[05:10] morning [05:51] o/ mornings [05:54] Good morning [05:56] o\ morning [06:33] morning all [06:33] ouch Squirm- [06:46] More oom Kilos [06:47] môre mazal [06:47] en barrydk [07:01] according to my thermometer though, it only went down to 1 [07:02] eina [07:11] morning all [07:11] hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:12] happy Friday :) [07:12] hehe [07:12] you dont work weekends seems like [07:13] nope, not usually [07:13] and tomorrow is my birfday, woop woop!! [07:13] oh my goodness [07:13] will you be online here? [07:14] you older than me , mine is only on the 23rd [07:15] i thought you're like .... 110 or something? [07:15] :-p [07:15] rofl [07:15] won't be here, no [07:15] ya 63 coming up. you close enough [07:16] then i wish you a wonderful happy day lad [07:16] going to spend the night at a lodge courtesy of friends who run the place [07:16] dankie oom! :-) [07:17] hmm... you speak the taal too\ [07:19] yeah, i my mom is afrikaans [07:19] cool [07:19] and my wife [07:19] cooler [07:19] they very cheeky though [07:20] this is true [07:21] thats why cantide is going to korea [07:23] i wonder how superfly is getting on [07:24] his server and all are down [07:26] too busy enjoying the great outdoors to care, if facebook pics are any indication [07:27] lol [07:27] good he needs a break [07:46] mornings oom Kilos [07:46] hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:47] lo nuvolari hoe gaan dit seun [07:49] dit gaan goed dankie oom, en self? [07:53] ok dankie net koud [07:53] is jy gesond weer? [07:54] amper oom [07:54] ek sou sê 95$ [07:54] sjoe [07:54] er, % [07:55] ek het gedink daai lug ouens het jou gesteel van ons [08:09] Hi all [08:13] aw [08:36] how are you guys keeping [08:36] hi N8Wulf__ good ty and you [08:37] you been a stranger here hey [08:37] I went to experiment, but found out that life outside ubuntu is VERY DAAAARK [08:37] haha [08:37] what did you try? [08:38] i tried Porteus (a slax spin) looks and works nice, but it's a frugal install onto hdd [08:39] that sux within a week for a day2day user [08:39] then I had a look at ARCH.. [08:39] ai! [08:39] eish! [08:40] yeah ubuntu takes some beating hey [08:40] tried some spin which makes it easier to install etc... Massive headache to install anything. Dependency HELL!!!! [08:40] no package manager? [08:40] or aptitude [08:41] does have one, but still limited packages, and even within, it cant resolve all dependencies. [08:41] ouch [08:42] i've never seen a situation where you try to install eg Skype, it DLs the App, then stops and says some dependencies not met [08:42] then I try to install the dependencies [08:43] which stops with notice that ather dependencies are not met [08:43] vicious circle [08:43] oh gdebi does that sometimes in ubuntu [08:44] i even tried different package managers, but to get that installed also meant other dependencies issues [08:44] lol [08:44] but ubuntu still gives least issues. It's loverly inside tha warm embrace of Uncle Mark [08:45] yeah [08:46] got a fun News bit this week. A friend of mine moved to Cpt about 9 yrs back, just before he did, I installed Dual boot windows and PinguyOS for him... he finally did a re-install this week [08:46] wow [08:46] Linux lasted him a full 9 years, Win crashed Looong time ago, he just didn't bother until now [08:47] i battled to keep windows going for more than a month [08:47] ah i see [08:47] just gonna reboot quick, I'm doing the Install and Update bit [08:47] ok [08:49] btw... I figured out my reason for treason [08:49] lol tell me [08:50] are you installing 13.04 now [08:50] is that reason for treason a game [08:50] (blush) ... I needed a proper KDE4 setup to tickle my need for flash and wow, instead of just looking at kubuntu, I got sidelined after using Bodhi with E17 until last week [08:51] lol [08:51] smile was also on bodhi but came to ubuntu as well [08:51] not a game no, but maybe I should coin the phrase, then maybe someday someone will wanna buy the Rights of me [08:52] lol [08:52] did u try recent bodhi as well? [08:52] not me no, im a buntu fan [08:52] afk quickly [08:53] just tried xubuntu and crunchbang [08:55] now i use ubuntu kubuntu both in 12.04 and maverick on another drive [08:55] 12.04 is very stable [09:22] small irro now [09:23] I did register and identify my Nick on the Nickserver, but now my nick shows here with the extra _ [09:25] Ha! I am no _ anymore [09:25] Maja Faja [09:26] any of you guys have a look at the WPS office suite? [09:27] hmm... [09:29] very quiet here the last month or so N8Wulf [09:30] fly on holiday and the pro moved to new premisies so major work in his lap [09:30] sal ek 'n Skinderstorie begin? [09:30] ok [09:30] van wie? [09:30] Samsung.. [09:31] I seems like they are set to loose a foothold on the Android market [09:31] have you seen the HTC and Sony Xperia phones [09:31] na i just got my pc [09:32] dont worry about fones [09:32] not hanging and crashing like Samsung does [09:32] lol... no Cellphone then? [09:32] im sure the fly dont have probs with his [09:32] ya an old nokia 2730 [09:33] used for checking and getting data for the 3g modem [09:33] old school telnet fan then... ;-) [09:33] i seen bb's and touch screen things but too much for me [09:34] for me they arent worth the cost, saving for a fast pc rather [09:36] k... tell quick [09:36] are you using a proxy cache? [09:36] what? [09:36] lol [09:36] I installed polipo [09:36] i dont use proxy for anything i think [09:38] should give it a try, installs easy and it builds a cache of your surfing [09:39] makes a difference on browsing speed as well as data usage [09:39] lol i dont surf much. because of the data use [09:39] is it in the repos [09:40] jip [09:40] ok lemme look [09:40] just do apt-get install polipo [09:41] then set your system proxy settings to use 127.0.0.1 and port 8123 as default proxy [09:42] what does that do? [09:44] it will save website content like Pics etc on your hdd, next time you open the same website your Browser will first check to see if a copy exists on your HDD before downloading from the web [09:44] makes your browsing lots faster if you tend to make use of the same websites [09:45] and also saves a lot of data from reDownloading everytime [09:45] oh [09:45] data saving is good [09:47] for sure.. and I hate having to wait for a site to reopen after i opened it this morning [09:47] this makes it instant [09:47] sounds good [09:47] them settings i find in settings? [09:48] or must i start polipo to do it [09:52] got it i think [09:52] N8Wulf, that isnt gonna affect any thing else is it [09:52] like xchat mail and pidgin [09:53] so its safe to tick apply system wide [09:56] ? [09:56] jip [09:56] cool [09:56] it only effects cashing of web content for browsers [09:56] ah lekker ty [09:56] do you use more than one PC? [09:57] at the moment i have win7 going on the other one [09:57] if so you can set the others to use that one PC's cache, making them faster as well and not reCaching again [09:57] connected by direct eth cable [09:58] are you on kubuntu now? [09:58] jip [09:58] 13.04 [09:58] is pretty I say [09:58] support is only 9 months now [09:59] been some changes [10:01] I saw... is fine though. Only thing i did see in the Dark that I liked was the idea of a Rolling Update system, whish it was possible somewhere on one of the *buntu spins [10:01] i think 12.04 is the last 5 years lts support version [10:01] after installing polipo, check if it's running by opening in your web browser the address... 127.0.0.1:8123 [10:02] polipo is about 200kb in size fyi [10:02] oh ya i see the manual there [10:03] just gonna run outside quickly... brb [10:03] k === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [10:24] hi Trixar_za [10:24] Hey Kilos === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [10:55] Mr Kilos [10:56] yo [10:56] did you come right with that polipo? [10:56] easy setup hey [10:56] yes ty it seems to be working [10:56] yeah [10:57] only thing I couldn't figure out yet is how to keep the cache static when I reboot my PC. Meaning, if you reboot that PC, the saved Cache is gone, ti starts all over again. kinda sucks for use on a Laptop [10:57] *it [10:58] does it save to a tmp file [10:58] cant you make it save in a permanent file [10:59] maybe some auto copy of temp on shutdown [10:59] or pipe it somewhere [11:01] lol have you read the whole manual. its massive === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [11:04] no, not enough pictures [11:04] lol [11:05] i fall asleep if there's no pictures [11:05] hehe [11:06] I be too lazy to read manuals [11:06] Always struggle tot Piet kom before I read it [11:06] hahaha [11:09] good afternoon [11:09] Maaz: coffee on [11:09] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [11:09] hi charl [11:09] hi Kilos [11:09] Maaz, coffee please [11:09] Kilos: Righto [11:09] how's it going === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [11:09] ok ty, some better today [11:10] glad to hear! [11:10] i was in utrecht yesterday [11:10] ty [11:10] ah whats there? [11:10] i been in our utrecht [11:10] northern natal [11:11] big city with lots of stuff, shops, "grachten", etc [11:11] amazing churches [11:11] architecture etc [11:11] ah [11:11] no idea never been to utrecht in natal [11:11] tiny place [11:11] no that's very different, utrecht nl is huge [11:11] http://imgur.com/a/blrtS/all [11:12] all the photos i took yesterday, just uploaded them [11:12] there are also some photos of this : http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winkel_van_Sinkel [11:13] was a lot of fun [11:13] Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! [11:13] Maaz, dankie [11:13] Groot plesier Kilos my vriend [11:13] Maaz: thanks [11:13] charl: Okay :-) [11:18] took a few photos of this too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Martin%27s_Cathedral,_Utrecht [11:19] the dutch article is better though http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom_van_Utrecht [11:20] some nice old buidings hey [11:20] not all glass and steel [11:22] yup [11:23] i can't even begin to think how much work it was to construct though [11:23] it was _massive_ [11:23] thats all they had back then was time [11:23] and amazingly detailed [11:23] yeah [11:23] lol [11:27] ek het maar my eie koffie gaan ingooi [11:27] lol [11:27] Maaz, hoekom kry ons nie ? [11:27] mazal: What? [11:27] Maaz what do you mean what ? [11:27] mazal: I'm afraid I have no idea [11:27] julle slaap [11:27] Maaz, what what ? [11:27] mazal: What? [11:27] Maaz, coffee on [11:27] * Maaz puts the kettle on [11:27] Maaz, you making fun of me ? [11:27] mazal: Sorry... [11:28] yeah, fell asleep with that polipo userguide [11:28] lol [11:28] had to spike my cafe with some Bioplus quickly [11:28] charl, look at polipo [11:28] but eish... Apple Flav Bioplus dont do coffee good [11:29] how do you make it save the cache on rebooting [11:29] ai! [11:31] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [11:31] Maaz, ty [11:31] You are welcome Kilos [11:33] polipo.. it seems like you have to manually go to status and then press the Write out in-memory cache to get it to save before reboot etc [11:34] ah [11:34] hard work that [11:36] I'll keep searching though... is still easier and friendlier on Sys resources than Squid [11:38] ref: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=11881 [11:38] I'm jsut gonna use these DNS servers instead, which tested as ZA's fastest DNS servers: [11:39] 196.14.239.2 ; 196.2.45.101 ; 196.41.0.11 [11:39] in that order Fasest to slowest of the 3 [11:40] i didnt install that pdnsd [11:42] more configuring [11:43] I'm gonna try that as part of the mix... I've tested Polipo for about a week now [11:43] Maaz, tell kbmonkey http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=11881 [11:43] Kilos: Got it, I'll tell kbmonkey on freenode [11:44] maybe thats what is needed [11:44] What is polipo ? [11:45] ive installed it but stopped by the window it pops up [11:45] its in the repos mazal [11:45] data saving tool [11:45] Ah ok [11:45] and internet speed up if you go to same sites often [11:48] Kilos: I usually add the above DNS servers to my Network config instead of using my ISP DHCP provided settings... you will notice a improvement in general browsing speed as well [11:49] i dunno how to do that [11:49] Mazal: It's a website cache, saving you time, saving you moey, putting you on the Net faster [11:49] 8ta does what it like here [11:50] all ISPs do, but you can change on your PC network settings that just the IP must be DHCP, DNS you hardcode then [11:54] in network manager? [11:54] i dont see where to change that [11:55] im bang to fiddle in case i lose connection completely [12:29] Kilos [12:29] sorry, I got side tracked [12:29] np [12:30] your network settings on your PC... where you set your IP settings [12:30] ya same as yours in network manager [12:30] on kde its that icon bottom right i think [12:31] network manager or wicd [12:31] thats correct yes on mine [12:31] have you got your DNS changed to the above server IPs? [12:32] all that ip stuff you do on eth [12:32] mobile dont give them options i think [12:34] afternoon all [12:34] hi magespawn [12:34] Kilos: polipo... looks interesting [12:34] this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polipo [12:34] i think i have heard of it before but never used it [12:35] ya if it can speed up open links and save data thats kiff [12:35] what were you planning on using it for exactly? [12:35] hi magespawn [12:36] i'm not a huge fan of proxy servers myself... [12:36] no specific use, I mentioned it to Kilos by the way [12:36] it's for localhost caching [12:36] saving data by not downloading everything from a site the second or more times [12:36] i see, but your browser also uses a cache right? [12:36] save a bit on data and speed up browsing generally [12:36] if it's only for your own use [12:37] hmmm, because of stale caches [12:37] *be cafeful [12:37] browser cache is only relevant if you press the Back button mostly [12:37] polipo is a system wide cache [12:37] 10 years ago i could understand it but these days i don't see the point honestly [12:38] so if you browse for FF, then Chrome, then opera, all will benefit from the global cache [12:38] mobile data [12:38] yeah but most users don't just switch between browsers that much [12:38] usually you use certain browsers consistently for certain purposes [12:38] expensive... and I hate waiting for a website to open after i just opened it this morning [12:39] if you are on mobile and you have a very strict monthly data limit i can understand it but most people are not on the road the whole time [12:39] and you often use wifi at cafe's or on the train [12:39] lol [12:39] ... true... there is a definite gain in Load time of websites though [12:40] gain meaning faster [12:40] if it was no good it wouldnt be in ubuntu repos [12:40] not all of us are on LTE sadly... and Telkom still limits speed to "Up to 4Mb" etc [12:40] Kilos: i'm not talking as much about the implementation... more about the principle [12:40] (thumbs up) at Kilos [12:41] i would rather invest time into finding a good browser plugin or tweaking the browser cache settings [12:41] charl, you forget about us mobile peeps here in the homeland [12:41] is it lighter than squid? [12:41] Kilos: ??? [12:41] yeah... jsut a general..."have you seen this? maybe you could use it" suggestion [12:41] much liter [12:41] and no config needed [12:42] us okes on 3g here in za [12:42] download is about 200kb [12:42] hhhmm might try it at the school then [12:42] we have 3g in europe too, it's also very expensive and traffic is limited to a couple of hundred megabytes of a few gigabytes per month [12:43] a couple of large companies like vodafone and t-mobile have monopoly [12:43] how many of those you know there use 3g charl [12:43] charl: i pay about R159 rand for 500mb on prepaid [12:43] smile says it is too expensive so he stays ofline when away from home [12:44] oh and psy as well [12:44] Kilos: a lot of people have smartphones so i would say a good deal, but those are mostly contract users [12:44] prepaid in NL (not sure of other EU countries) is super expensive [12:44] you guys must seriously look into Cell C... even prepaid is best [12:45] magespawn, thats heavy [12:45] i get 2+1 for that [12:45] I buy R300 airtime, get 900minutes CellC to CellC, 300 minutes to other networks, and I get 900Mb [12:45] Kilos: i agree with smile though, i am the same, if i can't get wifi i don't bother [12:45] http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/79725-r329month-for-40mbps-icasa.html [12:45] N8Wulf, dont you get 8ta there [12:46] telkom bobile [12:47] 8ta is here as well... what can you tell me? [12:47] R149 gets you 2g normal time and 1g after 11pm till 5am [12:48] so 3 gigs data for R149 [12:48] magespawn: that's about 25 euro per month for 40mbit, that's not bad even for european terms [12:48] Kilos: prepaid? [12:49] that is *if* it is consistent quality bandwidth with low ping [12:49] that is not here yet charl, that is what icasa says we should be paying [12:50] whats prepaid [12:50] makes sense [12:50] pay as you go kinda [12:50] would be in line with international norms so it sounds right [12:50] although, 40mbps is still slow for a landline connection [12:50] ok for a beginner package [12:53] Ja we are paying over R400 for only 4mbs right now [12:53] Without data [12:53] Then the data must still be added [12:53] eeek [12:53] And without line rental , that must still be added too [12:53] ouch [12:54] Kilos: what you mean eeek? [12:54] but thats for the whole place [12:54] That's for landlines in SA [12:54] N8Wulf, i spend R149 every 2 months [12:54] where you from Kilos? [12:54] im in pta [12:55] yeah that's ridiculous [12:55] but i get a sense that prepaid is much better in .za than in .eu [12:55] problem is with contract you have to typically sign yourself in for 2 years [12:55] i have "commitment problems" lol\ [12:55] charl: same here [12:56] contract comment [12:56] N8Wulf, the 2+1 isnt contract [12:56] Bye all , enjoy the weekend [12:56] lekker for 3g modem use [12:56] cheers mazal [12:56] ciao magespawn [12:56] sorry i meant mazal [12:57] tab problem again [12:57]