[02:12] <OvenWerks> zequence: downloaded ubuntu-gnome. Can't run the live ISO.
[02:12] <OvenWerks> So I am missed :(
[02:26] <OvenWerks> missed again.
[02:26] <OvenWerks> zequence: downloaded ubuntu-gnome. Can't run the live ISO.
[02:26] <OvenWerks> Typing from a VT
[02:27] <OvenWerks> wILL try up stairs on an intel video chip
[02:33] <OvenWerks> Ya, works up here
[02:36] <OvenWerks> Ga!, seems so disorganized
[02:39] <OvenWerks> I guess I still need an app menu :)
[02:40] <OvenWerks> As happens, I just had to turn it on
[02:43] <OvenWerks> The gnome menu seems to be buggy too, but I will have to try over riding it to be sure
[02:50] <OvenWerks> My menu package seems to work in gnome shell too
[02:50] <OvenWerks> fixing bug...
[02:54] <OvenWerks> Hmm, still there...
[02:57] <OvenWerks> I am not sure if that is because I am on the live ISO or if the menu file is not the one I am tweeking. It may be there is another. gnome shell is ok
[02:58] <OvenWerks> so long as the menu can be turned on. I have found the app search works well though, once I know what app I am looking for. 
[02:59] <OvenWerks> I am not used to the way workspaces are accessed either. ut maybe that is just another setting too.
[03:01] <OvenWerks> ust figgered out workspaces.
[03:03] <OvenWerks> Nice
[03:04] <OvenWerks> I could use gnome shell... as well as anthing else. (except unity, though I hear that is getting better)
[03:06] <zequence> seems like I finally got my connection fixed
[03:07] <OvenWerks> KDE works best for my desktop though.
[03:07] <zequence> I had to change the MAC adress on my router to be able to change my IP
[03:07] <OvenWerks> Ah.
[03:07] <zequence> I get so weird IP adresses each time I get a new one too
[03:08] <zequence> they have nothing in common at all
[03:08] <OvenWerks> Anyway, I would guess our little menu would work with gnome classic too.
[03:08] <OvenWerks> I have a static
[03:09] <OvenWerks> scott.cbbs.org, aka www.ovenwerks.net
[03:09] <OvenWerks> It means wecan have our own web mail set up
[03:09] <OvenWerks> No adds
[03:10] <OvenWerks> (ads?)
[03:13] <OvenWerks> Anyway my wife would like her computer back :)
[03:20] <zequence> Unity seems to be using their own set of categories, for application search
[03:20] <zequence> not sure, but it seems that way
[03:20] <zequence> gnome-shell is not a problem for us anyway
[03:20] <zequence> I was not able to load Gnome classic just now
[04:00] <OvenWerks> zequence: The desktop files (at least the ubuntu ones) have tags as well as categories.
[04:21] <OvenWerks> Take a look at the USC one for an example.
[09:51] <cub> Hi zequence , I saw in the logs that you and NickG talked about Wordpress. I've been fiddling with sites based on Wordpress as well if I can be to any help
[10:08] <zequence> cub: How advanced would you say you are at php coding?
[10:09] <cub> Not much. I can make wordpress and phpbb look like I want them too, but I'm not a coder
[10:11] <zequence> Well, let's see if Nick can be of some help first. He seems to be fairly advanced. Also, we always have knome, the Xubuntu lead, the author of the theme
[10:11] <zequence> cub: What do you usually use Ubuntu Studio for?
[10:12] <cub> Yes, I was going to ask Nick about his issues with local set up with Apache. I run a couple of local development sites with nginx without any issues
[10:13] <cub> My main reason was for audio recording. But I use it as my main laptop which means gimp work, web design, video editing, libre office and paying bills
[10:20] <zequence> cub: If you'd like to help, getting a closer look at our applications, and whether they are well configured and built is something none of us really have the time to do
[10:20] <zequence> I posted a mail about that on the mail list
[10:20] <zequence> audio is a big workflow
[10:20] <zequence> I suppose there's plenty of stuff in graphics and video too
[10:21] <cub> The one about "Contributors needed to define our workflows"?
[10:21] <zequence> Yeah
[10:22] <cub> yeah, that's why I asked about the blueprints earlier. I'm trying to figure out what the workflows actually are
[10:23] <cub> I was also thinking about the youtube tutorials. Is there a graphic profile available for ubuntu studio, or should I ask the art work team directly?
[10:25] <zequence> What do you mean by graphic profile?
[10:25] <zequence> We really only have one guy doing art right now
[10:25] <zequence> that's our art lead, madeinkobaia
[10:25] <cub> :)
[10:25] <zequence> I have a hand in everything, all though, not in producing art so much
[10:26] <cub> Graphic profile that states what logos to use, font, sizes, colors and so on.
[10:27] <cub> I suppose we should use a title page before all tutorials as well as an end page for credits and information on where to find more info
[10:27] <cub> and that they all look the same in terms of logo, colors and fonts
[10:27] <zequence> That's something we can do afterwards
[10:28] <cub> Yup
[10:28] <zequence> After a few tutorials have been made
[10:28] <zequence> plus, we can re-edit them
[10:28] <zequence> I think it's just up to anyone who wants to make a tutorial, to set the tone
[10:28] <zequence> on artwork, best to talk with madeinkobaia
[10:28] <cub> I figure we might start out with a tutorial on how to make tutorials. :D
[10:28] <cub> will do
[10:29] <zequence> simple is best
[10:29] <zequence> all we need is a intro page, and as you suggested, a outro page
[10:30] <zequence> and subs
[10:30] <zequence> the best place to start would be to create the actual tutorial first
[10:30] <cub> yes, but some guidelines and perhaps a template would be nice to have
[10:30] <cub> so we don't end up with Comic Sans…..
[10:31] <zequence> sure, but first we need a tutorial to work on
[10:32] <zequence> the person who start working on it, will most likely be the person who decides the style
[10:32] <zequence> with feedback from the community
[10:32] <cub> I'd better hurry up then
[10:33] <zequence> there's a nice word that I picked up from some Debian text, describing the organization
[10:33] <zequence> do-ocracy
[10:33] <cub> heh
[10:34] <zequence> Doesn't mean everyone's free to do whatever they want, but as long as no one is having any problems with something, I think it's up to the person who does the work
[10:35] <zequence> often only one or two people will be even interested in a certain aspect of things
[10:35] <zequence> which makes the chain of decision making pretty simple
[10:35] <cub> sry, gotta focus on some work stuff
[21:26] <cub> Is the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/ discontinued?
[21:26] <OvenWerks> I haven't looked at it, but we have not had a meeting in a long time.
[21:26] <OvenWerks> Like maybe a year and a half or more.
[21:27] <OvenWerks> I'll be back in a while... gotta pick my son up.
[21:29] <cub> last meeting minutes on the page was from 2012 so it seems about right.
[21:41] <zequence> There aren't enough active devs in order for there to be a reason to have meetings
[21:41] <zequence> besides, we know pretty well what we need to do
[21:46] <cub> Aha, I
[21:47] <cub> 'm just looking around reading different areas to get a grip on things
[23:43] <OvenWerks> zequence: the applications menu in gnome shell.. from shell extensions doesn't seem to understand submenus.
[23:44] <OvenWerks> I'm running ubuntu gnome. and have found that the gnome classic login doesn't work either
[23:45] <OvenWerks> That may be as a result of a gnome 3 upgrade where gnome classic doesn't exist any more.
[23:46] <NickG> I'd reinstall gnome classic if possible.
[23:46] <NickG> I tried to install gnome, but it gave me this terrible gnome 3 :(
[23:46] <NickG> is mate a possibility?
[23:49] <OvenWerks> I am not sure what is up with mate or cinnamon
[23:49] <OvenWerks> Mint is the iso to try it with
[23:50] <OvenWerks> I think one is based on forked gnome2 libs and the other gnome3 libs
[23:57] <DarkEra> cinnamon will become a more or less independent DE in the near future afaik