=== Aww is now known as Gingersnap === Gingersnap is now known as Aww [00:58] Hello... [00:58] Where can I find LG Nexus 4, Android 4.2.2? :) [00:59] When I flashed Ubuntu Touch, it deleted my backup (from CWM)... It have never done this before... [01:00] ... the backup was my Android 4.2.2, so now it is gone... [01:10] Found it... :) [01:10] I was hoping I could try out (and develop) for Ubuntu Touch at the same time I could use Android 4.2. But no? [01:14] nexus 7 and ubuntu touch on it: can i make calls? [01:29] guest1__: make calls on a Nexus 7? === _salem is now known as salem_ [01:38] Anyone interested in developing ubuntu touch for i9505 ? [01:40] mhall119: yep, i was that guest__ finding out if i can make calls on a nexus 7 with ubuntu touch [01:41] dragonkeeper: i9505 seems to be a samsung device? [01:41] Yes samsung galaxy s4 i9505 jfltexx [01:46] k03ll: the nexus 7 is a tablet, not a phone.... [01:46] I suppose you could use VoIP [01:46] We have twrp , cwm recoverys and cm10.1 already . So as i understand it ubuntu-touch shouldnt be so hard to port over if someone has experience doing it [01:47] mhall119: 7" isnt big enough, and voip is more than an all time alternative. [01:47] dragonkeeper: if I had an S4 and was any good at porting, I'd be all over it :) [01:48] k03ll: I'm make a joke about holding a N7 up to your ear to talk, but I think my brother's Galaxy Note 2 is almost as big [01:49] the nexus 4 is ubuntus flagship, much cheaper than a s4 and very affordable. i like the new image from ubuntu / canonical [01:50] Never dev'd for android roms so im here lol, not really a ubuntu fan but it seems to be the closest thing to getting a decent linux system running [01:50] mhall119: of course, i would use a headset or somthng similiar. im not going to use it as a heavy phone user. just to make some calls and answer incomings [01:51] dragonkeeper: have you read the porting guide? [01:52] k03ll: I suppose all it would need is somebody writing a voip client for Ubuntu Touch [01:52] oh, and audio working on the Nexus 7 [01:52] Just one thing i want to know as your talking about calls, can ubuntu make use of another line. I.e im in a call with 1 person and another person calls me on same number and it appears on screen so i can put 1 on hokd talk to other or merge calls [01:52] dragonkeeper: that I don't know [01:53] and I don't have a phone to test it with [01:53] :[ [01:53] I know, I make that face whenever I see someone doing something cool with their Ubuntu Phone [01:54] So as i understand it, this uses arm packages from ubuntu repo ? Therefore there must be IR drivers for phones ? [01:54] I have this s4 and a motorola atrix 4g i want it on [01:57] dragonkeeper: for the ubuntu side, yes, it uses arm packages from the repos [01:57] but the kernel and drivers that come from Android, I'm not sure about [01:58] So if i got a android kernel with , say ,, nfc support . Then i could use nfc with ubuntu side === fginther|afk is now known as fginther [01:59] well no, you'd need both sides to know what's going on [01:59] you might expose a device in the kernel with the Android support [01:59] but unless there's something on the Ubuntu side that knows what to do with that device.. === SkavenXXI is now known as SkavenXXI-[OFF] === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [02:55] hi [02:57] has anyone tried to install ubuntu touch on an acer iconia a200? [02:57] is it even compatible? [03:00] anyone willing to help with a question? [03:02] anyone willing to help with a question? [03:05] is ubuntu touch compatible with the acer iconia a200? [03:07] hi [03:07] help? [03:07] question? [03:08] is there any assistance in this room? [03:08] rh: I don't know if anyone has tried it yet. Likely won't work. All development for ubuntu-touch is being done on Nexus/Galaxy devices [03:09] that's unfortunate... [03:09] thanks === Aww is now known as [Cupcakes] === [Cupcakes] is now known as Aww === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem [04:40] I installed Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 7, and nothing even opens, none of the apps. :\ === BHSPiMon1ey is now known as BHSPitMonkey [06:19] good morning === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [07:37] __ [07:37] anyony there [08:03] is there a way of bringing wifi up from adb? using the ui doesn't work for both the secured and unsecured APs here [08:37] hey [08:37] I would like to flash my phone and test again ubuntu touch [08:37] does it manage sim security now ? or I still need to unlock my sim card before ? [08:42] * leemeng0x61 anybody? [09:09] Ubuntu touch install from recovery on nexus 7 3g | http://askubuntu.com/q/305183 [09:11] that person should just follow the manual install instructions === penk_ is now known as penk === penk_ is now known as penk [09:34] Too glitchy to even be usable :\ === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr === penk_ is now known as penk === Guest61795 is now known as w00t === w00t is now known as Guest5164 === Guest5164 is now known as w00t === hallino1_ is now known as hallino1 [09:59] oSoMoN, mzanetti: hey, I'm doing a packaging review of notes-app before it lands in Ubuntu and I've a small issue [10:00] oSoMoN, mzanetti: [10:00] src/NotesApp/Plugins/cachingprovider.cpp: LGPL (v3) [10:00] src/NotesApp/Plugins/cachingprovider.h: LGPL (v3) [10:00] the project is under GPL for everything else [10:00] is that wanted to use the LGPL for those 2 sources? [10:00] we either need to change them to be GPL or to add a COPYING.LGPL to the source and list them correctly under debian/copyright [10:01] oh, Components/RemovableBG.qml Components/CollapsedNoteDecorations.qml and Components/CollapsedNote.qml as well [10:02] seb128: we’d need confirmation from Ugo who wrote the code, but I’m pretty sure it’s just a copy/paste leftover, this is entirely original code written in-house [10:02] seb128: unfortunately Ugo isn’t working today, he’ll be back on Monday [10:03] oSoMoN, ok, no problem, that can wait monday [10:03] didrocks, ^ [10:05] thanks :) [10:20] oSoMoN, do you want a bug report about that or should I just ping you guys again on monday? [10:20] seb128: please ping Ugo on Monday [10:20] oSoMoN, ok [10:38] oSoMoN, same issue in camera-app with DeviceOrientation.qml ... is that Ugo as well? [10:44] bfiller: are you guys doing webapps too? [10:48] * ogra grumbles about grouper === Guest86601 is now known as zumbi === zumbi is now known as Guest22269 [10:55] where do I file bugs against qml-phone-shell? === Guest22269 is now known as zumbi_ [10:59] i need some help...i tried the steps given on galaxy nexus 7...all the steps were completed successfully...but i din get ubtuntu touch after rebooting [10:59] seb128: according to bzr annotate, yes [10:59] what could be the possible issue/ [10:59] ? [11:00] any help? [11:01] oSoMoN, mediaplayer has the same issue, files are from renato on this one though [11:01] cking, going by the precedent probably here https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1163273 [11:01] Launchpad bug 1163273 in Unity "[qml-phone-shell] wrong app is shown when an app deployed from QtC" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:01] oSoMoN, [11:01] ./tests/unittest/thumbnailtest.cpp: LGPL (v3) [11:01] ./src/qml/sdk/sliderUtils.js: LGPL (v3) [11:01] ./src/qml/sdk/mathUtils.js: LGPL (v3) [11:01] Kakadu, thanks [11:01] oops [11:02] kalikiana, thanks [11:02] i need some help...i tried the steps given for galaxy nexus 7...but i din get ubtuntu touch after rebooting..what could be the issue? [11:02] seb128: I believe renato should be online very soon, feel free to bug him about it [11:02] k [11:02] okay.. [11:07] hey,,i am not sure about this...but this could be a lame question as well....still...after pushing the images into device do i also have to install them through install zip from sdcard option? [11:09] hey,,i am not sure about this...but this could be a lame question as well....still...after pushing the images into device do i also have to install them through install zip from sdcard option? [11:12] hellooo [11:16] Hey there - is there an ETA on tethering and 3G/LTE? === dednick is now known as dednick|lunch === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [11:41] hello, i'm looking for a tablet model with external USB device support that is capable of running Ubuntu. could anyone give me some hint please? === SkavenXXI-[OFF] is now known as SkavenXXI === dednick|lunch is now known as dednick === cking_ is now known as cking [11:59] hello [11:59] can i put ubuntu on jay-book 9905 ? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === OttoMan is now known as OttoManTR === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:11] Hi! I got stuck when trying to install the developer preview on my Nexus 4, using the install instructions from the wiki. I'm running Debian Jessie, and added the 'raring' repo to my sources.list. After enabling USB debugging, the device showed up in 'sudo adb devices'. I went ahead and executed 'sudo phablet-flash -b'. The files were downloaded just fine, and 'raring-preinstalled-{recovery,system,boot}-armel+mako.img' were flashed without warnings [12:26] oSoMoN: FYI http://paste.ubuntu.com/5741741/, you can see what you can work on to get your components better :) [12:27] oSoMoN: basically the apps have license issues as seb mentionned, so I'll keep this stack frozen for now === olli_ is now known as olli [12:27] (to avoid spamming the archive with packages we can't NEW) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:32] My issue was resolved by restarting the adb server with 'adb kill-server', and pushing the stock rom to the device. [12:33] didrocks: would you mind sharing this paste with a wider audience (i.e. send an e-mail) so that all maintainers are aware of what they need to address? [12:34] oSoMoN: as soon as Unity and touch migrates to the release pocket, I'm doing that [12:34] oSoMoN: it's already written TBH :p [12:38] Hi all! Where do i get the file to flash on my phone? :) [12:39] Moviuro_: the topic mentions a wiki overview page, where you find install instructions for supported and community supported devices [12:39] does ubuntu touch already support pin unlocking or should I remove the pin question from my sim? Planning on going dogfooding mode today :) [12:40] Thanks k1l [12:53] jaywink, no PIN support yet ... it is being worked on though [12:54] ogra, thnx === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ [13:06] oh you silly silly grouper [13:07] ogra: it's still giving you hard time? :/ === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:10] tassadar_, yeah, trynig to find the one option that makes it boot [13:12] heh === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [13:39] mterry: @pocketsphinx: yeah, the work was duplicated === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [14:07] sil2100: see my comment about multiverse on julius, if you can discuss about it with tedg :) [14:08] didrocks, ? Julius, we're not using it anymore? [14:08] tedg: aren't you? why are you recommending it then? ;) [14:08] didrocks, bug? [14:08] :-) [14:09] cyphermox, have you seen that this bug is assigned to you? [14:09] https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1183065 [14:09] Launchpad bug 1183065 in touch-preview-images "Occassional severe battery drain" [High,New] [14:09] it's making my phone unusable outside the house [14:09] which, you know, for a mobile phone, is kinda a deal breaker :) [14:09] tedg: we don't do bug I heard? :p [14:09] didrocks, Yeah, I don't think we need that. The sphinx voxforge stuff should be enough. === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [14:10] tedg: ok, let me prep a branch [14:10] Double checking with pete-woods ^ [14:10] tedg: I had to remove temporarly the upstart job for unity-panel-service btw [14:10] didrocks, Hmm, why? [14:10] tedg: I dropped a note to get that back [14:10] tedg: I noticed some troubles when I exited my session [14:10] unity went back through the panel service [14:11] (there was also a segfault, but that was bamf) [14:11] tedg: so no worry, it needs more testing, just needed to release :) [14:11] didrocks, the touch images (all of them, even on cdimage) build with --no-install-recommends [14:11] so i guess it just didnt show up that tthere is a stale recommends [14:12] ogra: interesting :) [14:12] ok [14:12] yeah, fixing that bit will be another horrid transition :) [14:13] didrocks, Hmm, interesting. Did you enable it? It should be basically off until we update gnome-session. [14:13] Which we should do :-) [14:13] tedg: not for unity-panel-service [14:14] didrocks, But it was "start on started unity" so it should only start when the unity upstart job starts. [14:14] Hmm, perhaps even if it blocks it records the start. [14:14] tedg: yeah, I just noticed this behavior, but I'll retest properly [14:15] Anyway, yes. That's fine. Happy things are out :-) [14:15] me as well :) [14:15] We can refine more now. [14:15] thanks! [14:15] right [14:17] tedg: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/hud/remove-julius-caesar/+merge/168078 [14:17] sil2100: FYI ^ [14:19] the romans will hate you ! [14:19] didrocks: ACK [14:19] ogra: :) [14:21] * tedg wonders why LP is taking so long on the diff [14:23] it is roman too ? [14:23] * tedg thought it was Russian, Soyuz, right? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:29] didrocks: tedg is absolutely correct, we no-longer need to package julius, we managed to switch over to using sphinx for voice recognition [14:34] rickspencer3: I have seen it, jason told me yesterday [14:34] cyphermox, do you know what the cause is? any ideas? === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:35] not really. it could be the background scanning, but it seems to me like you should be seeing the same kind of battery drain on a laptop as well if it was the case [14:38] ogra: how is container flip going? whats your risk assessment and predicted landing time as of now? [14:40] asac, mako and maguro should boot out of the box now, i wasted the whole day on grouper trying to find the kernel options that break it (massively time consuming and not done yet) ... [14:40] beyond this, the hybris/appmanager/platform-api issues seem to be harder to resolve than expected [14:40] ogra: nice!! those kernel options, what were those about? [14:40] can you write a shell script that tests that those options are available? [14:41] runtime shell script [14:41] asac, well, the kernel goes into an endless reboot loop atm, init dies [14:41] with no further info ... [14:41] ic [14:41] but i can boot an nexus7 desktop kernel (which then fails on all the other userspace bits since it misses the needed optionns for touch) [14:41] ogra: what options did you find missing so far? [14:42] well, we changed a lot for the desktop kernel ... the diff between the configs is 800 lines (with cruft though ... actually changed lines should be around 200 or so) [14:43] i'm sure its a combo of only a few options, but finding the right one is hard and eats time [14:44] (and the n7 doesnt charge in recovery, so it dies every few hours and i need to re-charge) [14:44] i will have grouper working after the weekend [14:44] for manta i havent seen any tests at alll yet [14:44] on maguro i have the ofono/rild stack working since yesterday ... but it is still a bit racy [14:45] sound/pulse will still need love [14:45] nob ody touched that yet [14:46] will phablet-flash at some point just switch me over to saucy or do I need to do manual things? [14:47] it will just switch you over [14:47] one way or the other [14:49] is this channel logged? [14:49] asac, yes [14:49] cool. found it [14:50] asac, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/06/07/%23ubuntu-touch.txt [14:50] ^ I've created a singularity [14:53] hello [14:53] anybody home? [14:54] most of us ... [14:54] ... except the ones that arent [14:54] rickspencer3: you see this battery bug? bug 1183065 ? [14:54] bug 1183065 in touch-preview-images "Occassional severe battery drain" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1183065 [14:55] rickspencer3: can you attach a syslog after seeing this symptoms to the bug? === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk [14:55] asac, sure [14:55] I'll need to do it in a few hours since my phone is flat out of batteries now ;) [14:56] so whats the status for ubuntu touch for android?? [14:56] what is ubuntu touch for android ? [14:57] ubuntu os on android [14:57] BobbyEsco_, hi, we call that Ubuntu for Android [14:57] or affectionately, U4A [14:57] well, that has no touch in it :) [14:57] ooh ok, thanks for the correction [14:58] (not only in the name ) [14:58] BobbyEsco_, unlike Ubuntu Touch, U4A requires deep partnership with the phone manufacturer [14:58] rickspencer3: you know its funny ... my galaxy nexus is here on wifi on my table now in its 4th or 5th day :) [14:58] BobbyEsco_, and as ogra points out, you'll get a standard Ubuntu desktop running from your phone [14:59] i am close to vouch for not adding any features if i get 3-4 days and can browse and can receive phone calls :) [14:59] I think it's 12.04 LTS running Unity 2d iirc [14:59] asac, you are not roaming around [14:59] this device never lasts longer than a day with android [14:59] with same usage profile [14:59] ogra: probably, but i am comparing same use case with android :) [14:59] well, we dont really run much yet [14:59] well. to be fair it doesnt have a SIM ... just wifi checking a few times a day what the battery is and using the shell a bit [15:00] right. [15:00] start a few apps that also make use of sensors etc [15:00] android runs a ton of that stuff in bg [15:00] hence i said: i vouch to see if we can somehow add nothing that will bring us donw [15:00] :) [15:00] haha [15:00] we surely could ... but i guess that wouldnt really give good usability [15:00] i dont want to see so much dirt that we loose 2 more days :) [15:01] i guess we'll use one at least [15:01] s/use/lose/ === gusch is now known as gusch|away [15:06] asac, cyphermox is there a way I can just tell the phone to never use the configured wireless and just stay on my cellular data? [15:06] and in that way, not have the nm go crazy and drain my battery? [15:07] rickspencer3: that feature exists in a few forms [15:07] rickspencer3: hammer: you can just remove the wifi module (if we dont build it in the kernel) [15:07] that sounds rather drastic [15:07] rickspencer3: I think you can just disable wifi : nmcli nm wifi off [15:07] also ... if we use NM there is this setting you know from indicator to disable/enable wireless [15:07] ah [15:07] yeah... thats the cli :) [15:07] turning off wifi sounds correct [15:07] nice [15:08] hi [15:08] asac, I don't think we have a setting in the indicator to turn wifi off yet [15:08] is ubuntu touch managing sim card security now ? [15:08] I'm still very doubtful it's actually NM doing things wrong... I reflashed the raring image just now on mako to dig into it [15:08] though, it wouldn't be the furst time I as surprised if we did [15:08] Hello. I've just installed the touch image in a nexus7 and wanted to use the terminal to run some example autopilot tests [15:08] rickspencer3: renato has a code branch that does this [15:08] rickspencer3: right. hence my vague statement. didnt know it was encoded in our cli. so thats great answer [15:09] but I don't get any virtual keyboard and if I plug a USB keyboard it doesn't work either. [15:09] but the wifi driver is broken and won't allow you to turn wifi back on [15:09] oh [15:09] cyphermox, can I turn wifi back on from the terminal? [15:09] cyphermox: do you have a feeling why we see bug 1183065 ? [15:09] bug 1183065 in touch-preview-images "Occassional severe battery drain" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1183065 [15:09] is that scanning going wield? [15:09] which is also what steers me to say that the battery drain is also likely driver related [15:09] I think the terminal window isn't getting the focus because the square looks empty instead of full. Any advice to troubleshoot this? [15:10] rickspencer3: no... when the device gets turned off there's some firmware loading issue or something that prevents the device coming back to ready to be used [15:10] ok [15:10] so I won't do that :) [15:10] sorry :( [15:11] cyphermox, it might be good to mention a couple of these things in the bug report so folks know it is being addressed === a3Dman_ is now known as a3Dman [15:16] ttoine, no support for SIM PIN/PUK yet [15:16] cyphermox: i think android always rmmods wifi drivers [15:16] cyphermox: if they disable wifi [15:17] so most likely the normal disable code path is not tested [15:17] we try software disable, right? [15:17] if so ... definitely worth trying unload on disable [15:17] asac, cyphermox, we should look at the Android WifiManager and see how it's done [15:17] i really think they are aggressive [15:17] and rmmod it [15:17] i think it was at some point even in the compatibility spec [15:17] that you ned to have wifi module as a module :) [15:18] I'm not sure the module is removed [15:19] awe_: in android? [15:19] they surely did rmmod the wifi module on older phones (found this on my 3 year old HTC Desire) in Android [15:19] awe_: it's going to be hard to rmmod a module when it's builtin... [15:19] beidl: i really believe it was even the default code path [15:19] asac: ^ [15:20] cyphermox: but its probably our decision to build that in? [15:20] that said, when you nmcli nm enable false ; nmcli nm enable true, the device comes back [15:20] asac: no [15:20] it's always a builtin afaik [15:20] cyphermox: we use the upstream defconfig? [15:20] awe_, thanks. so I have to unlock my sim in android before flashing, true ? [15:20] by default the drivers are builtin [15:20] cyphermox: thats mako? [15:20] rickspencer3: ^ feel free to turn off wifi as I mentioned earlier, if you can live with 3G being off temporarily as you bring wifi back up [15:21] asac: yeah, mako [15:21] so it looks like a missing netlink event or something [15:21] ttoine, correct [15:21] cyphermox, ok, that sounds like a good work around [15:21] I'll try it later today and update the bug report with the work around if it works [15:22] ok [15:22] I'll add the details o nthe bug [15:22] cyphermox, does the bug exist, or are you in the process of creating it? [15:23] well, a bug for power management w.r.t wifi does exist [15:24] yes, but I think that's associated with scanning [15:24] awe_: also, confirming the issue is with the indicator for listing wifi scan results.. [15:24] right [15:24] is there a bug that says "powering off wifi is broke"? [15:24] it's associated by scanning because the driver is brain dead [15:24] I don't know [15:24] renato_: ^ ? [15:24] cyphermox, you have to remember the driver was written specifically for Android, not a generic Linux distro [15:25] awe_: how hard can it be to write a driver that just works? [15:25] and thus there are assumptions about what userspace does that effect how the driver works [15:25] it's not like there are many different ways to speak to those devices... it's either nl80211 or wext [15:25] cyphermox, it's not a question of how hard, it's a question of what platform it was targeted to [15:25] it's not using a different way to deal with this, it's just half-baked [15:25] we also have to figure what to do about the driver-specific wpa_supplicant code too [15:26] it's just incomplete because it's all they ever needed, they only added the bare minimum to make it do stuff === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch [15:26] correct, the drivers were built to certify Android devices [15:27] I know [15:27] that's why we've seen issues with CRDA, et al. [15:27] it's just annoying anyway to run into all these issues that should have been fixed years ago already [15:27] why should they have been fixed? [15:27] they are not issues [15:28] it sounds like, it's just unnecessary functionality for what the driver was written for ;) [15:28] correct === gusch|away is now known as gusch [15:31] awe_, thanks [15:31] ttoine, np [15:40] nik90: btw, I had to move the alarm api meeting to Tuesday, can you still attend? [15:41] rickspencer3: I brought up the issues to jasoncwarner, perhaps someone else can look into the driver while I focus on NM and wpasupplicant? [15:42] I'm trying to finish writing the patch to let NM know about ofono connections and autoconnect 3G when possible [15:42] (at the same time) [15:48] names [15:50] awe_: so [15:50] 15:49 < bhoj> 15:47:20> asac, that was the approach at some point of time for [15:50] sure. The code is still there in [15:50] hardware/libhardware_legacy/wifi/wifi.c [15:50] he also said that its not like that by default anymore though [15:50] so just FYI [15:51] asac, thanks... I kinda figured that out by the presence of "legacy" in the directory name [15:51] using ListItem.ValueSelector how to set the "default" value? [15:52] awe_: ah... wasnt sure you found the code [15:52] so nevermind [15:52] asac, k thanks [16:06] Hey, just wondering if anyone's been working on porting Ubuntu for tablets over to Android-86. [16:07] *Android-x86. [16:09] ogra: can you turn up the upstart log priority? (booting with --debug, or calling 'initctl log-priority debug' early in boot) [16:09] me ? [16:09] So... does anyone know? [16:10] slangasek, you can just update the cmdline with abootimg [16:11] abootimg -u /dev/disk/by-partlabel/boot -c "cmdline=--debug" [16:11] something like that [16:11] ogra: sorry, I was apparently reading some rather stale scrollback here from yesterday wrt file events... I was suggesting you do that in order to debug why the file event wasn't doing anything for you [16:11] ogra: but maybe you've moved on from that :) [16:12] ah, well, i tried to get grouper going today ... since 90% of the team have that platform ... [16:12] so that we get more testing and dev help .... [16:13] but had to stop for getting the charging code into the initrd now [16:14] So... I guess no one knows... [16:14] MASTER260, there is no support for x86 yet ... someone would have to get x86 support into the android tree on phablet.ubuntu.com first [16:15] pathes will be gratefully accepted ;) [16:15] Is anyone working on that? [16:15] no [16:15] at least not that i'm aware [16:16] Oh. === plars is now known as plars-afk [16:42] ogra: correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't our x86 plan to use Mir and Unity 8 on top of the standard Ubuntu kernel and drivers, and not using Android? [16:43] mhall119, not sure that would work on an x86 phone ... [16:43] for tablets it probabbly would [16:43] -b [16:45] but if we have to have x86 android for phones i dont see any issues to also pull in tablet stuff there [16:45] (and get better HW support) [16:45] for Android HW anyway [16:45] right [16:46] it is definitely "wanted" but nobody has time for working on it ... to get it fast someone from the community would have to step in === dandrader|lunch is now known as dandrader [17:02] cyphermox, I'm ready to repro that bug and get the syslog [17:03] do I just repro it, and then grab the syslog, or do I need to enable logging or anything first? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW [17:04] maybe I can just adb pull what is already there? === brion_ is now known as brion === plars-afk is now known as plars === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [17:23] rickspencer3: It would be better if you enabled debugging in NM [17:23] let me get the command line [17:23] ok [17:24] * rickspencer3 cancels upload of current syslog [17:24] sudo python /usr/lib/NetworkManager/debug-helper.py --nm debug --domains=core,wifi [17:24] cyphermox, ack [17:24] may take me a while to get to it [17:24] you'll need python-dbus on the phone for that, it seems to be missing here at least [17:24] sure [17:25] oh [17:25] I'll fix that with my next upload [17:25] that's annoying :) === mesq_ is now known as mesq [17:43] cyphermox, can I enable the debugging via ubuntu_chroot shell? [17:46] rickspencer3: debugging nm and ofono? If it is, look at my comment here https://plus.google.com/100264483712374857174/posts/3o1tjYo9Ghx (sorry just joined so may not be related) [17:46] hi sergiusens [17:47] I'm trying to get a syslog for cyphermox to help track down that power eating bug [17:48] rickspencer3: so what are you enabling debugging for? [17:48] sergiusens, because cyphermox asked me too [17:48] :) [17:48] rickspencer3: it's generally just going into the upstart job and setting the debugging flag [17:48] rickspencer3: in /etc/init/ofono.conf add a -d to the ofono cmd [17:49] rickspencer3: in /etc/init/network-manager.conf add a --log-level=DEBUG [17:49] rickspencer3: your syslog will be happily logging lots there [17:50]