[01:25] <atrus> anybody using a hidden wifi access point with ubuntu-gnome + 3.8 ppa + staging? it seems like i have to manually teach the system about the hidden essid (with iwlist) every time i boot.
[01:55] <darkxst> atrus, no, but there is not point hiding SSID
[01:55] <darkxst> it is trivial to find networks with hidden ssids'
[01:55] <atrus> i don't run the AP, i won't be able to make that call :/
[01:56] <atrus> convince the guys running our corporate global cisco solution to do otherwise, and it won't be a problem ;)
[01:57] <darkxst> atrus, have you tried setting up connection via nm-connection-editor?
[01:57] <atrus> i'll have to try when i'm at work again.
[01:57] <atrus> or try setting up a hidden one at home maybe, for experimentation purposes :)
[01:57] <darkxst> that should be persistent
[01:58] <atrus> the thing is, i set it up vian nm-connection-editor months ago, it only stopped working after upgrading to 3.8
[02:03] <darkxst> atrus, well try that again, and if it still doesnt work file a nm bug
[02:32] <bjsnider> atrus, give me the phone number for your global corporate cisco solution and i'll talk to them about it
[02:32] <bjsnider> can't guarantee success
[02:33] <atrus> ;)
[15:47] <n0yd> Hey guys
[15:49] <n0yd> I am well aware using the gnome3 regular, and staging ppas,  and the gnome3 ppa from ricoh (one of the devs whoich vcreates an addon to to the two official ppas) may cause breakage
[15:49] <n0yd> And breakage is fun and great. This isnt a production machine, 9its a test machine to fiddle with
[15:50] <n0yd> Anyways, I recently ran the upgrade, and I think it upgraded to 3.8.2 gnome
[15:50] <n0yd> Since there isnt an easy to find help/about dialog like there was gnome2, where do I find what version I am running?
[15:51] <n0yd> Cause Id like changing the json on some of the extensiuons to see if they will work like they did with some other ones
[15:53] <n0yd> btw darkxst hey bud :)
[15:53] <n0yd> howsz it going?
[15:53] <n0yd> thanks for the help the other day
[15:56] <ricotz> n0yd, "apt-cache policy gnome-shell" will tell you what gnome-shell is installed
[15:57] <n0yd> ah its rico!
[15:57] <n0yd> good work on your ppas man!
[15:57] <n0yd> enjoying the tinkering :)
[15:57] <n0yd> hmm 3.9.2
[15:57] <n0yd> well that did it
[15:58] <n0yd> 3.9.2 is the dev number for 3.10 iirc right?
[15:58] <ricotz> yes, 3.9.x will become 3.10
[15:58] <ricotz> thanks
[15:59] <n0yd> ricotz, ?If I have the regular gnome3 ppa, the gnome3 staging, and yours, is it just yours thatr will push oit to 3.9.x?
[15:59] <ricotz> yes
[15:59] <n0yd> basically im wondering what ppas I can keep if any
[15:59] <n0yd> ok
[15:59] <n0yd> great
[15:59] <n0yd> '
[15:59] <n0yd> Cause I really want full 3.8
[15:59] <ricotz> gnome3 ppa will provide only gnome 3.8 for raring
[15:59] <n0yd> #.6 with 3.8 bits is quite lame
[15:59] <n0yd> yup
[16:00]  * n0yd grabs ppa-purge
[16:00] <ricotz> for saucy it is suppose to provide 3.9/3.10 at some point
[16:00] <n0yd> yu7a
[16:00] <n0yd> I was playing with it
[16:00] <n0yd> gnome3 has some saucy stuff
[16:01] <n0yd> and yours does also, but not staging
[16:01] <n0yd> iirc
[16:01] <n0yd> staging was the only one without any dist for it
[16:01] <ricotz> gnome3 ppas dont have a saucy pocket
[16:01] <ricotz> .. yet
[16:01] <n0yd> hmm, well it didnt error on the stdard one, just the staging
[16:01] <n0yd> iirc
[16:02] <n0yd> im n0ot saying ALL the pkgs
[16:02] <n0yd> just one or two
[16:02] <n0yd> whereas stagiung wouldnt work at all
[16:02] <ricotz> ok, i am saying there are none ;)
[16:03] <n0yd> maybe so
[16:03] <n0yd> i only ran it for like 10mi9n lol
[16:03] <ricotz> anyway, if the 3.8 settled i hope we will push some 3.9/3.10 bits
[16:03] <n0yd> cool
[16:03] <n0yd> I would use the 3.9 stuff but really, gnome3 needs extensions to be usable
[16:03] <n0yd> I wholeheartedly agree with Linus (and thats a rarity)
[16:04] <ricotz> n0yd, complain about that upstream
[16:04] <n0yd> I have ;)
[16:04] <n0yd> and will continue to
[16:04] <ricotz> although we provide the official extension which are working
[16:04] <n0yd> I hope they just add some of the extensions as options
[16:04] <n0yd> Like they already have
[16:05] <n0yd> Like removing the name from the status menu on the panel, used to be a extension
[16:05] <n0yd> now its in privacy
[16:05] <n0yd> ricotz, did you notice currently oin 3.9 using the ppa, maccounts is broken
[16:05] <n0yd> at least the accounts for empatrhy
[16:06] <n0yd> it opens, you click the service, and nothing loads. blank screen
[16:06] <ricotz> right, if those tweaks make sense will might be included directly
[16:06] <n0yd> id troubleshoot more, but im purging
[16:06] <n0yd> yup
[16:06] <ricotz> you mean the g-c-c settings
[16:07] <n0yd> And either take the stuff from tweak tool and incorporate them, or put tweak tool into gnome3 as an standard app
[16:07] <n0yd> on A STOCK INSTALL
[16:07] <n0yd> woops caps sorry
[16:07] <n0yd> g-c-c settings?
[16:07] <n0yd> Well in gnome atm, for some reason, we have two account settings under system settings
[16:07] <ricotz> the online-accounts settings in gnome-control-center
[16:08] <n0yd> one thats a two parts of a globe, and onje thats a globe witha  keyt
[16:08] <n0yd> thye two parts globe, does not work
[16:08] <n0yd> which is the one empathy uses
[16:08] <n0yd> i dont even know why there are two anbyway
[16:08] <n0yd> That should be fixed somewhere down the road as it will definitely cause user confusion
[16:08] <ricotz> empathy uses the account set up in the "global with key"
[16:08] <n0yd> uhh no it doesnt
[16:09] <ricotz> global/globe
[16:09] <n0yd> im using it now
[16:09] <n0yd> I oipen empathjy, hit add accounts, and it lauches the accounjt settings that looks like two halves of a globe that plugs into eaCHOTHER
[16:09] <n0yd> oh wait
[16:09] <n0yd> im sorry
[16:09] <n0yd> your right
[16:10] <n0yd> ii hAD THE Icons mixed
[16:10] <n0yd> it uses the one on the right
[16:10] <jbicha> n0yd: UOA being broken should have been fixed with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/account-plugins/0.11daily13.06.06-0ubuntu1
[16:10] <n0yd> the globe with key
[16:10] <n0yd> and yes, empathy uses it, and dpoesnt work
[16:10] <n0yd> jbicha, UOA? i dont feel like clicking thjat link, thbat appl,ies to what we arew talkiung about?
[16:10] <jbicha> I'm going to request that "Ubuntu Online Accounts" be clearly marked as such in GNOME
[16:10] <n0yd> I had updatedx about 2hrs ago, and ir was broke
[16:11] <n0yd> That would be a good idea
[16:11] <ricotz> jbicha, ah missed that update account-plugins
[16:11] <n0yd> But why cant they justr all be in one
[16:11] <n0yd> I meAN, ffsa. wHY SHOULD A USER HAVE TO PUT IN THEIR gOOGLE CREDENTIALS IN TWO PLACES
[16:11] <n0yd> Its redundant and silly
[16:12] <n0yd> sorry for the caps, i just changed backed to the thinkpad okbd, and im not usewd to it
[16:13] <n0yd> A user should just have to put their google credentials in once, and have that be it.  Of course they can always go in ands change what thoise credentials allow, ie. chat, email, shotwell/picasa etc. Just like in "Accounts" in Android
[16:14] <n0yd> I dont even know where I would go to voice that issue
[16:14] <n0yd> Because the gnome guys on gimpnet would say its a distro istro or some nonsense
[16:14] <n0yd> Also, I wonder why ubuntu gnome doesnt use "Boxes" like Fedora19 does. its an AWESOME feature
[16:15] <n0yd> ricotz, I see you work on plank
[16:15] <n0yd> Which drivesz docky, and eOS' "Pantheon" or whatever its called
[16:16] <ricotz> jbicha, any objections to copy automake1.13 to gnome3 ppa?
[16:16] <n0yd> Do you know of a way to build their dock, or get a deb of it?
[16:16] <n0yd> he quit
[16:16] <n0yd> I use docky a lot, but would mlike to test pantheon and see if its a ny different, or as I exsspect just a renamed docky
[16:16] <n0yd> Like 75 percent of eOS is
[16:17] <ricotz> n0yd, plank isnt feature equal with docky2 and won't be
[16:17] <ricotz> so you cant really compare it
[16:17] <n0yd> newver heard of docky2?
[16:17] <n0yd> Is that the current docky
[16:18] <n0yd> thjats used atm
[16:18] <n0yd> lkike if I apt-get docky
[16:18] <ricotz> n0yd, you can try the matching elementary ppa to test pantheon
[16:18] <n0yd> or is it in development stafe
[16:18] <ricotz> yes i mean the current docky 2.x
[16:18] <ricotz> which uses mono
[16:18] <n0yd> oh i saw it used mono
[16:19] <n0yd> so its not planky no longer?
[16:19] <n0yd> mono is quite lame imho
[16:19] <n0yd> yuse a language native to linux imho
[16:19] <n0yd> but inmj old school in that way
[16:19] <n0yd> paint.net is nice though, but doesnt work good in mono
[16:20] <n0yd> do you know where to find the pantheon ppa?
[16:20] <n0yd> Cause they call everything pantheon
[16:20] <ricotz> plank is the new thing which is suppose to be the base for docky3
[16:21] <ricotz> and it is written in vala
[16:21] <n0yd> And i just want the dock
[16:21] <n0yd> https://launchpad.net/~elementary-os/+archive/daily
[16:21] <n0yd> oh cool
[16:21] <n0yd> I like vala
[16:21] <ricotz> if you just want the dock ppa:ricotz/docky
[16:21] <n0yd> ya but thats JUST [p-lank
[16:21] <n0yd> ill try it
[16:22] <ricotz> otherwise ppa:elementary-os/testing
[16:22] <n0yd> does it allow me to change monitor eASILY?
[16:22] <n0yd> (plank)
[16:22] <ricotz> ah no, elementary-os/daily for raring
[16:22] <n0yd> like docky, just open settings, highly the dock you want, and drag
[16:22] <n0yd> cause im multyi monitor, laptop and monitor
[16:23] <n0yd> with monitor external as main
[16:23] <ricotz> no, you have to edit a settings file
[16:23] <n0yd> oh ok
[16:23] <n0yd> no biggie as long as thesettings file is sane
[16:23] <n0yd> like conkyrc or similar
[16:24] <n0yd> ricotz, hmm purging your ppa went bad
[16:24] <n0yd> lots of errors, I will pastebin if you dont mind trying to help
[16:25] <n0yd> ricotz, http://pastebin.com/9NX6v1d4
[16:25] <n0yd> thats where it sytarted to get messy lemme know if you need more
[16:25] <n0yd> im sure i can fix it
[16:26] <n0yd> hmm apt-get -f install saw no problems
[16:28] <n0yd> just had to upgrae after
[16:28] <n0yd> I think that should fix it all
[16:28] <n0yd> cause most if not all the bitching are packages contained in the upgrade
[16:29] <n0yd> hmm wonder why my docky randomly crashes/closes sometimes
[16:29] <n0yd> without error
[16:31] <n0yd> ricotz, any chance you use conky?
[16:34] <ricotz> n0yd, conky that "widget thingy"? no idea
[16:34] <ricotz> so no ;)
[16:36] <n0yd> hyeh its ok
[16:36] <n0yd> its not really a widget
[16:36] <n0yd> as you cant click it
[16:36] <n0yd> ricotz, here is a really busy example http://laabiyad.deviantart.com/art/Conky-Laabiyad-350943668
[16:37] <n0yd> ricotz, more simple example http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/021/d/4/nconky_by_necromod-d5s594a.png
[16:37] <n0yd> Currently mine is just a readable time and date
[16:48] <ricotz> i see
[17:15] <n0yd> hey ricotz im as bit perplexed
[17:16] <n0yd> I did a reboot, and gnome-shell still sayts 3.9.2 after the purge
[17:16] <n0yd> the stuff i see in gnome3 ppa is all 3.8.2 and siuch
[17:17] <n0yd> since ppa-piurge didnt downgrade like it shouldve, how should I do it?
[17:17] <n0yd> if yoyu dont minds helping
[17:17] <n0yd> if you are, then just say so :)
[17:23] <n0yd> looks like it might fix it with ppurge AND aptitude
[17:23] <n0yd> We'll see what breakagew occurs now :P
[21:47] <FrozenFire> Anyone ever successfully get GEdit snippet regular expression placeholders working?
[21:47] <FrozenFire> I've found that they seem just to break the edit, creating an undeletable "tabstop" area.
[22:02] <FrozenFire> Resorted to Python
[22:02] <FrozenFire> Blegh
[22:43] <darkxst> jbicha, 3.8.3 is quite disruptive for a point release ;(
[22:43] <jbicha> darkxst: which package?
[22:44] <darkxst> jbicha, they swapped out the input source switcher, so affects g-s-d/g-c-c/mutter and shell
[22:48] <jbicha> in general, gnome is a lousy upstream, they only do a couple quick bugfix releases and they don't really follow their own freeze policies
[22:49] <jbicha> I guess it works ok for Fedora since Fedora releases after the last major bugfix release
[22:49] <jbicha> technically we aren't using that input switcher because it's part of the ibus integration, right?
[22:54] <darkxst> I think its still used with xkb, just somewhat limited in that case
[23:33] <jbicha> I wasn't expecting gnome releases on a Friday evening
[23:35] <jbicha> I guess the input switcher stuff breaks tweak tool?
[23:42] <darkxst> jbicha, yes I suspect it would
[23:58] <darkxst> jbicha, what package provides the input switcher applet in unity?