[00:12] <jbicha> darkxst: landscape-client-ui has a settings panel that needs to be in the whitelist
[00:17] <darkxst> jbicha, ok, are there any others
[00:23] <jbicha> ubuntuone-installer and software-properties-gtk
[01:31] <darkxst> updated
[01:46] <bjsnider> sounds like there's a lot of time being spent trying to get gnome and unity to play nice
[02:02] <jbicha> darkxst: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/account-plugins/0.11daily13.06.06-0ubuntu1 :)
[02:22] <darkxst> jbicha, datetime issue is due to conflicting symbols
[02:26] <darkxst> need to rename all public functions in libtimezonemap
[02:33] <jbicha> could you file a bug for that?
[02:34] <darkxst> jbicha, yes will do
[02:37] <jbicha> I wonder why I see Backup when I run XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity gnome-control-center but not in GNOME
[02:38] <darkxst> jbicha, OnlyShowIn setting?
[02:40] <jbicha> I believe it is OnlyShowIn=GNOME;Unity:
[02:40] <darkxst> jbicha, its working here
[02:51] <darkxst> bug 1187981
[04:36] <kesavan> unable to boot after checking battery status
[04:40] <kesavan>  the gdm fails to get me into the Xserver
[08:28] <ricotz> darkxst, hi :), why wasnt the splitted gdm package used for saucy? if this was rejected then saucy package could be copied to staging?
[09:16] <erle-> somehow the gnome3 ppa uninstalled half of my ubuntu
[09:16] <erle-> is that a known issue?
[09:20] <phako> and on top of that installing half a KE
[09:20] <phako> KDE
[09:21] <erle-> phako, you joking or did that happen?
[09:21] <erle-> in fact gnome ppa did a lot of funny stuff with java and qt
[09:21] <erle-> dunno how
[09:22] <phako> http://fpaste.org/16907/51052513/
[09:22] <erle-> i had that and started it ...
[09:22] <erle-> i came home from a longer journey
[09:23] <erle-> so i was expecting lots of updates
[09:23] <erle-> lol
[09:25] <darkxst> ricotz, it should have been used for saucy
[12:24] <meet> should I upgrade my gnome 3.6 to 3.8? Ubuntu-gnome 13.04. I have seen the additions and really interested. But what all disadvantages may be there?
[12:25] <mgedmin> I haven't noticed any
[12:25] <mgedmin> I'm using the gnome 3 ppa but not the staging ppa
[12:26] <mgedmin> (the staging ppa is where all the disadvantages live; and no, I don't have a list)
[12:28] <meet> mgedmin: last time I tried my ubuntu software center broke. It crashed immediately. not a big deal. But so i was wondering what all are discrepancies are there.
[12:28] <mgedmin> let me try
[12:29] <mgedmin> yup, crashes on startup
[12:29] <mgedmin> lovely
[12:29] <jbicha> meet: the software center issue is bug 1163886 and hasn't been fixed yet
[12:30] <Forage> What is the purpose of the mcp-account-manager-goa package?
[12:30] <Forage> Should it be installed alongside mcp-account-manager-uoa even when it is not by default on Ubuntu?
[12:40] <meet> So any other known major issues?
[15:17] <jbicha_> ricotz: do you have any insight into what's breaking for bug 1187938?
[15:18] <jbicha_> I can't reproduce in my raring chroot...maybe it only affects upgrades?
[15:21] <min|dvir1us> Hey, is it just me or is the GNOME3 PPA broken?
[15:27] <ronj> min|dvir1us, yes, see https://launchpad.net/bugs/1187938 and hold your up the upgrade till it's fixed
[15:31] <ricotz> jbicha, hi, i can't reproduce this, luckily i have an older gnome3-ppa-only raring vm where apt resolves the harfbuzz/pango/webkit transition fine
[15:31] <jbicha> ricotz: uh, so do we recommend people ppa-purge then add the ppa again?
[15:32] <ricotz> i am curious what the partial upgrade looks like and people should perfom an apt-get upgrade first
[15:32] <jbicha> ronj: could you try an apt-get upgrade?
[15:37] <ronj> jbicha ricotz, same problem, log: http://pastebin.com/66TJSjiE
[15:37] <ronj> note I didn't ppa-purge before, and ran dist-upgrade (not upgrade)
[15:38] <jbicha> what about just an apt-get upgrade?
[15:38] <ronj> trying
[15:38] <ronj> jbicha, looks good indeed, http://pastebin.com/PdKVkDrJ
[15:39] <ronj> how can that be? isn't dist-upgrade supposed to be smarter than upgrade?
[15:39] <ricotz> ronj, i see you have a lot of external repos enabled which can be a problem
[15:39] <ricotz> ronj, it just holds back some things
[15:39] <ricotz> ronj, do an upgrade and try dist-upgrade after that
[15:39] <ronj> k
[15:44] <ronj> ricotz jbicha, the upgrade went well, but trying dist-upgrade after I'm still being asked to remove half my system: http://pastebin.com/C74B5RKv
[15:45] <ricotz> ronj, what is the output of "apt-cache rdepends libharfbuzz0"
[15:45] <ronj> ricotz, http://pastebin.com/b9gvekt8
[15:57] <ricotz> ronj, can't say why this is happening for you
[15:58] <ronj> ricotz, maybe I could start ask people on the LP bug some common points? maybe we could start listing our PPAs?
[15:58] <ronj> what else?
[15:58] <ricotz> ronj, which other repos are you using?
[15:59] <jbicha> ronj: do you get any different output if you try something like 'apt-get install libpango-1.0-0'
[15:59] <ronj> Official "Partners", Official "Independent"/Extras, Steam, Dropbox, Chrome, Shutter, WebUpd8/Java, TLP
[16:00] <ricotz> ronj, please list the urls
[16:00] <ronj> jbicha, no, apt-get install libpango-1.0-0 ask for the same deletions
[16:00] <ricotz> ronj, i am suspecting the chrome repo
[16:04] <ronj> ricotz, Official "Partners": http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu:raring:partner, Official "Independent"/Extras: http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu:raring:main, Steam: http://repo.steampowered.com/steam/:precise:steam, Dropbox: http://linux.dropbox.com/ubuntu:precise:main, Chrome: http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/:stable:main, WebUpd8/Java: http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu:raring:main, TLP: http://ppa.launchpad.net/linrunner/tlp/ubuntu:r
[16:04] <ronj> aring:main
[16:08] <ronj> ppa-purging the chrome repo
[16:09] <bjsnider> hm, chrome only offers the browser here as far as packages go
[16:09] <ricotz> ronj, this is just an idea though
[16:10] <bjsnider> does have a long list of dependencies
[16:19] <ronj> well maybe, anyway, I'm not even able to ppa-purge it, even when using the -d -p -s options ( sudo ppa-purge -p main -d stable -s dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb ), it tells me "Warning:  Required ppa-name argument was not specified"
[16:20] <jbicha> ronj: just uninstall your chrome package(s)
[16:20] <ricotz> ronj, this is not a ppa, you added it manually
[16:21] <ricotz> but i guess this chrome repo isnt the problem
[16:21] <ronj> jbicha, this I did (I even purged), same result. ricotz, more or less, that's something the Chrome .deb does automatically when installing
[16:22] <ricotz> ronj, are you familiar with aptitude?
[16:23] <ronj> ricotz, no I'm more used to synaptic, but I can test stuff in aptitude if you guide me
[16:23] <ricotz> ronj, using synaptic result in similar problems?
[16:25] <ronj> ricotz, yeah if I "reload" then "mark all upgrades", it takes the exact same decision as apt-get: tons of packages "To be removed", six libpango/libpangocairo/libjavascriptcoregtk to be upgraded
[16:27] <ricotz> ronj, do you have pinned packages or repos with higher priority?
[16:28] <ronj> ricotz, I don't know what these two things are, can you tell me where to look?
[16:28] <ricotz> ronj, are there files in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ ?
[16:28] <min|dvir1us> ronj: thanks.
[16:28] <ronj> /etc/apt/preferences.d/ is empty
[16:29] <min|dvir1us> Why was a broken dependency tree released in the first place? Are there not safeguards against that?
[16:30] <ricotz> ronj, ok
[16:30] <ronj> min|dvir|us-work, there are, but tests from the team cannot cover all ppa/system combinations everywhere
[16:31] <min|dvir|us-work> I see.
[16:31] <min|dvir|us-work> Is there any ETA?
[16:31] <ricotz> min|dvir|us-work, nothing broken is broken, there was a transition
[16:31] <ricotz> min|dvir|us-work, do you use other repos besides the gnome3 ppa?
[16:31] <min|dvir|us-work> Some, but none that should conflict.
[16:31] <min|dvir|us-work> Perhaps xorg-edgers?
[16:32] <ronj> probably no, I don't have that one
[16:32] <ronj> can you list all of them with their url?
[16:33] <ronj> ricotz, maybe that's already something clear for you, but I repeat it just in case: I've been in the boat five days ago, but it was solved, and it just reappeared yesterday. did something change on the GNOME3 PPA yesterday?
[16:34] <jbicha> yes we pushed an updated webkit and pango libraries 2 days ago
[16:34] <min|dvir|us-work> ronj: https://gist.github.com/dan-transparensee/e30e87136c7523a0c462
[16:34] <ricotz> ronj, what jbicha said ^
[16:35] <ronj> ok
[16:35] <ronj> min|dvir|us-work, our only common points are Dropbox & Steam
[16:35] <ronj> which provide 1 or 2 packages each :-/
[16:36] <min|dvir|us-work> Perhaps I am ignorant to all the facts but I believe a PPA conflict is not at fault.
[16:36] <ricotz> ronj, min|dvir|us-work, at least dropbox provides a raring pocket which you should use instead of the precise one
[16:37] <min|dvir|us-work> ricotz: oh, sweet. :)
[16:38] <jbicha> ronj: so you could try ppa-purging the gnome3 ppa and re-adding it
[16:40] <ronj> ok trying, if that's our last option
[16:42] <ronj> jbicha, The following packages have unmet dependencies: libharfbuzz-dev : Depends: libharfbuzz0 (= 0.9.13-1) but 0.9.17-4~raring1 is installed. The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Remove the following packages: 1)     libgtk-3-dev 2)     libgtk2.0-dev 3)     libharfbuzz-dev 4)     libpango1.0-dev
[16:42] <ronj> pick my poison
[16:43] <ronj> 3?
[16:43] <jbicha> ronj: sure, you don't need those -dev packages, do you? anyway you can reinstall them afterwards
[16:43] <jbicha> just enter y
[16:43] <ronj> well I need 1 & 2 yeah, but will reinstall later
[16:50] <ronj> jbicha, that did not exactly go well: http://pastebin.com/kNNpyPM8
[16:54] <jbicha> it shouldn't break that badly
[16:54] <jbicha> sudo apt-get -f install
[16:59] <ronj> jbicha, even if http://pastebin.com/EfDU8FKp ?
[17:02] <jbicha> ronj: personally I would hit 'y' and then install ubuntu-gnome-desktop and unity and unity-tweak-tool (and whatever else) again afterwards
[17:03] <ronj> yup, just wanted to be sure
[17:06] <ronj> jbicha, ppa purged, answering y to everything, but now I cannot install ubuntu-gnome-desktop: http://pastebin.com/dU5HPAYa
[17:07] <jbicha> ok, pick one of those dependencies and try to install it (like gedit)
[17:11] <ronj> jbicha, The following packages have unmet dependencies: gedit : Depends: gedit-common (< 3.7) but 3.8.2-0ubuntu1~raring2 is to be installed
[17:11] <ronj> oÔ , seems ppa-purge didn't do its job?
[17:13] <jbicha> run sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 then ppa-purge it again I guess
[17:26] <ronj> jbicha ricotz, I just successfully ppa-purged, was able to install ubuntu-gnome-desktop and am back to 3.6, but when I re-add the PPA and dist-upgrade, the problem is still present
[17:32] <jbicha> ronj: I'm thinking ricotz' theory about some other PPA interfering is sounding more likely
[17:34] <ronj> jbicha, I had a look at the pool folders of the few PPAs I'm using and don't see much...
[17:35] <ronj> also, min|dvir|us-work had the same problem, and we only shared two quite self-contained PPAs: Dropbox, and Steam
[17:42] <jbicha> what's the dist-upgrade look like this time?
[17:48] <ronj> jbicha, http://pastebin.com/ZVXNk5La
[17:52] <ronj> jbicha, note I was able to upgrade before that, which ran and upgraded stuff, here's the output of upgrade now: http://pastebin.com/qYz73GQJ
[17:54] <ronj> hmmm just got a pb. report from a friend that I converted to Ubuntu GNOME
[18:01] <jbicha> I can't figure out what the problem is either and we can't fix a problem that we can't identify :(
[18:01] <jbicha> maybe see if you can reproduce it from a new 13.04 install
[18:03] <bjsnider> ronj, what is the result if you try apt-get upgrade?
[18:03] <ronj> bjsnider, <ronj> jbicha, note I was able to upgrade before that, which ran and upgraded stuff, here's the output of upgrade now: http://pastebin.com/qYz73GQJ
[18:04] <ricotz> jbicha, using a live-cd session of raring, adding gnome3-ppa and upgrade works as expected
[18:06] <ricotz> ah sorry, i didnt look as expected :\
 maybe see if you can reproduce it from a new 13.04 install >> sorry, I don't want to mess any more with my main machine, and my 2nd one is freezed to test another Ubuntu bug
[18:09] <bjsnider> ronj, try apt-get install on each of those 74 packages one by one
[18:09] <bjsnider> maybe it will only push back on one of them
[18:10] <bjsnider> the two libpango packages are the ones kept back on the dist-upgrade though, so maybe do them first
[18:16] <ronj> bjsnider ricotz jbicha, was able to sudo apt-get install libpango1.0-0, which just asked to remove a few :i386 things
[18:16] <ronj> now if I try to dist-upgrade, the only remaining thing that apt-get want me to remove is libmutter0a
[18:17] <ronj> could our problem be due to these i386 packages?
[18:17] <jbicha> and libmutter0a is ok to remove :)
[18:17] <ronj> maybe the ones installed by steam?
[18:17] <bjsnider> well what the hell is going on with that pango package
[18:17] <bjsnider> where did it come from
[18:18] <ronj> the three of us concerned here (my friend, me, and min|dvir|us-work) did use Steam
[18:18] <ronj> and I think it installs a crapload of i386 stuff
[18:19] <ronj> the other package I use that does that AFAIK is Skype
[18:22] <ronj> ok, dist-upgrade finished cleanly, back to a sane state
[18:23] <ronj> Thanks a lot! Posting what I did on bug 1187938
[18:23] <ronj> I'm still available for more tests, feel free to ping me
[18:24] <bjsnider> have you still got the info on which i386 libs were forced out?
[18:27] <ronj> bjsnider, yes: http://pastebin.com/jp7cpmwT , lines 21 & 22
[18:28] <bjsnider> look how it orphans all of those i396 packages
[18:28] <bjsnider> or i386
[18:28] <jbicha> ronj: do you use teamviewer?
[18:29] <ronj> bjsnider, I used it once yes
[18:29] <ronj> may be the culprit too...
[18:29] <ronj> asking my friend
[18:29] <jbicha> is teamviewer installable?
[18:33] <ronj> jbicha, yes: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux.aspx , however note my friend with the same problem did not have it
[18:34] <bjsnider> there's also libharfbuzz0 vs libharfbuzz0a
[18:36] <bjsnider> ronj, what happens if you try to install libharfbuzz0 ?
[18:37] <ronj> I posted a summary of what I did here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1187938/comments/4
[18:38] <ronj> bjsnider, hell happens: http://pastebin.com/ghRcT4aL
[18:39] <bjsnider> libharfbuzz0 and libharfbuzz0a must be packaged so they're mutually exclusive
[18:39] <bjsnider> where do they originate?
[18:40] <ricotz> bjsnider, libharfbuzz0 is deprecated and libharfbuzz0a the new one
[18:40] <bjsnider> why would he still have the deprecated one?
[18:40] <bjsnider> anyway, i guess that's the issue
[18:40] <jbicha> bjsnider: yes but that shouldn't be a problem; they're in the harfbuzz package
[18:40] <ricotz> the pango and harfbuzz changes originate from debian and saucy
 why would he still have the deprecated one? >> I don't have libharfbuzz0 installed
[18:43] <bjsnider> ronj, you did though
[18:43] <ronj> oh ok
[18:43] <ronj> sry
[18:43] <bjsnider> http://pastebin.com/jp7cpmwT
[18:43] <bjsnider> it's one of the ones going to be removed and the new one replaces it
[18:44] <bjsnider> and then when you tried to install the old one again it threatened to rip your guts out
[19:57] <ronj> ricotz jbicha bjsnider, my friend who was in the same boat just fixed his machine; exact same steps as me: purge, re-add ubuntu-gnome-desktop, re-add ppa, update (updating ~30 packages), install libpango (removing ~18 i386 packages), dist-upgrade (removing libmutter0a and updating the rest of the packages)
[20:00] <ronj> I meant: ...upgrade (updating ~30 packages)...
[20:00] <ronj> not update
[20:02] <jbicha> the purge shouldn't be necessary, you just need to force install libpango-1.0-0
[21:04] <ronj> ok thx, added the info to the bug