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barrydkGood morning all05:47
Squirm-morning05:53
magespawngood morning06:45
magespawnwhy on earth does anyone want to ddos freenode?06:51
Kiloshi magespawn and others07:09
Kiloslooks like the fly's server went to sleep yesterday07:09
Vince-0haai07:13
magespawnhowdy Kilos Vince-007:15
Kiloshi Vince-0 07:16
ThatGraemeGuymorning peeps07:39
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 07:40
KilosVince-0, did anyone offer to get ubuntustudio for that ray guy?08:00
mazal Morning08:10
Kiloshi mazal 08:10
Kiloshiya maiatoday 08:23
Kiloshows our girl?08:23
maiatodayhey Kilos, fine thanks08:24
maiatodayyou?08:25
Kilosbearing up under the flu ty08:25
Kiloswhen do them monday classes thing of yours end08:25
Kilos?08:25
mazalQA , is jy verdwaal08:26
QAmazal: *blink*08:26
mazalDon't you blink at me !!08:26
KilosQA, greet08:27
QAGreetings you few active peeps and all the lurkers!!08:27
magespawnbrb restart08:30
Kilosk08:30
Vince-0Kilos, ya there are a couple of guys volunteering on the list08:33
Kilosty Vince-0 i dunno how come he didnt mail our list08:33
Kilosmaybe its google stopping it again08:34
Kilosgrrr08:34
Vince-0Durban locals08:34
Kiloscool ty08:34
Kiloswhats your list addy?08:34
Vince-0its a Google group list08:35
Kilosah08:35
Vince-0https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/dbnlug08:35
Kilosthats too much for me08:35
Vince-0tied to dbnlug@gmail.com08:35
Vince-0but I'm not sure that you can Email that address and it will go to the list08:35
Kilosill stay on our list08:36
Vince-0aw08:36
Kilosget the important ubuntu mails08:36
Kiloslol dont that group eat data?08:36
Vince-0na, once your subscribed it will just deliver Emails08:37
Kilosi dont use a browser much08:37
Kilosoh ok will look at it08:37
Vince-0I don't really use the page unless I'm editing notes in html08:37
Kiloshmm...08:38
Kiloshow can one sign in if not registered first08:39
Kiloswhere is the register button08:39
Vince-0ow, it's been a while08:40
Vince-0have a gmail account??08:41
Kilosya08:41
Kiloseven got g+ a while back08:41
magespawnray_ found us from the dlug website irc chat, not even sure if he knows about ubuntu-za as a seperate entity08:44
Kilosi gave him the info from the topic here so dunno why he didnt get to our mail08:44
Kiloswow it even knew my password for gmail08:45
magespawnmaybe does not understand the difference or had already signed up to the lug, not serious either way08:46
Vince-0Durban LUG wins! I promote Linux Mint over Ubuntu for noobs08:47
Kiloseeek08:47
Vince-0*jokes08:48
magespawnlol08:48
Vince-0but seriously08:48
Kiloshmm... pending approval08:48
Vince-0ah, we used that to hide people's mail addresses from public viewing08:49
Kilosah08:49
Kilosso how long it pends?08:50
Kiloshehe08:50
magespawntill Vince-0 lets you in08:50
Vince-0ow, I don't think I'm even the admin08:51
magespawnoh i thought you would be08:52
magespawnwell then until an admin lets you in08:53
Kilosi did the contact the owner route08:53
Vince-0I can pull some strings08:53
KilosError while trying to send message08:54
Vince-0I should be admin - always wanted to move the list into a self hosted08:54
Kilossomething dont work08:54
Vince-0aarg08:54
Kiloslol08:54
Vince-0I know people08:56
Kilosgood tell them fix it08:57
Kilospull their strings08:57
Vince-0should be approved09:04
Vince-0darned spam prevention09:05
Kilosdoes it think im a spammer09:05
Kilosgrrr09:05
Kilosyay ty Vince-0 just got the mail09:07
Vince-0ha! it thinks everyone is a bot unless proven innocent 09:07
Kiloshehe09:07
mazalmaaz, coffee on09:28
* Maaz puts the kettle on09:28
mazalmaaz big09:29
Maazmazal: Sorry...09:29
mazalmaaz large09:29
MaazIn a beer mug just for you mazal09:29
barrydkmaaz go to roc they also want coffee09:30
Maazbarrydk: What?09:30
Kiloshi barrydk 09:31
MaazCoffee's ready for mazal!09:32
mazalMaaz dankie09:37
MaazGroot plesier mazal my vriend09:37
Kilosseems like the internet is a bit better today10:01
barrydkHi Kilos 10:35
Kilosis it my imagination is is 12.04 getting faster after each upgrade?11:26
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Kiloshey magespawn have you noticed? apt-get upgrade does lotsa stuff except for11:54
Kiloslinux-generic-pae linux-headers-generic-pae linux-image-generic-pae 11:54
Kilosaptitude upgrade does that as well11:54
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Kiloshmm... reboot needed11:59
Kiloswbb11:59
Rayhi kilos12:20
Kiloshi Ray did you win yet12:21
Rayhope all is well ... just checking if anyone managed to find someone in durbs by the sea who has ububtu dvd's ... normal and studio12:21
Raynah mate ... havent heard anything12:21
Kilosyes there were 2 replies to your request12:21
Kiloson the google groups mail12:21
Rayoh .. how do i see that12:21
Kilosoh my12:22
Rayok .. lemme try get there12:22
Kilosi just joined there today12:22
KilosVince-0: point ray to the right place please12:22
Kilosim on kde now so got no history12:22
Raythanks .. much appreciated12:23
Kiloscan you get to william12:23
Kiloshe gave his addy12:23
mazalgoogle groups mail ?12:26
Kiloslooks like he found it mazal 12:26
mazalBut I didn't :-P12:26
mazalWhat's that ?12:26
Kilosyou gotta join12:26
Kilosits a group of linux users12:27
Kilosand now me12:27
Kilosits the dbn lug guys mazal 12:28
Rayi found it lol .. now im learning how to reply ...12:28
Kiloscool12:29
Rayahh got it12:29
Kilostook me a while there too12:29
mazalo ok12:31
Kilosthey have hangouts on g+12:32
Kilosfor peeps with no caps12:32
Rayok .. now i just gotta hook up with William12:33
Rayim learning12:33
Raythanks hey Kilos, thats great12:34
Kiloscool Ray then once installed you most likely will need some guiding12:35
Kilosso you install xchat and set freenode to come here 12:35
Rayok cool .. im making notes ...lol12:36
Kilosdo you know how to use the command line?12:37
magespawnhey guys i am trying to follow the directions here http://book.schooltool.org/editing-this-book.html#building-an-html-version12:37
magespawnbut when i get to the make html command i get the following12:37
magespawnmkdir -p build/html build/doctrees                                                                                                 12:38
magespawnsphinx-build -b html -d build/doctrees   source build/html                                                                         12:38
magespawnmake: sphinx-build: Command not found                                                                                              12:38
magespawnmake: *** [html] Error 12712:38
Kiloseeek12:38
Rayat this point im just going to take it as it comes Kilos ...lol12:38
Kiloscool, we are here most of the time12:39
Raynot sure what to expect .. but yeah ... cmd line i have seen before ... shouldnt be too hard with all the help thats available12:39
Rayim truly impressed12:39
Raybill Gates should be very worried12:39
Kilosonce you into it you will wonder why you didnt change years ago12:39
Rayyeah .. our solutions developer in Perth (Captivate On Hold) .. sweears by it and actually turned me on to it12:40
Kiloswell they even said they wanna make a linux version of winsucks12:40
magespawni have found some google stuff, busy reading now12:41
Raylol .. pay a gazillion rand for a windows system ... and support sucks eggs12:42
Kiloslol12:42
Kilosyou have a fast pc hey Ray ?12:43
Raywell ... kinda12:43
Kilosotherwise it might be better getting the 12.04 release12:43
Rayoh i see12:43
Kiloslotsa eye candy in new ones12:43
Kiloswilliam said as well the 12.04 gets 5 years support12:44
Rayceleron 2.4Ghz12:44
Ray2 megs ram12:44
Rayyeah .. i think ill go 12.04 then mate12:45
Kiloshe normally keeps all the iso's12:45
Raycoool .. will studio run on my pc ya think?12:45
Kilosyip the 12.04 will12:46
magespawnubuntu studio?12:46
Rayyep12:46
magespawnit should do 12:47
Rayi have a m-audio device for recording voiceovers 12:47
Rayexcellent12:47
barrydkBye all12:47
magespawnthe main differences between the various buntu's is the desktop and the programs that come as default installs12:47
magespawnfound the solution to my problem, i did not have python-sphinx installed12:48
Rayok .. i just need to install and see so i can get a reference12:48
Rayat the moment i just know windows (like all the other sheep)12:49
Kilosyou use win7 on that pc Ray ?12:49
Kilosyou have found the right channel12:50
Rayxp mate ... didnt have the need to upgrade ... its stable and does what i need it to12:50
Kiloswe do lotsa weening here12:50
Kilosim mjust think of the resource use12:50
Rayie .. zoho crm ... zoho mail ... recording12:50
Kilosa pc that can handle 7 goes well with ubuntu12:51
Kilosubuntu is also growing all the time to meet what peeps want12:51
Kilosand young ones like eye candy12:52
Rayhmmm .. does quickbooks run in ubuntu as well?12:52
Kiloswhat is quickbooks12:52
Raywhats the score with compatibility of other programs?12:53
magespawnno it does not, but there are plenty of alternatives12:53
Raybookkeeping prog12:53
Kiloshttp://community.intuit.com/posts/ubuntu-users-can-now-use-quickbooks-online-edition12:53
magespawnyou can run some windows programs under wine, or you can install a virtual machine and run windows in that12:53
Kilosthere must be a linux alternative12:54
Raywhich i can just google i assume?12:54
Kilos2g is a bit slow for virtual magespawn 12:54
Kilosfirst ask here ray?12:54
Kilossomeone might be doing similar work12:55
Kilossometimes gooles links mislead one some12:55
Rayill try it on the spare PC i am going to install ubuntu on .. and then if it works ill slowly change everyone else over to ubuntu ..12:56
Kiloshttp://askubuntu.com/questions/234498/whats-a-recommended-alternative-to-quickbooks-pro12:56
Rayyep ,, definitely will kilos12:56
Kiloscool12:56
Kilosactually when you see william tell him what you got and he will guide you12:58
Rayk .. will do12:59
Kiloslol you gonna end up like me wanting a faster pc13:04
Vince-0heey! Ya William is going to hook Ray up13:11
magespawnGnuCash seems to be the go to program, but i have never used it13:17
magespawnthere is also a windows version so you can try it first13:17
Rayquickbooks is quite specialised ... from what i read ... there isnt much on Linux with all the same functionality .. especially copyover of existing records13:17
Rayi see theres an online version of quickbooks though13:17
Rayooooh online books ... not cool or what?13:17
Kilosyip Vince-0 billy loses another one13:18
Kilosyay13:18
Rayhow is linux for viruses, phishing , hackers an all that nasty stuff?13:18
Kilosno virii13:18
Kilosnormally safe from all the stuff that kills windows13:18
Rayok cool .. does ubuntu come with inbuilt measures?13:18
Kilosyip13:18
Rayor not neccessary?13:18
Kilosthe guys only use clamav antivirus on servers13:18
Kilosto scan what goes through that will affect windows users13:18
Vince-0Kilos, billy? 13:20
Kilosbill gates13:20
Kiloshehe13:20
Vince-0ah lol, 13:20
Kilosbilly boy13:21
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Kilosi get so lekker when peeps get weaned off there13:21
Kiloshi Trixar_za 13:21
Raywindows truly sucks .. the other day some dude called me from pakistan to tell me i had a windows virus and needed to log onto some site so he could fix it ... yeh right ... though i dont yet ... i told him im on ubuntu and he put the phone down13:22
Trixar_zaHey Kilos13:22
Kiloslol13:24
Vince-0there are lots of those phishing calls13:25
Kilosyip skelms all13:26
Kiloscybercrime pays they say13:26
Rayhe didnt expect me to say ubuntu ... threw him a bit13:27
Kilosi saw on the lunchtime news that microsoft is gonna work with the FBI to fight cybercrime13:27
Raywhat .. to steal our data and keep tabs on us ? ...lol13:28
Raybig brother ..13:28
Kiloslol13:28
Kilosyo Zarw 13:28
Rayi offered one of my clients our solution on Linux (raspberry Pi) ... he said no he doesnt trust Linux ..???13:29
Kilosthats because of billy13:29
Kilosthey said a while back that linux allows virii in13:30
Rayhe's brainwashed the poor bugger13:30
Kilosmeantime its other way around13:30
Kilosit was all scare tactics so he dont lose so many customers13:31
Rayprobably just ignorant he is .. thats why i need to learn this stuff .. normally its all done out of our main office in Perth13:31
Raywere pushing out raspberry Pi's now as standard ... so i gotta know what im talking about13:31
Kilosget then to go too #ubuntu-au13:31
Kiloson irc13:32
Kilostheres lotsa ubuntu okes there13:32
Rayyep .. my man Lawrence is into it over there13:32
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Rayand poked me in the ribs with a sharp stick to get it done13:33
Rayand here i am13:33
Kilosso Ray when are you seeing william?13:33
Kilosoh he got you here to us13:33
magespawnRay what is it that you sell?13:33
Kilosclever man13:33
Raydunno .. waiting for williams reply as to how to contact him13:34
Raywe do dynamic audio for telephone on hold, in store comms and in hotel rooms ... check out www.captivateglobal.com13:34
Kilosmaybe Vince-0 can help you13:34
Rayonly technology of its kind in the world13:34
Raywe insert 10 second news / weather and other dynamic content inbetween company promo's ... the content changes every day automatically13:35
magespawninstore radio?13:36
Rayonly platform in the world that interfaces with VOIP13:36
Raythat too13:36
Rayon hold for phones is the big seller13:36
RaySA companies struggle to "get it" tho13:36
magespawnand you run it on the pi?13:37
Raysometimes takes years to convince them13:37
Rayyep mage ... either to a linear audio output ... or as a download script .. and copyover the a-law file in the MOH directory13:38
Raysome voip vendors in SA bundle our service with their systems13:38
Raybiggest prob with the Pi is people steal the memcards13:39
Raybut we cut them flush and tape off the slot now ...lol13:39
magespawnglue them in13:39
Raycant .. they tend to go faulty if its dodgy mem .. then we cant change them13:39
magespawnahh i see13:40
Rayonly problem we ever have with the Pi is dodgy memory13:40
Raywe left one running on the dash in the sun to try break it ...got so hot we couldnt pick it up .. and it just carried on going13:41
Raynifty lil things13:42
magespawnindeed13:42
magespawncan you network boot them?13:42
Raythey auto boot if you lose power .. so a reboot is as simple as unplugging .. and replugging13:42
Rayplus .. corporates dont like us having access .. so we show them how to change the password13:42
ThatGraemeGuyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_booting13:44
Raynot sure what linux flavor my man lawrence runs on them tho ... i just plug em into my router ... he configures them .. and i post them off13:44
Rayim good at poting them off ...lol13:44
ThatGraemeGuyi.e. boot them from an image accessed over a LAN instead of booting from a local disk/flash device13:44
Ray*posting13:44
Rayahh i see13:45
Rayi will mention that to lawrence ..13:45
tonberry352_seems possible but still needs an sdcard to start it up13:45
Rayimho ... we should be running these services straight off our rotation server ... but corporates dont like inbound access13:46
Rayfine if it "fetches" ... but having something pushed to it ... is dodgy in their eyes13:46
tonberry352_how on earth do you get decent audio quality off a pi?13:46
Rayso we just do whatever makes them happy .. its their money13:47
Raywe use a-law wav files ... standard codecs on most phone systems13:47
Rayplus .. its just a dinky lil telephone speaker ... cant really get broadcast quality out of it anyways13:48
Raythough for windows it all runs on MP3 files13:49
tonberry352_true you don't really need or expect much quality from a phone13:49
Raydownloads playlist ... playluist checks file changes ... downloads changed files in mp3 ... orders and encodes them to alaw .. writes it into a single loop .. and overwrites the file in the MOH directory13:50
Rayyeh its not the sydney opera13:50
Raythe magic though is in the studio software ... the PI is a small part of it13:51
Kiloswbb. going to unity13:51
Rayjust thanks kilos ..cya13:51
Rayk guys im off to do some work .. thanks for all your help13:53
kbmonkeyhello Kilos 15:26
Kilosohi kbmonkey 15:27
kbmonkeyI was afk last night, but got your ping 15:27
Kiloshows things15:27
Kiloshmm...15:27
Kilosi forget why now15:27
kbmonkeywhen I am marked as 'away', and come back, it tells me who mentioned my name15:27
Kilosah15:27
kbmonkeyhows goeters that side?15:28
Kilosnot too bad ty15:28
kbmonkeythe wind is getting cold15:28
Kilosi wonder what i wanted15:28
Kilosdont moan we got ice in outside taps in the mornings15:28
kbmonkeyyowza!15:29
Kilosdo you have a time i said your name15:29
kbmonkeydid you download crunchbang inthe end?15:29
kbmonkey20:15 #ubuntu-za: < Kilos> hi kbmonkey15:29
Kilosya but same no 3g thing15:29
Kilosgrr15:29
Kilosgave up15:29
kbmonkeyoh that was on the 4th, my bad15:30
Kiloslol i think what happened is15:30
Kiloslotsa netsplits etc yesterday and xchat shows peeps joining before they show away15:31
Kilosmaybe thats why i said hi15:31
Kilosand crunchbang uses the x thing15:31
kbmonkeyyup15:31
Kilosnot lekker with all drives showing on desktop like that15:32
Kiloseven unity is better15:32
Kiloshehe15:32
kbmonkeyit does not allow desktop icons like that15:33
Kilosand the xthing dont have sound in xchat i need to use external stuff and modify /usr/share/sounds/ i think it was15:33
Kilosok then thats xubuntu15:33
kbmonkeyxthing?15:33
Vince-0suP!15:33
kbmonkeyoh xubuntu.15:33
kbmonkeyhi hi Vince-0 15:34
Kilosyo Vince-0 15:34
* kbmonkey is rocking the Otep15:34
Vince-0nice! 15:35
Vince-0I have Heaven & Hell - Neverwhere15:35
Kilosi even joined you okeys googlegroup thing kbmonkey 15:36
kbmonkeywe have a google group? o_O15:37
Kilostrying to get ubuntu for a noob15:37
kbmonkeyhang on, my brain has holes today15:37
Kilosoh arent you with the lug okes15:37
* Kilos hangs on15:37
kbmonkeyhad a 2 hour interview today, it went well. I aced the one puzzle15:37
Kilosanother job?15:37
Vince-0! I heard via the grapevine15:38
kbmonkeythe one question I remember was in a Die Hard movie, ha ha15:38
Kiloswhat kinda interview is that15:39
kbmonkeyit tests solution finding15:39
Kilosah15:39
kbmonkeyKilos, you have a 5 litre and 3 litre containers, you have to only use those two and get a total of 4 litres in the end15:40
Kilos2 in each15:40
kbmonkey4 in one15:41
Kiloslol15:41
kbmonkeyI found two of the possible 3 ways15:41
Kilosand sell the other one15:41
kbmonkeyhehe15:41
kbmonkeyyar, and make some action on the side15:41
kbmonkeyalmost weekend again, Vince-0, yeeeah15:44
Vince-0yar!15:44
Vince-0although I have to go Joburg to see family15:47
kbmonkeymy sis went last weekend to see Chevelle play there15:49
kbmonkeynot much of a fan myself, but must be a good show either way15:50
Vince-0yeah some guys from work went -said it was epic15:57
Vince-0not as epic as Metallica!15:58
kbmonkeyagreed!15:58
Vince-0I've seen 'em twice in SA - blew my expectations both times16:07
Vince-0need more metal! Hopefully pull of a lil 3 fest tour in the EU next year this time16:11
Vince-0bbl16:11
kbmonkeyokay, ciao ciao Vince-0 16:11
Kilosone thing about crunchbang kbmonkey speedy download17:05
Kilos808m in 45 mins17:06
Kilosthem torrents revved 8ta17:07
kbmonkey:)17:14
Kilosnight all. sleep tight19:49
Squirm-evening20:25
Squirm-Maaz: tell Kilos that it's currently 2deg outside and it's only 11pm20:55
MaazSquirm-: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode20:55
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confluencytumbleweed: is Atrum down for everyone, or just me?22:28

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