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[06:20] <knightwi1e> exit
[06:53] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:00] <knightwise> mornin
[07:12] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[07:39] <diplo> Morning all
[07:41] <brobostigon> morning diplo
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[08:17] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy World Environment Day! :-D
[08:20] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/NBl5iQq.jpg morning
[08:35] <directhex> mungbean, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8VTeDHjcM
[08:40] <diplo> heh directhex, first time I've seen that :)
[08:46] <JamesTait> directhex, mungbean, thank you so much for implanting that song in my brain so early in the day.
[08:47] <directhex> JamesTait,  i can fix that
[08:47] <JamesTait> I'd just about got rid of it from the last time my boys played it 87 times in a row.
[08:47] <directhex> JamesTait, here, i can get rid of joel vitch for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM05acZeYlM
[08:47] <directhex> er, wait
[08:47] <directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfeyUGZt8nk
[08:48]  * JamesTait prepared to be rickrolled
[08:49] <JamesTait> directhex, catchy.
[09:03] <mungbean> !info nitro
[09:03] <lubotu3> Package nitro does not exist in quantal
[09:03] <mungbean> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/nitro/
[09:03] <mungbean> confused
[09:06] <mungbean> does anyone have nitro in their repos?
[09:06]  * BigRedS doesn't
[09:07] <mungbean> been taken away?
[09:08] <diplo> nitro ide ?
[09:08] <diplo> ah, sorry confused with ninja :)
[09:09] <directhex> ubuntu app store != main repos
[09:16] <BigRedS> Oh yeah
[09:21] <mungbean> more confused
[09:21] <mungbean> i have multiverse, universe etc
[09:22] <BigRedS> yeah, but the Software-Centre also uses sources outside of apt's sources.list*
[09:22] <mungbean> have installed it from another location now. they don't appear to sync :*(
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[09:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:00] <davmor2> popey: anyone been seasick yet I mean Daviey was driving :)
[10:01] <dwatkins> I guess I should upgrade my server from Natty, assuming it's still even possible... 11.04 being unsupported now.
[10:04] <diplo> dwatkins: Funnily enough, I did that same thing on Monday night, Natty -> Oneric -> Precise
[10:04] <diplo> Worked fine, took a fair few hours though
[10:04] <dwatkins> groovy, thanks diplo
[10:04] <diplo> Needed some python packages, totally forgot it had gone EOL :/
[10:06] <diplo> It recommends doing it on the console, but mines headless and had no cables/screens spare at the time, worked perfectly fine over ssh but you will get warnings :)
[10:06] <dwatkins> I have open-nx installed, so in theory I can do it from 4.5 miles away...
[10:07] <dwatkins> ...in practise, knowing my luck, it'll fail and I'll have to fix it this evening ;)
[10:08] <mungbean> anyone else use nitro?
[10:08] <mungbean> clearly not syncing between my machines
[10:08] <diplo> Never seen or heard of it mungbean I'm afraid
[10:09] <diplo> Tasks management ?
[10:09] <dwatkins> http://nitrotasks.com/ I assume
[10:09] <diplo> Looks quite ggood
[10:09] <mungbean> similar to lightread - looks good, major bugs
[10:11] <dwatkins> !info lightread
[10:11] <lubotu3> Package lightread does not exist in quantal
[10:12] <diplo> Wasn't that part of the design app thing they did 6+ months ago
[10:21] <dwatkins> oops, I seem to have broken my sources.list
[10:22]  * dwatkins tries the one from the ISO
[10:23] <mungbean> my sources list broke too
[10:24] <mungbean> i hate having to install apps from ppa or weird places
[10:24] <mungbean> seems rather windowsish
[10:24] <dwatkins> hopefully loopback mounting the 11.04 ISO will allow me to copy the one from there any use it
[10:25] <diplo> No backups?!?!?! :D
[10:25] <mungbean> lightread is due to break any day soon unless somebody mimics the google reader feed
[10:26] <diplo> Got a month yet haven't you? July 14th i think
[10:27] <diplo> Really must back my list up at some point
[10:30] <mungbean> i don't think they will fix lightread
[10:30] <mungbean> so somebody needs to fix the api
[10:31] <mungbean> https://answers.launchpad.net/lightread/+question/224381
[10:32] <mungbean> there's potential for someone to fix lightread to sync feeds via u1
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[10:58] <dwatkins> hmmm, this upgrade is going to remove freenx, which is what I'm using to connect to the server...
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[11:04] <diplo> Before you've started ?
[11:04] <diplo> Or is it currently upgrading
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[11:21] <Seeker`> popey: where are you boating to?
[11:24] <DJones> Seeker`: I'm waiting for him to come and visit my locker :)
[11:26] <Seeker`> DJones: your locker?
[11:26] <DJones> Davy Jones's locker
[11:26] <DJones> Sunken ships etc
[11:26] <Seeker`> ah :P
[11:27] <Seeker`> I was wondering how far down the GUC he was planning on travelling
[11:27] <shauno> not sure they do davie jones locker on riverboats.  surely if you sink, you just stand there up to your waist looking rather embarassed
[11:28] <DJones> I have to say I'm jealous of him going on a norrow boat cruise, I'd love to, but my wife gets seasick on a airbed on dry land
[11:30] <Seeker`> mmmmlunchtime
[11:33] <Seeker`> i can see the canal they are on from my office window
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[11:49]  * dwatkins restarts the upgrade on the console with x11vnc
[11:57] <davmor2> Seeker`: Get ready to water bomb popey then :D
[11:58] <diplo> dwatkins: Why not just ssh ?
[11:58] <BigRedS> We had a brief go at pirate-style boarding on a canalboat a little while ago
[12:00] <dwatkins> diplo: I guess I'm used to doing the dist upgrade via the GUI - do you still just replace the name of the distro in sources.list to upgrade to the next one?
[12:01] <diplo> All I did as root was do-release-upgrade
[12:01] <diplo> That's it
[12:01] <dwatkins> aha groovy thanks
[12:01] <dwatkins> now I've fixed the sources.list that should work
[12:01] <diplo> :p
[12:06] <BigRedS> dwatkins: just changign the release name was "dangerous" several releases ago, and back then I was warned that it was only going to get worse
[12:09] <awilkins> The thing that annoyed me most recently was changing my login name
[12:09] <awilkins> The number of programs that store an absolute path to your home folder, in your home folder, is annoying
[12:13] <diplo> Not had to change my login name ?
[12:31] <mungbean> just had the most satisfying luinchtime snooze outside at work
[12:40] <Seeker`> davmor2: why do you think I'm trying to find out where he is going to end up? :P
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[12:41] <MooDoo> hello davmor2 :)
[12:41] <MooDoo> mungbean: :p
[12:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka
[12:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: ow am ya!
[12:43] <^aDaM> Hi :)
[12:43] <awilkins> diplo, No, you don't have to
[12:43] <awilkins> diplo, I had to change mine because I changed my work one for consistency with my work login
[12:44] <awilkins> Then all my bind mounts were wrong so I had to change my home one too
[12:44] <diplo> :/
[12:44] <davmor2> MooDoo: good ta you?
[12:44] <awilkins> To do with my peculiar work habits of bind mounting eclipse workspaces on an external drive
[12:45] <^aDaM> You guys know if you can have 2 ISP's in one house hold? I am currently with one Provider at the moment in my bedroom! we have phoneline sockets in each room of our house its a quite big 17 rooms in total so alot of wires behind the walls :D also My sister wants her own connection in her room with her own router on a different ISP! would it would if we were to just plug our branded routers
[12:45] <^aDaM> in ? I use BT on a NetGear DGN2000 she uses Sky BB on a SkyBB Hub Router,
[12:45] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah ok thanks, just reading up on goobuntu while on lunch lol how exciting ;)
[12:45] <^aDaM> Could we run via the same line? they activate on the 18th SKY, and I currently have BT now running.
[12:45] <^aDaM> We have 2 phone numbers also now lol!
[12:46] <directhex> ^aDaM, you can have one ISP per physical phone line
[12:47] <^aDaM> mmm
[12:47] <^aDaM> So what will happen?? I use my BT with my router!
[12:47] <^aDaM> she will be soon connecting hers via Skys line.. on 18th.
[12:48] <directhex> ^aDaM, depends on which phone line/number she activated that on
[12:48] <directhex> if she picked the same phone number as yours, you get disconnected on the 18th
[12:48] <directhex> and probably charged a disconnection fee
[12:48] <^aDaM> hehe
[12:48] <^aDaM> Well good job we got 2 numbers woooo
[12:48] <^aDaM> :D
[12:48] <^aDaM> But same sockets? be ok yes?
[12:48] <awilkins> Not if they're on the same line
[12:48] <^aDaM> mmmmm
[12:49] <directhex> every phone line has a master socket, then any number of spurs from it
[12:49] <^aDaM> damn
[12:49] <awilkins> If you want separate ADSL accounts, you need 2 lines, and 2 separate phone circuits
[12:49] <^aDaM> that sucks
[12:49] <^aDaM> its all one circuit!
[12:49] <^aDaM> would Sky do this ??
[12:49] <directhex> yeah, that won't fly
[12:49] <awilkins> Why does your sister want a different ISP?
[12:49] <^aDaM> I use mine for only gaming etc.. an this one comes with our sky package!
[12:49] <mungbean> just get a fibre connection
[12:49] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[12:50] <awilkins> Hahahah
[12:50] <directhex> directhex> ^aDaM, you can have one ISP per physical phone line
[12:50] <awilkins> Fibre
[12:50] <^aDaM> haha yeah in the country sides :O
[12:50] <mungbean> which country?
[12:50] <awilkins> No cable then I take it
[12:50] <^aDaM> no
[12:50] <^aDaM> england :p
[12:50] <directhex> it's gotta be a distinct phone line per isp, i.e. you need two cables coming into the wall to two different master sockets
[12:50] <^aDaM> damnn its all rigged
[12:50] <^aDaM> already :/
[12:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: man you know how to live the high life ;)
[12:51] <^aDaM> from when we moved in.. theres an old ISDN box up in my sisters room but not in use ...
[12:51] <mungbean> can you run QoS on your line with a decent router
[12:51] <^aDaM> mmm
[12:51] <directhex> you're getting disconnected on the 18th then. and will be charged by BT if you haven't used your 18 month minimum contract
[12:51] <^aDaM> wtf
[12:51] <^aDaM> that sucks
[12:51] <mungbean> small print dude
[12:52] <^aDaM> we have money
[12:52] <^aDaM> LMAO
[12:52] <^aDaM> wtf they playing at
[12:52] <^aDaM> I was told if you can pay for 2 ISPs then it will work..
[12:52] <^aDaM> but how do I find my master socket??
[12:52] <^aDaM> how do I go about having it SPLIT!
[12:52] <directhex> ^aDaM, you said you have two phone numbers. do those numbers go to different sockets?
[12:52] <^aDaM> im not sure
[12:52] <^aDaM> my sisters a dick head!
[12:52] <^aDaM> lol
[12:52] <^aDaM> Mind my french.
[12:52] <mungbean> u sound like my nephew
[12:53] <^aDaM> :)
[12:53] <^aDaM> thanks.
[12:53] <directhex> ^aDaM, splitters are incompatible with DSL. however, most *new* build homes have two lines installed (but only one actually wired in), just in case - i.e. a main one and a spare in case the main one breaks. you might be lucky and it might be the case that you have two lines
[12:53] <^aDaM> Well, we have lots of sockets here at the moment my line is activate with BT
[12:53]  * awilkins curses his work-issue Windows laptop, for it cannot do three things at once.. (the three things are : developing Java, running a small VM server, and the third is "Whatever task ICT decided to run that makes the disk thrash and the CPU burn")
[12:54] <^aDaM> Well directhex: When I connect a Sky BB router or an old Talktalk one..
[12:54] <^aDaM> it drops my Netgear in my room
[12:54] <directhex> ^aDaM, it's a pain in the ass, but here's what you do - get the cheapest corded phone you can, and test every socket in the house - plug in the phone, ring your mobile, see which number comes up on caller display. if they all have the same number, they're all on the same circuit and are all part of the same single DSL circuit
[12:54] <^aDaM> If I connect another router in my house hold
[12:54] <^aDaM> drops my room one :(
[12:55] <^aDaM> damnn
[12:55] <directhex> ^aDaM, you can only have one adsl connection her phone line. did i mention that yet?
[12:55] <^aDaM> I have no phone but I must try this :/
[12:55] <^aDaM> yes you did!
[12:55] <^aDaM> should I try this with a router instead of a corded phone :/
[12:55] <^aDaM> ?
[12:56] <directhex> i think that'd be counterproductive. right now you're just trying to determine whether you have two phone lines or not
[12:56] <directhex> (chances are not)
[12:56] <awilkins> Yeah, most houses only have 1 line
[12:56] <^aDaM> Yup thats what im thinking..
[12:56] <awilkins> I wouldn't expect any different for a house in the sticls
[12:56] <awilkins> sticks
[12:56] <directhex> what you need, if you have a large property to serve, is a single ADSL connection, a wired network through the house, and multiple wireless access points connected to it
[12:56] <awilkins> ^^ what he said
[12:56] <directhex> which would give internet coverage throughout the property with a single phone line
[12:57] <directhex> if you need a second line and don't have one... you're talking about digging up the road between you and the cabinet
[12:57] <awilkins> Or running another line from the pole
[12:57] <directhex> yes, if your line is above ground
[12:57] <directhex> (mine isn't)
[12:57] <^aDaM> shit!
[12:57] <^aDaM> Mine is ..
[12:57] <^aDaM> I got a pole! :)
[12:57] <awilkins> My parents got stuck with one of those analog compression splitters on theirs
[12:57] <^aDaM> could they put line into my sisters room? SKY?
[12:58] <^aDaM> Engineer comes out soon but thats  BT job right?
[12:58] <^aDaM> not SKY Engineers.
[12:58] <awilkins> Sky is all delivered over BT infrastructure
[12:58] <diplo> I guess you need to also decide what you're trying to acheive by having 2 lines ? Is it because she/you uses all the bandwith ?
[12:58] <^aDaM> Fee's are free they said? activation etc..
[12:58] <^aDaM> yes diddledan
[12:58] <^aDaM> yes diplo
[12:58] <^aDaM> sorry diddledan
[12:58] <directhex> awilkins, DACS
[12:58] <^aDaM> I use it for online games etc...
[12:58] <awilkins> directhex, Yeah, those things that totally murdered old analog modems
[12:58] <^aDaM> she lags me :(
[12:59] <awilkins> She downloads lots of movies, right?
[12:59] <^aDaM> she sucks man so im getting disconnected hahahahahha
[12:59] <awilkins> Shop her to the MPAA and problem solved
[12:59] <directhex> ^aDaM, correct, laying the line like that is done by a BT Openreach engineer. then sky basically buys the right to use the final piece of the wire from the cabinet to her room
[12:59] <^aDaM> awilkins she browses etc.. . but my house is HUGEE
[12:59] <^aDaM> directhex so could I get them to fit a septret line ? for free :D
[13:00] <awilkins> "Local loop unbundling" is the technical term - BT owning the local loop, renting it to Sky, who charge you for it
[13:00] <awilkins> No way are you getting a 2nd line for gratis
[13:00] <directhex> ^aDaM, for free? no. at least £120 for a second line fitting, iirc
[13:00] <^aDaM> I need to get her to phone them but shes a mong she will just turn round and say to me now it wont do anything it will work both of our connections lol.#
[13:00] <mungbean> where in the coutnry are yo?
[13:00] <directhex> ^aDaM, (assuming it's even doable, where you are)
[13:01] <^aDaM> I am in Congleton
[13:01] <^aDaM> Next to a FARM :p
[13:01] <^aDaM> next door are sheep and cows!
[13:01] <mungbean> if she's just browsing it should be OK to share your line or get a 3g dongle
[13:01] <^aDaM> im paying the 120£ then.
[13:01] <mungbean> unless she is youtubing all the day
[13:01] <^aDaM> nar...
[13:01] <^aDaM> sod that!
[13:01] <awilkins> Just "browsing" shouldn't lag games too much
[13:01] <awilkins> It's big fat streams that will cause the problems
[13:02] <^aDaM> does with the connection speed 5meg
[13:02] <^aDaM> lol an a up of .36
[13:02] <^aDaM> 0.36 meg
[13:02] <^aDaM> !
[13:02] <directhex> it's rural dsl, it may be pretty marginal speed as-is
[13:02] <directhex> yeah, a bit slower than my infinity line
[13:02] <^aDaM> damn
[13:02] <directhex> that's why i wouldn't want to live in the countryside ;)
[13:02] <^aDaM> :O
[13:02] <mungbean> as i said, can't you QoS the line
[13:02] <mungbean> with openwrt
[13:02]  * awilkins sighs and recalls the days when getting 48Kbit/s was pretty awesome
[13:03] <^aDaM> lol awilkins on Duke 3d? abd doom and quake :P
[13:03] <^aDaM> mungbeanwhats that ??
[13:03] <^aDaM> Im not familer with QoS
[13:03] <awilkins> Quality of Service
[13:03] <^aDaM> I know it stands for "Quality of Service"?
[13:03] <^aDaM> yes :)
[13:03] <awilkins> "Make these packets go fast, make these stupid web packets wait their turn"
[13:03] <directhex> ^aDaM, a high-end router might be capable of setting importance on the traffic, basically prioritizing which data packets go first.
[13:03] <mungbean> cap her bandwidth or guarantee particular bandwidtch for a particular user or SSID
[13:04] <^aDaM> hows that going to work? she cant get wireless
[13:04] <^aDaM> off a Sky home hub lol an we with BT to
[13:04] <^aDaM> this sucks! an also
[13:04] <^aDaM> we moved an have talktalk at old address
[13:04] <^aDaM> hahahah
[13:04] <^aDaM> so in 3 isp contracts at the moment
[13:04] <directhex> ^aDaM, phone 0800 800 150 to talk second lines.
[13:05] <mungbean> who is buying all these lines?
[13:05] <^aDaM> directhex ok..
[13:05] <^aDaM> mungbean my sis
[13:05] <^aDaM> :/
[13:05] <mungbean> is she tulisa?
[13:05] <^aDaM> hahaha well no
[13:05] <^aDaM> but close
[13:05] <directhex> ^aDaM, this is why your property would benefit from a wired network - you can have network connectivity anywhere in the house with a network port installed, and one thing you can plug into those network ports is a wireless access point, which extends your wireless range
[13:05] <^aDaM> shes greek.... well we GREEK yeah!
[13:05] <directhex> all fed by a single router
[13:06] <mungbean> you can do that over power lines too
[13:06] <awilkins> Powerline networking may be an option if you don't want to run cable
[13:06] <^aDaM> mmm yes but...
[13:06] <^aDaM> wires? :o
[13:06] <^aDaM> ah ok awilkins
[13:06] <^aDaM> and mungbean thanks.
[13:06] <directhex> hm, yeah, powerline might work if your house's wiring is in decent nick
[13:06] <^aDaM> It's all new directhex.
[13:07] <^aDaM> So I puresume the phne lines are also.
[13:07] <awilkins> I just have a single 100M cat-5 cable which I dangle down the stairs if I need high bandwidth
[13:07] <awilkins> (only on special occasions)
[13:07] <^aDaM> :o
[13:07] <mungbean> thats what i do for printing
[13:07] <mungbean> run my ethernet cable 10m into the wired router
[13:07] <^aDaM> I used to but...
[13:07] <^aDaM> those days are gone lol! people moan in my house.
[13:07] <mungbean> from the rpinter
[13:07] <^aDaM> mum etc..
[13:07] <awilkins> New builds should just have a bloody RJ-45 port in every room terminating in the broom cupboard...
[13:08] <directhex> agreed
[13:08] <mungbean> finland had whole streets wired up since the 90s
[13:08] <^aDaM> yeah :(
[13:08] <mungbean> free intenet too i recall
[13:08] <^aDaM> sucks man I dont know what to do now.. lol.
[13:08] <mungbean> try the powerline thing
[13:08] <mungbean> and stop buying so many ISP contracts :P
[13:08] <^aDaM> took me weeks to get em to connect me BT :(
[13:08] <^aDaM> haha mungbean
[13:08] <directhex> ^aDaM, try to get the facts first, that's a start
[13:08] <^aDaM> yeah.
[13:08] <diplo> awilkins: Isn't that a requirement in new builds now from something I read recently ?
[13:08] <directhex> ^aDaM, work out what this "2 numbers" thing you mentioned really means
[13:08] <awilkins> diplo, No idea
[13:09]  * diplo goes on a search
[13:09] <directhex> ^aDaM, and go from there
[13:09] <^aDaM> directhex lol
[13:09] <^aDaM> I want 5 !
[13:09] <^aDaM> That poss?
[13:09] <^aDaM> :p
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[13:10] <directhex> ^aDaM, 5 phone numbers? sure. either use VOIP (i.e. phone numbers which connect to your house over the net), or get five phone lines installed at £140 each (plus monthly line rental)
[13:10] <^aDaM> lol
[13:10] <^aDaM> :O
[13:10] <directhex> or connect your main phone number to a basic in-home switchboard, so everyone has an extension
[13:12] <diplo> Asterix is on my list of todos
[13:13] <^aDaM> FFS
[13:13] <^aDaM> I cant get a word in man!
[13:13] <^aDaM> I told her... listen you cant have 2 lines she said we do I sorted it with Sky... they did it. lol?
[13:13] <dwatkins> it's IRC, you just type.
[13:13] <dwatkins> oh sorry
[13:14] <dwatkins> ^aDaM: why so many?
[13:14] <^aDaM> She said that we have 2 phone numbers.. I said yes buttt you cant have 2 ADSL connections on same line.
[13:14] <^aDaM> She said can I connect to yur internet then I said no you know why! lol.
[13:14] <^aDaM> Thats why we have dwatkinsI want my own internet!! so I can turn wireless off ... my gf browses on the wireless in my room off her S3 phone! an it lags mee on games.
[13:15] <directhex> ^aDaM, sky could have contracted BT Openreach to add a second line. have you seen any engineers lately? if you go outside your house & look at the pole, do you see more than one wire entering your property?
[13:15] <^aDaM> yes one is coming on 18th to my property!
[13:15] <dwatkins> ^aDaM: use an access point which supports multiple SSIDs
[13:15] <^aDaM> Let me see that one directhex I will look.
[13:15] <mungbean> so you play games while your gf is round :P
[13:15] <dwatkins> also, browsing the internet on a phone affecting gameplay, I find unlikely, unless she's doing some serious downloading, or your internet connection is slow to begin with
[13:15] <^aDaM> dwatkins I dont want to do all this mate... I want to be plug an play!
[13:15] <mungbean> she is a patient one
[13:16] <dwatkins> ^aDaM: yeah, setup a guest network with QoS
[13:16] <directhex> dwatkins, we determined it's a super slow line already
[13:16] <^aDaM> dwatkins it is slow to begin with mate.
[13:16] <dwatkins> ah ok
[13:16] <dwatkins> QoS, end of :)
[13:16] <^aDaM> :)
[13:16] <^aDaM> Thank you! 2 ADSL phonelines it IS!
[13:16] <^aDaM> You lot like ma SISTER :P
[13:16] <dwatkins> o.O
[13:17] <^aDaM> Joking <3
[13:17]  * dwatkins gives up and goes to do something less boring instead
[13:17] <^aDaM> Great help.... she aint!
[13:17] <^aDaM> someone took it seriously HEHE
[13:18] <directhex> ^aDaM, there are BT Openreach engineers, and Sky engineers. Openreach engineers lay the physical cabling, Sky engineers provide the router, do any configuration nonsense that's needed. these typically don't happen on the same day
[13:18] <^aDaM> Well they activate the line on 18th with our new number provided! and they send engineer out for the TV
[13:18] <^aDaM> as we have done a home move with SKY
[13:19] <^aDaM> and we have BB with them.
[13:19] <^aDaM> fitting dishes etc...
[13:19] <dwatkins> Quality of Service is designed to guarantee certain types of traffic over a slow line, it's quite literally designed to solve your problem, ^aDaM
[13:19] <^aDaM> need to look for this second cable coiming in my house
[13:20] <^aDaM> dwatkins yes but how would I do this? QoS on what? my PC or Router? her end or mine? its confusing my head explodes. I can only handle oline games now.... everything else I just cant keep up anymore.
[13:20] <dwatkins> ^aDaM: it's something you configure on the router, look it up.
[13:20] <mungbean> what is your latency atm?
[13:20] <^aDaM> Ping ? like :/
[13:20] <mungbean> yah
[13:21] <mungbean> speedtest.net
[13:21] <^aDaM> 40s
[13:21] <mungbean> and your game stats
[13:21] <^aDaM> same
[13:21] <^aDaM> MS
[13:21] <mungbean> 40ms
[13:21] <^aDaM> yeah
[13:21] <dwatkins> haha, no wonder it's slow
[13:21] <^aDaM> 40+ sometimes depneds.
[13:21] <^aDaM> yeah!
[13:21] <mungbean> 40 could get me to the states
[13:21] <^aDaM> well it does me for here !
[13:21] <^aDaM> this is why I dont want her on it .
[13:21] <mungbean> with 17 rooms i'd set up my own server and get my mates to move intot he house
[13:21] <^aDaM> an when she does get her net an happy days I get cut off.
[13:22] <^aDaM> lol mungbean
[13:22] <^aDaM> yeah I wanted to do that.. build servers in the basement.
[13:22] <^aDaM> could I set something up? then connect my routers to the servers :/
[13:22] <^aDaM> mmm its all alot of money to an hardword.
[13:22] <^aDaM> hardwork*
[13:22] <directhex> mmm, basements seem like a good place for servers, until the heavy rainfall leads to flooding
[13:23] <^aDaM> mmmm its coldish down there soon to have underfloor heating!
[13:23] <^aDaM> but... its all new.
[13:23] <^aDaM> internet ports, etc..
[13:23] <^aDaM> well phonesocket!
[13:24] <^aDaM> theres a perfect server room down there all the space :(
[13:24] <directhex> why would anyone install so many phone sockets, and no wired networking, in new build? it's bizarre imho :/
[13:24] <^aDaM> yeah I know its a joke! the guy who did the build is a farmer!!
[13:24] <^aDaM> he owns the house an lives up the road.
[13:25] <mungbean> explains it all
[13:25] <^aDaM> and the person used to work from home here
[13:25] <^aDaM> in this house.
[13:25] <^aDaM> a tatent.
[13:25] <directhex> http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Farmer/ ?
[13:25] <mungbean> probably installed a sheepflap
[13:26] <mungbean> anyone in here use stata ?
[13:28] <directhex> not for about 3 years
[13:28] <^aDaM> lol
[13:29] <mungbean> documentation for sysadmins seems a bit weak
[13:29] <mungbean> wanted to update it using the in-app update facility
[13:29] <mungbean> doesn't seem to back it up, and looks like i'll need to change permissions
[13:30] <directhex> backing up is a separate command iirc
[13:30] <mungbean> might be different now in v12
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[13:42] <shauno> good fun trying to diagnose insane latency, when the customer neglects to tell you the endpoint is a cruise ship :/
[13:43] <mungbean> wonder what latency the ISS has
[13:43] <awilkins> shauno, He, reminds me of the time our CTO set our fax server downloading the nose webcam shots from a Norwegian cruise liner
[13:43] <mgdm_> shauno: oh ffs
[13:43] <awilkins> shauno, Our fax server died from lack of disk space 8 months later
[13:43] <mgdm_> awilkins: eh?
[13:44] <awilkins> mgdm_, He was going on holiday on the thing
[13:44] <awilkins> Had the fax server download it's webcam periodically
[13:44] <awilkins> Forgot to turn it off
[13:44] <mungbean> thats why bosses shouldn't touch servers
[13:45] <shauno> just fun when they miss major details.  we're expecting a lan, they're providing a vpn across inmarsat.  talk about timeouts
[13:45] <awilkins> Oopsie.
[13:45] <awilkins> What's the application if I may ask?
[13:46] <shauno> hardware monitoring
[13:47] <shauno> but the controller is a bit panicky when it can't reach children.  it's designed for datacenter applications, so it doesn't expect links to be that slow/volataile
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[14:18] <aDaM^desky> directhex happy days Sky have refered to BT enginers to fit a hole new line for my sisters room and free of charge.
[14:18] <aDaM^desky> So I stay connected! and without any lag or bandwidth issues.
[14:19] <aDaM^desky> the sky+ box in my room, sky hd in hers + skyBB for £40 a month an all fee's are free and egineering.
[14:19] <aDaM^desky> and I pay for BT £15 a month :) do me.. 2 bb connections + TV boxes an 2 phone numbers £55 a month!
[14:19] <aDaM^desky> cant complain.
[14:24] <n1ggerproxy> Hi Friends
[14:24] <n1ggerproxy> How are ya
[14:25] <directhex> !ops
[14:25] <lubotu3> Help!  dgjones, Myrtti, Mez, AlanBell, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N
[14:25] <directhex> let's save some time.
[14:25] <n1ggerproxy> ah ok
[14:25] <Myrtti> can you just stop?
[14:25] <Myrtti> that would save even more time
[14:26] <n1ggerproxy> yes
[14:26] <n1ggerproxy> i can
[14:26] <Myrtti> change your nick and be civil
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[14:26] <civilN> there you sweetheart, only for you :)
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[14:31] <xplora1a> Oggcamp 13 announced http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/liverpool/2013-June/004238.html
[14:31] <mungbean> the url doesn't bode well..
[14:31] <mungbean> nope..
[14:31] <mgdm_> \o/
[14:32] <mgdm_> I can probably make it
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[14:32] <mungbean> too northern
[14:32] <xplora1a> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/liverpool/2013-June/004238.html
[14:32] <bigcalm> The weekend before my wedding. Cutting it fine
[14:33] <mungbean> lolz
[14:33] <mungbean> my anniversary is 29th
[14:33] <mungbean> get an extra hour in bed that weekend..always welcome
[14:34] <mungbean> could do a stag do at the same time as oggcramp though
[14:34] <mgdm> oggcramp doesn't sound like fun
[14:34] <bigcalm> Considering several key people are involved in both, I would have raised an eye brow if the date for oggcamp was the same as my wedding
[14:35] <mgdm> heh
[14:35] <bigcalm> I guess it would be one way of saying you're not going
[14:35] <bigcalm> Given the choice of the two, I think I'd choose oggcamp as well
[14:38] <bigcalm> :O
[14:39] <mungbean> has anyone played "tiny and big in grandpa's leftovers?"
[14:39] <bigcalm> What on earth is that?
[14:39] <mungbean> HIB8
[14:39] <mungbean> one of the games
[14:39] <bigcalm> Oh, one of the extra games?
[14:40] <mungbean> wasn't gonna buy the bundle but looks good
[14:42]  * bigcalm grabs the extra steam keys
[14:45] <awilkins> Doesn't give up, does it
[14:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: you back home now?
[14:50] <bigcalm> davmor2: I am indeed
[14:50] <davmor2> nice trip?
[14:50] <bigcalm> davmor2: got back yesterday evening. Aye was grand
[14:53] <bigcalm> Did you miss me?
[14:53] <mungbean> irc has been quiet
[14:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: no not really :D
[14:54] <bigcalm> Phew
[14:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: No I just didn't want to bug you if you were still away :)
[14:55] <christel> why on earth not?
[14:56]  * bigcalm bugs christel hello
[14:56] <christel> hullu you :)
[14:56] <Seeker`> oh no! not christel!
[14:57] <Seeker`> :P
[14:57] <mgdm> fleeeeeeeeee
[14:58] <davmor2> christel: because if you start him off on computers he'll go to work and his MRS to be would kill him
[14:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: ^ deny it if you can but we both know it's true :D
[14:59] <bigcalm> davmor2: as I had taken my laptop with me, I managed to do some work while Hayley took a shower on Saturday
[15:00] <davmor2> christel: see what I mean, bigcalm can't help himself.
[15:01] <bigcalm> davmor2: it did mean I was able to relax for 4 days
[15:01] <Azelphur> lol, I just don't let people stop me on computers, simple answer :P
[15:01] <Azelphur> I generally carry my laptop, tablet and phone with me at all times
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[15:31] <mungbean> you can buy humble bundle with bitcoin now
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[15:42] <mungbean> wish there was an easier way to redeem 10+ games at once
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[16:29]  * bigcalm sponsors christel with hugs
[16:29] <christel> mmmhugs
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[17:26] <awilkins> What kind of idiot DDoSes an IRC network anyway? They have a beef with people who talk about free software?
[17:26] <christel> apparently so!
[17:26] <DJones> Nope, they have a beef with their own lack of brain cells
[17:26] <awilkins> "Oh noes, those guys might, like... make the software better. And people might use it to realize personal value."
[17:27] <awilkins> Sponsored by Microsoft, obviously (comment in no way represents views of anyone, ever)
[17:27]  * DJones kicks awilkins 
[17:28] <DJones> At times like this, I begin to think freenode could do with a 'big red button' that stops all unregistered nicks from reconnecting
[17:28] <awilkins> There was this machine that kept joining, flooding and quitting earlier, would that have been part of it
[17:29] <awilkins> I aimed my browser at it, just looked like a vanilla Apache server with no content in it, seemed to be owned by someone who works for a cloud hosting provider
[17:29] <DJones> possibly, or could just have been an annoying troll
[17:29] <DJones> or a dodgy connection
[17:30] <awilkins> Was mule.andatche.com
[17:30] <awilkins> The root domain is owned by someone who is a sysadmin at Brightbox
[17:31] <awilkins> From his front page he's not a troll
[17:31] <awilkins> He likes Minecraft _and_ Debian
[17:31] <directhex> awilkins, it's about hitting the biggest targets & causing the most mischief
[17:31] <awilkins> Bah, bragging rights
[17:32] <awilkins> Used to be about who could push the most polygons on an Amiga
[17:33] <DJones> Well andatche is a regular nick in here
[17:33] <andatche> sorry, isp was having some routing issues earlier
[17:33] <awilkins> Aha
[17:33] <andatche> killed by bouncer once I'd noticed
[17:34] <andatche> a route was flapping, causing intermittent reachability
[18:34] <SuperMatt> huh, I didn't know cinnamon is available in Raring by default
[18:34] <SuperMatt> and nemo
[18:34] <SuperMatt> well I never
[18:35] <Laney> the archive is a loving place
[18:35] <SuperMatt> I guess I should have realised it would be there
[18:36] <SuperMatt> but I'd always just gone straight to the ppa
[18:37] <SuperMatt> it's another nail in the coffin for all those idiots that spout "ubuntu doesn't give users a choice of desktop"
[19:39] <diddledan> how do I find out about the relevant IRC-services I can use on here? (I've forgotten them all excepting nick and chanserv)
[19:42] <slvr> diddledan: http://freenode.net/services.shtml
[19:42] <diddledan> tas
[19:42] <diddledan> ta**
[19:45] <Myrtti> nick chan and alis are the most common
[19:49] <diddledan> ok, the answer I was looking for is on a different page on the freenode.net site. I was wondering about cloaks and whether they're easily settable by the end-user
[19:52] <Myrtti> no.
[19:53] <Myrtti> there it's no automation for It
[19:54] <mgdm> whihc is deliberate, I believe
[19:54] <Myrtti> and their primary use is to display affiliation to a project
[19:55] <Myrtti> and so most of them need to be requested from the contact of the project in question
[19:55] <Myrtti> the feared human contact etc
[19:56] <diddledan> I see, that makes sense
[19:56] <Myrtti> for complete privacy it's recommended to use tor
[19:56] <Azelphur> I'm pondering the idea of switching my server from Ubuntu to Debian, wondering if anyone has any suggestions on good/bad effects I might run into
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> it's mostly the same
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> except Debian is a bit behind in some cases
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> (byobu comes to midn)
[19:57] <Myrtti> unaffiliated cloaks can be requested in #freenode or from a member of the staff
[19:57] <Azelphur> yea, never used byobu, and it seems like debian testing has more recent packages
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: yeah but then you're upgrading every 5 minutes
[19:57] <Azelphur> and dist-upgrades keep breaking things on Ubuntu :P
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Ubuntu LTS++
[19:58] <Myrtti> mind you I'm already in bed so preferably don't ask me anymore tonight
[19:58] <diddledan> bed ftw!
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> bed! good idea!
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti++
[19:59] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: *shrug* there's lots of end user facing stuff I have that it would be nicer to have more frequent releases on (znc, jenkins, that sort of thing)
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[21:23]  * dwatkins_ upgrades to precise
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[22:02] <sebsebseb> hi
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