[03:24] <ahoneybun> valorie: hey
[05:08] <valorie> ahoneybun: still here?
[05:08] <valorie> :( -- probably too late
[07:00] <Tm_T> 4.10.4 packages installs just fine here
[07:00] <Tm_T> seems to work too
[07:16] <soee> good morning
[10:23] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:18] <hrw> hi
[11:18] <hrw> kdm in saucy greeted me with "@@@@to be replaced by destkopbase@@@@" like message. had to login at VT and use startx
[11:19] <Riddell> hrw: how come you're using kdm?
[11:19] <hrw> Riddell: I enabled it 3 years ago and it stayed that way
[11:21] <Riddell> hrw: you're probably the only person still using it :)
[11:21] <hrw> Riddell: and it was working until today
[11:21] <Riddell> we should fix that indeed it's part of kde sc, but not a priority
[11:22] <hrw> pulseaudio died as well ;(
[11:22] <hrw> 'no sound cards available for configuration'
[11:22] <Riddell> hrw: can you do suspend from kickoff menu?
[11:22] <Riddell> yofel: can you bzr update kubuntu-automation?
[11:22] <hrw> Riddell: it is desktop not laptop
[11:24] <soee> hiho
[11:25] <soee> Riddell, when are you planning to move 4.10.4 to official raring repos ?
[11:26] <agateau> hrw: desktops can suspend as well
[11:26] <hrw> agateau: with lot of suspend/hibernate problems in past I prefer not to play with it anymore
[11:26] <Riddell> soee: dunno I'm still on saucy packaging
[11:27] <agateau> hrw: then you'll never know if it's fixed :)
[11:27] <hrw> agateau: ;D
[11:27] <hrw> agateau: on my x86 laptop I tent to test it from time to time. last time checked it was still no working hibernation. suspend worked fine
[11:31] <yofel> Riddell: on it
[11:33] <BluesKaj> after the last update dist-upgrade , lightdm has to stopped from the TTY and then startx needs tobe used to get a desktop
[11:35] <yofel> Riddell: ^
[11:35] <yofel> BluesKaj: there are some logs in /var/log/lightdm/ - anything interesting in there?
[11:36] <yofel> Riddell: updated and saucy page refreshed
[11:37] <BluesKaj> yofel, let me check
[11:39] <hrw> Riddell: installed lightdm + lightdm-kde-greeter. but it does not work:
[11:39] <hrw> [+0.47s] DEBUG: Failed to load session file /usr/share/xgreeters/lightdm-gtk-greeter.desktop: No such file or directory
[11:39] <hrw> should not it be autoswitched to kde one on install? or some user selection given?
[11:41] <Riddell> certainly should
[11:41] <Riddell> what's /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf say?
[11:41] <Riddell> hrw: 
[11:41] <hrw> Riddell: xubuntu and gtk greeter
[11:41] <hrw> probably leftover from previous years when I had xfce
[11:42] <Riddell> it runs   /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --keep-old --greeter=lightdm-kde-greeter --session=kde-plasma
[11:42] <hrw> keep-old is a key
[11:42] <Riddell> so I guess it won't change anything if you already have stuff set in there
[11:42] <hrw> thanks
[11:46] <BluesKaj> yofel, the lightdmlog doesn't show much but the x-0-greeter.log has this: http://pastebin.com/ZQ1H7geh
[11:49] <hrw> ok, logged though lightdm
[11:52] <Riddell> hrw: this you getting back into the full size world after all that linaro embeddedness?
[11:52] <Riddell> yofel: could you just add the bzr update to the cron on k-a?
[11:52] <hrw> Riddell: linaro was not so embedded
[11:53] <hrw> Riddell: and I had kde on desktop for several years
[11:53] <Riddell> excellent :)
[11:53] <yofel> Riddell: I could actually do that, it's just a read only checkout anyway
[11:53] <Peace-> Riddell: do you know why anti aliasing is not enabled by default ... on my channel a lots of people says the don't like fonts on kbuuntu 
[11:54] <Peace-> Riddell: for me it's quite strange but lots of Ubuntu says font is better in ubutnu 
[11:55] <Riddell> Peace-: um I'm pretty sure it is enabled by default
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Peace-, fonts are a matter of taste as much as they are readable 
[11:55] <Riddell> it would be very ugly if it wasn't
[11:56] <hrw> Riddell: but for lightdm I will switch to unity greeter. kde one look does not appeal to me
[11:56] <yofel> 10,25,40,55 *  * * * yofel cd /opt/kubuntu/kubuntu-automation/ && bzr up > /dev/null
[11:56] <yofel> should do the trick
[11:56] <Peace-> Riddell: i have no problem with them but often in ubuntu-it channel i see fonts sucks etc etc 
[11:56] <yofel> Riddell: added
[11:57] <BluesKaj> everyone was raving about ubuntu fonts at first except me ..they are readable but I didn't l;ike them 
[11:58] <hrw> Riddell: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9P6tmxpB0-vV2t5VzQzcFcyTmc/edit?usp=sharing
[11:59] <Riddell> Peace-: it'll be more subtle than just on/off if it exists, some screenshots would be helpful
[11:59] <Riddell> hrw: lightdm breakage!
[11:59] <Riddell> I have no idea what would cause that
[11:59] <Riddell> hrw: you only have one monitor?
[11:59] <hrw> Riddell: two monitors?
[11:59] <Riddell> ah
[12:00] <hrw> Riddell: kdm did not had problem (up to today)
[12:00] <Peace-> Riddell: i am talking with the guy 
[12:00] <Riddell> hrw: what version of kdm is that?
[12:01] <hrw> Riddell: 4:4.10.3-0ubuntu5
[12:03] <Riddell> hrw: put kdm and lightdm+2 monitors on my todo list for investigation
[12:06] <BluesKaj> yofel, also I just noticed a nvidia graphics driver regression from the 319 to 313 
[12:08] <hrw> Riddell: thanks
[12:26] <BluesKaj> yup the nvidia driver has definitely regressed here , without any prompting from me 
[12:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how come to oxygen-icons for saucy in ppa?
[12:51] <Riddell> or kajongg?
[12:51] <shadeslayer> huh? We had other pressing matters last night on the Netrunner font
[12:51] <shadeslayer> *front
[12:52] <shadeslayer> so I think those 2 packages got left out
[12:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-tegra3
[12:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what about nvidia?
[12:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: X11 drivers for the Nexus 7 :)
[12:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you have any experience with the oem stuff?
[12:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: which oem stuff?
[12:57] <shadeslayer> the oem setup thingum
[12:57] <shadeslayer> oem-config-kde
[12:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well I test it every release from the desktop
[12:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but the way it gets run from some images (arm and nexus) it doesn't show in raring :(
[13:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'm not sure if this will work, but just an idea, wouldn't debootstrapping an image with kubuntu-active + x11 drivers + oem-config-kde work?
[13:01] <shadeslayer> then we flash the kernel that's available from ubuntu with the standard ubuntu initrd and it /might/ just work
[13:01] <shadeslayer> I'm just uncertain how oem-config-kde gets called
[13:02] <Riddell> it'll be an upstart job no?
[13:02] <shadeslayer> I guess ..
[13:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: just look at an image and see
[13:04] <shadeslayer> yeah, that's what I'm doing
[13:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you send a test mail to rohangarg AT kubuntu dot org?
[13:17] <shadeslayer> :S
[13:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: not particulary good: <rohangarg@kubuntu.org>: User unknown in virtual alias table
[13:19] <shadeslayer> still broken :(
[13:21] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: did you guys see my saucy upgrade problems paste? a bit stuck there
[13:21] <yofel> that's from <MAILER-DAEMON@fiordland.canonical.com>
[13:21] <yofel> tsdgeos: you posted that where?
[13:22] <shadeslayer> nope, the power just came back on, so catching up now
[13:22] <tsdgeos> here
[13:22] <tsdgeos> but then i timed our :D
[13:22] <tsdgeos> -r+t
[13:22] <tsdgeos> anyone http://paste.kde.org/~tsdgeos/759794/ any clue?
[13:22] <tsdgeos> seems nepomuk-core and nepomuk-core-runtime don't like eachother
[13:24] <tsdgeos> ok, sudo apt-get install nepomuk-core-runtime nepomuk-core-
[13:24] <tsdgeos> helped
[13:25] <Riddell> tsdgeos: looking
[13:26] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: seems like a file moved, should be an easy fix
[13:26] <tsdgeos> seems like  nepomuk-core-runtime should have some info saying it replaces nepomuk-core or something?
[13:26] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:26] <Riddell> tsdgeos: missing replaces, workaround with dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/nepomuk-core-runtime_4%3a4.10.3-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[13:26] <Riddell> I spotted one on kdepim as well
[13:27] <Riddell> thanks for testing, will fix shortly
[13:27] <tsdgeos> Riddell: the apt-get install line helped too, tells to install and remove at the same time, didn't know you could do that :-)
[13:28] <BluesKaj> lightdm still isn't starting X , thought I'd mention that
[13:29] <Riddell> BluesKaj: mm, lightdm starts?
[13:29] <Riddell> cos that is X
[13:33] <BluesKaj> yes , but it doesn't start the desktop boot sequence
[13:33] <BluesKaj> Riddell, ^
[13:33] <Riddell> BluesKaj: what do logs say?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Riddell, x-0-greeter.log : http://pastebin.com/CftRs513
[13:42] <Riddell> BluesKaj: /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log more useful I think
[13:42] <BluesKaj> not much there the last time Riddell , but I'll pastebin it
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Riddell, http://pastebin.com/0RPCqXNb
[13:47] <yofel> shadeslayer: that overwrite error is a fundamental issue with our post-merge workflow really
[13:48] <Riddell> BluesKaj: Session 1820 running command /usr/sbin/lightdm-session /usr/bin/startkde
[13:48] <yofel> nepomuk-core-runtime breaks/replaces nepomuk-core (<< 4:4.10.3) already
[13:48] <yofel> that breaks for every new SRU we push out
[13:48] <Riddell> BluesKaj: so that looks fine
[13:48] <Riddell> BluesKaj: ~/.xsession-errors probabaly next to look at
[13:49] <yofel> Riddell: btw. I fixed a bunch of overwrite errors for kdepim in bzr already
[13:50] <Riddell> yofel: oh cool thanks
[13:51] <BluesKaj> looks fine ,but there's no resonse Riddell , the greeter page just sits there 
[13:51] <BluesKaj> response
[13:55] <yofel> shadeslayer: what would make sense most, is to get 4.10.4 out in saucy, then someone needs to go through every repository and change all breaks/replaces to something like << 4.10.50 for those that were added for the merges
[13:56] <shadeslayer> I'm not quite sure I follow what the issue here is
[13:56] <shadeslayer> the file moved in saucy and you just add the breaks/replaces in saucy?
[13:56] <shadeslayer> or did multiple files move all over the place that we don't know about?
[13:56] <yofel> shadeslayer: yep
[13:57] <yofel> that worked until 4.10.3 was published in raring
[13:57] <yofel> as it really has to be << 4.10.50, not << 4.10.3 to not break anymore
[13:58] <shadeslayer> I don't understand a word you're staying, please try again tomorrow :D
[13:58]  * yofel isn't sure why we're even putting .4 in saucy in the first place, but forgot to think before we started
[13:59] <yofel> shadeslayer: ok, let me try to explain what happened
[13:59] <shadeslayer> hm, true, I didn't think as well
[13:59] <yofel> we had 4.10.2 in raring
[13:59] <yofel> we started merging with debian
[14:00] <yofel> breaks replaces were added for the moved files and set to << 4.10.3 as packages got updated to 4.10.3 while at it
[14:00] <yofel> we put 4.10.3 into raring-updates
[14:00] <yofel> => breaks/replaces all became useless
[14:00] <yofel> shadeslayer: see?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> aha
[14:00] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:01] <yofel> I totally forgot about that issue because we didn't merge for a year...
[14:01] <shadeslayer> hehe
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Riddell, here's the ~/.xsession-errors , http://pastebin.com/EH5FjQ1i
[14:03] <yofel> IMO, the best way to work around it would be to never upload the merges to devel but set the breaks/replaces to << 4.X+1.80 right away
[14:03] <jussi01> If anyone is looking to work from home on linux/embedded stuff, nomovok is hiring again. 
[14:03] <yofel> we should probably talk about that at akademy
[14:03] <jussi01> http://www.mol.fi/paikat/Job.do?lang=fi&jobID=8256994&index=0&anchor=8256994 and http://www.mol.fi/paikat/Job.do?lang=fi&jobID=8256440&index=1&anchor=8256440
[14:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: please note that down somewhere or send to kubuntu-devel so that we do not forget
[14:06] <yofel> shadeslayer: agreed, will do
[14:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: make a new board on Trello for KDS?
[14:08] <Riddell> BluesKaj: hum, can't see an obvious problem there
[14:09] <Riddell> apport being broken might not help
[14:09] <yofel> shadeslayer: you want to add one?
[14:10] <shadeslayer> voila https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-developer-summit/51b0983365d452e4310026ad
[14:10] <shadeslayer> please add lengthy explanation so that we can recall it at the conf :P
[14:11] <yofel> shadeslayer: you need to add me first, and make me admin while at i
[14:11] <yofel> t
[14:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: done
[14:21] <yofel> card added
[14:29] <yofel> !testers | 4.10.4 is done for quantal and precise in the ninja PPA
[14:30] <yofel> if nobody can test I'll have to rely on virtualbox
[14:30] <Peace-> yofel: your ?screen resolution ? 
[14:30] <yofel> Peace-: 1600x900 here
[14:31] <BluesKaj> yofel, already on 4.10.4
[14:31] <Peace-> yofel: if i ask you to test ksplash theme ? have you time ?
[14:31] <Peace-> i guess no but ...
[14:31] <yofel> Peace-: if it's a 5 minute job ping me in ~4h, otherwise weekend
[14:32] <Riddell> yofel: I'm firing up a load of ec2s to test now
[14:32] <yofel> thanks!
[14:33] <Peace-> yofel: 1 minute :D just go here and try fabric http://susepaste.org/46179565
[14:33] <yofel> I'll publish raring to the PPA in the meanwhile, people seem to be using it fine since yesterday
[14:33] <yofel> Peace-: will still have to wait ~4h, sorry
[14:33] <Peace-> yofel: no problem :D
[14:42] <vHanda> yofel: I'm not sure what you mean about the nepomuk stuff. Can I help with something?
[14:44] <yofel> vHanda: I seem to have hit the same issue as jessie a while ago: a corrupt soprano-virtuoso.trx preventing virtuoso from starting. Is there something I can give you to debug this?
[14:44] <vHanda> yeah. He did send me his db as well
[14:44] <vHanda> I couldn't make much sense
[14:44] <vHanda> let me look at it again
[14:44] <vHanda> actually, let me do it right now, otherwise I keep forgettings
[14:44] <vHanda> *forgetting
[14:45] <yofel> I don't have access to my relevant system right now so I can't send you the DB. The trx is http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/misc/soprano-virtuoso.trx.old
[14:46] <vHanda> yofel: renaming the trx file fixes the issue?
[14:47] <yofel> yep
[14:52] <vHanda> I think I remember reading a similar bug report as well
[14:52] <vHanda> I'll try reading the virtuoso docs about it
[14:52] <vHanda> otherwise I can always add a patch to delete the trx file if virtuoso failed to start
[15:23] <tsdgeos> guys, kdm package is borked
[15:23] <tsdgeos> Theme=@@@ToBeReplacedByDesktopBase@@@
[15:23] <tsdgeos> gives me a "could not locate @@@ToBeReplacedByDesktopBase@@@" at startup
[15:23] <tsdgeos> saucy
[15:23] <tsdgeos> Riddell: ↑↑↑
[15:26] <Riddell> gosh another kdm user :)
[15:27] <Riddell> tsdgeos: yeah I know, on my todo, but lightdm gets priority so probably not today
[15:27] <tsdgeos> well, you broke my system
[15:27] <tsdgeos> that's kind of sad
[15:28] <BluesKaj> lightdm is still not opening the desktop here either 
[15:29] <Riddell> mm it's be_better_at_honouring_user_kdm_theming.diff at fault, easy fix
[15:30] <Riddell> -Instance: */KDMDATA "/themes/elarun"
[15:30] <Riddell> +Instance: */ "@@@ToBeReplacedByDesktopBase@@@"
[15:30] <Riddell> tsdgeos: fix that in kdm config ^^ ?
[15:30] <tsdgeos> ok, tx
[15:39] <Riddell> yofel: all of raring, quantal and precise dist-upgrade fine and run a plasma destop and a few apps in vnc
[15:40] <yofel> yay, that should be good enough for the backports. I'll copy them
[15:48] <ScottK> Looks like a bad merge from Debian as DesktopBase is a Debianism that I think we don't use.
[15:48] <Riddell> yeah I missed it
[15:48] <Riddell> fixed in 4.10.4
[15:49] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:49] <ScottK> Bug 982889 needs fixing for kdm too.
[15:49] <ScottK> (it's already fixed for lightdm)
[15:50] <Riddell> looks complex
[15:57]  * Riddell runs ./kubuntu-archive-upload for 4.10.4
[16:10] <BluesKaj> nope , lightdm still doesn't load the desktop after logging in ...anyway BBL 
[16:15] <genii> BluesKaj: On raring with ninjas ppa, or saucy ?
[16:15] <Riddell> meh can't run ./kubuntu-archive-upload in an ec2 cos python keyring insists on having a password on cli
[16:21] <saidinesh5> http://paste.kde.org/759998/
[16:22] <saidinesh5> this is interesting
[16:23] <saidinesh5> but the stock amarok works
[16:24] <Mamarok> you seem to have permission isuses...
[16:24] <yofel>  /media/Data -> FAT or NTFS?
[16:52] <BluesKaj> genii, on saucy
[17:32] <genii> BluesKaj: I did dist-upgrade earlier today and rebooted, no issue with lightdm  ( using lightdm-kde-greeter on Saucy with standard repos + xorg-edgers PPA, kubuntu  PPAs ( backports, beta, experimental, ppa ), VLC daily PPA, webupd8 team Oracle Java PPA, mozilla daily PPA
[17:33] <genii> KDE reports version as KDE Development Platform: 4.10.3
[17:34] <BluesKaj> genii, I'm running KDE 4.10.4 
[17:34] <genii> BluesKaj: Different lightdm-kde-greeter version maybe?
[17:35] <genii> apt-cache policy reports 0.3.2.1-0ubuntu4  for the version here
[17:41] <BluesKaj> genii, dunno , but I installed 4.10.4 yesterday and all seemed well until i updated/upgraded this morning ...it's not a big deal to login with the tty and stopping lightdm and doing startx , but it should be reported nonetheless
[17:42] <BluesKaj> genii, bte apt-cache policy "whatapp" ?
[17:42] <BluesKaj> err btw
[17:43] <BluesKaj> bbiab , gonna check postbox
[17:43] <genii> BluesKaj: k
[18:29] <ahoneybun> hello all valorie Darkwing
[18:29] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how are you?
[18:29] <ahoneybun> lordievader: fine yourself?
[18:30] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Doing good, was about to look at the welcome page :)
[18:30] <ahoneybun> lordievader: nice :)
[18:31] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Can we edit teh theme? There are two css files that throw a 404.
[18:31] <ahoneybun> lordievader: theme?
[18:32] <lordievader> I guess it is related to the theme.
[18:33] <lordievader> ahoneybun: These two dont exist: http://paste.kde.org/760058/
[18:34] <ahoneybun> lordievader: where are you seeing that/
[18:34] <ahoneybun> ?
[18:35] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Source of probably all the pages.
[18:35] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Press ctrl + u
[18:35] <ahoneybun> I don't think we have access to the css
[18:36] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Well it's only a minor thing.
[18:37] <ahoneybun> oh
[18:49] <lordievader> ahoneybun: The welcome page is fine imo, don't know what to add/change to make it better...
[18:49] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I just wanted someone to take a look
[18:50] <lordievader> ahoneybun: :)
[18:51] <ahoneybun> :) thats good to hear then
[18:51] <ahoneybun> how is the basic page?
[18:51] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Haven't worked on it the past couple of days.
[18:52] <lordievader> I have the feeling the Wired section goes into too much detail.
[18:53] <ahoneybun> lordievader: thats fine for the wiki, it can be a bit in detail it will be cut a bit on the iso
[18:56] <lordievader> ahoneybun: What I mean is, we target beginners (I usually picture my mom for this sort of thing), telling them ip assignment goes through dhcp is way too much for them. My mother wouldn't know what dhcp is, let alone how it works.
[18:57] <ahoneybun> lordievader: oh yea make it easier then :)
[18:57] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Will do.
[19:01] <ahoneybun> lordievader: your example of your mother is perfect for who we are trying to target
[19:01] <lordievader> ahoneybun: ;) I know
[19:11] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Is it in English grammer common to add a comma (,) in front of an 'and' when summing things up? (In dutch it isn't)
[19:11] <ahoneybun> I think that might be my errors
[19:12] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Okay cool, fixed it ;)
[19:12] <ahoneybun> nice
[19:12] <yofel> hm...
[19:12]  * yofel has no issues with lightdm on current saucy. (4.10.3)
[19:15] <BluesKaj> yofel, 4.10.4 here
[19:15] <BluesKaj> saucy
[19:16] <lordievader> Hmm, guess I need to update then, still running 4.10.3 on my saucy install.
[19:16] <lordievader> Wait, 4.10.4b1 is released somewhere next week, are you sure BluesKaj that you are running 4.10.4?
[19:16] <yofel> lordievader: 4.10.4 is in ninjas
[19:17] <yofel> you're talking about 4.10.80 ;)
[19:17] <BluesKaj> absolutely sure , lordievader
[19:18] <lordievader> Oh I'm confused with 4.11b1 that gets released  june 12.
[19:18] <lordievader> Time to add the ninjas ppa to the saucy install :)
[19:25] <yofel> ah well
[19:25]  * yofel does the same
[19:25] <yofel> the eeePC is only used for testing anyway lately
[19:33] <ahoneybun> can I get any help with making bespin?
[19:38] <ahoneybun> lordievader: excellent work on the Basic page so far!
[19:38] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Thank you :D
[19:39] <ahoneybun> lordievader: love what you did with the repositories part
[19:39] <lordievader> ahoneybun: How is the bit under networking?
[19:39] <BluesKaj> ok ,back ..ISP is binging in new fibre optic service in nearby ities , but not in my town yet :(
[19:39] <lordievader> ahoneybun: The verbose thingies you mean?
[19:39] <BluesKaj> cities
[19:39] <ahoneybun> yes those
[19:39] <ahoneybun> deb something
[19:39] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Thought it made it more readable.
[19:39] <ahoneybun> lordievader: for sure ;)
[19:45] <Quintasan> \o
[21:36] <apachelogger_> ScottK: ping
[21:36] <ScottK> apachelogger_: pong
[21:36] <apachelogger_> ScottK: can you rescore builds?
[21:36] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:37] <apachelogger_> ScottK: bumping these two would help me a lot :) https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/kfilebox/+build/4648530 https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/kfilebox/+build/4648529
[21:41] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Done.
[22:02] <ahoneybun_> valorie: work is going swimmingly
[23:29] <apachelogger_> ScottK: thanks <3
[23:31] <ahoneybun__> Hello all
[23:31] <valorie> ahoneybun: glad to hear it!
[23:32] <valorie> I'm enjoying the digging I'm doing for these software pages
[23:32] <valorie> I want them to be correct though, about what is included in the default install
[23:34] <valorie> ahoneybun__: not quite sure what your last statement in the trello means
[23:34] <valorie> punctuation helps clarity!
[23:35] <ahoneybun__> valorie: glad to hear what?
[23:36] <ahoneybun__> I mean whatever you think would make docs better I will help
[23:39] <valorie> glad to hear that the work goes swimmingly
[23:39] <ahoneybun__> Yep
[23:39] <valorie> ok, well: just add stuff to the bottom section as you think of it, even if you don't have time to write down descriptions or get links
[23:40] <valorie> I keep looking over all the pages and fixing anything I see
[23:40] <ahoneybun__> That's great :-) 
[23:40] <valorie> I've been looking at sites which have lists like "best linux software" to see what people are likely to be looking for
[23:41] <valorie> if it looks good and we have it in the repositories i add it
[23:41] <ahoneybun__> Awesome
[23:41] <valorie> we should get steam in even if we have to link to a page about how specifically to get it working
[23:41] <valorie> about which I haven't a clue
[23:41] <valorie> but I know the interest is high
[23:42] <valorie> same with skype, much as i dislike it's closed nature
[23:42] <valorie> people want it
[23:42] <valorie> at least until they figure out the free alternatives
[23:44] <valorie> also, what do you think about a accessibility section?
[23:44] <ahoneybun__> That is a important goal of KDE as well as Kubuntu
[23:44] <valorie> yes indeed
[23:44] <valorie> I don't know much about it, although I hang out in the #kde-accessibility chan
[23:45] <valorie> but perhaps we can get one of the devels there to help us get it right
[23:45] <ahoneybun__> Yea
[23:45] <valorie> fregl in particular is really passionate and knowledgeable
[23:45] <ahoneybun__> Store.steam powered.com/about has the deb file
[23:46] <valorie> yashshah is a friend of mine
[23:46] <valorie> so perhaps do a page about "how to install and use steam in kubuntu
[23:46] <valorie> and when it's done, link to that from the /software/games page?
[23:47] <ahoneybun__> But it in the games subpage and link to the basic page that deals with installing debs?
[23:47] <valorie> possibly we should have a Communication software page too, although that doesn't seem to be a menu tab
[23:47] <ahoneybun__> Those fall under internet
[23:47] <valorie> I think Steam should have its own page
[23:47] <valorie> because of the interest
[23:48] <valorie> just my opinion
[23:48] <ahoneybun__> True
[23:48] <valorie> if our goal is to have our docs read and used, we have to cater to the audience we want
[23:49] <ahoneybun__> Yea I mostly want them to be useful to all basic and advanced but also to the impaired
[23:49] <valorie> basic is most important, because that's for our new users
[23:50] <valorie> but I think we want to appeal to the average linux user too
[23:50] <valorie> who might be hunting for a new distro
[23:50] <ahoneybun__> But to do that we need it have information they need
[23:50] <valorie> they will know what they *require* in the way of apps
[23:50] <valorie> and so google should send them our way
[23:50] <ahoneybun__> I wanted a KDE distro that worked
[23:51] <valorie> I see people ask that question in #kde all the time
[23:51] <valorie> "what's the best KDE distro"
[23:51] <valorie> and the answer sort of depends on who is listening/responding
[23:51] <valorie> I'd love to see us always mentioned
[23:51] <valorie> :-)
[23:52] <ahoneybun__> I think arch and Kubuntu has the pure KDE 
[23:52] <valorie> but we should appeal to more general linux users too
[23:52] <valorie> not just people who already love KDE
[23:52] <valorie> lots of people are fed up with unity and gnome
[23:53] <valorie> anyway, it's dinner time
[23:53] <valorie> and I won't be back for about 4 more hours
[23:53] <valorie> I'll work more then
[23:53] <ahoneybun__> Steam as /software/games/stean.?
[23:53] <ahoneybun__> Steam
[23:53] <valorie> sure, that works