[03:20] <ahoneybun> hello all
[04:00] <ahoneybun> valorie: have we thought about how we are going to describe how to install steam/
[04:39] <valorie> ahoneybun: no clue, because I've never used it
[04:40] <ahoneybun> http://blog.davidglover.org/2013/02/15/kubuntu-steam/
[04:40] <ahoneybun> this helped me
[04:42] <valorie> well, his method looks overly complicated to me
[04:42] <valorie> is it really true that it's only available through the ubuntu software center?
[04:43] <valorie> I hate that pile of *^*&%
[04:44] <ahoneybun> yea well you can get the deb file from the steam website
[04:47] <ScottK> If it's available through the software center, JontheEchidna ought to be able to figure out how to get it into Muon SC too.
[04:48] <valorie> that's worth writing to the -devel list about, i think
[04:48] <valorie> our users should not have to install something or dl the .deb
[04:49] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you see bug 1186376 - seems like something we ought to have U/I for too.
[04:49] <valorie> or you can file a bug, ahoneybun
[04:49] <ahoneybun> yea agreed
[04:49] <ahoneybun> oh
[04:49] <valorie> probably the best idea
[04:50] <ahoneybun> where is muon hosted? bugs.kde.org?
[04:51] <valorie> launchpad should be fine, right?
[04:51] <valorie> this is a kubuntu issue
[04:51] <ScottK> valorie: It's on bugs.kde.org and it's not like it's use for anything else.
[04:51] <ScottK> I guess wherever JontheEchidna prefers.
[04:51] <valorie> ah, boo
[04:51] <ahoneybun> I see that it is on bugs.kde.org
[04:51] <valorie> I was hoping it would be more widely used
[04:52] <ScottK> It's almost in Debian.
[04:52] <ahoneybun> it is for debian
[04:52] <valorie> cool!
[04:52] <ahoneybun> well for debian and those based
[04:52] <valorie> right
[04:52] <valorie> it at least gets it more used, more tested, more known
[04:53] <ahoneybun> valorie: ScottK https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon
[04:53] <ahoneybun> it is not just muon though
[04:54] <ahoneybun> you can not find it in the repos with apt-cache search
[04:54] <valorie> that's bizarre
[04:54] <valorie> perhaps there is a special repository
[04:54] <ahoneybun> like it is not even in the iso at all but somehow is added with the install of USC
[04:55] <ahoneybun> darn beshell is so confusing
[05:02] <ahoneybun> valorie: I found why
[05:03] <ahoneybun> it is a deeper Kubuntu thing
[05:04] <ahoneybun> problem
[05:09] <valorie> well, I think that this would be a good problem for us to solve
[05:09] <valorie> our linux gamers want steam
[05:11] <ahoneybun> USC added a ppa
[05:11] <ahoneybun> https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/commercial-ppa-uploaders/steam/ubuntu
[05:14] <ahoneybun> valorie: hey I'm going to be host at denny's now
[05:14] <ahoneybun> a host
[05:14] <ahoneybun> I just got 4.10.4
[05:14] <ahoneybun> some parts it seems
[05:18] <valorie> grrr, our users shouldn't have to add a ppa either
[05:19] <valorie> there should be a partners repository, at least
[05:19] <ahoneybun> yea
[05:19] <ahoneybun> I know
[05:22] <ahoneybun> valorie: any news about the development subpage
[05:22] <ahoneybun> ?
[05:22] <valorie> not sure; just got home
[05:22] <valorie> haven't checked email yet
[05:24] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[05:24] <ahoneybun> I got a email from littlegirl
[05:25] <valorie> no one has edited the page
[05:25] <ahoneybun> yea
[05:27] <valorie> cool, I got one reply
[05:27] <ahoneybun> lordievader has been making great changes to the basic and getting involved pages
[05:28] <lordievader> Whoo I'm being praised :D
[05:28] <lordievader> Good morning everyone.
[05:28] <ahoneybun> lordievader: good morning lol
[05:28] <valorie> \o/
[05:28] <valorie> I'll look at stuff in a few mins
[05:29] <valorie> gotta get something to eat first
[05:29] <ahoneybun> k
[05:31] <ahoneybun> lordievader: yes I like the changes a lot
[05:31] <lordievader> :D
[05:31] <ahoneybun> \o/
[05:40] <soee> good morning
[05:40] <ahoneybun> soee: good morning
[05:41] <lordievader> Hey soee 
[05:49] <ahoneybun> away I go 
[08:34] <shadeslayer> :S
[09:16]  * Riddell wonders how grantlee ended up in universe
[09:37] <shadeslayer> xnox: so, turns out if I change line 506 in ./ubiquity/plugins/ubi-language.py to : if self.combobox.count() > 0 : self.combobox.clear() it doesn't give me the bug anymore
[09:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you check if you can reproduce bug 1187762
[09:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok, give me 20 mins
[09:46] <shadeslayer> sure
[10:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any luck?
[10:19] <dantti> do you guys know that usb-boot-creator is broken to install kubuntu images on usb right?
[10:22] <BluesKaj> HI all
[10:22] <jussi> dantti: since when? 
[10:23] <jussi> dantti: you are getting the "boot:" prompt? 
[10:23] <jussi> dantti: if so, use a larger usb - that was the issue for me
[10:24] <dantti> jussi: I have 13.04 installed, whenever I try to "burn" an iso of kubuntu to a pen drive it fails saying Gnu/version is not right (something like that...)
[10:25] <dantti> the pen drive has 8gb and installs fine with unetbootin
[10:25] <dantti> the issue happens with the gnome version too, so either the iso has something different or just that the usb-creator-core got broken
[10:26] <jussi> strange, Ive not had that issue.
[10:26] <jussi> and I made a usb just 2 days ago
[10:29] <dantti> I tried 13.10 iso and got the same issue btw
[10:29] <dantti> don't think I tried the Ubuntu iso
[10:40] <yofel> dantti: can you share your ~/.cache/usb-creator.log ? (If it's still at that place)
[10:41] <dantti> I think it is, let me look
[10:46] <dantti> yofel: ValueError: Invalid version string 'GNU/Linux'  http://paste.opensuse.org/94476799
[10:47] <dantti> yofel: the full file has 2.4 mb
[10:47] <dantti> there you have the py trace
[10:48] <yofel> o.O
[11:02] <shadeslayer> I've always used dd
[11:02] <shadeslayer> xnox: can you point me to where ubiquity caches things?
[11:04] <xnox> shadeslayer: debconf database, /var/lib/partman, /var/lib/ubiquity, just widgets in your toolkit preserving state..... what do you mean?
[11:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't think I can recreate it
[11:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: odd, are you running this on actual hardware?
[11:05] <shadeslayer> because I can't reproduce it on VBox and KVM
[11:05] <shadeslayer> but can reproduce on actual hardware
[11:05] <shadeslayer> xnox: widgets ....
[11:06] <xnox> shadeslayer: hmm... i never touched kde-qt frontend so no idea. in gtk all pages are actually pages of the notebook, and if the widget is never destroyed "going back" to previous page, will show everything as it was.
[11:06] <shadeslayer> I see
[11:07] <shadeslayer> ( FWIW my count fix does not work, I was falsely led into thinking it works by my VM )
[11:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes on a live image from last week where kwin doesn't work properly, doing a dist-upgrade now
[11:07] <Riddell> live hardware
[11:07] <shadeslayer> okie
[11:08] <shadeslayer> so when you click the drop down list for the very first time in the live session it shows you the list
[11:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes
[11:12] <dantti> funny creating the disk with the i386 image worked :/
[11:14] <shadeslayer> :S
[11:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I can reliably reproduce it 
[11:19] <Peace-> dantti: ?? 
[11:20] <yofel> dantti: I'll take a look once I'm back from work, thanks for the trace in any case
[11:21] <dantti> yofel: ok, np :) sadly I'm having a hard time to reinstall it on my macbook :P
[11:21] <yofel> I usually use dd so haven't tried usb-creator in quite a while
[11:28] <Riddell> usb-creator is quite badly maintained generally :(
[11:32] <shadeslayer> xnox: so I started ubiquity with -d and added some self.debug and print calls in ubi-language.py , but I don't see anything on the console
[11:47] <leandrosansilva> Hello to all. It seems there's a bug in older than 4.8.4 Qt with makes kdevelop crashes due a problem in libQTScript
[11:47] <leandrosansilva> I'm using the kubuntu-ppa and the qt version in 12.04 is 4.8.2
[11:48] <leandrosansilva> kdevelop almost doesn't keep running for a few minutes due this bugs
[11:48] <leandrosansilva> Is there a repository for kubuntu 12.04 with a packaged qt 4.8.4?
[11:49] <leandrosansilva> I'm using the backports
[11:52] <Riddell> ug, qtscript, our nemesis
[11:52] <Riddell> yofel did an update for that for amarok no?
[11:53] <yofel> Riddell: I didn't get to it yet... 
[11:53] <yofel> it's only fixed in saucy so far, and I could copy the ppa package for raring, but everything else is still TODO
[11:56] <leandrosansilva> And is there any "easy" way to package qt 4.8.4 manually for precise?
[11:57] <leandrosansilva> any scripts?
[11:57] <Riddell> leandrosansilva: is this easily reproducable?
[11:58] <Riddell> cos updating kdevelop is on my todo after calligra (which I'm onto now)
[12:00] <leandrosansilva> Riddell, yes, it is. Currently even I compiling kdevelop with dbg support, it generates useless backtraces because the thread which crashes does this due qtscript. I'm installing dbg support in qt right know (it takes a long time, internet in Brazil is really slow). But as soon I get a valid backtrace I'll report you
[12:01] <leandrosansilva> I recompile kdevelop from master branch almost every week
[12:01] <leandrosansilva> with -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug
[12:02] <leandrosansilva> and the problem always happens outside its code
[12:05] <leandrosansilva> Riddell, here's a backtrace showing something happening in kate+libqtscript
[12:05] <leandrosansilva> http://paste.kde.org/760628/
[12:08] <Riddell> leandrosansilva: so this is kdevelop in master?
[12:08]  * Riddell out to hot desking
[12:10]  * shadeslayer waves fist at ubiquity
[12:10] <yofel> leandrosansilva: how did you get that kate crash?
[12:11] <leandrosansilva> Riddell. yes, it's kdevelop from master. In fact its from last week. I haven't updated in the current week, but that errors have been happening for a long time
[12:13] <leandrosansilva> yofel, I've just installed *.dbg stuffs from qt.  as kdevelop crashed in the middle of the update, it may have cought something from kate (I think). I'm trying to crash kdevelop again here to get a valid backtrace 
[12:16] <yofel> thanks
[12:16] <leandrosansilva> But it doesn't want to crach anymore. Maybe becuse I'm running it inside gdb...
[12:17] <yofel> hehe
[13:02] <shadeslayer> this makes no sense at all -.-
[13:17] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1188590] old version of Qt 4.8 causes crashes in various Qt applications @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1188590 (by Sven B.)
[13:42] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[13:43] <menace> Hi, will be KDE 4.11[.x] imported into the kubuntu-backports for 12.04?
[13:46] <lordievader> Is lightdm in Saucy broken? Since today I can no longer login normally, must say that I have enabled the ninja ppa yesterday.
[13:47] <yofel> menace: yet to be determined, but it looks possible so far
[13:47] <menace> "possible" sounds like 50:50 chance :D
[13:49] <yofel> well, the dev branch still builds for precise in project neon, so it's not impossible. But nobody took a closer look at how well it works yet
[13:50] <yofel> lordievader: probably the same issue BluesKaj had I guess?
[13:51] <lordievader> Not sure, might be. BluesKaj you around?
[13:51] <BluesKaj> yofel, lordievader yeah , I still have the login issue ...lord did you lose your permissions for alsa , i had to re-add my username to the audio group 
[13:51] <lordievader> All I see is the blue/purple background and after a while I get "There was a system error" message (or something along those lines)
[13:51] <BluesKaj> lordievader,^
[13:52] <lordievader> BluesKaj: With permission for alsa you mean if I'm still in the audio group?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> I don't get an error at login , lightdm just doesn'r do anything
[13:52] <lordievader> That might be Unity related then.
[13:53] <BluesKaj> lordievader, yes check your audio group
[13:53] <lordievader> I'm still in the audio group, BluesKaj 
[13:54] <BluesKaj> ok lordievader thanks ...maybe just an anomaly here , but it seems odd
[13:56] <BluesKaj> anyway i have my audio cards setup and working 
[13:56] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Is there a bug-report on this?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> I reported the login issue here , i didn't bother filing a bug since I seemed to be the only user affected at the time
[13:59] <BluesKaj> my logs are showing apport errors again 
[14:02] <BluesKaj> for eg ERROR: apport (pid 16497) Wed Jun  5 08:57:33 2013: is_closing_session(): no DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS in environment
[14:02] <yofel> hm, do you still have that upstart user session thing enabled?
[14:03] <lordievader> yofel: I think I do, what file was that again?
[14:03] <yofel> I forgot, lets see if I find that in the backlog
[14:03] <BluesKaj>  File "/usr/share/apport/apport", line 54, in drop_privileges
[14:03] <BluesKaj>     stat = os.stat('/proc/' + pid)
[14:05] <BluesKaj> oops . my apologies
[14:06] <yofel> lordievader: /etc/upstart-xsessions
[14:06] <lordievader> yofel: Ah thank you, yes kde-plasma is still in there. I'll test if removing it fixes the problem.
[14:10] <lordievader> Thank you yofel, removing the line fixed the problem. BluesKaj perhaps this works for you too.
[14:10] <yofel> :S
[14:10] <lordievader> So the upstart thingie is broken?
[14:11] <yofel> it does look so if disabling it fixed your session
[14:11] <yofel> Riddell: ^ if you could take a look. I probably won't before Sunday
[14:12] <lordievader> yofel: What is actually the advantage of using upstart here instead of, euhmm, doing it the normal way?
[14:13] <yofel> I believe it allows better isolation of individual sessions. I didn't have time to look much at it yet
[14:13] <yofel> it's supposed to allow removal of ubiquity-dm which would make the session management on the live disk easier
[14:14] <BluesKaj> ok , removed it ...brb 
[14:15] <Riddell> lordievader: what's up?
[14:16] <debfx> lordievader: it allows you to use upstart session jobs. for example you can define jobs that run an application when you plug in a specific usb device.
[14:16] <lordievader> That is neat :D Too bad it doesn't seem to work :(
[14:17] <lordievader> Riddell: Well since today if the "kde-plasma" line is present in the /etc/upstart-xsession file I cannot login to the KDE desktop.
[14:18]  * yofel notes that this is with 4.10.4 from the PPA
[14:18] <BluesKaj> yup, kde-plasma removal works ..logged in fine 
[14:18] <Riddell> mm, we've got a of couple of weeks before that gets made default so it'll need looked into
[14:19] <Riddell> need to see if it's something in the merged packages of 4.10.4 that makes the difference or something external
[14:19] <lordievader> Yes, ninja ppa is activated.
[14:23] <BluesKaj> oh yeah , meant to ask , where can i find the  GPG key for yofel ninja ppa ?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> tired of looking at the erors
[14:23] <yofel> BluesKaj: gpg key?
[14:23] <yofel> BluesKaj: you mean the deb line for the apt sources?
[14:23] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:24] <yofel> BluesKaj: I'll pm you mine. For private PPA's every person with access gets a personal access key from launchpad.
[14:35] <BluesKaj> hmm, not working for me , still erroring and complaining about GPG key for your ppa , yofel , if drop the deb off the URL I get your login but then it 404s
[14:35] <yofel> BluesKaj: meh, it's friday and I'm tired. You're getting an untrusted warning because the gpg key is missing?
[14:36] <Quintasan> \p
[14:36] <Quintasan> \o*
[14:36]  * Quintasan fails at greeting
[14:36] <BluesKaj> yofel, well , let's not get hung up on it ..it's no biggie 
[14:36] <Quintasan> That said I somehow managed to pass two subjects
[14:37] <yofel> BluesKaj: can you pastebin the warning please? I'll tell you how to fix it then
[14:37] <yofel> Quintasan: \o/
[14:37] <yofel> Quintasan: and it looks like we're both glad it's friday :P
[14:37] <Quintasan> How did I do that is a mystery to me
[14:37] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Are you looking for this: http://systembash.com/content/apt-get-update-gpg-key-errors-and-fix/
[14:37] <Quintasan> yofel: I'm not, calculus 2 next Tuesday
[14:38] <Quintasan> and as much as I don't like it I don't think I will pass that
[14:39] <yofel> yeah, that page is essentially right, though I always wonder why people go an extra way when adding keys batching commands together
[14:39] <yofel> just 'sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com <key>' is enough
[14:41] <BluesKaj> yofel, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5742093/
[14:41] <yofel> BluesKaj: sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com B2C30B9A0945A8E2
[14:41] <yofel> after that run update again
[14:42] <BluesKaj> lordievader, i tried that app before and stopped working so i haven't bothered with it lately
[14:42] <yofel> as for the backports, those have nothing for saucy yet that's why they 404
[14:42] <BluesKaj> yofel, doh!
[14:43]  * BluesKaj facepalms
[14:43] <BluesKaj> yeah i commented them already
[14:45] <BluesKaj> guess my short term memory is getting shorter
[14:46] <yofel> well, I would like launchpad to simply do a blank initialization of every PPA sometimes too :/
[14:46] <yofel> would make my sources management easier...
[14:47] <yofel> bbl
[14:50] <BluesKaj> muon is a pita , the changes made in the sources.list aren't reflected there after an update , have to edit it manually
[14:52] <BluesKaj> it's been like that for a while 
[15:21] <ahoneybun> valorie: check out the steam page
[15:23] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Have you changed it? Did you read my comment, btw?
[15:23] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I read and commented back, I added a ss
[15:34] <Riddell> tariq: not e-mailed yet?
[15:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: While I'm at reminding you to mail me the tablet someday. I just got back the damn tshirt from post office
[15:55] <Quintasan> Darkwing: Still want the Kubuntu tshirt?
[15:57] <Riddell> Quintasan: t-shirt?
[15:57] <Riddell> Quintasan: tablet is in the post
[15:57] <Quintasan> Riddell: Good, tshirt, polo, whatever you call it
[15:58] <Quintasan> You gave me two at UDS and I was supposed to send one to Darkwing, I did but he said he doesn't have it and they didn't return it either
[15:58] <Quintasan> But now I found a ticket in postbox saying like "bro we have your package back"
[15:59] <Quintasan> I wonder how the hell did they manage to do that.
[16:01] <Riddell> not improbable, I remember sending a box of kubuntu CDs to freeflyi1g and getting it back some months later
[16:02] <Quintasan> Well, that said if Darkwing gives me his new address I will send him one of those.
[16:02] <ahoneybun> Quintasan: tshirt!
[16:03] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: Hm?
[16:03] <ahoneybun> I would love a kubuntu tshirt show my pride!
[16:05] <BluesKaj> unfortunately most T's don't come in my size ...but I can live without a kubuntu T , since ppl would be asking incessant questions about kubuntu, which will eventually bore me to tears
[16:05] <Quintasan> Sorry, I've got only two of those and I want one for myself :P
[16:05] <ahoneybun> Quintasan: that's ok I just would like a official one sometime
[16:07] <ahoneybun> just in general
[16:07] <ahoneybun> lordievader: you there?
[16:07] <ahoneybun> Riddell: have you see the progress
[16:07] <ahoneybun> ?
[16:07] <Riddell> ahoneybun: you can order some business cards if you want something official
[16:07] <Riddell> ahoneybun: nope, what's new?
[16:07] <ahoneybun> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs
[16:08] <BluesKaj> question , what's kubuntu ? Answer , It's a computer operating system , Question what's a computer opersting system , ad nauseum ...blah blah
[16:09] <BluesKaj> made the mistake of wearing a "cranky Geeks" T-shirt to a gig ...big mistake :(
[16:09] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: Can I edit those right away if I see something wrong or you want me to report that?
[16:09] <ahoneybun> Quintasan: edit just make a comment somewhere
[16:09] <Quintasan> I see.
[16:10] <Riddell> ahoneybun: how is working on the wiki?
[16:10] <ahoneybun> Riddell: how is it going or how do I like using the wiki?
[16:11] <Riddell> ahoneybun: how do you like?
[16:11] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I like the wiki it
[16:11] <ahoneybun> it's pretty easy to me but I have some more to learn from lordievader
[16:12] <Riddell> hah, you say that and now I'm getting "Internal Server Error" from the wiki
[16:13] <yofel> same here
[16:14] <ahoneybun> Riddell: that seems to happen a bit when a lot of people are trying to view/edit it I think
[16:14] <yofel> now it works
[16:15] <ahoneybun> Riddell: have you read the kubuntu-devel list
[16:16] <ahoneybun> ?
[16:17] <Riddell> ahoneybun: valorie's request for devel docs review is still in my unread box alas
[16:18]  * yofel notes that software-properties-kde can handle 'ppa:foo/bar' URL's too
[16:19] <yofel> even if the UI itself doesn't say so
[16:21] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[16:31] <Quintasan> ScottK: Did you get around to signing my key?
[17:24] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Back, you know the whole Moin wiki is new to me too ;)
[17:37] <ahoneybun> lordievader: quick learner then
[17:38] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I read man/help pages ;)
[17:38] <ahoneybun> nice
[18:17] <ahoneybun> what is the diffence between the 64-bit and the MAC 64-bit images?
[18:57] <ahoneybun> valorie: I believe that we should have a video meeting again to look at what we have so far and brainstorm for more content.
[18:58] <ScottK> ahoneybun: There are some specific Mac variants that won't boot the normal image.  IIRC shadeslayer knows which ones.
[18:59] <ahoneybun> oh ok my MacBook boots the normal 64 bit one
[19:01] <ScottK> It's only a few specific ones that don't.
[20:53] <sheytan> hey guys
[20:53] <sheytan> any iso with 13.10 and kernel 3.9?
[20:54] <sheytan> i would like to test the OPTIMUS driver stuff
[20:55] <yofel> sheytan: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ - no guarantee that it works
[21:03] <sheytan> yofel: thanks! :)
[21:19] <Hubert-01> Is there life out there? 
[21:27] <Hubert-01> It's so quiet here
[21:28] <valorie> are you kidding? I finally finished reading the backlog, lol
[21:28] <genii> Hubert-01: Sometimes they get to the yelling and screaming when there's a problem :) Just not right now.
[21:28] <valorie> too busy!
[21:30] <Hubert-01> oh, I've got no problem 
[22:17] <ahoneybun> valorie: what?
[22:19] <valorie> I just finished working more on the steam page, and gave some feedback on trello
[22:19] <valorie> didn't ping you in particular though
[22:34] <ahoneybun> yea I know
[22:36] <Riddell> valorie: is steam easy to get working?
[22:36] <valorie> no idea
[22:37] <valorie> but i know it's popular
[22:37] <valorie> therefore we should mention it in our docs
[22:37] <Riddell> yeah
[22:37] <valorie> also: we should make it easier
[22:39] <ahoneybun> Riddell: you need a private ppa to get it that is added when you install USC
[22:45] <Riddell> hmm
[22:46] <Riddell> USC being ubuntu software centre?
[22:46] <ahoneybun> yes
[22:46] <Riddell> I thought we didn't allow adding PPAs automatically
[22:46] <ahoneybun> it said it was added
[22:47] <ahoneybun> added by software center
[22:49] <ahoneybun> Riddell: yes automatically
[22:58] <yofel> ahoneybun: USC or steam?
[22:58] <Riddell> ScottK: isn't there a policy against packages doing that?
[22:58] <yofel> I know steam adds a repository for itself, but USC should't be allowed to do that
[22:58] <yofel> though steam is trivial to install really
[22:59] <ahoneybun> If I installed USC then steam though it
[22:59] <ahoneybun> yofel: not to a new user
[22:59] <yofel> ahoneybun: installing the downloaded .deb doesn't work?
[22:59] <yofel> it did for me
[23:00] <ahoneybun> yofel: I'm not saying it did not work, just not installable though Muon
[23:00] <yofel> ah
[23:00] <valorie> as I understand it, humble bundles are available ONLY through the USC
[23:00] <valorie> not even cli
[23:01] <yofel> yeah, that doesn't have the 3rd party section USC has
[23:01] <valorie> sucks that they force the pile of *^*^% on everyone for that
[23:01] <ahoneybun> yofel: maybe when steam is installed then it adds the repo
[23:02] <yofel> ahoneybun: right, it does add one so I guess that's the one you mean
[23:02] <ScottK> Doing which?
[23:02] <ahoneybun> valorie: you can use the deb files
[23:02] <ahoneybun> yofel: I think so
[23:02] <valorie> for humble bundle?
[23:02] <ahoneybun> but for some reason you can't see steam to install without USC
[23:02] <ahoneybun> valorie: yea on the download page
[23:03] <valorie> ok, then that should be added to the steam page
[23:03] <valorie> I have wrong /incomplete info
[23:05] <ahoneybun> valorie: that's what I do
[23:07] <ahoneybun> ok so even with the repo I can't see steam in muon 
[23:07]  * valorie is working on internet page atm
[23:09] <ahoneybun> muon package manager can see the launcher, muon software center sees nothing
[23:10] <ahoneybun> and cli can see it all
[23:11] <ahoneybun> so maybe the ppa does not do the work
[23:13] <ScottK> MSC, by design, only sees things that are applications that users may want to install directly.  It doesn't show libraries and "technical things".
[23:13] <ScottK> There's a package with a list of what's an application, but I don't recall it's name.
[23:13] <ScottK> MSC doesn't internally decide.
[23:14] <yofel> it decides from app-install-data, no?
[23:14] <ScottK> Yes.  or apt-xapian-index, if that's not the same thing.
[23:15] <yofel> steam certainly isn't part of app-install-data as it's 3rd party, even if it ships a steam.desktop
[23:42] <valorie> ahoneybun: I don't have time today to fix that steam page, so I hope you can do so
[23:42] <valorie> another busy night tonight
[23:44] <utusan> is 4.11 in for saucy?
[23:45] <yofel> utusan: there is no 4.11 for another 5 days when we *start* working on it. Might be in for alpha1 (due 21st I think)
[23:47] <utusan> yofel: Thanks, I can wait bec looks like there's a ton of 4.10.3 updates when 4.10.4 is out already
[23:48] <yofel> utusan: do you mean 4.10.4 or 4.11? .4 was uploaded to saucy yesterday
[23:48] <utusan> kubuntu has this annoying habit  of dumping updates of the prev version when a newer version is out
[23:48] <yofel> if it's not fully available yet then it's probably stuck in the build queue
[23:49] <utusan> yeah it's .3 still
[23:50] <yofel> utusan: uh, we do have .4 in the PPA's for 12.04-13.04 though
[23:50] <yofel> saucy just had the lowest priority
[23:51] <utusan> BTW congrats yofel 
[23:52] <yofel> thanks ^^
[23:54] <yofel> utusan: yep, most of .4 for saucy is stuck in -proposed because armhf and powerpc are a bit slow. Should be mostly done tomorrow I would say
[23:57] <utusan> I'll just wait for 4.11