[05:10] <kbmonkey> morning
[05:51] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[05:54] <barrydk> Good morning 
[05:56] <kbmonkey> o\ morning
[06:33] <Kilos> morning all
[06:33] <Kilos> ouch Squirm- 
[06:46] <mazal> More oom Kilos 
[06:47] <Kilos> môre mazal 
[06:47] <Kilos> en barrydk 
[07:01] <Squirm-> according to my thermometer though, it only went down to 1
[07:02] <Kilos> eina
[07:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[07:11] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> happy Friday :)
[07:12] <Kilos> hehe
[07:12] <Kilos> you dont work weekends seems like
[07:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope, not usually
[07:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> and tomorrow is my birfday, woop woop!!
[07:13] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[07:13] <Kilos> will you be online here?
[07:14] <Kilos> you older than me , mine is only on the 23rd
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> i thought you're like .... 110 or something?
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[07:15] <Kilos> rofl
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> won't be here, no
[07:15] <Kilos> ya 63 coming up. you close enough
[07:16] <Kilos> then i wish you a wonderful happy day lad
[07:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> going to spend the night at a lodge courtesy of friends who run the place
[07:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> dankie oom! :-)
[07:17] <Kilos> hmm... you speak the taal too\
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, i my mom is afrikaans
[07:19] <Kilos> cool
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> and my wife
[07:19] <Kilos> cooler
[07:19] <Kilos> they very cheeky though
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> this is true
[07:21] <Kilos> thats why cantide is going to korea
[07:23] <Kilos> i wonder how superfly is getting on
[07:24] <Kilos> his server and all are down
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> too busy enjoying the great outdoors to care, if facebook pics are any indication
[07:27] <Kilos> lol
[07:27] <Kilos> good he needs a break
[07:46] <nuvolari> mornings oom Kilos 
[07:46] <nuvolari> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:47] <Kilos> lo nuvolari hoe gaan dit seun
[07:49] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie oom, en self?
[07:53] <Kilos> ok dankie net koud
[07:53] <Kilos> is jy gesond weer?
[07:54] <nuvolari> amper oom
[07:54] <nuvolari> ek sou sê 95$
[07:54] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:54] <nuvolari> er, %
[07:55] <Kilos> ek het gedink daai lug ouens het jou gesteel van ons
[08:09] <n8wulf> Hi all
[08:13] <Kilos> aw
[08:36] <N8Wulf__> how are you guys keeping
[08:36] <Kilos> hi N8Wulf__ good ty and you
[08:37] <Kilos> you been a stranger here hey
[08:37] <N8Wulf__> I went to experiment, but found out that life outside ubuntu is VERY DAAAARK
[08:37] <Kilos> haha
[08:37] <Kilos> what did you try?
[08:38] <N8Wulf__> i tried Porteus (a slax spin) looks and works nice, but it's a frugal install onto hdd
[08:39] <N8Wulf__> that sux within a week for a day2day user
[08:39] <N8Wulf__> then I had a look at ARCH..
[08:39] <Kilos> ai!
[08:39] <N8Wulf__> eish!
[08:40] <Kilos> yeah ubuntu takes some beating hey
[08:40] <N8Wulf__> tried some spin which makes it easier to install etc... Massive headache to install anything. Dependency HELL!!!!
[08:40] <Kilos> no package manager?
[08:40] <Kilos> or aptitude
[08:41] <N8Wulf__> does have one, but still limited packages, and even within, it cant resolve all dependencies.
[08:41] <Kilos> ouch
[08:42] <N8Wulf__> i've never seen a situation where you try to install eg Skype, it DLs the App, then stops and says some dependencies not met
[08:42] <N8Wulf__> then I try to install the dependencies
[08:43] <N8Wulf__> which stops with notice that ather dependencies are not met
[08:43] <N8Wulf__> vicious circle
[08:43] <Kilos> oh gdebi does that sometimes in ubuntu
[08:44] <N8Wulf__> i even tried different package managers, but to get that installed also meant other dependencies issues
[08:44] <Kilos> lol
[08:44] <N8Wulf__> but ubuntu still gives least issues. It's loverly inside tha warm embrace of Uncle Mark
[08:45] <Kilos> yeah
[08:46] <N8Wulf__> got a fun News bit this week. A friend of mine moved to Cpt about 9 yrs back, just before he did, I installed Dual boot windows and PinguyOS for him... he finally did a re-install this week
[08:46] <Kilos> wow
[08:46] <N8Wulf__> Linux lasted him a full 9 years, Win crashed Looong time ago, he just didn't bother until now
[08:47] <Kilos> i battled to keep windows going for more than a month
[08:47] <Kilos> ah i see
[08:47] <N8Wulf__> just gonna reboot quick, I'm doing the Install and Update bit
[08:47] <Kilos> ok
[08:49] <N8Wulf__> btw... I figured out my reason for treason
[08:49] <Kilos> lol tell me
[08:50] <Kilos> are you installing 13.04 now
[08:50] <Kilos> is that reason for treason a game
[08:50] <N8Wulf__> (blush) ... I needed a proper KDE4 setup to tickle my need for flash and wow, instead of just looking at kubuntu, I got sidelined after using Bodhi with E17 until last week
[08:51] <Kilos> lol
[08:51] <Kilos> smile was also on bodhi but came to ubuntu as well
[08:51] <N8Wulf__> not a game no, but maybe I should coin the phrase, then maybe someday someone will wanna buy the Rights of me
[08:52] <Kilos> lol
[08:52] <N8Wulf__> did u try recent bodhi as well?
[08:52] <Kilos> not me no, im a buntu fan
[08:52] <N8Wulf__> afk quickly
[08:53] <Kilos> just tried xubuntu and crunchbang
[08:55] <Kilos> now i use ubuntu kubuntu both in 12.04 and maverick on another drive
[08:55] <Kilos> 12.04 is very stable
[09:22] <N8Wulf_> small irro now
[09:23] <N8Wulf_> I did register and identify my Nick on the Nickserver, but now my nick shows here with the extra _
[09:25] <N8Wulf> Ha! I am no _ anymore
[09:25] <N8Wulf> Maja Faja
[09:26] <N8Wulf> any of you guys have a look at the WPS office suite?
[09:27] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:29] <Kilos> very quiet here the last month or so N8Wulf 
[09:30] <Kilos> fly on holiday and the pro moved to new premisies so major work in his lap
[09:30] <N8Wulf> sal ek 'n Skinderstorie begin?
[09:30] <Kilos> ok
[09:30] <Kilos> van wie?
[09:30] <N8Wulf> Samsung..
[09:31] <N8Wulf> I seems like they are set to loose a foothold on the Android market
[09:31] <N8Wulf> have you seen the HTC and Sony Xperia phones
[09:31] <Kilos> na i just got my pc
[09:32] <Kilos> dont worry about fones
[09:32] <N8Wulf> not hanging and crashing like Samsung does
[09:32] <N8Wulf> lol... no Cellphone then?
[09:32] <Kilos> im sure the fly dont have probs with his
[09:32] <Kilos> ya an old nokia 2730
[09:33] <Kilos> used for checking and getting data for the 3g modem
[09:33] <N8Wulf> old school telnet fan then... ;-)
[09:33] <Kilos> i seen bb's and touch screen things but too much for me
[09:34] <Kilos> for me they arent worth the cost, saving for a fast pc rather
[09:36] <N8Wulf> k... tell quick
[09:36] <N8Wulf> are you using a proxy cache?
[09:36] <Kilos> what?
[09:36] <Kilos> lol
[09:36] <N8Wulf> I installed polipo
[09:36] <Kilos> i dont use proxy for anything i think
[09:38] <N8Wulf> should give it a try, installs easy and it builds a cache of your surfing
[09:39] <N8Wulf> makes a difference on browsing speed as well as data usage
[09:39] <Kilos> lol i dont surf much. because of the data use
[09:39] <Kilos> is it in the repos
[09:40] <N8Wulf> jip
[09:40] <Kilos> ok lemme look
[09:40] <N8Wulf> just do apt-get install polipo
[09:41] <N8Wulf> then set your system proxy settings to use 127.0.0.1 and port 8123 as default proxy
[09:42] <Kilos> what does that do?
[09:44] <N8Wulf> it will save website content like Pics etc on your hdd, next time you open the same website your Browser will first check to see if a copy exists on your HDD before downloading from the web
[09:44] <N8Wulf> makes your browsing lots faster if you tend to make use of the same websites
[09:45] <N8Wulf> and also saves a lot of data from reDownloading everytime
[09:45] <Kilos> oh
[09:45] <Kilos> data saving is good
[09:47] <N8Wulf> for sure.. and I hate having to wait for a site to reopen after i opened it this morning
[09:47] <N8Wulf> this makes it instant
[09:47] <Kilos> sounds good
[09:47] <Kilos> them settings i find in settings?
[09:48] <Kilos> or must i start polipo to do it
[09:52] <Kilos> got it i think
[09:52] <Kilos> N8Wulf, that isnt gonna affect any thing else is it
[09:52] <Kilos> like xchat mail and pidgin
[09:53] <Kilos> so its safe to tick apply system wide
[09:56] <Kilos> ?
[09:56] <N8Wulf> jip
[09:56] <Kilos> cool
[09:56] <N8Wulf> it only effects cashing of web content for browsers
[09:56] <Kilos> ah lekker ty
[09:56] <N8Wulf> do you use more than one PC?
[09:57] <Kilos> at the moment i have win7 going on the other one
[09:57] <N8Wulf> if so you can set the others to use that one PC's cache, making them faster as well and not reCaching again
[09:57] <Kilos> connected by direct eth cable
[09:58] <Kilos> are you on kubuntu now?
[09:58] <N8Wulf> jip
[09:58] <N8Wulf> 13.04
[09:58] <N8Wulf> is pretty I say
[09:58] <Kilos> support is only 9 months now
[09:59] <Kilos> been some changes
[10:01] <N8Wulf> I saw... is fine though. Only thing i did see in the Dark that I liked was the idea of a Rolling Update system, whish it was possible somewhere on one of the *buntu spins
[10:01] <Kilos> i think 12.04 is the last 5 years lts support version
[10:01] <N8Wulf> after installing polipo, check if it's running by opening in your web browser the address... 127.0.0.1:8123
[10:02] <N8Wulf> polipo is about 200kb in size fyi
[10:02] <Kilos> oh ya i see the manual there
[10:03] <N8Wulf> just gonna run outside quickly... brb
[10:03] <Kilos> k
[10:24] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[10:24] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[10:55] <N8Wulf> Mr Kilos
[10:56] <Kilos> yo
[10:56] <N8Wulf> did you come right with that polipo?
[10:56] <N8Wulf> easy setup hey
[10:56] <Kilos> yes ty it seems to be working
[10:56] <Kilos> yeah
[10:57] <N8Wulf> only thing I couldn't figure out yet is how to keep the cache static when I reboot my PC. Meaning, if you reboot that PC, the saved Cache is gone, ti starts all over again. kinda sucks for use on a Laptop
[10:57] <N8Wulf> *it
[10:58] <Kilos> does it save to a tmp file
[10:58] <Kilos> cant you make it save in a permanent file
[10:59] <Kilos> maybe some auto copy of temp on shutdown
[10:59] <Kilos> or pipe it somewhere
[11:01] <Kilos> lol have you read the whole manual. its massive
[11:04] <N8Wulf> no, not enough pictures
[11:04] <Kilos> lol
[11:05] <N8Wulf> i fall asleep if there's no pictures
[11:05] <Kilos> hehe
[11:06] <mazal> I be too lazy to read manuals
[11:06] <mazal> Always struggle tot Piet kom before I read it
[11:06] <Kilos> hahaha
[11:09] <charl> good afternoon
[11:09] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[11:09]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[11:09] <Kilos> hi charl 
[11:09] <charl> hi Kilos 
[11:09] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[11:09] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[11:09] <charl> how's it going
[11:09] <Kilos> ok ty, some better today
[11:10] <charl> glad to hear!
[11:10] <charl> i was in utrecht yesterday
[11:10] <Kilos> ty
[11:10] <Kilos> ah whats there?
[11:10] <Kilos> i been in our utrecht
[11:10] <Kilos> northern natal
[11:11] <charl> big city with lots of stuff, shops, "grachten", etc
[11:11] <charl> amazing churches
[11:11] <charl> architecture etc
[11:11] <Kilos> ah
[11:11] <charl> no idea never been to utrecht in natal
[11:11] <Kilos> tiny place
[11:11] <charl> no that's very different, utrecht nl is huge
[11:11] <charl> http://imgur.com/a/blrtS/all
[11:12] <charl> all the photos i took yesterday, just uploaded them
[11:12] <charl> there are also some photos of this : http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winkel_van_Sinkel
[11:13] <charl> was a lot of fun
[11:13] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[11:13] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie
[11:13] <Maaz> Groot plesier Kilos my vriend
[11:13] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[11:13] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[11:18] <charl> took a few photos of this too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Martin%27s_Cathedral,_Utrecht
[11:19] <charl> the dutch article is better though http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom_van_Utrecht
[11:20] <Kilos> some nice old buidings hey
[11:20] <Kilos> not all glass and steel
[11:22] <charl> yup
[11:23] <charl> i can't even begin to think how much work it was to construct though
[11:23] <charl> it was _massive_
[11:23] <Kilos> thats all they had back then was time
[11:23] <charl> and amazingly detailed
[11:23] <Kilos> yeah
[11:23] <charl> lol
[11:27] <N8Wulf> ek het maar my eie koffie gaan ingooi
[11:27] <Kilos> lol
[11:27] <mazal> Maaz, hoekom kry ons nie ?
[11:27] <Maaz> mazal: What?
[11:27] <mazal> Maaz what do you mean what ?
[11:27] <Maaz> mazal: I'm afraid I have no idea
[11:27] <Kilos> julle slaap
[11:27] <mazal> Maaz, what what ?
[11:27] <Maaz> mazal: What?
[11:27] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[11:27]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[11:27] <mazal> Maaz, you making fun of me ?
[11:27] <Maaz> mazal: Sorry...
[11:28] <N8Wulf> yeah, fell asleep with that polipo userguide
[11:28] <Kilos> lol
[11:28] <N8Wulf> had to spike my cafe with some Bioplus quickly
[11:28] <Kilos> charl, look at polipo
[11:28] <N8Wulf> but eish... Apple Flav Bioplus dont do coffee good
[11:29] <Kilos> how do you make it save the cache on rebooting
[11:29] <Kilos> ai!
[11:31] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[11:31] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[11:31] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[11:33] <N8Wulf> polipo.. it seems like you have to manually go to status and then press the Write out in-memory cache to get it to save before reboot etc
[11:34] <Kilos> ah
[11:34] <Kilos> hard work that
[11:36] <N8Wulf> I'll keep searching though... is still easier and friendlier on Sys resources than Squid
[11:38] <N8Wulf> ref: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=11881
[11:38] <N8Wulf> I'm jsut gonna use these DNS servers instead, which tested as ZA's fastest DNS servers:
[11:39] <N8Wulf> 196.14.239.2 ; 196.2.45.101 ; 196.41.0.11
[11:39] <N8Wulf> in that order Fasest to slowest of the 3
[11:40] <Kilos> i didnt install that pdnsd
[11:42] <Kilos> more configuring
[11:43] <N8Wulf> I'm gonna try that as part of the mix... I've tested Polipo for about a week now
[11:43] <Kilos> Maaz, tell kbmonkey http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=11881
[11:43] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell kbmonkey on freenode
[11:44] <Kilos> maybe thats what is needed
[11:44] <mazal> What is polipo ?
[11:45] <Kilos> ive installed it but stopped by the window it pops up
[11:45] <Kilos> its in the repos mazal 
[11:45] <Kilos> data saving tool 
[11:45] <mazal> Ah ok
[11:45] <Kilos> and internet speed up if you go to same sites often
[11:48] <N8Wulf> Kilos: I usually add the above DNS servers to my Network config instead of using my ISP DHCP provided settings... you will notice a improvement in general browsing speed as well
[11:49] <Kilos> i dunno how to do that
[11:49] <N8Wulf> Mazal: It's a website cache, saving you time, saving you moey, putting you on the Net faster
[11:49] <Kilos> 8ta does what it like here
[11:50] <N8Wulf> all ISPs do, but you can change on your PC network settings that just the IP must be DHCP, DNS you hardcode then
[11:54] <Kilos> in network manager?
[11:54] <Kilos> i dont see where to change that
[11:55] <Kilos> im bang to fiddle in case i lose connection completely
[12:29] <N8Wulf> Kilos
[12:29] <N8Wulf> sorry, I got side tracked
[12:29] <Kilos> np
[12:30] <N8Wulf> your network settings on your PC... where you set your IP settings
[12:30] <Kilos> ya same as yours in network manager
[12:30] <Kilos> on kde its that icon bottom right i think
[12:31] <N8Wulf> network manager or wicd
[12:31] <N8Wulf> thats correct yes on mine
[12:31] <N8Wulf> have you got your DNS changed to the above server IPs?
[12:32] <Kilos> all that ip stuff you do on eth
[12:32] <Kilos> mobile dont give them options i think
[12:34] <magespawn> afternoon all
[12:34] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[12:34] <charl> Kilos: polipo... looks interesting
[12:34] <charl> this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polipo
[12:34] <charl> i think i have heard of it before but never used it
[12:35] <Kilos> ya if it can speed up open links and save data thats kiff
[12:35] <charl> what were you planning on using it for exactly?
[12:35] <N8Wulf> hi magespawn
[12:36] <charl> i'm not a huge fan of proxy servers myself...
[12:36] <N8Wulf> no specific use, I mentioned it to Kilos by the way
[12:36] <N8Wulf> it's for localhost caching
[12:36] <Kilos> saving data by not downloading everything from a site the second or more times
[12:36] <charl> i see, but your browser also uses a cache right?
[12:36] <N8Wulf> save a bit on data and speed up browsing generally
[12:36] <charl> if it's only for your own use
[12:37] <charl> hmmm, because of stale caches
[12:37] <charl> *be cafeful
[12:37] <N8Wulf> browser cache is only relevant if you press the Back button mostly
[12:37] <N8Wulf> polipo is a system wide cache
[12:37] <charl> 10 years ago i could understand it but these days i don't see the point honestly
[12:38] <N8Wulf> so if you browse for FF, then Chrome, then opera, all will benefit from the global cache
[12:38] <N8Wulf> mobile data
[12:38] <charl> yeah but most users don't just switch between browsers that much
[12:38] <charl> usually you use certain browsers consistently for certain purposes
[12:38] <N8Wulf> expensive... and I hate waiting for a website to open after i just opened it this morning
[12:39] <charl> if you are on mobile and you have a very strict monthly data limit i can understand it but most people are not on the road the whole time
[12:39] <charl> and you often use wifi at cafe's or on the train
[12:39] <Kilos> lol
[12:39] <N8Wulf> ... true... there is a definite gain in Load time of websites though
[12:40] <N8Wulf> gain meaning faster
[12:40] <Kilos> if it was no good it wouldnt be in ubuntu repos
[12:40] <N8Wulf> not all of us are on LTE sadly... and Telkom still limits speed to "Up to 4Mb" etc
[12:40] <charl> Kilos: i'm not talking as much about the implementation... more about the principle
[12:40] <N8Wulf> (thumbs up) at Kilos
[12:41] <charl> i would rather invest time into finding a good browser plugin or tweaking the browser cache settings
[12:41] <Kilos> charl, you forget about us mobile peeps here in the homeland
[12:41] <magespawn> is it lighter than squid?
[12:41] <charl> Kilos: ???
[12:41] <N8Wulf> yeah... jsut a general..."have you seen this? maybe you could use it" suggestion
[12:41] <N8Wulf> much liter
[12:41] <N8Wulf> and no config needed
[12:42] <Kilos> us okes on 3g here in za
[12:42] <N8Wulf> download is about 200kb
[12:42] <magespawn> hhhmm might try it at the school then
[12:42] <charl> we have 3g in europe too, it's also very expensive and traffic is limited to a couple of hundred megabytes of a few gigabytes per month
[12:43] <charl> a couple of large companies like vodafone and t-mobile have monopoly
[12:43] <Kilos> how many of those you know there use 3g charl 
[12:43] <magespawn> charl: i pay about R159 rand for 500mb on prepaid
[12:43] <Kilos> smile says it is too expensive so he stays ofline when away from home
[12:44] <Kilos> oh and psy as well
[12:44] <charl> Kilos: a lot of people have smartphones so i would say a good deal, but those are mostly contract users
[12:44] <charl> prepaid in NL (not sure of other EU countries) is super expensive
[12:44] <N8Wulf> you guys must seriously look into Cell C... even prepaid is best
[12:45] <Kilos> magespawn, thats heavy
[12:45] <Kilos> i get 2+1 for that
[12:45] <N8Wulf> I buy R300 airtime, get 900minutes CellC to CellC, 300 minutes to other networks, and I get 900Mb
[12:45] <charl> Kilos: i agree with smile though, i am the same, if i can't get wifi i don't bother
[12:45] <magespawn> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/79725-r329month-for-40mbps-icasa.html
[12:45] <Kilos> N8Wulf, dont you get 8ta there
[12:46] <Kilos> telkom bobile
[12:47] <N8Wulf> 8ta is here as well... what can you tell me?
[12:47] <Kilos> R149 gets you 2g normal time and 1g after 11pm till 5am
[12:48] <Kilos> so 3 gigs data for R149
[12:48] <charl> magespawn: that's about 25 euro per month for 40mbit, that's not bad even for european terms
[12:48] <N8Wulf> Kilos: prepaid?
[12:49] <charl> that is *if* it is consistent quality bandwidth with low ping
[12:49] <magespawn> that is not here yet charl, that is what icasa says we should be paying
[12:50] <Kilos> whats prepaid
[12:50] <charl> makes sense
[12:50] <Kilos> pay as you go kinda
[12:50] <charl> would be in line with international norms so it sounds right
[12:50] <charl> although, 40mbps is still slow for a landline connection
[12:50] <charl> ok for a beginner package
[12:53] <mazal> Ja we are paying over R400 for only 4mbs right now
[12:53] <mazal> Without data
[12:53] <mazal> Then the data must still be added
[12:53] <Kilos> eeek
[12:53] <mazal> And without line rental , that must still be added too
[12:53] <Kilos> ouch
[12:54] <N8Wulf> Kilos: what you mean eeek?
[12:54] <Kilos> but thats for the whole place
[12:54] <mazal> That's for landlines in SA
[12:54] <Kilos> N8Wulf, i spend R149 every 2 months
[12:54] <N8Wulf> where you from Kilos?
[12:54] <Kilos> im in pta
[12:55] <charl> yeah that's ridiculous
[12:55] <charl> but i get a sense that prepaid is much better in .za than in .eu
[12:55] <charl> problem is with contract you have to typically sign yourself in for 2 years
[12:55] <charl> i have "commitment problems" lol\
[12:55] <N8Wulf> charl: same here
[12:56] <N8Wulf> contract comment
[12:56] <Kilos> N8Wulf, the 2+1 isnt contract
[12:56] <mazal> Bye all , enjoy the weekend
[12:56] <Kilos> lekker for 3g modem use
[12:56] <Kilos> cheers mazal 
[12:56] <charl> ciao magespawn 
[12:56] <charl> sorry i meant mazal
[12:57] <charl> tab problem again
[12:57] <Kilos> hehe
[12:58] <magespawn> no worries
[13:00] <charl> magespawn: regarding your earlier comment, 12 euro per month for 500 mb prepaid is about the same as you would pay with https://simpel.nl/
[13:01] <charl> that isn't so bad for mobile but it's a 2-year commitment :)
[13:01] <charl> again, me and my commitment issues :P
[13:11] <charl> ok i'm off
[13:11] <charl> have a good weekend all!
[13:11] <Kilos> you too
[13:11] <Kilos> grrr
[13:18] <N8Wulf> Kilos: had a chance to look at WPS (Kingsoft) office?
[13:18] <Kilos> you did?
[13:18] <N8Wulf> jip
[13:19] <Kilos> and ?
[13:19] <N8Wulf> nice GUI upgrade from Libre, if one wishes a MS Office 2012 could be OSS for linux
[13:20] <Kilos> lol i dont use any office stuff
[13:20] <Kilos> even removed them from my launcher
[13:20] <N8Wulf> supports docx etc format better than Libre, and looks & works just like MS 2012
[13:20] <Kilos> some files open with it though
[13:20] <N8Wulf> ouch
[13:20] <N8Wulf> ok
[13:21] <Kilos> office stuff is for clever peeps
[13:23] <N8Wulf> lol... or those that still have to either work for their money, or have to type a reply to the lawyers now and then
[13:24] <N8Wulf> guilty and guilty
[13:24] <N8Wulf> http://www.google.co.za/imgres?imgurl=http://mosayanvala.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/screenshot-from-2013-03-04-133815.png&imgrefurl=http://mosayanvala.wordpress.com/tag/linux-2/&h=900&w=1600&sz=746&tbnid=RcDCJoVjXateLM:&tbnh=62&tbnw=111&zoom=1&usg=__-d3_CpYnBTxLa-RcyIWkHk2mjYg=&docid=4k80YjgbYTWOAM&sa=X&ei=Xd6xUeKgArOf7AbrxIHICA&ved=0CFoQ9QEwBw&dur=565
[13:24] <N8Wulf> FYI
[13:24] <Kilos> lol
[13:25] <N8Wulf> well, anyways, so far so good, my Kubuntu install and Customise went without a hitch (predictably)
[13:25] <N8Wulf> I need to go get the PS3 Dance stars going for my kids
[13:25] <Kilos> you can shorten links with maaz hey
[13:26] <N8Wulf> anybody here use Mind Mapping software?
[13:26] <Kilos> ok
[13:26] <N8Wulf> maaz?
[13:26] <Kilos> ya the bot
[13:26] <Kilos> you pm it then type in shorten and the link
[13:27] <Kilos> watch
[13:27] <Kilos> Maaz, shorten http://www.google.co.za/imgres?imgurl=http://mosayanvala.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/screenshot-from-2013-03-04-133815.png&imgrefurl=http://mosayanvala.wordpress.com/tag/linux-2/&h=900&w=1600&sz=746&tbnid=RcDCJoVjXateLM:&tbnh=62&tbnw=111&zoom=1&usg=__-d3_CpYnBTxLa-RcyIWkHk2mjYg=&docid=4k80YjgbYTWOAM&sa=X&ei=Xd6xUeKgArOf7AbrxIHICA&ved=0CFoQ9QEwBw&dur=565
[13:27] <Maaz> Kilos: That reduces to: http://is.gd/nGC1tx
[13:27] <N8Wulf> http://goo.gl/VkoFC
[13:27] <N8Wulf> or right click in Chrome and select Shorten .... lol
[13:27] <Kilos> how did you do it
[13:27] <Kilos> ah
[13:28] <Kilos> that is a massive link
[13:28] <N8Wulf> when last did you see MS office?
[13:28] <Kilos> shortens well though
[13:28] <Kilos> whew years back
[13:29] <Kilos> 2007 i think
[13:29] <N8Wulf> so seeing that screenshot... looks familiar dont you think?
[13:29] <Kilos> yeah
[13:29] <N8Wulf> much cheaper though
[13:30] <Kilos> libre office is free
[13:30] <N8Wulf> bbl
[13:30] <Kilos> k
[13:30] <N8Wulf> that one too
[13:30] <Kilos> ah
[13:34] <N8Wulf> for any intrested parties: It's originally in Chinese, to get it, install it and change it to English:
[13:34] <N8Wulf> 1. First of course we must download WPS office for ubuntu / debian from here (http://community.wps.cn/download/){http://goo.gl/U9mzN } and double click to install it.
[13:34] <N8Wulf> 2. Open the application to make sure it works well on our ubuntu's laptop/pc (just what i did  )
[13:34] <N8Wulf> 3. Close the application
[13:34] <N8Wulf> 4. Open terminal (ctrl + alt + t)
[13:34] <N8Wulf> 5. Type:
[13:34] <N8Wulf> Code:
[13:34] <N8Wulf> cd /opt/kingsoft/wps-office/office6/2052
[13:34] <N8Wulf> 6 Type:
[13:34] <N8Wulf> Code:
[13:34] <N8Wulf> sudo rm qt.qm wps.qm wpp.qm et.qm
[13:34] <N8Wulf> Now, open the application again, and thank's God... the UI changes to english version 
[13:46] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[13:46] <magespawn> everything just had a hissy and went off line here
[13:46] <Kilos> aw
[13:47] <Kilos> our internet really needs some work done to its
[13:47] <Kilos> it
[13:47] <magespawn> something went wrong somewhere for sure
[13:56] <Kilos> i hate the sms function. if they arent stealing your airtime its a sangoma thats thrown the bones and wants to tell you about it a R1 a day
[13:57] <Kilos> i dont even put airtime on my mtn anymore because it disappears over night
[13:57] <Kilos> grrr
[13:58] <Kilos> and that stupid sagem is locked to mtn
[14:05] <magespawn> is this on win Kilos?
[14:06] <Kilos> cellphone
[14:06] <Kilos> old kind
[14:07] <magespawn> oh right sagem cell, from glomail or one of those places
[14:08] <magespawn> there are ways to unlock phone
[14:08] <magespawn> s
[14:08] <Kilos> i dunno, boet gave it to me years ago
[14:08] <Kilos> and i cant find how to unlock it
[14:08] <Kilos> this particular model that is
[14:09] <Kilos> my 404x
[14:25] <magespawn> it is hoem time, later Kilos
[14:25] <magespawn> home even
[14:25] <Kilos> go safe
[14:34] <Kilos> oh my, look how min we are
[14:34] <Kilos> hi georgelappies 
[14:34] <Kilos> and Georgl 
[14:34] <Kilos> who_da_fly, you here?
[14:46] <georgelappies> hi Kilos how are you?
[14:47] <Kilos> good ty and you
[14:51] <Kilos> wb SilverCode 
[16:29] <superfly> Hi Kilos 
[16:31] <Kilos> ohi superfly hows by you?
[16:32] <superfly> Cool
[16:32] <Kilos> weve had bad internets
[16:32] <superfly> As in temperature
[16:32] <Kilos> you enjoying every minute
[16:32] <Kilos> cool is good. its freezing down in capetown i think
[16:33] <superfly> Oh. I don't have anything better than edge at the moment, and that's the best I've had for most of the holiday
[16:33] <Kilos> gonna snow in the mountains there tonight
[16:33] <Kilos> even your server is offline i think
[16:35] <superfly> No, otherwise I wouldn't be able to connect
[16:35] <Kilos> oh ok
[16:35] <Kilos> only mrs fly then
[16:37] <superfly> She hasn't actually logged in in ages
[16:38] <Kilos> ah ok. as long as you enjoying the break alls good
[16:39] <superfly> Yup
[16:40] <superfly> Which mountains? We're in the middle of nowhere at the coast in the Eastern Cape
[16:40] <Kilos> north of capetown
[16:41] <Kilos> looked like there by that cold place
[16:41] <Kilos> sutherland
[16:52] <Kilos> oh , you on your way back?
[16:53] <Kilos> there is a big cold front going over capetown now
[16:53] <Kilos> will watch the weatheragain at 19.25
[17:12] <superfly> Well only be back in Cape Town on Sunday
[17:12] <Kilos> whew going into the cold. natal weather was good to you i hope
[17:14] <superfly> If by cold you mean, "had to wear a t-shirt" yes, it was cold
[17:14] <Kilos> lol
[17:14] <Kilos> i love natal
[17:29] <Kilos> sunday snow alone mountain ranges from left of PE all the way into natal
[17:45] <superfly> We'll be driving plettenberg bay to Muizenberg
[17:55] <Kilos> ok just go safe whichever way. and say hi mrsfly for me
[18:22] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight