[05:56] <redtape|renegade> Great .. another half whited night of coding completed and all I have is the LAS to thank for it.
[06:00] <redtape|renegade> Counting down till pillow time .. commencing .. -90min.. | sod this; it's time for the TDK C90 mix-tape and some cherios .. choco one's of course !
[06:18] <sebsebseb> redtap|away: Cherios orignal ones,  nice :)
[06:20] <redtape|renegade> sebsebseb: How do I mark myself as away .. without it making a reference on the messages ?#
[06:21] <sebsebseb> redtape|renegade: hmm?
[06:22] <redtape|renegade> no worries if you dont understand  .. I'm just trying to get my name in 'italics' on the member list of this channel to say 'I'm away' .. I ask later sometime ..
[06:26] <redtape|renegade> sebsebseb: Dunno where you are UTC-wize  Espagnol perhaps ? [ http://youtu.be/XUN63Mh2FfM ]
[06:29] <sebsebseb> redtape|renegade: nope England
[06:29] <redtape|renegade> Are you good with start-ups ?
[06:30] <sebsebseb> start ups ???
[06:30] <redtape|renegade> What dont you understand /
[06:32]  * redtape|renegade checks his youtube spy-glass for news from the !bul .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=demnc4sQ0VI
[06:33] <dwatkins>  /away
[06:33] <dwatkins> like that, redtap|away
[06:33] <dwatkins> otherwise, it's just nickspam
[06:33] <redtap|away> that's wat i did do ..
[06:34] <redtap|away> chatzilla is not playing with me, today ..
[06:36] <dwatkins> No, you changed your nick ;)
[06:39] <redtap|away> dwatkins: U be Ever persistent ..  Is that so ? Why did it tell me to use the /back command afterwards then ? As in here ... http://bit.ly/11mwJ0x
[06:41] <dwatkins> "You are always here" you mean, redtap|away?
[06:42] <dwatkins> That's a factor of whatever IRC client you're using, redtap|away - perhaps it's mentioned in the documentation, but it probably has a setting to additionally change your nick when you're "away".
[06:42] <dwatkins> ChatZilla 0.9.90 apparently.
[06:42] <redtap|away> I know .. I'm just too tired to find the needle in the hay stack ..
[06:47] <redtap|away> Anyone see the LAS on Sunday ? http://youtu.be/iyiaiF_-A2M?t=2m35s   .. anyway the bigest Ubuntu users in the geek media have switched .. ouch.
[06:47] <redtap|away> Whhopsie
[06:49] <dwatkins> I have XBMC on a Raspberry Pi, so anything's possible.
[06:49] <redtape|renegade> Yeah, I lol'd at that too.
[06:50] <dwatkins> "the bigest Ubuntu users in the geek media have switched" - do you have a text link for this? I don't hear a mention of it in this video yet
[06:50] <redtape|renegade> i think it's 40 mins in .. onward ..
[06:50]  * dwatkins closes the tab on the mention that they're sponsored by godaddy
[06:57] <redtape|renegade> dwatkins: That kinda stuff is ingrained in them .. they're Yankeedoodle's anyway . there is a better playlist info somewhere (if I could find it .. try here .. http://bit.ly/18QDfBX ) |  .. but the info starts at 45mins .. and I like it ..
[06:58] <redtape|renegade> Prob,ly get a kicking for saying that thou.
[07:00] <dwatkins> They're americans who draw things?
[07:01] <redtape|renegade> "draw things" .. no just Yanks
[07:01] <MooDoo> morning
[07:01] <dwatkins> allo MooDoo
[07:05] <redtape|renegade> Dunno if you saw that video at [07:32 am] but the PM is back today .. so It looks like it's going to tear gas at dawn .. again .
[07:05] <MooDoo> ?
[07:06] <dwatkins> Whowhat?
[07:07] <redtape|renegade> OT | <-- seriusly lacking that part of my vocab recentlty ( not this PM .. in Turkey)
[07:07] <MooDoo> oh right.
[07:07] <dwatkins> OT? PM? Off topic? Prime Minister?
[07:09] <redtape|renegade> I've seen worse .. two pizza were used as frizvbie's on my patio at 5am this morning .. the TT is going as per usual.
[07:09] <redtape|renegade> **pizzas
[07:10] <MooDoo> TT o/
[07:12] <redtape|renegade> OT | .. it was going well till next doors dog thought the red-arrows were going to crash through the front gate ..
[07:20]  * redtape|renegade makes a note to the Bk.manager about getting a spanking new Harley .. http://bit.ly/11mzgI3  | MooDoo You a biker ?
[07:24] <MooDoo> redtape|renegade: yes sir :)
[07:24] <MooDoo> Bandit 600   wheelie machine ;)
[07:25] <redtape|renegade> right 0k then .. I usu. just ride pillion .. but enjoyable ..
[07:34] <diplo> Morning all
[07:35] <MooDoo> morning dip
[07:35] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[07:36] <diplo> heh, morning mate. Did I notice from your G+ posts you're a Fedora user now ?
[07:39] <MooDoo> diplo: only in a virtual machine, I'm predominately a LTS user
[07:40] <MooDoo> diplo: although I do use Fedora a bit for mentoring ambassadors.
[07:40] <diplo> :)
[07:42] <redtape|renegade> OT | Has anyone ever tried NikWax ?? http://www.nikwax.com/en-gb/webquiz/index.php [I'm not advertising, just wanna know if it works]
[07:51] <christel> morning
[07:52] <diplo> Morning christel, and redtape|renegade nope never seen it
[07:52] <redtape|renegade> ok
[07:53] <redtape|renegade> Morning christel .. time to get cranky with raring again .. sigh.
[07:53] <MooDoo> morning christel
[07:55] <christel> i am cranky today
[07:55] <christel> very very cranky
[07:55] <diplo> ut oh
[07:56]  * diplo backs away
[07:56] <christel> hehe
[07:56] <redtape|renegade> christel: Yoke .. wat ya pedellin' ?
[07:57]  * MooDoo gives christel a peck on the cheek, it'll be fine, you're here now ;)
[07:57] <christel> these ddos attacks are just hitting freenode to the point where we're really struggling to ducttape the place together
[07:57] <MooDoo> yay DDoS [we've just had a load too]
[07:57] <christel> we're losing server sponsors left, right and centre (sadly those that have been with us for 10+ years)
[07:57] <diplo> Worked out where they're originating from ?
[07:57]  * redtape|renegade gives christel a 'golf clap' for her efforts ..
[07:58] <christel> and we just lost our main DNS provider as they can't withstand more of the sort of attacks they had yesterday (23Gbps)
[07:58] <MooDoo> ouch
[07:58] <christel> diplo: no, we're being hit by a UDP + SNMP reflection attack targetting tons of our servers from spoofed sources....
[07:59] <redtape|renegade> well .. bill G needs a hobby ..
[08:00] <diplo> :(
[08:01] <redtape|renegade> christel: Can't you just do a re-direct to the Alternative ISO or something ?
[08:01]  * redtape|renegade admits it's beyond his experience ..
[08:02] <diplo> Do Canonical host any servers?
[08:03] <diplo> Wondering with all their new partnerships, they maybe able to host some
[08:06]  * redtape|renegade slaps on ample amounts & splatterings of sticky sun factor 50. http://open.spotify.com/track/4ptSL1o2pRgNvrC4wsN1Pl
[08:06] <christel> they don't no -- i think a lot of companies/organisations are loathe to do so considering the recent attacks mind
[08:07] <christel> the reason our existing sponsors like OSUOSL and several other well-connected universities have had to pull out is because the sustained attacks recently has been of such magnitude that it is costing them too much money
[08:08] <redtape|renegade> Why ?   , How much would you say 23Gb's of damage would cost ?
[08:08] <diplo> That really sucks, can't see why someone would ddos Freenode, understand some other networks being a bit dodgey etc
[08:08] <christel> the hosting companies that have had to pull out have had to do so for purely financial reasons as the domino effect on their paying customers means that they end up paying out for SLA violations, etc.
[08:08] <christel> diplo: i suspect mainly because "they can"
[08:09] <christel> sadly we have grown to become the largest irc network out there (which is great in so far that it must mean that more and more foss-y folk are turning up but meh in the way that it makes us more attractive for those that don't get what we're about and just want to cause problems for people)
[08:10] <christel> redtape|renegade: well, we've had sponsors who have been taken down for a week+ due to persistent attacks
[08:11] <redtape|renegade> christel: I see .. kinda untangible .. but disastorous all the same .. oh poo !
[08:11] <diplo> :/
[08:11] <christel> so i suspect in way of money lost by their paying clients followed by money lost by them followed by any charges they incur due to SLA, etc. violations along with resources by way of manpower spent trying to work on the issues, etc. etc it probably mounts up to a fairly hefty amount for most of them
[08:12] <diplo> What are you doing ( Freenode ) to try and curb it ( if you know ? ) Police etc involved like the spamhaus attack ?
[08:12] <christel> we pass on what we have of logs to law enforcement, but historically that yields nil or very little
[08:13] <christel> we also work with some security type companies like team cymru etc
[08:13] <diplo> sometimes glad we're so small a company that we're overlooked.
[08:14] <diplo> I still feel that all the companies that benefit from Freenode should maybe take up the strain a bit for you guys and all the work you put in
[08:14] <redtape|renegade> christel, This may sound a bit loopy, but why don't you split the network ?
[08:15] <diplo> Hmm ubuntu is on the acknowledgements page
[08:15] <diplo> ah, no direct financial support :)
[08:16] <christel> redtape|renegade: split it how? :)
[08:17]  * redtape|renegade realises that would mean splitting freenode .. and scurries off to the idiot corner to find his hat .. :(
[08:17] <christel> hehe
[08:18] <diplo> If I was still at my last work place I'd offer up a server to host
[08:18] <redtape|renegade> (they did it on the 2600 network )
[08:18] <diplo> Suppose I could still take over a box there :D
[08:19] <christel> the saddest thing is that "freenode" doesn't suffer perse -- some individual volunteers do by way of having to invest more time trying to keep the network up (and thus falling behind in their jobs, etc.) -- but bar that we don't really suffer much from the attacks
[08:19] <diplo> Think I may get shouted at here sustaining a 2-3mb link :)
[08:20] <diplo> Do they need more 'volunteers' then ?
[08:20] <christel> it affects the projects that use freenode by causing interruption and it affects our sponsors (financially and by causing disruption to their networks)
[08:21] <christel> yeah, we always need volunteers -- manpower-wise we're lagging way behind (people keep doing weird stuff like having babies and getting married) and the network has been growing by around 10K users per year since 2006, the volunteer base does unfortunately not grow in a way corresponding to user growth so we sort of all end up a bit thinly spread :)
[08:22] <diplo> Well I sit on here all day at work, and don't do a huge amount in the evenings.. especially when I have sproglets so I suppose I ought to do something :)
[08:22] <MooDoo> christel: so what kind of people do you need ps i'm married and have 2 children already ;)
[08:23] <diplo> heh MooDoo, responsible people who spend hours on IRC :D
[08:23] <MooDoo> I'm at work now, and luckly I can ssh into my server at home and IRC
[08:23] <diplo> Moi aussi :)
[08:24] <christel> hehe /11
[08:25] <christel> we need i dunno, people who don't get freaked out/angry too easily (because you will face a lot of stupidity), someone who can adapt well to being part of a fairly small team (with a bizarre, twisted sense of humour) and who are able to step back and take a break before they suffer burnout :)
[08:25] <redtape|renegade> you should all think yourselves lucky .. least you had a good night's sleep ...
[08:26] <MooDoo> christel: doesn't sound to hard, especially as I deal with that kind of thing all the time lol
[08:26] <diplo> redtape|renegade: I sleep about 4 hours a night, been a while since a good nights sleep :)_
[08:27] <diplo> Same here, I used to cover a few channels on Quakenet, then I had kids :)
[08:27] <redtape|renegade> diplo , Veno's helps, but i ran out :\
[08:27] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:27] <diplo> Don't drink anymore either ( well maybe an odd pint )
[08:27] <diplo> Morning brobostigon
[08:28] <christel> diplo: it might drive you to drink mind...
[08:28]  * dwatkins wonders if the "authorities" might even be behind the DDoS attacks, to try and take down IRC as a possible means of communication with botnets
[08:28] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[08:28] <MooDoo> christel: I think you're getting hints from a number of potential volunteers here :d
[08:29]  * redtape|renegade peeks from under his dope hat   ::::: Volunteers !!?!
[08:31] <redtape|renegade> leaves.
[08:33] <christel> aw!
[08:33]  * christel might very well take you up on your offer
[08:34] <christel> (see your pm/status window)
[08:36] <christel> MooDoo: you too!
[08:39] <brobostigon> mornings christel
[08:39] <christel> hullu brobostigon :D
[08:39] <brobostigon> :)
[08:40] <DJones> christel: I think you'd probably get quite a few volunteers from a lot of IRC regulars, specially the ones who've stuck around for a number of years if you ever put a call out for volunteers, sadly, I think you'd also be deluged by the many trollish applicants as well
[08:41] <MooDoo> identified, sorry about that
[08:41] <MooDoo> ooops
[08:41] <christel> DJones: yeah, historically we find that when we do an "official" call for volunteers we'll get a few hundred "applications" -- narrow it down and after a short initial phase we sort of end up with maybe 1/3rd of the ones we selected
[08:42] <christel> in the olden days when the network was smaller we had more luck in the way of recruiting at ease because we had more of a chance to get to know users/projects and were in a better position to gauge suitability so that we could simply approach people -- these days there are so many users and so much noise that we tend to remember the "problem users" rather than the "decent users" :)
[08:44] <brobostigon> ah,
[08:44] <christel> mind, we've had most success when picking people we knew from projects rather than doing the whole "please apply here" thing
[08:45] <DJones> christel: I'd agree with that from my own experience with the Ubuntu community, you recognise the good helpers because you see them almost every day giving good advice & support, trolls stick in your mind even if they only troll once or twice a month because they get noticed and have to be discussed & dealt with, everybody else gets to be a bit of a blur
[08:45] <brobostigon> makes sense really, as you will know those people better, than unknown fremde applicants.
[08:46] <christel> tho it means that we go through phases, once upon a time staff were full of debianites... then they created oftc... then in my gentoo dev days we were full of gentoo folk.. these days we seem to like ubuntu people!
[08:46] <Laney> wibble
[08:46] <christel> (my thinking is that ubuntu folk has already signed the CoC and therefore agree to be nice-ish!)
[08:46] <christel> ;)
[08:46] <brobostigon> wobble
[08:46] <christel> DJones: yeah, very much so :)
[08:55] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Yo-yo Day! :-D
[08:55] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[08:55] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[08:56] <brobostigon> :)
[08:57] <christel> JamesTait :D
[09:00] <czajkowski> kg
[09:00] <Laney> lb
[09:03] <dwatkins> well I guess I'll have to wait until I get home to find out why my server didn't reboot into Pangolin
[09:09] <diplo> dwatkins: Failed the update in the end then ? :(
[09:09] <MooDoo> diplo: yay
[09:09] <MooDoo> diplo: figured out ssl
[09:10] <diplo> I haven't retried yet, failed on the verify for me :)
[09:10] <diplo> Will do shortly
[09:14] <MooDoo> diplo: wow it's all so confusin ;)
[09:14] <diplo> heh yep
[09:15] <dwatkins> diplo: it might be sat at some "press a key to continue" message I can't access
[09:15] <diplo> bah :/
[09:15] <Myrtti> I can't help  much but you can always poke me
[09:16]  * MooDoo hugs Myrtti :)
[09:16] <Myrtti> which part are ...
[09:16] <Myrtti> you failing in
[09:17] <diplo> OK connected over ssl now :)
[09:18] <diplo> Going to have to read up on more stuff with Irssi now though
[09:20] <MooDoo> diplo: you and me both lol
[09:21] <diplo> Used to the Quakenet days with using mIRC and NoScript to do all the commands for me
[09:23] <DJones> diplo: Is there much benefit to connecting via ssl
[09:24] <MooDoo> DJones: yes if you're in certain channels
[09:25] <DJones> Right
[09:28] <diplo> christel / Myrtti : Want to do the honors again when you get a chance ?
[09:28] <christel> you can just join :)
[09:29]  * Laney remembers nnscript
[09:29] <Laney> and writing bots in mIRCscript
[09:29] <Myrtti> DJones: ssl itself just gives a tiny bit more peace of mind, I personally value SASL more on utilitarian grounds
[09:29] <MooDoo> diplo: you've had a flag set, apparently we've both been violated when we logged out :)
[09:29] <Laney> good days
[09:29] <diplo> christel: Says I must be invited ?
[09:30] <christel> you need to identify to nickserv first
[09:30] <diplo> hmm, auto does that.. ok I'll do it manually
[09:31] <Myrtti> diplo: sasl
[09:31] <Myrtti> diplo: http://freenode.net/sasl/
[09:31] <DJones> I might have a look at that tomorrow, if all goes to plan, thats my job for the day, setting up a replacement server, possibly configure that once I get a clean install of Ubuntu/irssi etc
[09:32] <diplo> Reading up on that now Myrtti thanks
[09:32] <Myrtti> tmux irssi irssi-scripts libcrypt-blowfish-perl libcrypt-dh-perl libcrypt-openssl-bignum-perl libdbi-perl sqlite3 libdbd-sqlite3-perl
[09:36] <Myrtti> irssi scriptwise: autowhois, splitlong, anames, bansearch, cap_sasl, format_identify, trackbar, stalker, ignore_log, tmux_away and if you've got an Android phone, irssinotifier
[09:38] <diplo> Quite a few I don't have there, will grab shortly
[09:43] <christel> don't get stalker, it is frowned upon -- i am forever telling staff off for using it! ;)
[09:44] <Laney> why?
[09:44] <christel> because i find it to be incredibly intrusive towards users to use the sort of scripts that for all intents and purposes allows us to track them and make assumptions based on previous hostname matches
[09:45] <christel> it sort of doesnt sit well with our whole catalytic approach to being nice and transparent and all that jazz
[09:46] <diplo> OK :)
[09:47] <Myrtti> EEEP A WASP
[09:47] <Laney> interesting
[09:48] <Myrtti> while we're at it, does anyone else fancy a cloak?
[09:48] <christel> or becoming staff? myrtti looks like she's ready to start mentoring some people i reckon...
[09:49] <DJones> christel: I'll put my name forward to help out, always glad to help
[09:50]  * Laney has a cool cloak
[09:50] <Laney> although I think the donor part should have expired by now
[09:51] <Myrtti> christel: mmm
[09:51] <Laney> oh that's interesting, pdpc went away
[10:15] <davmor2> morning all
[10:18] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 :)
[10:20] <davmor2> morning mucka ow am ya
[10:25] <Seeker`> Myrtti: what sort of cloaks can you do?
[10:26] <davmor2> Seeker`: there are no invisibility cloaks calm back down ;)
[10:26] <Myrtti> Seeker`: unaffiliated unless I hear from a person who has the rights to ask for others
[10:26] <Seeker`> ah, already got one of those
[10:27] <Myrtti> technically I can do all the cloaks but I think AlanBell might protest if I give everyone a Ubuntu member cloak
[10:27] <Myrtti> or cz<tab>
[10:27] <Myrtti> or others
[10:27]  * Myrtti waves her hand around
[10:27] <Myrtti> them Ubuntu people
[10:27] <Seeker`> crazy peoples
[10:29] <davmor2> Myrtti: I'm an Ubuntu Member can I get that cloak :)  /me never bothered in the past :D
[10:30] <Myrtti> ask AlanBell
[10:30] <Myrtti> he'll then ask me.
[10:30] <Myrtti> also, you need to be identified to your account
[10:30] <Myrtti> it won't work without
[10:31] <davmor2> Myrtti: I thought I was
[10:31] <Myrtti> nope
[10:32] <davmor2> Myrtti: oh is there a doc for doing that somewhere please
[10:32] <MooDoo> omg they are mad, mad i tell you
[10:33] <Myrtti> doing what, identifying? http://freenode.net/sasl/ might give you some pointers ;-)
[10:34] <Myrtti> mind you, there was some disturbance in the force so you not being identified might be due to that
[10:38] <czajkowski> Myrtti: :)
[10:38] <diplo> yeah I've had issues with it not identifying twice this morning
[10:39]  * bigcalm shakes fist at VirginMedia and then goes back to work
[10:39] <AlanBell> Myrtti: yup, davmor2 can have a cloak
[10:40] <Myrtti> he could if I could verify he really is him :-P
[10:40] <Myrtti> ie. please identify :-)
[10:40] <davmor2> AlanBell: ta I was just looking into the verifying bit first before asking you :)
[10:41] <bigcalm> I've never trusted davmor2 to be who he thinks he is
[10:41] <AlanBell> he might be impersonating himself
[10:42] <Myrtti> indeed
[10:48] <davmor2> Myrtti: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Cloaks that mentions none of the sasl stuff does it need updating?
[10:51] <Myrtti> sasl is recommended by freenode, thus it's not mentioned on the Ubuntu wiki
[10:52] <AlanBell> you are not using tor or anything davmor2
[10:53] <davmor2> Myrtti: the ubuntu wiki points to the setup on the freenode page
[10:53] <AlanBell> !register | davmor2
[10:53] <davmor2> AlanBell: nope irssi on my home server with proxy and then xchat on my local box
[10:53] <AlanBell> so basically do that then /msg nickserv identify <password>
[10:54] <AlanBell> sasl stuff is good, but you don't need to do that to just log in
[10:55] <AlanBell> sasl lets you pre-login before joining channels
[10:55] <davmor2> AlanBell: so yes my nick is registered ie I need a password to use it :)
[10:55] <AlanBell> well you haven't used that password to log in to nickserv
[10:56] <AlanBell> it is /msg nickserv identify davmor2 password
[10:59] <mgdm> it's possible that when nickserv went away yesterday it unidentified you then
[11:01] <davmor2> AlanBell: ah it might be I'll run through all the steps and get back to you
[11:01] <AlanBell> davmor2: only one step!
[11:02] <AlanBell> the account exists, just /msg nickserv identify davmor2 password
[11:02]  * bigcalm really hopes the password is password
[11:02] <jussi01> bigcalm: :D
[11:06] <davmor2> AlanBell: You are now identified for davmor2.
[11:06] <AlanBell> so you are \o/
[11:06] <AlanBell> Myrtti can now wrap a nice warm cloak round you
[11:07] <MooDoo> yay for cloaks
[11:07] <Myrtti> yay
[11:07] <davmor2> AlanBell: now I'm wondering if I am missing a step from my irssi setup when I was just using xchat it was linked.
[11:07] <AlanBell> ooh what a nice cloak
[11:07] <Myrtti> well I still strongly recommend that you set up sasl
[11:07] <christel> i am way too juvenile today, i saw "member" in davmor2's cloak and broke down into fits of giggles :(
[11:07] <Myrtti> because then the cloak is applied before you join channels
[11:07] <christel> i blame Myrtti
[11:07] <Laney> I thought if you gave your nickserv password as server password it authed you
[11:08] <Laney> maybe that's some other network
[11:08] <MooDoo> christel: thought you were behaving in here ;)
[11:08] <christel> MooDoo: i was TRYING AND THEN SHE GOES AND DOES THAT
[11:08] <MooDoo> christel: RESIST!
[11:09] <Myrtti> children
[11:09] <mgdm> christel: presumably if davmor2 is an ubuntu 'member' he has accepted the CoC
[11:09] <Myrtti> tsk
[11:09] <AlanBell> 2006 called and asked for it's joke back
[11:09] <mgdm> AlanBell: DID YOU WARN THEM ABOUT THE TSUNAMI?
[11:09] <davmor2> mgdm: I'm an ubuntu member and work for canonical, if the one wasn't voluntary the second is compulsory ;)
[11:10] <mgdm> hehe
[11:10] <AlanBell> mgdm: ooh, I forgot
[11:10] <mgdm> :(
[11:11] <christel> mgdm: teehee
[11:12] <Laney> I remember how magical it was when I first accepted the CoC. I wept.
[11:13] <christel> that is beautiful :)
[11:13] <AlanBell> I just got cross about PGP keys
[11:13] <Laney> (Actually I don't remember doing it at all)
[11:14] <Laney> (did I even sign it?)
[11:14] <Laney> apparently so
[11:27] <MooDoo> JamesTait: get it working?
[11:27] <JamesTait> MooDoo, well, I'm connected, and it says it's using the right port. :)
[11:28] <JamesTait> So, yay?
[11:28] <MooDoo> do a /whois username and it'll tell you
[11:29] <MooDoo> or i thought it did
[11:29] <MooDoo> yes it does
[11:29] <JamesTait> MooDoo, yeah, I missed the line that says "is using a secure connection"
[11:30] <MooDoo> :)
[13:17] <MooDoo> join #freenode-bootcamp
[13:17] <MooDoo> ooops
[13:17]  * diplo always does joins in the status window :D
[13:17]  * MooDoo should too
[13:55] <MooDoo> everyone leaving and going lol
[14:01] <awilkins> The weather is too nice
[14:02] <dwatkins> I am suffering from network issues, sorry.
[14:02] <awilkins> That's a good one, I must use that
[14:03]  * awilkins is suffering from network issues. The network cable doesn't reach out to the quiet bench next to the canal weir where he intends to relax.
[14:07] <dwatkins> oh I have that issue all the time
[14:07] <dwatkins> I could probably use a combination of my phone and the VPN software, mkind
[14:07] <dwatkins> *mind - it might make it take a bit longer to download ISO images, though
[14:31] <giganigga> hey fellers
[14:31] <giganigga> is this UK?
[14:31] <MooDoo> yup
[14:31] <SuperMatt> yuppers
[14:31] <giganigga> are you from Stoke on trent?
[14:31] <MooDoo> nope
[14:31] <giganigga> why not
[14:32] <giganigga> nigs
[14:33] <MooDoo> huh?
[14:33] <giganigga> share the experience with me
[14:35] <giganigga> i want to be ubuntu abuser when i grow up!
[14:36] <giganigga> yo
[14:38] <giganigga> waddup
[14:38] <giganigga> hm
[14:38] <MooDoo> AlanBell: thanks for that :D
[14:41] <DJones> Hmmh, they were early today, normally happens around 6pm for that spam
[14:46] <davmor2> MooDoo: why do you keep bringing these abusers to the channel ;)
[14:47] <MooDoo> sorry, thought i'd liven up the place
[14:50] <dwatkins> "when I grow up"... which will presumably be quite a while
[15:03] <diplo> /dev/sda6       106G  101G  8.0K 100% /
[15:03] <diplo> Wondering why my sql query wasn't working :D
[15:03] <mgdm> oh dear
[15:03] <mgdm> if that's MySQL you might have entertaining table corruption...
[15:04] <diplo> it's only my dev PC thankfully
[15:04] <mgdm> that's not too bad then
[15:04] <diplo> Clearing some space and then see if it's broken anything
[15:07] <diplo> Seems I may have got a bit happy with VM's :)
[15:08] <diplo> 80gb's worth.. they're supposed to be on the other partition.
[15:10] <Laney> bright sun is bright
[15:17] <dwatkins> funny that
[15:17] <dwatkins> in fact, in all seriousness, it's surprisingly bright here, considering how far north I am.
[15:17] <dwatkins> (Edinburgh)
[15:18] <mgdm> it's rather bright in Glasgow too
[16:22] <awilkins> I hate hot weather
[16:22] <awilkins> Inside it's too hot because the company we lease the office from are trying to save money on aircon
[16:22] <awilkins> Outside it's too hot, because it's too hot
[16:23] <awilkins> Also, people are idiots and leave the blinds open even though it's too hot
[16:24] <jelmer> awilkins: are you sure you are in the UK?
[16:24] <awilkins> I'm in the *north* of the UK
[16:24] <mgdm> awilkins: whereabout?
[16:24] <awilkins> Leeds
[16:25] <awilkins> Maybe it's not too hot outside
[16:25] <awilkins> It looks like it from here in the hot office though
[16:25] <mgdm> That's the north of England, not even mildly the north of the UK
[16:25] <awilkins> Stupid glass offices with giant solar collecting windows
[16:26] <awilkins> I'm from Portsmouth
[16:26] <awilkins> Everywhere north of London is the North
[16:26] <mgdm> I'm from Lewis, everthing south of Inverness is south. :-)
[16:26] <awilkins> In the "You know NUFFIN, Jon Snow" sense
[16:27]  * mgdm wonders what the C4 newsreader has to do with anything
[16:28] <awilkins> Common scenes in the North : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeZOzkHEQAw
[16:30] <mgdm> still none the wiser
[16:30] <awilkins> That's what everything North of Birmingham looks like
[16:30]  * Seeker` wonders why anyone would be silly enough to be from that far north :P
[16:30] <awilkins> Although I think the fur parka was a bit overkill today
[16:32] <awilkins> I hate people who come along and say "This feature isn't desired, so take it out."
[16:32] <awilkins> Esp. when they didn't ask for the feature in the first place
[16:32] <awilkins> And it was put in on purpose...
[19:05] <daftykins> what's the best way to change APT mirror? i'm guessing a find and replace on sources.list might not be the best?
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: it works :)
[19:06] <daftykins> hehe
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: there's an option in the menu of software-centre
[19:06] <daftykins> ah this is server
[19:06] <Darael> daftykins: Depends.  With a GUI, the Software Sources tool (wherever that's hiding these days) will do it easily.
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: in that case.. vim :)
[19:06] <Darael> Gah.  Sniped.
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> Darael: internet high fived ;)
[19:07] <Darael> MartijnVdS: vim?  VIM?  sed!
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> Darael: sed? ed!
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> (ed? magnets!)
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> (magnets? quantum fluctiations!)
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> OK, done.
[19:07] <daftykins> yeah i'm not up on my reg exp though
[19:07] <daftykins> sed -i 's/us/<two letter country code here/' ?
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: write Perl for 15 years, you won't ever forget regex again;)
[19:08] <daftykins> lol
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I'd do 's/us\./your_code.//'
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> just because "music" shouldn't become "mgbic"
[19:08] <Darael> MartijnVdS: One too many /, I think?
[19:08] <daftykins> i'm afraid i don't think i can dedicated 15 years to this one
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> Darael: yes, oops
[19:09] <daftykins> does that do every instance?
[19:09] <Darael> Does the first instance on each line, from memory.
[19:10] <daftykins> ah reet
[19:10] <daftykins> gah - still got this program that does not do what is expected
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> s/foo/bar/g <-- the g does it "all the times" on a line
[19:10] <daftykins> Source engine dedicated server, possibly 32-bit on a 64-bit server
[19:11] <daftykins> so just then i installed 'ia32-libs' on a guides recommendation
[19:11] <daftykins> $ ./steam
[19:11] <daftykins> Checking bootstrapper version ...
[19:11] <daftykins> that's all i get, heh
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: uh, ia32-libs is WAAY too much
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> also, steam kind of requires X
[19:11] <daftykins> really?
[19:12] <daftykins> i've got hldsupdatetool.bin which downloaded the 'steam' script
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> yeah.
[19:12] <Darael> The steam install (especially if it was from the partner repo) should have pulled in all its *:i386 dependencies.  ia32-libs shouldn't be necessary.
[19:12] <daftykins> ah well, that part's done
[19:12] <Darael> Well, at least if steam's from a package.
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> even if not from a package
[19:13] <daftykins> it says if you run just 'steam' it'll spit out a list of its' commands
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> it'll detect Ubuntu and switch to package install
[19:13] <Darael> MartijnVdS: Really?  Huh.  Shiny.
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> Darael: did for me anyway
[19:13] <daftykins> guides online say to do: "./steam -command update -game episode1 -dir ."
[19:13] <daftykins> which just does as above, i.e. pretty much nothing
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> could be for old steam? no idea :(
[19:14] <daftykins> https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Source_Dedicated_Server
[19:14] <daftykins> well this does refer to a 'SteamCMD' but says that's for newer games 0o
[19:14] <Darael> daftykins: Do it with X forwarded and see if that yields any more info?
[19:14] <daftykins> hmm
[19:14] <daftykins> good idea
[19:15] <daftykins> i shall have to boot a Linux host with X to try :D
[19:18] <daftykins> hmm nothing ssh -X'ing in
[19:18] <daftykins> it did complain about a lack of .XAuthority
[19:19] <daftykins> alright i have no idea why that sucker is doing nothing
[19:19] <daftykins> i'm going to call it food o'clock and resume later
[19:43] <StevenR> arrrgh. Why does mdadm keep saying devices are spares?
[19:46] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> \o
[20:00] <daftykins> StevenR: i read that as 'madam'
[20:00] <daftykins> :D
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: "Kill the spare!" </voldemort>
[20:12] <daftykins> ok i tried it on my 13.04 VM
[20:12] <daftykins> it still does exactly the same, no expected output
[20:12] <daftykins> any ideas how to diagnose what it's doing? it's a .bin sadly =/
[20:13] <daftykins> i'm pretty certain it's a CLI only dedicated server binary
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> strace?
[20:15] <daftykins> ooh
[20:16] <daftykins> connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(27030), sin_addr=inet_addr("207.173.177.12")}, 16
[20:16] <daftykins> it stops there
[20:17] <daftykins> ah it's sitting trying IPs and timing out
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> are you not allowed to connect to those IPs?
[20:18] <daftykins> perhaps that client has been ditched
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> $likely
[20:21] <daftykins> some guy is talking about port forwarding for it online 0o
[20:21] <daftykins> seems ridiculous for a client side thing just updating itself
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: it's p2pish
[20:45] <daftykins> this is not getting anywhere fast :>
[21:05] <ali1234> daftykins: ask Azelphur
[21:06] <daftykins> ah he do some game server stuffs?
[21:06] <daftykins> Azelphur: hello sir o/
[21:07] <ali1234> yeah you should never need ia32-libs any more because multiarch replaces it with individual packages
[21:07] <daftykins> mmm, i tried it for fun since this program wasn't working, strace shows me it's failing to hit IPs though and timing out
[21:07] <daftykins> so i know that for future now
[21:39] <dogmatic69> anyone got recommendations on a laptop running mumbuntu
[21:44] <daftykins> zomg videos of popey presenting
[21:44] <daftykins> with aspect ratio fail :'(
[22:13] <daftykins> http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html
[22:13] <daftykins> well well
[22:14] <daftykins> dogmatic69: even the acer revo popey put together for his mum looks good
[22:14] <daftykins> little atom system
[22:14] <shauno> daftykins: sssh, it's a secret!
[22:14]  * daftykins pipes down
[23:42] <monstercock> hey folks!
[23:45] <monstercock> niggers!
[23:53] <directhex> can we just ban mibbit and gateway/web/freenode?
[23:53] <directhex> they are literally the single biggest drain on oper time in this channel
[23:54] <dogmatic69> directhex: freenode disabled mibbit afaik