[00:13] <genii> Is 13.10 using systemd ?
[00:13] <jtaylor> no
[00:15] <IdleOne> genii: sorta, but i don't understand or know how
[00:15] <genii> Weird. I didn't install it, but now it's on somehow
[00:15] <jtaylor> only some libraries
[00:15] <jtaylor> init is still upstart
[00:15] <jtaylor> some dbus integration stuff
[00:15] <genii> Ah, OK
[06:37] <murthy> hello everyone
[07:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:07] <penguin42> hmm that's better, the upgrade I'd done last night removed kde-window-manager
[14:21] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[16:34] <penguin42> Hey BK
[16:42] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42
[16:52] <penguin42> BluesKaj: KDE packaging still fighting you a bit?
[17:05] <BluesKaj> penguin42, not anymore , I made the mistake of leaving the proposed repos enabled , but it's fixed now
[17:07] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I lost the window manager last night sometime, made this morning a bit more interesting
[17:09] <BluesKaj> ok , I just lost Kate for a while , but the dependency finally followed up and installing it again worked
[17:09] <BluesKaj> penguin42,^
[17:10] <penguin42> oh yeh I seem to have lost kate as well, but that's not quite as big a problem :-)
[17:20] <BluesKaj> you lost kwin penguin42 ?
[17:22] <penguin42> yeh
[17:24] <BluesKaj> so did the fixes come down later ?
[17:24] <penguin42> nod - I lost it when I did an upgrade last night but didn't notice it at the time, until I booted this morning and didn't get the kwin when I logged in, did an update/upgrade and it was fine
[17:25] <BluesKaj> right , glad to hear it was straightforward
[17:26] <penguin42> nod; I wonder what's different this time that there has been so much flap of the packages
[17:27] <BluesKaj> think they jumped the gun and forgot to include some depends
[17:27] <penguin42> maybe but there seem to be quite a few this time around
[17:31] <BluesKaj> yeah , I had a lot of changes around 4PM EDT , probly around 9 your time , and took several updates/upgrades to finish them all , and that'ew hgen i discovered Kate was no longer installed
[17:32] <BluesKaj> err when
[17:32] <BluesKaj> but the fix didn't arrive till this morning here
[17:33] <BluesKaj> lost my google earth too
[17:34] <penguin42> yeh I suspect it was the same set
[17:34] <penguin42> oh yeh, that's gone - but that disappears all the time - it's really sensitive to changes in i386 pacakges
[17:34] <BluesKaj> that means lsb-core and ia23libs as well
[17:37] <BluesKaj> ia32-libs multiarch has missing dependencies ...I'll just use google maps for now
[17:39] <penguin42> it normally works if you force it in, it's just not caught up with ia32-libs having been replaced with the individual stuff