[05:47] <barrydk> Good morning all
[05:53] <Squirm-> morning
[06:45] <magespawn> good morning
[06:51] <magespawn> why on earth does anyone want to ddos freenode?
[07:09] <Kilos> hi magespawn and others
[07:09] <Kilos> looks like the fly's server went to sleep yesterday
[07:13] <Vince-0> haai
[07:15] <magespawn> howdy Kilos Vince-0
[07:16] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[07:40] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:00] <Kilos> Vince-0, did anyone offer to get ubuntustudio for that ray guy?
[08:10] <mazal>  Morning
[08:10] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[08:23] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[08:23] <Kilos> hows our girl?
[08:24] <maiatoday> hey Kilos, fine thanks
[08:25] <maiatoday> you?
[08:25] <Kilos> bearing up under the flu ty
[08:25] <Kilos> when do them monday classes thing of yours end
[08:25] <Kilos> ?
[08:26] <mazal> QA , is jy verdwaal
[08:26] <QA> mazal: *blink*
[08:26] <mazal> Don't you blink at me !!
[08:27] <Kilos> QA, greet
[08:27] <QA> Greetings you few active peeps and all the lurkers!!
[08:30] <magespawn> brb restart
[08:30] <Kilos> k
[08:33] <Vince-0> Kilos, ya there are a couple of guys volunteering on the list
[08:33] <Kilos> ty Vince-0 i dunno how come he didnt mail our list
[08:34] <Kilos> maybe its google stopping it again
[08:34] <Kilos> grrr
[08:34] <Vince-0> Durban locals
[08:34] <Kilos> cool ty
[08:34] <Kilos> whats your list addy?
[08:35] <Vince-0> its a Google group list
[08:35] <Kilos> ah
[08:35] <Vince-0> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/dbnlug
[08:35] <Kilos> thats too much for me
[08:35] <Vince-0> tied to dbnlug@gmail.com
[08:35] <Vince-0> but I'm not sure that you can Email that address and it will go to the list
[08:36] <Kilos> ill stay on our list
[08:36] <Vince-0> aw
[08:36] <Kilos> get the important ubuntu mails
[08:36] <Kilos> lol dont that group eat data?
[08:37] <Vince-0> na, once your subscribed it will just deliver Emails
[08:37] <Kilos> i dont use a browser much
[08:37] <Kilos> oh ok will look at it
[08:37] <Vince-0> I don't really use the page unless I'm editing notes in html
[08:38] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:39] <Kilos> how can one sign in if not registered first
[08:39] <Kilos> where is the register button
[08:40] <Vince-0> ow, it's been a while
[08:41] <Vince-0> have a gmail account??
[08:41] <Kilos> ya
[08:41] <Kilos> even got g+ a while back
[08:44] <magespawn> ray_ found us from the dlug website irc chat, not even sure if he knows about ubuntu-za as a seperate entity
[08:44] <Kilos> i gave him the info from the topic here so dunno why he didnt get to our mail
[08:45] <Kilos> wow it even knew my password for gmail
[08:46] <magespawn> maybe does not understand the difference or had already signed up to the lug, not serious either way
[08:47] <Vince-0> Durban LUG wins! I promote Linux Mint over Ubuntu for noobs
[08:47] <Kilos> eeek
[08:48] <Vince-0> *jokes
[08:48] <magespawn> lol
[08:48] <Vince-0> but seriously
[08:48] <Kilos> hmm... pending approval
[08:49] <Vince-0> ah, we used that to hide people's mail addresses from public viewing
[08:49] <Kilos> ah
[08:50] <Kilos> so how long it pends?
[08:50] <Kilos> hehe
[08:50] <magespawn> till Vince-0 lets you in
[08:51] <Vince-0> ow, I don't think I'm even the admin
[08:52] <magespawn> oh i thought you would be
[08:53] <magespawn> well then until an admin lets you in
[08:53] <Kilos> i did the contact the owner route
[08:53] <Vince-0> I can pull some strings
[08:54] <Kilos> Error while trying to send message
[08:54] <Vince-0> I should be admin - always wanted to move the list into a self hosted
[08:54] <Kilos> something dont work
[08:54] <Vince-0> aarg
[08:54] <Kilos> lol
[08:56] <Vince-0> I know people
[08:57] <Kilos> good tell them fix it
[08:57] <Kilos> pull their strings
[09:04] <Vince-0> should be approved
[09:05] <Vince-0> darned spam prevention
[09:05] <Kilos> does it think im a spammer
[09:05] <Kilos> grrr
[09:07] <Kilos> yay ty Vince-0 just got the mail
[09:07] <Vince-0> ha! it thinks everyone is a bot unless proven innocent 
[09:07] <Kilos> hehe
[09:28] <mazal> maaz, coffee on
[09:28]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:29] <mazal> maaz big
[09:29] <Maaz> mazal: Sorry...
[09:29] <mazal> maaz large
[09:29] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you mazal
[09:30] <barrydk> maaz go to roc they also want coffee
[09:30] <Maaz> barrydk: What?
[09:31] <Kilos> hi barrydk 
[09:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for mazal!
[09:37] <mazal> Maaz dankie
[09:37] <Maaz> Groot plesier mazal my vriend
[10:01] <Kilos> seems like the internet is a bit better today
[10:35] <barrydk> Hi Kilos 
[11:26] <Kilos> is it my imagination is is 12.04 getting faster after each upgrade?
[11:54] <Kilos> hey magespawn have you noticed? apt-get upgrade does lotsa stuff except for
[11:54] <Kilos> linux-generic-pae linux-headers-generic-pae linux-image-generic-pae 
[11:54] <Kilos> aptitude upgrade does that as well
[11:59] <Kilos> hmm... reboot needed
[11:59] <Kilos> wbb
[12:20] <Ray> hi kilos
[12:21] <Kilos> hi Ray did you win yet
[12:21] <Ray> hope all is well ... just checking if anyone managed to find someone in durbs by the sea who has ububtu dvd's ... normal and studio
[12:21] <Ray> nah mate ... havent heard anything
[12:21] <Kilos> yes there were 2 replies to your request
[12:21] <Kilos> on the google groups mail
[12:21] <Ray> oh .. how do i see that
[12:22] <Kilos> oh my
[12:22] <Ray> ok .. lemme try get there
[12:22] <Kilos> i just joined there today
[12:22] <Kilos> Vince-0: point ray to the right place please
[12:22] <Kilos> im on kde now so got no history
[12:23] <Ray> thanks .. much appreciated
[12:23] <Kilos> can you get to william
[12:23] <Kilos> he gave his addy
[12:26] <mazal> google groups mail ?
[12:26] <Kilos> looks like he found it mazal 
[12:26] <mazal> But I didn't :-P
[12:26] <mazal> What's that ?
[12:26] <Kilos> you gotta join
[12:27] <Kilos> its a group of linux users
[12:27] <Kilos> and now me
[12:28] <Kilos> its the dbn lug guys mazal 
[12:28] <Ray> i found it lol .. now im learning how to reply ...
[12:29] <Kilos> cool
[12:29] <Ray> ahh got it
[12:29] <Kilos> took me a while there too
[12:31] <mazal> o ok
[12:32] <Kilos> they have hangouts on g+
[12:32] <Kilos> for peeps with no caps
[12:33] <Ray> ok .. now i just gotta hook up with William
[12:33] <Ray> im learning
[12:34] <Ray> thanks hey Kilos, thats great
[12:35] <Kilos> cool Ray then once installed you most likely will need some guiding
[12:35] <Kilos> so you install xchat and set freenode to come here 
[12:36] <Ray> ok cool .. im making notes ...lol
[12:37] <Kilos> do you know how to use the command line?
[12:37] <magespawn> hey guys i am trying to follow the directions here http://book.schooltool.org/editing-this-book.html#building-an-html-version
[12:37] <magespawn> but when i get to the make html command i get the following
[12:38] <magespawn> mkdir -p build/html build/doctrees                                                                                                 
[12:38] <magespawn> sphinx-build -b html -d build/doctrees   source build/html                                                                         
[12:38] <magespawn> make: sphinx-build: Command not found                                                                                              
[12:38] <magespawn> make: *** [html] Error 127
[12:38] <Kilos> eeek
[12:38] <Ray> at this point im just going to take it as it comes Kilos ...lol
[12:39] <Kilos> cool, we are here most of the time
[12:39] <Ray> not sure what to expect .. but yeah ... cmd line i have seen before ... shouldnt be too hard with all the help thats available
[12:39] <Ray> im truly impressed
[12:39] <Ray> bill Gates should be very worried
[12:39] <Kilos> once you into it you will wonder why you didnt change years ago
[12:40] <Ray> yeah .. our solutions developer in Perth (Captivate On Hold) .. sweears by it and actually turned me on to it
[12:40] <Kilos> well they even said they wanna make a linux version of winsucks
[12:41] <magespawn> i have found some google stuff, busy reading now
[12:42] <Ray> lol .. pay a gazillion rand for a windows system ... and support sucks eggs
[12:42] <Kilos> lol
[12:43] <Kilos> you have a fast pc hey Ray ?
[12:43] <Ray> well ... kinda
[12:43] <Kilos> otherwise it might be better getting the 12.04 release
[12:43] <Ray> oh i see
[12:43] <Kilos> lotsa eye candy in new ones
[12:44] <Kilos> william said as well the 12.04 gets 5 years support
[12:44] <Ray> celeron 2.4Ghz
[12:44] <Ray> 2 megs ram
[12:45] <Ray> yeah .. i think ill go 12.04 then mate
[12:45] <Kilos> he normally keeps all the iso's
[12:45] <Ray> coool .. will studio run on my pc ya think?
[12:46] <Kilos> yip the 12.04 will
[12:46] <magespawn> ubuntu studio?
[12:46] <Ray> yep
[12:47] <magespawn> it should do 
[12:47] <Ray> i have a m-audio device for recording voiceovers 
[12:47] <Ray> excellent
[12:47] <barrydk> Bye all
[12:47] <magespawn> the main differences between the various buntu's is the desktop and the programs that come as default installs
[12:48] <magespawn> found the solution to my problem, i did not have python-sphinx installed
[12:48] <Ray> ok .. i just need to install and see so i can get a reference
[12:49] <Ray> at the moment i just know windows (like all the other sheep)
[12:49] <Kilos> you use win7 on that pc Ray ?
[12:50] <Kilos> you have found the right channel
[12:50] <Ray> xp mate ... didnt have the need to upgrade ... its stable and does what i need it to
[12:50] <Kilos> we do lotsa weening here
[12:50] <Kilos> im mjust think of the resource use
[12:50] <Ray> ie .. zoho crm ... zoho mail ... recording
[12:51] <Kilos> a pc that can handle 7 goes well with ubuntu
[12:51] <Kilos> ubuntu is also growing all the time to meet what peeps want
[12:52] <Kilos> and young ones like eye candy
[12:52] <Ray> hmmm .. does quickbooks run in ubuntu as well?
[12:52] <Kilos> what is quickbooks
[12:53] <Ray> whats the score with compatibility of other programs?
[12:53] <magespawn> no it does not, but there are plenty of alternatives
[12:53] <Ray> bookkeeping prog
[12:53] <Kilos> http://community.intuit.com/posts/ubuntu-users-can-now-use-quickbooks-online-edition
[12:53] <magespawn> you can run some windows programs under wine, or you can install a virtual machine and run windows in that
[12:54] <Kilos> there must be a linux alternative
[12:54] <Ray> which i can just google i assume?
[12:54] <Kilos> 2g is a bit slow for virtual magespawn 
[12:54] <Kilos> first ask here ray?
[12:55] <Kilos> someone might be doing similar work
[12:55] <Kilos> sometimes gooles links mislead one some
[12:56] <Ray> ill try it on the spare PC i am going to install ubuntu on .. and then if it works ill slowly change everyone else over to ubuntu ..
[12:56] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/234498/whats-a-recommended-alternative-to-quickbooks-pro
[12:56] <Ray> yep ,, definitely will kilos
[12:56] <Kilos> cool
[12:58] <Kilos> actually when you see william tell him what you got and he will guide you
[12:59] <Ray> k .. will do
[13:04] <Kilos> lol you gonna end up like me wanting a faster pc
[13:11] <Vince-0> heey! Ya William is going to hook Ray up
[13:17] <magespawn> GnuCash seems to be the go to program, but i have never used it
[13:17] <magespawn> there is also a windows version so you can try it first
[13:17] <Ray> quickbooks is quite specialised ... from what i read ... there isnt much on Linux with all the same functionality .. especially copyover of existing records
[13:17] <Ray> i see theres an online version of quickbooks though
[13:17] <Ray> ooooh online books ... not cool or what?
[13:18] <Kilos> yip Vince-0 billy loses another one
[13:18] <Kilos> yay
[13:18] <Ray> how is linux for viruses, phishing , hackers an all that nasty stuff?
[13:18] <Kilos> no virii
[13:18] <Kilos> normally safe from all the stuff that kills windows
[13:18] <Ray> ok cool .. does ubuntu come with inbuilt measures?
[13:18] <Kilos> yip
[13:18] <Ray> or not neccessary?
[13:18] <Kilos> the guys only use clamav antivirus on servers
[13:18] <Kilos> to scan what goes through that will affect windows users
[13:20] <Vince-0> Kilos, billy? 
[13:20] <Kilos> bill gates
[13:20] <Kilos> hehe
[13:20] <Vince-0> ah lol, 
[13:21] <Kilos> billy boy
[13:21] <Kilos> i get so lekker when peeps get weaned off there
[13:21] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[13:22] <Ray> windows truly sucks .. the other day some dude called me from pakistan to tell me i had a windows virus and needed to log onto some site so he could fix it ... yeh right ... though i dont yet ... i told him im on ubuntu and he put the phone down
[13:22] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[13:24] <Kilos> lol
[13:25] <Vince-0> there are lots of those phishing calls
[13:26] <Kilos> yip skelms all
[13:26] <Kilos> cybercrime pays they say
[13:27] <Ray> he didnt expect me to say ubuntu ... threw him a bit
[13:27] <Kilos> i saw on the lunchtime news that microsoft is gonna work with the FBI to fight cybercrime
[13:28] <Ray> what .. to steal our data and keep tabs on us ? ...lol
[13:28] <Ray> big brother ..
[13:28] <Kilos> lol
[13:28] <Kilos> yo Zarw 
[13:29] <Ray> i offered one of my clients our solution on Linux (raspberry Pi) ... he said no he doesnt trust Linux ..???
[13:29] <Kilos> thats because of billy
[13:30] <Kilos> they said a while back that linux allows virii in
[13:30] <Ray> he's brainwashed the poor bugger
[13:30] <Kilos> meantime its other way around
[13:31] <Kilos> it was all scare tactics so he dont lose so many customers
[13:31] <Ray> probably just ignorant he is .. thats why i need to learn this stuff .. normally its all done out of our main office in Perth
[13:31] <Ray> were pushing out raspberry Pi's now as standard ... so i gotta know what im talking about
[13:31] <Kilos> get then to go too #ubuntu-au
[13:32] <Kilos> on irc
[13:32] <Kilos> theres lotsa ubuntu okes there
[13:32] <Ray> yep .. my man Lawrence is into it over there
[13:33] <Ray> and poked me in the ribs with a sharp stick to get it done
[13:33] <Ray> and here i am
[13:33] <Kilos> so Ray when are you seeing william?
[13:33] <Kilos> oh he got you here to us
[13:33] <magespawn> Ray what is it that you sell?
[13:33] <Kilos> clever man
[13:34] <Ray> dunno .. waiting for williams reply as to how to contact him
[13:34] <Ray> we do dynamic audio for telephone on hold, in store comms and in hotel rooms ... check out www.captivateglobal.com
[13:34] <Kilos> maybe Vince-0 can help you
[13:34] <Ray> only technology of its kind in the world
[13:35] <Ray> we insert 10 second news / weather and other dynamic content inbetween company promo's ... the content changes every day automatically
[13:36] <magespawn> instore radio?
[13:36] <Ray> only platform in the world that interfaces with VOIP
[13:36] <Ray> that too
[13:36] <Ray> on hold for phones is the big seller
[13:36] <Ray> SA companies struggle to "get it" tho
[13:37] <magespawn> and you run it on the pi?
[13:37] <Ray> sometimes takes years to convince them
[13:38] <Ray> yep mage ... either to a linear audio output ... or as a download script .. and copyover the a-law file in the MOH directory
[13:38] <Ray> some voip vendors in SA bundle our service with their systems
[13:39] <Ray> biggest prob with the Pi is people steal the memcards
[13:39] <Ray> but we cut them flush and tape off the slot now ...lol
[13:39] <magespawn> glue them in
[13:39] <Ray> cant .. they tend to go faulty if its dodgy mem .. then we cant change them
[13:40] <magespawn> ahh i see
[13:40] <Ray> only problem we ever have with the Pi is dodgy memory
[13:41] <Ray> we left one running on the dash in the sun to try break it ...got so hot we couldnt pick it up .. and it just carried on going
[13:42] <Ray> nifty lil things
[13:42] <magespawn> indeed
[13:42] <magespawn> can you network boot them?
[13:42] <Ray> they auto boot if you lose power .. so a reboot is as simple as unplugging .. and replugging
[13:42] <Ray> plus .. corporates dont like us having access .. so we show them how to change the password
[13:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_booting
[13:44] <Ray> not sure what linux flavor my man lawrence runs on them tho ... i just plug em into my router ... he configures them .. and i post them off
[13:44] <Ray> im good at poting them off ...lol
[13:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> i.e. boot them from an image accessed over a LAN instead of booting from a local disk/flash device
[13:44] <Ray> *posting
[13:45] <Ray> ahh i see
[13:45] <Ray> i will mention that to lawrence ..
[13:45] <tonberry352_> seems possible but still needs an sdcard to start it up
[13:46] <Ray> imho ... we should be running these services straight off our rotation server ... but corporates dont like inbound access
[13:46] <Ray> fine if it "fetches" ... but having something pushed to it ... is dodgy in their eyes
[13:46] <tonberry352_> how on earth do you get decent audio quality off a pi?
[13:47] <Ray> so we just do whatever makes them happy .. its their money
[13:47] <Ray> we use a-law wav files ... standard codecs on most phone systems
[13:48] <Ray> plus .. its just a dinky lil telephone speaker ... cant really get broadcast quality out of it anyways
[13:49] <Ray> though for windows it all runs on MP3 files
[13:49] <tonberry352_> true you don't really need or expect much quality from a phone
[13:50] <Ray> downloads playlist ... playluist checks file changes ... downloads changed files in mp3 ... orders and encodes them to alaw .. writes it into a single loop .. and overwrites the file in the MOH directory
[13:50] <Ray> yeh its not the sydney opera
[13:51] <Ray> the magic though is in the studio software ... the PI is a small part of it
[13:51] <Kilos> wbb. going to unity
[13:51] <Ray> just thanks kilos ..cya
[13:53] <Ray> k guys im off to do some work .. thanks for all your help
[15:26] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos 
[15:27] <Kilos> ohi kbmonkey 
[15:27] <kbmonkey> I was afk last night, but got your ping 
[15:27] <Kilos> hows things
[15:27] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:27] <Kilos> i forget why now
[15:27] <kbmonkey> when I am marked as 'away', and come back, it tells me who mentioned my name
[15:27] <Kilos> ah
[15:28] <kbmonkey> hows goeters that side?
[15:28] <Kilos> not too bad ty
[15:28] <kbmonkey> the wind is getting cold
[15:28] <Kilos> i wonder what i wanted
[15:28] <Kilos> dont moan we got ice in outside taps in the mornings
[15:29] <kbmonkey> yowza!
[15:29] <Kilos> do you have a time i said your name
[15:29] <kbmonkey> did you download crunchbang inthe end?
[15:29] <kbmonkey> 20:15 #ubuntu-za: < Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[15:29] <Kilos> ya but same no 3g thing
[15:29] <Kilos> grr
[15:29] <Kilos> gave up
[15:30] <kbmonkey> oh that was on the 4th, my bad
[15:30] <Kilos> lol i think what happened is
[15:31] <Kilos> lotsa netsplits etc yesterday and xchat shows peeps joining before they show away
[15:31] <Kilos> maybe thats why i said hi
[15:31] <Kilos> and crunchbang uses the x thing
[15:31] <kbmonkey> yup
[15:32] <Kilos> not lekker with all drives showing on desktop like that
[15:32] <Kilos> even unity is better
[15:32] <Kilos> hehe
[15:33] <kbmonkey> it does not allow desktop icons like that
[15:33] <Kilos> and the xthing dont have sound in xchat i need to use external stuff and modify /usr/share/sounds/ i think it was
[15:33] <Kilos> ok then thats xubuntu
[15:33] <kbmonkey> xthing?
[15:33] <Vince-0> suP!
[15:33] <kbmonkey> oh xubuntu.
[15:34] <kbmonkey> hi hi Vince-0 
[15:34] <Kilos> yo Vince-0 
[15:34]  * kbmonkey is rocking the Otep
[15:35] <Vince-0> nice! 
[15:35] <Vince-0> I have Heaven & Hell - Neverwhere
[15:36] <Kilos> i even joined you okeys googlegroup thing kbmonkey 
[15:37] <kbmonkey> we have a google group? o_O
[15:37] <Kilos> trying to get ubuntu for a noob
[15:37] <kbmonkey> hang on, my brain has holes today
[15:37] <Kilos> oh arent you with the lug okes
[15:37]  * Kilos hangs on
[15:37] <kbmonkey> had a 2 hour interview today, it went well. I aced the one puzzle
[15:37] <Kilos> another job?
[15:38] <Vince-0> ! I heard via the grapevine
[15:38] <kbmonkey> the one question I remember was in a Die Hard movie, ha ha
[15:39] <Kilos> what kinda interview is that
[15:39] <kbmonkey> it tests solution finding
[15:39] <Kilos> ah
[15:40] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you have a 5 litre and 3 litre containers, you have to only use those two and get a total of 4 litres in the end
[15:40] <Kilos> 2 in each
[15:41] <kbmonkey> 4 in one
[15:41] <Kilos> lol
[15:41] <kbmonkey> I found two of the possible 3 ways
[15:41] <Kilos> and sell the other one
[15:41] <kbmonkey> hehe
[15:41] <kbmonkey> yar, and make some action on the side
[15:44] <kbmonkey> almost weekend again, Vince-0, yeeeah
[15:44] <Vince-0> yar!
[15:47] <Vince-0> although I have to go Joburg to see family
[15:49] <kbmonkey> my sis went last weekend to see Chevelle play there
[15:50] <kbmonkey> not much of a fan myself, but must be a good show either way
[15:57] <Vince-0> yeah some guys from work went -said it was epic
[15:58] <Vince-0> not as epic as Metallica!
[15:58] <kbmonkey> agreed!
[16:07] <Vince-0> I've seen 'em twice in SA - blew my expectations both times
[16:11] <Vince-0> need more metal! Hopefully pull of a lil 3 fest tour in the EU next year this time
[16:11] <Vince-0> bbl
[16:11] <kbmonkey> okay, ciao ciao Vince-0 
[17:05] <Kilos> one thing about crunchbang kbmonkey speedy download
[17:06] <Kilos> 808m in 45 mins
[17:07] <Kilos> them torrents revved 8ta
[17:14] <kbmonkey> :)
[19:49] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:25] <Squirm-> evening
[20:55] <Squirm-> Maaz: tell Kilos that it's currently 2deg outside and it's only 11pm
[20:55] <Maaz> Squirm-: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[22:28] <confluency> tumbleweed: is Atrum down for everyone, or just me?