[05:53] <barrydk> Good morning
[05:56] <Kilos> morning all
[06:13] <Kilos> hi Superhuman mazal 
[06:16] <mazal> Hallo oom Kilos 
[06:28] <Superhuman> Morning Kilos
[06:28] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[06:34] <Vince-0> hi !
[06:56] <Kilos> winter sucks, outside taps all frozen
[06:59] <Vince-0> ow, it's nice and warm by die see
[07:07] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[07:07] <Kilos> yo Xethron 
[07:15] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[07:18] <charl_> good morning
[07:18] <charl_> hi Kilos
[07:18] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:18]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:18] <charl_> Kilos: how's it going today
[07:18] <Kilos> same ty and you
[07:18] <Kilos> very cold here
[07:18] <charl_> i'm good thanks
[07:19] <charl_> just haven't slept enough, i sit online in the evening and time just passes by :)
[07:19] <charl_> end up getting in bed too late
[07:19] <Kilos> hehe
[07:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[07:28] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[07:28] <Maaz> charl_: No problem
[07:37] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:37] <Kilos> oh again
[07:59] <Vince-0> yar, 
[08:00] <Kilos> how do i see the ip addy of a win7 pc connected with direct eth cable from ubntu
[08:01] <Kilos> i want to setup remmina
[08:03] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to find the ip address on a win7 pc
[08:03] <Maaz> Kilos: "How do I determine my computer's IP address? - Knowledge Base" http://kb.iu.edu/data/aapa.html :: "How to Find a Computer's IP Address in Windows 7" http://windows.about.com/od/networkconnect/a/How-To-Find-A-Computers-Ip-Address-In-Windows-7.htm :: "find your computer's IP address (Windows 7) - Windows - Microsoft" http://windows.microsoft.com/en-
[08:03] <Maaz> us/windows7/find-your-computers-ip-address :: "Find your computer's IP address - Windows - Microsof…
[08:07] <Kilos> ah got it
[08:15] <mazal> I would suggest ipconfig in cmd shell
[08:15] <mazal> Should be quickest
[08:18] <Kilos> ah ty mazal 
[08:20] <Superhuman> Best way: Download Ubuntu iso, burn iso, insert into CD drive, reboot and install Ubuntu. In CMD run: ifconfig.
[08:20] <mazal> lol
[08:21] <Kilos> no man im trying to learn how to remotely work on a 7 pc from my ubuntu
[08:22] <Superhuman> Kilos: Same instructions. It patches all Windows bugs and viruses.
[08:22] <Kilos> lol
[08:23] <Kilos> other peeps will cry if i kill their win os
[08:23] <Superhuman> I have no love for Windows...zero...zilch...
[08:24] <Superhuman> There are two uses for Windows CD: 1) Cup Holster. 2) Target Practise.
[08:25] <Kilos> me neither, but the customer is always right 
[08:25] <Kilos> and games
[08:25] <Superhuman> Get a console, better at gaming.
[08:25] <Kilos> they still the game kings
[08:25] <tonberry352_> puny console peasants!
[08:25] <Kilos> no man im not spending money
[08:26] <Kilos> hehe
[08:27] <Superhuman> I think the new Xbox and PS might make a dent in PC Gaming. BUT I think Steam for Linux will be the "next" thing.
[08:27] <mazal> Console rule
[08:27] <Superhuman> I've heard rumours amongst fellow console gamers, that steam might be coming to PS and Xbox.
[08:27] <Kilos> yip lets hope steam grows quickly
[08:28] <mazal> This whole activation and permanent logins and big downloads just to start a game on pc is terrible
[08:28] <Superhuman> agreed
[08:28] <mazal> Most games now needs 1 to 3 gig downloads just to start , that is WITH the original cd
[08:29] <Kilos> wow
[08:29] <mazal> And when inet down , game don't work
[08:29] <Superhuman> Plus, there is no minimum-requirements-checking when you buy a console game.
[08:29] <SilverCode> mazal: the next round of consoles will have the install and activation problem as PC's
[08:29] <mazal> Bad news that SilverCode 
[08:29] <mazal> I hate that stuff
[08:29] <mazal> Not everyone in the world have high speed uncapped stable lines
[08:30] <Superhuman> MS Xbox is changing that. They've heard LOADS of complaints about it.
[08:30] <mazal> Is one of the reasons I switched to console
[08:31] <mazal> I want to buy my game and play my game , whether there is inet or not
[08:31] <SilverCode> mazal: me too, and now with the news that the new XBox will require installs and an internet connection, I decided to go back to PC gaming. Especially now that Steam is on linux
[08:32] <mazal> Wonder if PS4 will have the same thing
[08:32] <SilverCode> it will have the installs (PS3 has them), don't know about the activation and always online stuff
[08:32] <SilverCode> the installs are a problem with BluRay
[08:33] <SilverCode> access speed is too slow on the discs, so you have to install
[08:33] <mazal> I have no problem with installs
[08:34] <mazal> Just the extra downloads and permanent online
[08:35] <mazal> I don't want to buy a game and then have to spend more money on a 3gig download and can only play when internet is working like pc is now
[08:36] <Kilos> that sucks
[08:37] <mazal> Kilos even lots of the game boxes has a warning now " Requires big data download to play "
[08:37] <Kilos> ouch
[08:41] <SilverCode> mazal: sadly we are headed for a future where you will only be able to download games. There will be no physical disc that you can purchase at a shop
[08:42] <charl_> apple has been moving into that direction already afaik
[08:43] <charl_> you either purchase a usb flash drive to, for example, install osx
[08:43] <charl_> the rest you purchase online
[08:49] <mazal> Good for Europe and USA. Not so good for us
[08:50] <Kilos> yay remmina works
[08:51] <Kilos> i just dunno what to do to the 7 pc
[08:51] <Kilos> dont say install ubuntu
[08:51] <Kilos> that drive dont want linux
[08:52] <mazal> What's wrong with it , apart from the obvious
[08:53] <Kilos> with ubuntu on it crashes within days
[08:53] <Kilos> linux is more sensitive to old/failing drives
[08:54] <Kilos> where win thinks its still in good nick
[08:55] <mazal> Ok but what is the current problem on Win that you are trying to fix ? Or are you just playing with it a bit
[08:56] <Kilos> just learning to use remmina
[08:56] <Kilos> win running fine
[08:57] <Kilos> im actually trying to get a linux tool that ian can use instead of teamviewer
[08:57] <Kilos> he has many clients that need help often
[08:57] <mazal> Ok , sound interesting
[08:58] <mazal> So it's like a linux app for stuff like vnc ?
[08:58] <Kilos> remmina is the remote desktop tool in ubuntu
[08:59] <Kilos> you just gotta know the ip and user name of the other pc
[08:59] <mazal> To what servers can it connect ?
[08:59] <mazal> Only remote desktop ?
[08:59] <mazal> Or can it connect to things like vnc server as well ?
[09:00] <Kilos> are you on ubuntu now?
[09:00] <Kilos> man remmina
[09:00] <Kilos> lotsa stuff i dont understand in it
[09:00] <mazal> k ta
[09:01] <Kilos> http://www.7tutorials.com/connecting-windows-remote-desktop-ubuntu
[09:01] <mazal> Mine crashes with "sorry ubuntu has experiemced an internal error" :-(
[09:02] <Kilos> when you do what?
[09:02] <charl_> i hate that client, i start rdesktop from the command line
[09:03] <charl_> always works perfectly for me, never have had issues
[09:03] <charl_> except with the new windows servers with the extra "protection" enabled
[09:03] <Kilos> i opened synaptic and installed all the remmina stuff
[09:07] <Kilos> remmina works here i see the whole 7 desktop but not the start button they use
[09:18] <Kilos> whew charl_ you gotta make a long command with rdesktop
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[09:20] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[09:27] <Kilos> wb inetpro_ with a tail
[09:28] <charl_> Kilos: not really, i usually do: rdesktop -xl -f hostname
[09:28] <charl_> -xl for high quality and -f for fullscreen
[09:29] <Superhuman> Kilos: Not seeing the start button, might mean your resolution is lower or exactly the same as the remote PCs. Try looking for a fullscreen option.
[09:30] <Kilos> ah ty Superhuman 
[09:30] <Kilos> ya charl_ its sorting the command i sukkel with
[09:30] <Kilos> oh my
[09:33] <Kilos> nope still dont see the start button
[09:33] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:44] <inetpro_> Kilos: .
[09:44] <inetpro> Kilos: damkie oom
[09:44] <Kilos> yw sir
[09:44] <inetpro> en goeie more
[09:44] <Kilos> cremora
[09:45]  * nlsthzn waves at all the za-nians
[09:45] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[09:45] <nlsthzn> how are you today uncle Kilos ?
[09:45] <Kilos> traitor
[09:45] <Kilos> same inna morn but not too bad atm ty nlsthzn 
[09:47] <nlsthzn> k... hope you feel much better soon then uncle Kilos !!
[09:47] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn 
[09:50] <Kilos> got it ty Superhuman 
[09:52] <Superhuman> np. Glad I could help!
[09:54] <Kilos> so thats full control as if i were actually on that pc
[09:54] <Kilos> remmina works well
[09:55] <Kilos> now wanna see if i can get clamav to scan it
[09:55] <Kilos> i think thats where most win peeps get their probs
[10:33] <mazal> Kilos,  I doubt you will be able to scan it from the ubuntu box with remote desktop. You need access to the drive. So something like sahring the win drive and then mounting it on ubuntu should work
[10:35] <Kilos> i see that peeps advice removing it from that pc and connecting it here with an adapter is the way to do it ty mazal
[10:35] <mazal> Ya that will work too
[10:36] <Kilos> just a hassle for ian with clients all over the country
[10:36] <Kilos> hehe
[10:36] <mazal> The best off course is if you build yourself a little work box , and open box with adapter for power and cable that you can just quickly plug hdd's in and out
[10:36] <Kilos> i dont get virii on windows because i dont go online with it
[10:37] <Kilos> ya you are right
[10:37] <Kilos> or carry external cases around
[10:38] <mazal> Or ubuntu on a stick that you frequently update the av on and boot with that
[10:38] <Kilos> yes and remastersys makes a fully operational dvd or your working system
[10:39] <mazal> That would be my personal favourite
[10:39] <Kilos> so its like having your pc with you on a dvd
[10:39] <mazal> Always been a remastersys fan
[10:42] <Kilos> but seriously mazal remmina is working here as if i was actually on that win pc
[10:45] <Kilos> got full control
[10:45] <Kilos> lotsa net splits today
[10:46]  * Squirm looks around
[10:46] <Kilos> yo Squirm 
[10:47] <Squirm> lo
[11:29] <mazal> Tried on 3 different ubuntu pc's , all remmina crashes with "sorry ubuntu experienced a critical error"
[11:30] <Kilos> wow
[11:30] <Kilos> no  error message in details or so?
[11:30] <mazal> nope
[11:30] <Kilos> do you have synaptic installed mazal 
[11:31] <Kilos> maybe your remmina isnt fully installed
[11:33] <mazal> Wait I saw something in details
[11:33] <mazal> Will paste now
[11:33] <Kilos> use slexy.org hey
[11:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: I had that if my language was set to something other than US English
[11:36] <mazal> Ag no I can't copy and paste out of the error report
[11:36] <mazal> It says something about keyboard layout
[11:36] <Kilos> eish
[11:36] <Kilos> ya go settings and choose US english
[11:36] <Kilos> not sa english
[11:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> or maybe it was keyboard
[11:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> but yeah, somethere in that direction :)
[11:37] <Kilos> hehe ty ThatGraemeGuy 
[11:37] <Kilos> i remember someone else had that prob before
[11:42] <mazal> Gotta remember now where that setting is again :P
[11:42] <Kilos> system settings
[11:42] <Kilos> keyboard
[11:43] <mazal> Old style desktop menu
[11:43] <Kilos> unity?
[11:43] <Kilos> or gnome2
[11:44] <mazal> At keyboard layout I only have English South-Africa
[11:44] <mazal> No other option
[11:44] <Kilos> thats the prob
[11:44] <Kilos> lemme see
[11:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> might have to change language to en-us before you can change keyboard to en-us
[11:45] <Kilos> keyboard layout
[11:45] <mazal> I added English (US) , but how do I make it the default ?
[11:46] <Kilos> close the settings and try 
[11:46] <mazal> Keep jumping back to sa
[11:46] <Kilos> or apply or ok or something
[11:46] <Kilos> ai!
[11:46] <mazal> Deleted sa and now there is only us. Gonna reboot and see
[11:46] <Kilos> sometimes one sees make default with a right click
[11:52] <Ray_> hi
[11:52] <Kilos> hi Ray_ 
[11:52] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[11:52] <Ray_> hi kilos .. i want to install ubuntu clean on a new PC ..where can i download it?
[11:52] <Kilos> sec
[11:53] <Ray_> k
[11:53] <Kilos> Maaz, google ubuntu iso download
[11:53] <Maaz> Kilos: "Download Ubuntu Desktop | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop :: "Download Ubuntu | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download :: "Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS (Precise Pangolin) - Ubuntu Releases" http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/ :: "Alternative downloads | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads :: "Ubuntu CD Image"
[11:53] <Maaz> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ :: "Download Ubuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) - Ubuntu Releases" http://releases.u…
[11:53] <Kilos> there you go
[11:53] <barrydk> Kilos, what port do you connect to?
[11:54] <Ray_> geez .. which is the best version? .. if i want to install from a boot disk?
[11:54] <Ray_> the CD image?
[11:54] <Kilos> Ray_, 12.04 is the long term support
[11:54] <Kilos> sec
[11:54] <Kilos> Maaz, google ubuntu 13.04 iso download
[11:54] <Maaz> Kilos: "Download Ubuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) - Ubuntu Releases" http://releases.ubuntu.com/raring/ :: "Download Ubuntu Desktop | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop :: "Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander) Daily Build" http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ :: "Alternative downloads | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads ::
[11:54] <Maaz> "Download Ubuntu | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download :: "Ubuntu-GNOME 13.04 (Raring R…
[11:55] <Kilos> there is the latest
[11:55] <Ray_> 12.04 /// long term support ... is that billed or free?
[11:55] <Kilos> barrydk, for what
[11:55] <Kilos> free but 3 years support
[11:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> Ray_: http://www.ubuntu.com/, click "Get Ubuntu now"
[11:55] <barrydk> that remote desktop on the win pc Kilos 
[11:55] <Kilos> the latest is 9 months
[11:55] <Ray_> thanks guys .. im gettin it
[11:56] <Kilos> i just added ip addy username and password
[11:56] <Kilos> cool
[11:56] <Kilos> yw Ray_ dont stay away
[11:56] <barrydk> Kilos,  dit you use remote desktop protocol?
[11:57] <Ray_> cool .. so i can do all windows type stuff with ubuntu .. and dis bill gates to boot ...lol
[11:57] <Kilos> rdp remote desktop protocol
[11:57] <barrydk> Thanks
[11:57] <Kilos> hehe
[11:57] <Kilos> wait barrydk i had a link that explained it nicely
[11:57] <Kilos> even i got it right
[11:58] <Kilos> http://www.7tutorials.com/connecting-windows-remote-desktop-ubuntu
[11:58] <Kilos> barrydk, ^^
[11:58] <barrydk> Thanks 
[11:58] <Kilos> yw
[11:59] <Ray_> ok kilos .. download underway ... i see its an iso file ... so i just burn the image to a cd and use it as a boot install?
[11:59] <Kilos> thats right
[11:59] <Kilos> or even to a usb stick
[12:00] <Ray_> coool ... thanks mate
[12:00] <Kilos> yw
[12:00] <Ray_> the only worry i have with ubuntu is my ability to use my audio studio device .. which is a M Audio fastrack
[12:01] <Ray_> now anything about that kilos?
[12:01] <Kilos> Ray_, there is always someone here to help. sometimes you gotta wait a bit
[12:01] <Ray_> sorry *know
[12:01] <Kilos> i use vlc for all media
[12:01] <Ray_> lol .. im a newbie .. sorry
[12:01] <Kilos> you are welcome here all the time
[12:02] <Kilos> im also a noob
[12:02] <Ray_> ok .. im recording studio quality voiceovers
[12:02] <Ray_> for net radio
[12:02] <Kilos> we might need to good some
[12:02] <Kilos> google
[12:03] <Ray_> hmmm i see
[12:03] <mazal> Got it working with the changed keyboard
[12:03] <mazal> Ta
[12:03] <Kilos> cool mazal 
[12:03] <Kilos> remmina is kiff
[12:06] <Kilos> Ray_, http://superuser.com/questions/308367/how-do-i-configure-my-m-audio-fast-track-pro-in-ubuntu
[12:06] <Kilos> only thing not too hot in ubuntu is gaming
[12:07] <Ray_> ah thats cool Kilos .. youre a star mate
[12:07] <Ray_> ill be using it for business
[12:07] <Kilos> cool
[12:09] <Kilos> Ray_, you could have got this iso if you do studio stuff
[12:09] <Kilos> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/13.04/release/
[12:10] <Ray_> ok .. ill stop the other and get this then
[12:10] <Kilos> you can go with it and install the extras later
[12:10] <Ray_> does it do all the other stuff too?
[12:10] <Ray_> the normal ubuntu .. but just with enhanced studio stuff?
[12:11] <Kilos> once you have installed ubuntu then all extras are available in synaptic package manager
[12:11] <Ray_> ok .. cool
[12:11] <Kilos> studio has extras not on the ubuntu iso
[12:13] <Ray_> damn ... 2.4 gig .. there goes my telkom cap for the month
[12:14] <Kilos> oh my
[12:14] <Ray_> can i get a CD somewhere ?
[12:14] <Kilos> 3g?
[12:14] <Ray_> adsl
[12:14] <Kilos> where are you?
[12:14] <Ray_> but limited during office hours (telkom sucks)
[12:14] <Ray_> yellowwood park
[12:14] <Ray_> Durban
[12:15] <Kilos> lol i use telkom mobile
[12:15] <Kilos> there are lotsa guys in durbs
[12:15] <Ray_> really? .. id much rather buy a cd if possible
[12:15] <Ray_> can you oint me in the right direction?
[12:15] <Kilos> you just supply a new dvd
[12:16] <Kilos> ubuntu peeps dont charge
[12:16] <Kilos> normally
[12:16] <Ray_> i see theres a guy in glenwood .. 2005 .. maybe he moved?
[12:16] <Kilos> join our mailing list and ask for a dvd
[12:16] <Ray_> ok ..lesseee .. mailing list
[12:17] <Ray_> on this page/
[12:17] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ || PBin: http://slexy.org/ || Logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[12:17] <Kilos> eish
[12:17] <Ray_> ?
[12:17] <Kilos> wait
[12:18] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[12:18] <Kilos> there should be someone in durbs that has the iso's downloaded
[12:18] <Kilos> Vince-0, ideas?
[12:19] <Kilos> you have to be patient sometimes Ray_ the guys are all at work so help when they get a break
[12:20] <Ray_> k no probs
[12:20] <Kilos> in your mail ask for the dvd you want and ask where you can meet whoever helps you
[12:21] <Kilos> state where you are too
[12:22] <Kilos> winning mazal ?
[12:25] <Vince-0> heey
[12:25] <Vince-0> so busy here
[12:26] <Kilos> sorry Vince-0 
[12:26] <Vince-0> looking for ubuntu studio in dbn?
[12:26] <Kilos> Ray_, we are here at night as well
[12:26] <Kilos> yip
[12:26] <Vince-0> ooh, can't say I know of any but I can get em quick
[12:27] <Ray_> great
[12:27] <Kilos> william normally has all the isos
[12:27] <Vince-0> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/dbnlug
[12:27] <Vince-0> he does, but I'm not sure about the studio remix
[12:29] <Ray_> thanks ... applied to join the group
[12:30] <Kilos> im just guessing that studio is what Ray_  needs
[12:30] <Ray_> studio is just one thing ill be doing ... but gmail ... zoho ... etc too
[12:31] <Kilos> cool Ray_ you are becoming part of our community
[12:31] <Kilos> im sure thats all in there, if not its easily added
[12:31] <Ray_> cool ... i like it ... 
[12:31] <mazal> Kilos no it's not really what I hoped for
[12:31] <Ray_> unlike windows ... i get to speak to real people that reall can help
[12:32] <Kilos> lol
[12:32] <Kilos> aw mazal what more do you want
[12:32] <mazal> Main problem is you must connect with the user that is logged in otherwise it logs the user out
[12:32] <Ray_> tried calling windows ... its been a year now and no one has answered my call
[12:32] <Kilos> yes i saw that
[12:32] <mazal> So I will need to have every of my 300+ user's details :-(
[12:32] <Kilos> maybe there is a workaround
[12:33] <mazal> That's what I like with vnc , it just straight connects
[12:33] <Kilos> i just started with it so dont know what all is applicable
[12:33] <mazal> But I like that ubuntu has such a tool
[12:33] <mazal> Will be good for admin with a little less machines and users
[12:34] <Kilos> ya 300 is heavy
[12:34] <mazal> Which makes me wonder now , how do you enable remote desktop on ubuntu ?
[12:34] <mazal> Where is that setting ?
[12:35] <Kilos> just type remmina in dash
[12:35] <Kilos> oh
[12:35] <Kilos> type in remote and it will give that option too
[12:36] <Kilos> you are on unity hey mazal ?
[12:36] <mazal> Yes and no
[12:36] <mazal> Say yes
[12:36] <mazal> lol
[12:36] <mazal> Mostly unity
[12:37] <Kilos> then type in the dash what you want
[12:37] <mazal> And on one that don't have unity ?
[12:38] <Kilos> what do they have?
[12:38] <mazal> Must be this "desktop sharing" setting hey ?
[12:38] <Kilos> ya
[12:39] <mazal> Found it at system-tools -> preferences
[12:39] <mazal> This laptop I'm on has mos old gnome2 menus
[12:39] <Kilos> what are you using?
[12:39] <mazal> My main machine at home is unity
[12:39] <Kilos> oh man
[12:39] <Kilos> i asked a few times
[12:40] <mazal> That's why I said yes and no lol
[12:40] <Kilos> lol
[12:40] <mazal> Cos one is unity and one isn't
[12:40] <Kilos> you wanna borrow my email addy?
[12:40] <mazal> why ?
[12:41] <Kilos> it explains why peeps must ask 3 times
[12:41] <mazal> Nee man , it's the answer that get's complicated
[12:41] <Kilos> lol
[12:41] <Kilos> i have 10.10 still going on one drive here
[12:42] <Kilos> pure gnome2
[12:43] <mazal> I miss unity on this gnome2 one
[12:43] <mazal> Unity I find stuff faster
[12:45] <magespawn_> afternoon all
[12:46] <Kilos> hi magespawn_ 
[12:46] <Kilos> you left me all on my lonesome
[12:46] <magespawn_> woops i have a tail lol
[12:47] <magespawn_> sorry
[12:47] <Kilos> been a net split day magespawn 
[12:48] <magespawn> so i see, maybe we can make a new sort of dish with all the spilts
[12:49] <barrydk> Yah its that time. Goodbye everyone
[12:49] <magespawn> like, netsplits served here with chocolate and cream
[12:49] <magespawn> cheers barrydk
[12:50] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:51] <Kilos> treid remmina today magespawn 
[12:51] <Kilos> got full control on a win7 pc from here
[12:51] <Kilos> tried as well
[12:51] <magespawn> nice you want to try it over the net next
[12:52] <Kilos> you need ip addy and username and password
[12:53] <magespawn> do you know what port is uses to connect
[12:53] <magespawn> ?
[12:53] <magespawn> ?
[12:53] <Kilos> i have found where to get that info
[12:53] <Kilos> didnt show port anywhere in the setup
[12:54] <Kilos> i think
[12:54] <magespawn> we would need the port number if the person you are trying to connect to is behind a firewall or somethimg like a nat router
[12:55] <Kilos> followed this guide
[12:55] <Kilos> http://www.7tutorials.com/connecting-windows-remote-desktop-ubuntu
[12:55] <Kilos> oh
[12:56] <mazal> Bye everyone
[12:56] <mazal> Enjoy your evening
[12:56] <Kilos> cheers mazal 
[12:56] <Kilos> you too
[12:57] <magespawn> when doing stuff like this through the public internet it does complicate things a bit, but it is still possible
[12:59] <magespawn> it is always a good idea to encrypt you connection when you uses any public network for this sort of connection
[12:59] <Kilos> wb Banlam 
[12:59] <Kilos> i dunno how to do that
[12:59] <Kilos> wb bakuman 
[13:00] <magespawn> sometimes the client will handle that for you
[13:00] <Kilos> hi Kerbero 
[13:00] <Kilos> what client?
[13:01] <Kilos> hi koiosify 
[13:01] <Kilos> whe
[13:01] <Kilos> whew too
[13:05] <magespawn> the program you use in this case remmina
[13:19] <Kilos> would that be enabling an ssh tunnel magespawn ?
[13:19] <Kilos> i see thats an option
[13:20] <magespawn> yes that means all the traffic between the two computers is encrypted
[13:22] <charl_> with rdesktop i use port forwarding over an ssl tunnel to my desktop at work when i am at home
[13:22] <charl_> i run windows inside a virtual machine, the hypervisor has a built-in nat router
[13:23] <charl_> it also creates a virtual network interface so i can access virtual machines from my host and allows my virtual machines to talk to each other
[13:23] <charl_> so when i pipe my rdp traffic over the ssh tunnel i not only get an extra security benefit but i also bypass the problem with nat routing on ipv4
[13:25] <charl_> over ipv6 we shouldn't have this problem though, and afaik rdp is encrypted in any case
[13:25] <magespawn> charl_: i was not sure if it was by default and what the level was
[13:27] <Kilos-> oh my i got a tail
[13:27] <Kilos-> cant turn your back for 5 mins
[13:28] <magespawn> RDP on windows apprently uses port 3389 by default but that can be specified in the software using computername:postnumber setup
[13:28] <magespawn> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ZA/windows-xp/help/remotedesktop/remote-desktop-faq
[13:29] <magespawn> that can also be ipaddress:portnumber
[13:30] <magespawn> charl_: what windows do you use?
[13:32] <Kilos-> wb ray_ 
[13:32] <ray_> hi kilos
[13:33] <ray_> lol .. im from the age of pen and paper .. so do excuse me ..ive been going round in circles looking for a cd ..
[13:33] <Kilos-> did you ask the mailing list?
[13:33] <ray_> went to all diff forums .. joined clubs etc .. but - like Bono .. i still havent found what im looking for
[13:33] <Kilos-> no more cds all dvd now
[13:33] <ray_> lol
[13:34] <ray_> ok dvd will do
[13:34] <Kilos-> no man our mailing list
[13:34] <Kilos-> i havent see a mail from you
[13:34] <Kilos> ya
[13:34] <Kilos> oh
[13:34] <Kilos> thats the client
[13:34] <Kilos> not the customer is the client
[13:34] <Kilos> whew
[13:34] <ray_> i dunno .. i joined it and it took me to google groups or summin .. i got confused .. im not as young as i used to be ..lol
[13:34] <Kilos-> lol
[13:34] <Kilos-> age?
[13:35] <ray_> bright side of 50
[13:35] <ray_> lol
[13:35] <Kilos-> ah i older
[13:35] <ray_> 25 .. with 25 years experience ..lol
[13:35] <Kilos-> that link i gave you didnt it let you join our miling list
[13:36] <ray_> give me again .. let me try once more
[13:36] <Kilos-> im near 63 with 4 years experience
[13:36] <ray_> jeez .. spring chicken ...lol
[13:36] <Kilos->  http://bit.ly/MCOujZ 
[13:41] <Kilos-> oh my peeps attacking freenode again
[13:41] <Kilos-> theres a whole bunch of guys in durbs by the sea
[13:41] <ray_> ok .. sure i did that tho .. even got a conf mail
[13:41] <Kilos-> right then mail to that addy and ask
[13:41] <ray_> yooohooo .. good to hear
[13:41] <ray_> ok .. did it
[13:41] <ray_> thanks Kilos
[13:41] <Kilos> good
[13:41] <Kilos> anytime
[13:41] <Kilos> one of them guys will get you the iso
[13:41] <Superhuman> weird, my SASL Auth to freenode seems to not work anymore.
[13:42] <Kilos> Superhuman, nickserv and chanserv are down
[13:42] <Superhuman> ah, I see
[13:42] <Kilos> [Global Notice] Hi, yes NickServ, ChanServ etc are gone - we're investigating why right now.
[13:43] <Kilos> internet probs, i havent seen the mail yet
[13:43] <Kilos> grrr
[13:44] <Kilos> ray_, mail to here
[13:45] <Kilos> ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com
[13:45] <ray_> k
[13:46] <charl_> hi sorry back
[13:46] <charl_> magespawn: windows 8 professional
[13:47] <charl_> i only run it to use office 2013 and a few other apps really
[13:47] <magespawn> how do find that? are you using the metro interface?
[13:47] <ray_> done diddy done
[13:48] <ray_> i hear libre office is mighty cool too
[13:48] <ray_> is that also on cd ... or only download?
[13:48] <charl_> magespawn: no i hate it, i normally use it in traditional "desktop" mode
[13:49] <Kilos> everything in ubuntu is cool
[13:49] <charl_> magespawn: however, sometimes when i do something (for example, open a pdf in a mail) it opens in the metro pdf application
[13:49] <Kilos> its part of your install ray_ 
[13:49] <ray_> ohhhhh cooool
[13:49] <charl_> magespawn: such a waste of a 1080p screen that
[13:51] <magespawn> charl_: i agree with that
[13:52] <charl_> what is even worse is that i am in the desktop application the one moment and then i just sporadically exit the desktop and enter metro when i do something
[13:56] <magespawn> for a company that sells its software to users that largely hate change i am suprised with win8
[13:57] <charl_> i think they feel threatened by android and apple
[13:58] <charl_> in dutch we have a saying, "een kat in het nauw maakt rare sprongen"
[14:09] <magespawn> looks like ray_ came here from the website
[14:10] <Kilos> i still didnt see his mail
[14:10] <magespawn> i think he mailed the dlug
[14:11] <Vince-0> yep
[14:11] <Vince-0> that freenode embedded IRC client needs some beautification . 
[14:12] <Vince-0> I see Ubuntu uses KiwiIRC for UDS - much prettier
[14:43] <magespawn> later all, home time
[14:43] <Kilos> k magespawn 
[14:58] <nuvolari> *cough*
[14:58] <nuvolari> o/ :)
[14:59] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[15:00] <Kilos> lo nuvolari lewe jy nog
[15:00] <Kilos> hoekom so skaars seun
[15:09] <nuvolari> ek is aan die gang oom
[15:09] <nuvolari> nie baie lus vir my rekenaar in die aande nie :-/
[15:14] <Kilos> ai!
[15:14] <Kilos> sorry man
[15:19] <nuvolari> whokom is oom Kilos sorry? :P
[15:19] <nuvolari> wat het oom gedoen!?
[15:21] <Kilos> wany jy is te moeg man
[15:21] <Kilos> kry vir jou centrum multivits
[16:23] <Kilos> DDOS attacks again
[16:24] <Kilos> [Global Notice] Welcome to Splitville, Population: Shrinking -- as you may have noticed the network is suffering under the strain of yet another DDoS attack, we are working with our sponsors to try curb what we can and apologise for the inconvenience. 
[16:27] <Georgl> hi chaps
[16:27] <Kilos> hi Georgl 
[16:27] <Georgl> did upgrade to 13.04 a few days ago
[16:28] <Zarw> Any better ?
[16:28] <Georgl> strange thing is after boot up, my mouse pointer remains inactive for a few minutes. almost like it is disabled.
[16:29] <Georgl> never had it before
[16:29] <Georgl> seems to take a bit longer to boot as well compared to 12.04
[16:29] <Zarw> I want my ubuntu HDMI supporet and samba client to work like a bomb hasnt worked the alst few upgrades :(
[16:30] <Georgl> seems like i might have to do a reinstall from scratch
[16:30] <Georgl> dreading having to recompile all my toolchains..
[16:31] <Kilos> ai!
[16:31] <Georgl> i am not sure if using xfce as window manager has something to do with it
[16:31] <Georgl> but i was using xfce for a while on 12.04
[16:32] <Kilos> Georgl, what does google say?
[16:33] <Georgl> hehe, het nog nie vir google gevra nie
[16:33] <Georgl> sal moet
[16:33] <Kilos> you upgraded from 12.04 to 13.04
[16:34] <Georgl> no 12.10 to 13.04
[16:34] <Kilos> kan miskien n klein ding wees
[16:34] <Kilos> ah
[16:34] <Georgl> mmmm.... lots of hits on google
[16:34] <Georgl> some reading to do
[16:34] <Georgl> thanks Kilos
[16:34] <Kilos> Maaz, google 12.10 to 13.04 upgrade very slow
[16:34] <Maaz> Kilos: "12.10 - Wifi keeps disconnecting and extremely slow at low signal ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/295035/wifi-keeps-disconnecting-and-extremely-slow-at-low-signal-ubuntu-13-04 :: "installation - ubuntu 13.04 is extremly slow - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/287863/ubuntu-13-04-is-extremly-slow :: "12.10 - How do I resolve slow and choppy
[16:34] <Maaz> performance in virtualbox ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/287532/how-do-i-resolve-slow-a…
[16:35] <Kilos> np
[16:35] <Kilos> might just be settings to change
[16:37] <Kilos> did you install xubuntu-desktop
[16:37] <Georgl> yes
[16:37] <Kilos> and now again or has it gone unity now
[16:38] <Georgl> you mean have i checked if mouse in unity fails to work?
[16:38] <Kilos> i wanna know if you did the xfce install now on 13.04 
[16:39] <Georgl> no , i installed xfce on 12.10 a few weeks ago
[16:39] <Kilos> or just upgraded from 12.10 xfce
[16:39] <Georgl> then performed a few days ago
[16:39] <Kilos> do you want to keep xfce
[16:39] <Kilos> then install Xubuntu-desktop again
[16:40] <Georgl> something is up with irc
[16:40] <Georgl> my last message went mia
[16:40] <Kilos> yeah DDos attacks
[16:40] <Georgl> thought so
[16:41] <Georgl> let me check on something, back in a second
[16:41] <Kilos> k
[16:42] <Georgl> i just looked at login page and xfce and xubuntu is listed as options
[16:42] <Georgl> using xubuntu though
[16:42] <Georgl> could that be a issue?
[16:42] <Kilos> ya but not the 13.04 xubuntu?
[16:43] <Kilos> just the upgraded 12.10 one?
[16:43] <Georgl> yes
[16:43] <Kilos> do you have aptitude installed
[16:43] <Georgl> suggest i uninstall xfce and xubuntu and install one of them again
[16:43] <Georgl> yes i do
[16:44] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall xubuntu-desktop
[16:44] <Kilos> i like aptitude it tells you where it sees probs
[16:45] <Kilos> and gives a fix
[16:45] <Georgl> Kilos: please check pvt
[16:46] <Kilos> k
[16:46] <Georgl> output from reinstall
[17:03] <Georgl_> jeez
[17:03] <Georgl_> this ddos is causing havoc
[17:07] <Vince-0_> why on earth would anyone ddos freenode
[17:07] <Vince-0_> my google pages are also slow as hell
[17:08] <Georgl> finally
[17:09] <Georgl> Kilos: it booted fine this time, quick too, mouse working fromthe start
[17:09] <Georgl> thanks for the help, i will keep a beady eye on it
[17:10] <Kilos> yw Georgl 
[18:14] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you still here?
[18:14] <Kilos> no work today?
[18:21] <Kilos> Georgl, have you done sudo apt-get update and upgrade?
[18:22] <Georgl> Kilos: 
[18:22] <Georgl> yes i have
[18:22] <Kilos> cool
[18:22] <Georgl> now discovered sound is mia
[18:22] <Kilos> sound for what
[18:22] <Kilos> all sound?
[18:22] <Georgl> lists dummy output
[18:22] <Georgl> yes all sound
[18:22] <Kilos> eish
[18:23] <Kilos> maybe you will need to install something
[18:23] <Georgl> i should have listened to my instinct....
[18:23] <Kilos> i didnt have sound on xchat with xubuntu
[18:23] <Kilos> what did instinct tell you
[18:23] <nlsthzn> alo
[18:23] <Georgl> playing youtube vids or audio
[18:24] <nlsthzn> I see a ping
[18:24] <Georgl> don't do it....
[18:24] <Georgl> lol
[18:24] <Kilos> lol
[18:24] <Kilos> i had to do something in /usr/share/sounds/
[18:25] <Kilos> forget what
[18:25] <Kilos> Maaz, google xubuntu 13.04 no sound
[18:25] <Maaz> Kilos: "[lubuntu] no sound in 13.04 - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2139889 :: "Xubuntu 13.04 Alsa Control panel - HDMI output option gone from ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/293888/xubuntu-13-04-alsa-control-panel-hdmi-output-option-gone-from-all-sound-contro :: "No sound in Ubuntu: some solutions - Easy Linux tips project"
[18:25] <Maaz> http://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/sound :: "Xubuntu Geek" http://xubuntugeek.blogs…
[18:25] <Georgl> tells me i don't have sound card available
[18:26] <Kilos> i forget the commands
[18:26] <Kilos> lspci
[18:26] <Kilos> maybe that shows what pc sees
[18:26] <Kilos> what sound card?
[18:27] <Kilos> nlsthzn, what you know about xubuntu
[18:27] <Kilos> no sound?
[18:28]  * nlsthzn knows to little...
[18:28] <Kilos> me too
[18:28] <nlsthzn> sorry :/
[18:28] <Kilos> nuvolari, is the x man
[18:28] <Kilos> np
[18:28] <nlsthzn> in my world it works or I uninstall
[18:28] <Kilos> lol
[18:28]  * nlsthzn goes to bed now... good luck and see after the week end
[18:28] <Kilos> Georgl, try aptitude install mplayer
[18:29] <Georgl> trying
[18:32] <Kilos> oh and maybe its muted somewhere
[18:32] <Kilos> do you see a sound icon somewhere
[18:35] <Georgl> http://itsfoss.com/fix-sound-ubuntu-1304-quick-tip/
[18:35] <Georgl> solved the problem
[18:35] <Kilos> well done
[18:36] <Kilos> most probs we have someone else has found already
[18:38] <Georgl> thank goodness for that
[18:39] <Kilos> yeah, internet very sick
[18:40] <Kilos> that link still hasnt opened
[18:41] <Georgl> wow
[18:41] <Kilos> i give up. hopefully web better tomorrow
[18:42] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[18:42] <Georgl> thanks Kilos
[18:42] <Georgl> ciao
[18:42] <Kilos> yw
[18:55] <inetpro> good evening