| c7p | hey all ! | 17:29 |
|---|---|---|
| CarstenG | Hi John. | 17:31 |
| cqfd93 | Hi All! | 17:41 |
| CarstenG | Hi Sylvie! | 17:43 |
| * JimConnett waves at everyone! | 17:44 | |
| CarstenG | Hi Jim! | 17:44 |
| * JimConnett appreciates others who arrive a few minutes early to a meeting! | 17:44 | |
| cqfd93 | :-) | 17:45 |
| CarstenG | Hi Mario! | 17:52 |
| JimConnett | One bad thing about not using IRC as much as I need to is my inability to convert a nick of "LaughingPsychoClown" to Bob Smith. | 17:54 |
| * JimConnett will catch on soon :) | 17:54 | |
| JimConnett | But if I would just look in the FQDN string, I'd see CrustyBarnacle is actually Mario! So, greetings Mario! | 17:55 |
| JimConnett | ...not rocket-science. | 17:55 |
| CrustyBarnacle | Howdy! all | 17:56 |
| CrustyBarnacle | I've been using Crusty for a while for my online interactions :-) | 17:57 |
| CrustyBarnacle | brb | 17:57 |
| jmarsden | Hi. Hopefully phillw and yorvyk will join us here soon too | 17:57 |
| CarstenG | Well, I think we will wait some minutes until everyone has joined. | 17:58 |
| hannie | hi mario, sylvie, carsten, jim, kevin, john | 18:00 |
| CarstenG | Hi Hannie! | 18:01 |
| cqfd93 | hi hannie! | 18:01 |
| phillw | sorry, I was in #ubuntu-meeting! | 18:01 |
| CrustyBarnacle | Hola! Buenos dias :-) Hannie | 18:01 |
| hannie | phillw, you're not too late ;) | 18:01 |
| hannie | buenos dias amigo | 18:01 |
| hannie | que tal? | 18:02 |
| hannie | Let's wait for Kevin, ok? | 18:02 |
| hannie | I have pasted some notes here: http://pastebin.com/Cw5KU51h | 18:03 |
| CrustyBarnacle | working on using Espanol mas | 18:04 |
| jmarsden | Might be good to repost that link after #startmeeting so it gets into the minutes | 18:04 |
| hannie | ok, will do that | 18:04 |
| jmarsden | Donde esta Kevin? | 18:06 |
| hannie | Ah, if only we knew. I give him 4 more minutes.... | 18:07 |
| * JimConnett thinks I need to open Google Translate in another tab...my Spanish is a bit rusty (so far, so good...but later? eh.) | 18:07 | |
| hannie | Having a good conversation in Spanish would be a real challenge | 18:08 |
| CrustyBarnacle | I'm trying to use it more at home so my little boy learns it :-p... it was my first language, just don't use it much anymore. | 18:09 |
| CrustyBarnacle | as for Kevin.. quein sabe | 18:09 |
| hannie | CrustyBarnacle, I will wait until 20:10 | 18:10 |
| jmarsden | El español es una lengua fácil. Pruébelo! | 18:10 |
| hannie | Muy fácil, si | 18:10 |
| JimConnett | (translation) Who knows! | 18:10 |
| CrustyBarnacle | Mira estos. Hablan como que si saben ;-) | 18:10 |
| JimConnett | (translation) Spanish is an easy language. Try it! | 18:10 |
| hannie | Ok, I suggest we begin and see if Kevin joins us later. Do you all agree? | 18:10 |
| CrustyBarnacle | +1 | 18:11 |
| cqfd93 | +1 | 18:11 |
| jmarsden | +1 | 18:11 |
| JimConnett | (translation) Very easy, yes. | 18:11 |
| JimConnett | ...end of translations. Let's get started! | 18:11 |
| CarstenG | +1 | 18:11 |
| hannie | #startmeeting | 18:11 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Sat Jun 8 18:11:44 2013 UTC. The chair is hannie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 18:11 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 18:11 |
| hannie | Do you want me to be chair for the moment? | 18:11 |
| JimConnett | Yes | 18:12 |
| hannie | ok, lets see who is attending, please give a sign | 18:12 |
| phillw | o/ | 18:12 |
| cqfd93 | hi! | 18:12 |
| jmarsden | o/ | 18:12 |
| CarstenG | hi | 18:12 |
| Yorvyk | o/ | 18:12 |
| JimConnett | Greetings from the Pacific Northwest! | 18:12 |
| hannie | Here is the link once more: http://pastebin.com/Cw5KU51h | 18:13 |
| CrustyBarnacle | howdy | 18:13 |
| ibere_SP | o/ | 18:13 |
| hannie | Before we start, are there any newcomers? Could you introduce yourself? | 18:13 |
| phillw | hi, I'm phillw lubuntu QA / Testing Team Lead. | 18:14 |
| jmarsden | I'm noew to ubuntu-manual. A minor developer of Lubuntu. Some past LaTex experience. Interested in the proposed Lubuntu Manual work. | 18:14 |
| ibere_SP | hi there! i'm ibere and i'm starting to help on lubuntu support team as a contributor. i'm active mainly on facebook lubuntu channel. | 18:14 |
| hannie | ah, phillw welcome to the club! | 18:15 |
| CrustyBarnacle | Howdy y'all :-) | 18:15 |
| hannie | welcome ibere_SP another lubuntu enthousiast :) | 18:15 |
| Yorvyk | Hi, I'm the idiot that proposed the Lubuntu version of the manual | 18:15 |
| JimConnett | KEVIN! | 18:15 |
| CrustyBarnacle | (secretly using Lubuntu on his lappy....) | 18:15 |
| c7p | sry for that | 18:16 |
| JimConnett | ...maybe... | 18:16 |
| hannie | Yorvyk, we will talk about that later, ok? | 18:16 |
| Yorvyk | Yep | 18:16 |
| * JimConnett is installing Lubuntu on a VERY old laptop even as we speak. | 18:16 | |
| hannie | Ok, lets start with the first item on the agenda | 18:16 |
| hannie | #topic Evaluating Raring | 18:17 |
| hannie | I want to start with the authors phase. c7p could you tell something about that, please? | 18:17 |
| c7p | sure | 18:18 |
| c7p | author phase proceed with with some problems related to lack of authors | 18:19 |
| hannie | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApS28NMLnYJXdEdGQjRtUWtaOUZxREVzUldSOU5kc2c#gid=0 | 18:19 |
| c7p | i think that was very vivid during editor phase where editors had to fill some gaps | 18:19 |
| hannie | yes, sometimes the line between autoring and editing becomes very thin | 18:20 |
| c7p | after this we gained 2 new authors if my memory preserves me right, something that's very important | 18:20 |
| hannie | c7p, I am sure you did everything to get as many authors aboard as you could | 18:20 |
| godbyk | Hey, guys. Sorry I'm late. I lost track of time. | 18:20 |
| hannie | hey godbyk we just started the meeting. | 18:21 |
| c7p | one thing that was missing was communication between authors, but i think i'm to blame for that | 18:21 |
| cqfd93 | hi kevin! | 18:21 |
| CarstenG | Hi Kevin! | 18:21 |
| * godbyk will read the backlog and get caught up. | 18:21 | |
| hannie | godbyk, here is the link to the agenda items: http://pastebin.com/Cw5KU51h | 18:22 |
| hannie | c7p, communication via the mailing list or private emails? | 18:22 |
| JimConnett | If I could append to c7p's report... | 18:23 |
| c7p | both and live sessions too | 18:23 |
| hannie | So here is a point of improvement that Jim will handle | 18:23 |
| hannie | to all, jim is our new authors coordinator | 18:23 |
| c7p | yea maybe | 18:23 |
| JimConnett | The google docs spreadsheet just posted by hannie has a complete accounting of our current authors for 13.10 | 18:23 |
| CrustyBarnacle | I felt disconnected from the other Authors/Editors... but, my own communication/reaching out could improve too. | 18:24 |
| JimConnett | Every author from 13.04 has been emailed, and every author replied (except for one, I think). | 18:24 |
| hannie | CrustyBarnacle, that is an important piece of information | 18:24 |
| JimConnett | We lost two in the process, so the spreadsheet clearly shows where we are ok, and where we are weak. | 18:24 |
| hannie | JimConnett, will you see to it that communication gets better? | 18:24 |
| jmarsden | Maybe authors could have a monthly IRC meeting, or similar, so they feel more like a community? | 18:25 |
| JimConnett | My goal is to connect the authors to the editors. I think this is an important piece to the puzzle we are missing. | 18:25 |
| hannie | jmarsden, good idea. Will you coordinate that? | 18:25 |
| c7p | i think live sessions would be ideal | 18:25 |
| c7p | +1 jim | 18:25 |
| JimConnett | We also have to recruit. I've already contacted OMG! Ubuntu! for some type of interaction as they have helped us before. No reply yet. | 18:25 |
| hannie | jmarsden, sorry, I meant JimConnett | 18:26 |
| jmarsden | hannie: Well, I expect to me more of an editor than author for Lubuntu related work... but if no one else volunteers, sure. | 18:26 |
| jmarsden | hannie: Ah, good :) | 18:26 |
| JimConnett | I can certainly explore an IRC meeting every month up to the due date | 18:26 |
| JimConnett | But right now, we only have a handful of authors, and I think our efforts should be equally focused between connecting existing authors and acquiring new authors. | 18:27 |
| CrustyBarnacle | any thoughts on using Google+/hangouts for live sessions? | 18:27 |
| godbyk | JimConnett: For recruiting in the past, we've posted a list of 'job' openings on our website and then written a little press release about it that we send out to OMG! and others. | 18:27 |
| godbyk | JimConnett: We can also post it on our Facebook page. We've gotten decent use out of that when we're looking for proofreaders, etc. | 18:28 |
| hannie | #action JimConnett will see to it that authors meet on irc once a month | 18:28 |
| meetingology | ACTION: JimConnett will see to it that authors meet on irc once a month | 18:28 |
| CrustyBarnacle | #idea any thoughts on using Google+/hangouts for live sessions? | 18:28 |
| c7p | i think that we should contact translation teams to for new members | 18:28 |
| c7p | many of us are contributing ubuntu manual, because we learnt the project through translations | 18:29 |
| JimConnett | Aren't the translation teams part of the mailing list already? | 18:29 |
| c7p | what i mean is that translation teams are more close to project than the rest of community | 18:29 |
| hannie | CrustyBarnacle, we could use hangouts too | 18:30 |
| JimConnett | If they are, surely, they would have seen the need and stepped up as appropriate! | 18:30 |
| hannie | c7p, we will talk about translations later | 18:30 |
| godbyk | JimConnett: Sometimes a person just likes to be asked. ;-) | 18:30 |
| c7p | not talking about translations but for new member recruits | 18:31 |
| c7p | but it's next on agenda so leave it for later | 18:31 |
| hannie | right. recruiting. don't we do that already using the mailing list? Everyone who needs help can find us on irc or the mailing list | 18:32 |
| JimConnett | Alright...so, for this part of our agenda....we have a proper accounting of authors for 13.10 | 18:32 |
| JimConnett | The proposed schedule looks good as well. | 18:33 |
| hannie | ok, I suggest we go to the editors phase evaluation: | 18:33 |
| hannie | For Raring every chapter/section had an editor. Like we said before, the work for editors was sometimes more difficult | 18:33 |
| * JimConnett wonders if THIS time the developer teams will hold to their feature freeze commitment. | 18:33 | |
| hannie | I would like to see more cooperation between the author(s) and editor(s) of a chapter/section | 18:34 |
| hannie | How chould we improve that? | 18:35 |
| hannie | *could | 18:35 |
| JimConnett | Again, I think this comes down to communication. Everytime an author commits, we should immediately connect them with the editor. | 18:36 |
| CrustyBarnacle | Have Editor/s per section, instead of throughout the manual? That is, limit to a section? | 18:36 |
| godbyk | CrustyBarnacle: Currently editors are assigned to specific chapters/sections just as the authors are. | 18:36 |
| hannie | CrustyBarnacle, some editors edit more than one chapter/section. That is necessary because we do not have enough editors | 18:36 |
| CrustyBarnacle | OK... | 18:37 |
| c7p | i think that meetings could help and also we could add a week between author and editing phase, where editor and author would have to cooperate | 18:37 |
| hannie | JimConnett, agreed. Better communication between author/editor | 18:37 |
| hannie | Evaluation final phase: was that phase ok? | 18:37 |
| c7p | it may sound silly, but it maybe a way to formalize that editor and author have to be in contact with each other | 18:37 |
| jmarsden | JimConnett: can bzr send email to the relevant editor when a commit is made to a given chapter? Some sort of bzr hook script? | 18:37 |
| JimConnett | I think editors and authors should be cooperating from the beginning | 18:37 |
| CrustyBarnacle | +1 bzr email | 18:38 |
| godbyk | jmarsden: Possibly. I'm not too familiar with bzr hooks, but I'll look into it. | 18:38 |
| hannie | ok, I suggest one of us will put this on the mailing list | 18:38 |
| * godbyk has used svn hooks before, but not bzr or git hooks yet. | 18:38 | |
| c7p | that sounds good | 18:39 |
| JimConnett | Are there any downsides to "reassigning" editors? | 18:39 |
| CrustyBarnacle | Early meeting of editor/author sounds like a good idea to help get started | 18:39 |
| hannie | godbyk, I get messages from LP as soon as a commit is done | 18:39 |
| CarstenG | JimConnett: To get notified about commits, I think every author and editor should be subscribed in the code branch to get an email from LP | 18:39 |
| hannie | #action hannie will send an email to the list about better cooperation author/editor | 18:39 |
| meetingology | ACTION: hannie will send an email to the list about better cooperation author/editor | 18:39 |
| CarstenG | jmarsden: Yes, you have to subscribe you here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/saucy | 18:40 |
| hannie | Are there still any questions about evaluation of raring? | 18:40 |
| godbyk | hannie: So do I. But I get message as soon as anyone pushes to the branch. Can we make it so editors see commits only from their authors? | 18:40 |
| CarstenG | Maybe we can set the manual team here to get emails about commits | 18:41 |
| c7p | i 've spoken for authors, authors that are here can express themselves too | 18:41 |
| CarstenG | At the moment the team gets no emails... | 18:42 |
| godbyk | CarstenG: That might get pretty noisy on the mailing list. | 18:42 |
| c7p | about how they evaluate the previous sereis | 18:42 |
| jmarsden | godbyk: I suspect you can if someone writes an appropriate hook script, but I am no expert on that. | 18:42 |
| CarstenG | Well, you can use filters to sort out such email in a special folder. | 18:42 |
| JimConnett | While I think the authors need to be writing NOW...authoring is a double edged sword | 18:43 |
| CarstenG | I guess every email program can do this. | 18:43 |
| hannie | For the moment I would say: if everyone gets a message when something is pushed he/she can see if it concerns his/her chapter and take action if necessary | 18:43 |
| JimConnett | If you author NOW, then features can (and will) change all the way to feature freeze, requiring re-authoring. | 18:43 |
| jmarsden | If you are going to mae everyone see all commits, I'd suggest doing it as a separate mailing list ubuntu-mainual-commits or similar | 18:43 |
| JimConnett | If you author a few days before the deadline, we're scrambling, and it puts editors in a difficult position. | 18:43 |
| CrustyBarnacle | +1 separate mailing list for commits (I just subscribed to saucy branch on launchpad) | 18:44 |
| godbyk | JimConnett: Yeah, I think that's the crux of it. | 18:44 |
| hannie | I do not mind receiving a private message when things are pushed to LP | 18:44 |
| CarstenG | jmarsden: Well as I told, the usage of filters is very helpful here. | 18:44 |
| CrustyBarnacle | I say we start authoring, and editors are responsible for last-minute changes in feature/ui (making sure they are documented correctly). | 18:45 |
| hannie | Conclusion: we will have to find out if we can personalize the LP messages | 18:45 |
| CarstenG | Hannie: You ar not yet subscribed to the saucy branch... | 18:45 |
| Thomas | Hello everyone! I'm sorry I am late. | 18:45 |
| === Thomas is now known as Guest70970 | ||
| hannie | CarstenG, oh, I will look into it later | 18:45 |
| jmarsden | CarstenG: Agreed but it's traditional to have a separate list for that stuff, and it avoids putting off newcomers to the mailing list who don't understand why they are seeing all these "wierd" messages :) | 18:45 |
| c7p | +1 | 18:45 |
| hannie | If there are no more questions on this subject I want to move to the next item | 18:46 |
| Guest70970 | Hello. I hope I didn't miss everything... | 18:46 |
| hannie | Guest70970, perhaps you can introduce yourself to us? | 18:46 |
| CarstenG | ok, if we can manage it to push these mails to another list... | 18:46 |
| hannie | #action CarstenG will look into this matter ;) | 18:47 |
| meetingology | ACTION: CarstenG will look into this matter ;) | 18:47 |
| Guest70970 | Yes hannie. I am Thomas Corwin. | 18:47 |
| hannie | ah, welcome thomas | 18:47 |
| hannie | #topic 2: How to get more contributors | 18:47 |
| hannie | I personally am not very good at this. Are there any suggestions? | 18:48 |
| hannie | hi TonyP | 18:48 |
| CarstenG | Hi TonyP | 18:48 |
| TonyP | Sorry I'm late as usual | 18:48 |
| cqfd93 | Hi Thomas and TonyP | 18:49 |
| hannie | Have we done enough in the past to get contributors, and what more can we do? | 18:49 |
| godbyk | Good questions. | 18:49 |
| jmarsden | It's interesting that the idea of an Lubuntu version has got you at least 3 or 4 people here today... have you thought of a KDE version, an Xubuntu version, etc? Would thatr get you more folks from those flavours? | 18:49 |
| JimConnett | I'll be connecting with Kevin via email for the contact information, the whats, and the hows, with past avenues to put out a call for new authors/editors. | 18:49 |
| godbyk | In the past, I think we've just posted on Facebook, tried to get a post on OMG!, and tried to get a post on Ubuntu Planet. | 18:49 |
| godbyk | Then hope that people show up looking to help. | 18:49 |
| CrustyBarnacle | LUGs... anyone attend regularly to announce locally? | 18:50 |
| jmarsden | I'm typing this from a LUG :) | 18:50 |
| TonyP | I joined following a message on the Ubuntu-uk loco list | 18:50 |
| hannie | #action JimConnett and godbyk will look into the matter of getting more contributors | 18:51 |
| meetingology | ACTION: JimConnett and godbyk will look into the matter of getting more contributors | 18:51 |
| godbyk | jmarsden: We've thought about that before, but weren't sure we'd get enough people to work on those spin-off manuals. | 18:51 |
| CarstenG | The translations teams would be also a good source of new contributors, or? | 18:51 |
| Guest70970 | Could I add something to the agenda if there is time, hannie? | 18:51 |
| hannie | jmarsden, good suggestion to see if we can get people from other flavors willing to work for the manual | 18:51 |
| hannie | Guest70970, sure, go ahead | 18:51 |
| godbyk | CarstenG: Yeah, we have quite a few translators who have stuck around to help with the English manual (hannie, c7p, cqfd93, etc.). | 18:51 |
| c7p | we 've to look on who will coordinate these spin-off manuals, not sure if we can make it | 18:52 |
| JimConnett | Anyone worried about resource dilution? | 18:52 |
| phillw | sorry huys, feeding time here, I'll read the scroll back later :( | 18:53 |
| godbyk | JimConnett: I am. :) | 18:53 |
| phillw | s/h/g/ | 18:53 |
| godbyk | phillw: No problem. Thanks for coming! | 18:53 |
| hannie | see you, phillw | 18:53 |
| JimConnett | We're already inviting authors/editors to one project...now we have Lubuntu, which is great, but is there really THAT much crossover? | 18:53 |
| JimConnett | Example...screenshots from Ubuntu are unusable. | 18:53 |
| JimConnett | ...unusable in Lubuntu. | 18:53 |
| ThomasC | Sory. I disconnected on accident... | 18:54 |
| ThomasC | sorry) | 18:54 |
| hannie | JimConnett, people from other flavors can help with the ubuntu manual as well: e.g. proofreading | 18:54 |
| jmarsden | Hopefully once people gain the basic skillset they can use it for multiple flavors... only way to know is to try, I think. | 18:55 |
| CrustyBarnacle | I'd be interested in how much of Troubleshooting can crossover the different flavors | 18:55 |
| ThomasC | I will do Wine for the different flavours. | 18:56 |
| JimConnett | And an editor for Ubuntu would need to have an installation of Lubuntu if the editor is going to properly fulfill their commitment. I have about 7 different VMs installed on my machine, so I can handle it, but others> | 18:56 |
| hannie | We need to do some research first to see if there are a great many differences between the flavors | 18:56 |
| JimConnett | There are. Just installed Lubuntu during this session. DVD/CD burning, Office applications (I could go on and on) are different. | 18:56 |
| c7p | let's put the talk on a foundation | 18:57 |
| ibere_SP | hannie, i myself can say i learned a lot of Lubuntu reading Ubuntu manual. | 18:57 |
| hannie | ibere_SP, that is good to hear | 18:57 |
| c7p | same people will handle both manuals ? | 18:58 |
| c7p | or there would be "different" teams | 18:58 |
| jmarsden | That's a later topic, I think :) | 18:58 |
| ThomasC | After we are done with the important topics, i have a question.. | 18:58 |
| hannie | So, about this topic: will JimConnett and godbyk see to this? | 18:59 |
| hannie | The topic was: how do we get more contributors? | 18:59 |
| JimConnett | I'm already taking on a lot. Recruitment is my number one goal. I'd prefer someone else look into this. | 18:59 |
| hannie | If there are no more questions, I want to go to item 3 | 18:59 |
| JimConnett | ...someone else look into the feasibility of crossover between Ubuntu and Lubuntu for authors/editors. | 18:59 |
| godbyk | hannie: I can explain what we've done in the past and help brainstorm ideas for the future, sure. | 19:00 |
| godbyk | JimConnett: I think hannie was talking about getting more contributors there. | 19:00 |
| hannie | Ok, I suggest we continue this via the mailing list (getting more contributors) | 19:00 |
| godbyk | hannie: Sounds good. | 19:00 |
| ThomasC | JimConnett: I can do that in the next couple days, if thats alright. | 19:00 |
| hannie | Anyone who has an idea, please send it to the list | 19:00 |
| godbyk | I'll start a mailing list thread on this topic after the meeting. | 19:01 |
| hannie | #topic 3: Release schedule Saucy | 19:01 |
| hannie | Have you all seen the schedule I proposed? | 19:01 |
| TonyP | Is there a link to it? | 19:02 |
| hannie | #action godbyk starts a mailing list thread on how we can get more contributors | 19:02 |
| meetingology | ACTION: godbyk starts a mailing list thread on how we can get more contributors | 19:02 |
| godbyk | TonyP: http://pastebin.com/Cw5KU51h | 19:02 |
| TonyP | Thanks | 19:02 |
| JimConnett | ....gives us authors ~ 3 months. That's good. Authors? Are ya'll good with that? See any issues> | 19:02 |
| jmarsden | Can't editors edit during the authoring phase, as soon as an author commits something?? | 19:03 |
| ThomasC | 3 months sound like a good amount of time. | 19:03 |
| godbyk | JimConnett: That's true.. but usually most of their work has to happen toward the end of that time as they have to wait for the developers to finish uploading their latest work. | 19:03 |
| jmarsden | The strict separating in time seems unnecessary | 19:03 |
| hannie | JimConnett, if the stretch is too long there is a danger of postponing work to the last minute | 19:03 |
| c7p | the amount of time isn't a real factor to tell, i agree with Kevin | 19:03 |
| godbyk | jmarsden: They could as long as they avoid bzr conflicts and the like. (No one likes merging conflicts.) | 19:04 |
| jmarsden | Sure. Iwas thinking it would help the author/ewditor collaboration if they work together... | 19:04 |
| c7p | i think that there should be given one more week for authors (talking as past author coordinator), in previous series one more week was vital | 19:04 |
| JimConnett | There is no exclusivity in the schedule. We have to have a drop-dead date to keep the project on target. | 19:05 |
| hannie | I think authors and editors can start by rereading raring and see if it needs to be improved | 19:05 |
| godbyk | jmarsden: Absolutely! If authors and editors are working together closely then there shouldn't be an problems with having both of them working at the same time. | 19:05 |
| CrustyBarnacle | agreed | 19:05 |
| godbyk | c7p: So would we reduce the editing phase to just 1 week? Or is there something else that would need to be adjusted in the schedule to compensate? | 19:06 |
| c7p | i cant talk for editors, but i think we can amend the release date, no big deal | 19:06 |
| CrustyBarnacle | can we just list it as Writing Finishes / Editing Begins (both in the same week)>? | 19:07 |
| TonyP | I was thinking that 2 weeks editing was little enough | 19:07 |
| hannie | c7p, so you agree with the schedule? | 19:07 |
| JimConnett | As an editor, a one week is too short. | 19:07 |
| TonyP | I had a lot of problems with both the lasy two relaeases | 19:07 |
| godbyk | c7p: Do you mean release the manual a week after Ubuntu has been released? | 19:07 |
| c7p | yep | 19:08 |
| hannie | The editors phase is 2 weeks now | 19:08 |
| godbyk | hannie: Perhaps you should talk about the changes you made to this schedule. How does it differ from the raring schedule? | 19:08 |
| CrustyBarnacle | I'd like to keep those 2 weeks | 19:08 |
| c7p | that would go so if editors think that they need more time | 19:08 |
| hannie | The schedule does not differ too much from the raring schedule | 19:08 |
| hannie | There is only a slight overlap between the editing phase and the indexing phase due to | 19:09 |
| * JimConnett thinks we've tried SO HARD to coordinate software and manual release...that it would be a step back to propose any other release plan. | 19:09 | |
| hannie | the ubuntu release schedule | 19:09 |
| * JimConnett has to leave in 21 minutes. | 19:09 | |
| hannie | So, does the schedule needs any adjustment? | 19:10 |
| JimConnett | My vote is 'no'. | 19:10 |
| CrustyBarnacle | no | 19:10 |
| ThomasC | no | 19:10 |
| cqfd93 | no | 19:10 |
| hannie | Ok, next: | 19:10 |
| hannie | #topic 4 screenshots | 19:11 |
| hannie | CarstenG, cqfd93 could you say anything about this? | 19:11 |
| cqfd93 | I have a great experience in screenshotting | 19:12 |
| CarstenG | Well, I would do them again :-) | 19:12 |
| cqfd93 | me too | 19:12 |
| hannie | Did you encounter any problems in the raring version? | 19:12 |
| godbyk | Sounds like we have a screenshot team! ;-) | 19:12 |
| jmarsden | How automated is that process, and can it be made to work in Lubuntu too? | 19:12 |
| godbyk | jmarsden: At the moment, the process isn't automated at all. | 19:13 |
| cqfd93 | no problems | 19:13 |
| hannie | Right, CarstenG and cqfd93 will look after the screenshots | 19:13 |
| CarstenG | One bad thing was the Feature Freeze exeption with some icons... | 19:13 |
| godbyk | jmarsden: You have to manually take each screenshot. | 19:13 |
| jmarsden | ah. I thought I saw something about a python tool to automate things...? | 19:13 |
| JimConnett | I REALLY like the fact that we have a dedicated team for screenshots. Keeps our shots uniform. | 19:13 |
| godbyk | jmarsden: We had one once upon a time (Quickshot) but we haven't had any developers for it in eons, so it no longer works. | 19:13 |
| CarstenG | jmarsden: You mean Quickshot? | 19:13 |
| CarstenG | That does not work anymore... | 19:14 |
| jmarsden | CarstenG: Probably :) | 19:14 |
| godbyk | jmarsden: I still think it'd be great if Quickshot could be revived as I think it did simplify things quite a bit. But that's just my opinion. | 19:14 |
| CarstenG | We would need a developer to update it to 13.10. | 19:14 |
| jmarsden | Otherwise Lubuntu could double the workload for the screenshot team... are they willing to tolerate that? | 19:14 |
| godbyk | JimConnett: I agree. | 19:14 |
| JimConnett | So...Carsten and Sylvie, can we officially commit you both to the screenshots for 13.10? | 19:15 |
| CrustyBarnacle | jmardsen: no commitment has been made to Lubuntu yet.. separate topic/project | 19:15 |
| CarstenG | Well, the Lubuntu team should find a own screenshot team :-) | 19:15 |
| ThomasC | I could TRY to make a new version of Quickshot... I can't promise anything. | 19:15 |
| cqfd93 | for ubuntu, yes | 19:15 |
| hannie | As long as there are no devolopers to adjust quickshot we will not use it | 19:15 |
| cqfd93 | for Lubuntu, I don't know | 19:15 |
| godbyk | CarstenG and cqfd93, are there any issues you encountered with screenshots? Anything we can do to make your lives easier there? | 19:15 |
| jmarsden | hannie: How badly broken is it? I could take a quick look, but I'm not volunteering tens of hours for fixing it... | 19:15 |
| hannie | ThomasC, it would be great if you want to give it a try | 19:16 |
| ThomasC | hannie, alright. I will work on it when i can. | 19:16 |
| hannie | jmarsden, it is outdated and needs a lot of rewriting | 19:16 |
| cqfd93 | godbyk, I don't remember of any serious problems | 19:16 |
| CarstenG | Well, I had no big problems, only the grub screen I had to do in a VM... | 19:16 |
| hannie | #action ThomasC will try to revive quickshot | 19:16 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ThomasC will try to revive quickshot | 19:16 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: Great! | 19:17 |
| CarstenG | Great | 19:17 |
| godbyk | CarstenG: Yeah, the GRUB screenshot is always a pain. | 19:17 |
| hannie | No more question about screenshots? | 19:17 |
| hannie | We have a new screenshot team: CarstenG and sylvie | 19:17 |
| cqfd93 | ;-) | 19:17 |
| * JimConnett has documented Carsten and Sylvie as our highly-capable, super-intelligent screenshot team for Ubuntu 13.10. | 19:17 | |
| CarstenG | one point ... | 19:17 |
| hannie | #topic translations | 19:17 |
| * JimConnett ...in the google docs spreadsheet | 19:18 | |
| hannie | ah, CarstenG go ahead | 19:18 |
| CarstenG | If authors want to have new screenshots, they should do a first draft for them self. | 19:18 |
| cqfd93 | +1 | 19:18 |
| CrustyBarnacle | +1 | 19:18 |
| CarstenG | Then we can make them right. | 19:18 |
| godbyk | +1 | 19:18 |
| ThomasC | +1 | 19:18 |
| JimConnett | +1 | 19:18 |
| hannie | CarstenG, I suggest authors can get help using the mailing list if they get stuck | 19:19 |
| CarstenG | Sure. | 19:19 |
| ThomasC | hannie, quick question | 19:19 |
| hannie | Next: translations | 19:19 |
| hannie | ThomasC, go ahead | 19:19 |
| godbyk | One of the ideas I had the other day was to document the responsibilities and processes for each type of contributor (author, editor, translator, etc.) so that these things (e.g., 'you must take a draft screenshot') are more clear. | 19:19 |
| godbyk | I'll try to work on that soon and get it added to the style guide. | 19:20 |
| * JimConnett has to leave in 10 minutes. | 19:20 | |
| ThomasC | What features did Quickshot have, i am not familiar with it, but i am a novice developer. | 19:20 |
| hannie | godbyk, very good idea! | 19:20 |
| godbyk | ThomasC: I'll email you some links and info about Quickshot after the meeting. | 19:20 |
| jmarsden | ThomasC: Suggest running it in a VM on the last version it works on, to see how it used to work? | 19:20 |
| hannie | ThomasC, I suggest we continue about quickshot using the mailing list | 19:21 |
| ThomasC | Thanks. I will after the meeting. | 19:21 |
| CarstenG | ThomasC: Maybe you can install a 10.04 in a VM an test it there? then you get a feeling of it... | 19:21 |
| CrustyBarnacle | Translations? | 19:21 |
| hannie | #action godbyk will document responsibilities and processes for each type of contributor | 19:22 |
| meetingology | ACTION: godbyk will document responsibilities and processes for each type of contributor | 19:22 |
| hannie | Ok, now to item 5: Translations | 19:22 |
| CrustyBarnacle | I have to go... will catch up and send ideas/comments to mailing list... bye All | 19:22 |
| hannie | Are we happy about how translations work at the moment? | 19:23 |
| hannie | CrustyBarnacle, thanks a lot for attending. see you soon | 19:23 |
| CarstenG | See you Mario | 19:23 |
| cqfd93 | For the French translation, yes! :-) | 19:23 |
| hannie | hasta luego | 19:23 |
| cqfd93 | bye! | 19:23 |
| godbyk | (Aside from my tardiness in getting them published? ;-)) | 19:23 |
| * godbyk promises to work on the French and Slovenian translations this weekend! | 19:24 | |
| hannie | Dutch translations, only LTS | 19:24 |
| cqfd93 | great! | 19:24 |
| CarstenG | Well, we have 3 languages on 100 % only some days after release of raring! Thats great. | 19:24 |
| godbyk | CarstenG: Yeah, I think these translators are getting *too good* at their work! :-) | 19:24 |
| hannie | No more questions on translations? | 19:25 |
| godbyk | For 13.04, both the French and Slovenian translations are about ready to be published. | 19:25 |
| CarstenG | So I have the idea to open the translation some time earlier. | 19:25 |
| hannie | How about the Spanish translation? | 19:25 |
| godbyk | CarstenG: ? | 19:25 |
| CarstenG | So we can publish also translations in time with the release. | 19:25 |
| godbyk | hannie: I haven't heard from the Spanish translation team yet. | 19:26 |
| hannie | Next: | 19:26 |
| godbyk | CarstenG: Ah. Well, to do that we have to either fix Launchpad or stop writing/editing early enough for the translators to start their work. | 19:26 |
| hannie | #topic 6: bug handling | 19:26 |
| CarstenG | Well, in the last period of editing we mostly do fix typos, so the translators can handle this, too... | 19:27 |
| hannie | Do we have to assign bug fixing to members of our team? | 19:27 |
| hannie | At this moment some of us look at bug reports occasionally (I think) | 19:28 |
| godbyk | hannie: How does our bug handling look at the moment? | 19:28 |
| cqfd93 | I volunteer to help for bug fixing | 19:28 |
| godbyk | Do we have a lot of bugs that need to be dealt with? | 19:28 |
| hannie | I would like to see more structure in the way we fix bugs. | 19:29 |
| godbyk | I know I haven't been very studious about dealing with them lately. | 19:29 |
| CarstenG | Well, I think who is interested in bug fixing, should join the group https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual-bugs | 19:29 |
| jmarsden | Can you get an automated summary of open bugs emailed to the mailing list, monthly or even weekly? To provide visibility to the team on what needs fixing? | 19:29 |
| hannie | I am in favor of letting authors/editors take care a bugs that affect their chapter | 19:29 |
| hannie | *car of | 19:29 |
| hannie | * care of (oops) | 19:30 |
| JimConnett | Alright...I need to leave. Thanks for all the ideas and everyone's participation today. Look to the mail list in the next week for information about recruitment and author-editor coordination. Great to be a part of this project. | 19:30 |
| CarstenG | If you are subscribed there, you get emails about all bugs... | 19:30 |
| hannie | JimConnett, thank you for being with us. see you | 19:30 |
| godbyk | jmarsden: Good idea. I'll have to look into that, too. | 19:30 |
| hannie | jmarsden, good idea | 19:30 |
| JimConnett | ...also, my new email address is jim@jimconnett.com. Both old and new email addresses work, but I'm going to be moving to the new address for this project. Have a great day. | 19:30 |
| hannie | I suggest we continue discussion on bug fixing using the mailing list | 19:31 |
| CarstenG | see you | 19:31 |
| godbyk | hannie: Sounds good. | 19:31 |
| hannie | #action hannie will start discussion on bug fixing on the mailing list | 19:31 |
| meetingology | ACTION: hannie will start discussion on bug fixing on the mailing list | 19:31 |
| hannie | Last topic: | 19:32 |
| hannie | #topic lubuntu | 19:32 |
| hannie | finally we get at lubuntu ;) | 19:32 |
| godbyk | Did we scare off all the Lubuntu guys yet? ;-) | 19:32 |
| ThomasC | hannie: can i add a topic? it would help me greatly... | 19:32 |
| * jmarsden is still here :) | 19:32 | |
| ThomasC | And i want to help with Lubuntu! :) | 19:32 |
| hannie | godbyk, I think your explanation on the different possibilities was great | 19:32 |
| Yorvyk | o/ | 19:33 |
| hannie | so, we have 3 lubuntu people here | 19:33 |
| godbyk | Thanks for sticking with us, guys. Sorry it took so long to get to this topic. | 19:33 |
| hannie | Yorvyk, what do you think of the suggestions godbyk wrote on the mailing list? | 19:33 |
| hannie | One moment, see if I can open that email.... | 19:34 |
| Yorvyk | Basically he confirmed what I'd thought | 19:35 |
| c7p | sry dc | 19:35 |
| godbyk | https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg04133.html | 19:35 |
| * phillw is back | 19:36 | |
| Yorvyk | Sorry I'm in a pub and I'm going to have to move to another area. BRB | 19:36 |
| godbyk | phillw: Just in time! :) | 19:36 |
| godbyk | So are you interested in going with the PDF-only route? | 19:36 |
| hannie | Could other flavors make manuals under the umbrella of the Ubuntu Manual Project? | 19:37 |
| godbyk | hannie: I don't have any problems with that. | 19:37 |
| phillw | godbyk: does the pdf version retain links? | 19:37 |
| godbyk | phillw: Yes. | 19:37 |
| phillw | that would kill two birds with one stone and reduce our workload for a small team! | 19:38 |
| phillw | excellent :D | 19:38 |
| godbyk | Currently, the Ubuntu Manual project uses LaTeX for our work. | 19:38 |
| godbyk | With LaTeX, we generate PDFs. | 19:38 |
| godbyk | In addition to the free PDFs, we also offer printed editions of the manual that we currently publish through CreateSpace. | 19:38 |
| phillw | is there any move to doodle planned? | 19:39 |
| Yorvyk | I would stick with PDFs, unless there is demand for something else | 19:39 |
| jmarsden | I think there is enough interest in a Ubuntu Manual-derived Lubuntu Manual that we should figure out how to make it happen -- do we do it as a fork of the Ubuntu Manual bzr repository, or as a sudirectory of it, or even with #ifdef like handling of the chunks of the LaTeX that need to differ between the two? | 19:39 |
| godbyk | We do not currently offer other ebook formats though this is something I'd like to try to do in the future. | 19:39 |
| hannie | sticking to pdf makes things easier I think | 19:39 |
| phillw | hannie: +1 | 19:39 |
| godbyk | jmarsden: I would probably just have a lubuntu-manual bzr repository and you can pull across the existing framework and files that you're interested in sharing. | 19:40 |
| godbyk | phillw: doodle? | 19:40 |
| phillw | godbyk: ubuntu-doc are evidently going to be using it. | 19:41 |
| hannie | godbyk, phillw, Yorvyk may I suggest we work out a plan of close cooperation and publish lubuntu under the umbrella of the ubuntu Manual Project? | 19:41 |
| godbyk | phillw: Ah, I haven't heard anything about it. Do you have a link? ubuntu-doc is using Mallard at the moment. | 19:41 |
| godbyk | hannie: I think that sounds like a good idea. | 19:41 |
| phillw | godbyk: I'll dig the links out for you l8er :) | 19:41 |
| Yorvyk | That is what I was hopping for, with out placing too much burdon on you. | 19:41 |
| godbyk | phillw: No problem. Thanks! | 19:42 |
| godbyk | Yorvyk: We have a little bit of downtime between releases, so it's a good time to sort this out. :) | 19:42 |
| jmarsden | godbyk: OK. I can probably set the bzr stuff up if no one else beats me to it :) Maybe we can have a "vendor" subtree with the ubuntu manual sources in that we can sync from the Ubuntu Manual bzr tree from time to time, or something like that. | 19:43 |
| hannie | phillw, Yorvyk does your lubuntu team have a mailing list or irc channel? | 19:43 |
| phillw | Yorvyk: I think it would it would be better for us go the manual route, and drop doodle. That means we just have wiki and lubuntu-manual to concentrate on. | 19:43 |
| jmarsden | hannie: #lubuntu and #lubuntu-offtopic here on Freenode | 19:43 |
| hannie | jmarsden, I should address you too, sorry | 19:43 |
| jmarsden | phillw: +1 | 19:44 |
| jmarsden | hannie: And the lubuntu-users mailing list | 19:44 |
| hannie | ok | 19:44 |
| phillw | there is a lubuntu-wiki-docs team at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-wiki-docs | 19:44 |
| jmarsden | hannie: Would you prefer we use ubuntu-manual mailing list for discussion as Lubuntu Manual ramps up, or use other channels so we don't add "noise" for those doing the Ubuntu Manual?? | 19:45 |
| godbyk | jmarsden: For now, let's use the ubuntu-manual mailing list. | 19:46 |
| jmarsden | Ok with me. phillw, does that work for you? | 19:46 |
| godbyk | jmarsden: If it gets to be too much then we can look into a new mailing list. | 19:46 |
| Yorvyk | OK with me. | 19:46 |
| hannie | jmarsden, yes, that would be very convenient | 19:46 |
| godbyk | The ubuntu-manual mailing list and IRC channel are fairly low-traffic, so I don't think it'll be a problem. | 19:46 |
| phillw | jmarsden: we can use the lubuntu-wiki-docs one for getting the ideas across | 19:46 |
| hannie | sending a copy to our mailing list is fine | 19:47 |
| jmarsden | OK. | 19:47 |
| phillw | but If the ubuntu-manual team are happy with us using their good offices, that's great :) | 19:47 |
| ThomasC | I mean, i know its not my part to do so, but i can make a channel named #lubuntu-manual for now, and someone else can set it up eventually. | 19:47 |
| hannie | So, shall we continue our discussion on cooperation through our mailing list? | 19:48 |
| jmarsden | BTW I downloaded the Ubuntu Manual bzr tree and installed tools and built the PDF last night, just as a starting point... | 19:48 |
| godbyk | ThomasC: I think we're okay using #ubuntu-manual for now. | 19:48 |
| hannie | jmarsden, that is great | 19:48 |
| godbyk | jmarsden: Ah, cool. Did you encounter any problems? | 19:48 |
| phillw | we do similar with lubuntu-quality, where a lot gets cc'd to ubuntu-quality, but we can still discuss pure lubuntu things amongst ourselves and not clutter up peoples' inboxes. | 19:48 |
| Yorvyk | I'd rather stick with ubuntu-manual for now so people don't get isolated in to too many small groups | 19:48 |
| jmarsden | godbyk: The script seems a little odd in places but I worked through it. The info on your web site assumes using a non-packaged version of texlibe, I';d prefer update it to recommend using packages now that they do in fact work. | 19:49 |
| jmarsden | *texlive | 19:49 |
| hannie | Are there still any questions before I close this meeting? | 19:49 |
| ThomasC | hannie: I have a few | 19:49 |
| godbyk | jmarsden: I'd love to heard your feedback. I think we encountered problems with the Ubuntu packages when it came to translations. | 19:49 |
| jmarsden | godbyk: Ok, will post to the ubuntu-manual mailing list which I just subscribed to. | 19:50 |
| hannie | ThomasC, go ahead | 19:50 |
| godbyk | jmarsden: Thanks! | 19:50 |
| jmarsden | godbyk: Apparently someone needs to approve me :) | 19:50 |
| godbyk | jmarsden: I just did | 19:50 |
| jmarsden | Thanks. | 19:51 |
| phillw | godbyk: ditto :) | 19:51 |
| ThomasC | I was going to propose a possible full chapter about Wine on ubuntu. I wanted to add explanations about adding prerequisites, as well as have compatability issues that are common listed there, with some trouleshooting. | 19:51 |
| godbyk | phillw: Approved. :) | 19:52 |
| phillw | thnx | 19:52 |
| hannie | ThomasC, we should not make the wine section too comprehensive (that is just my opinion) but | 19:52 |
| godbyk | ThomasC: Having an entire chapter on Wine might be a bit much. We'd like to keep it a 'getting started' guide so it doesn't get too large. | 19:52 |
| hannie | you must write what is necessary for the users to understand how wine works | 19:53 |
| ThomasC | Alright. Another idea i had (if this one was blew out of the water) was create a tiny "enhanced" manual that would contain Wine on Ubuntu, LuBuntu, and Kubuntu. | 19:53 |
| ThomasC | I can create it an compile it off-bzr locally. | 19:54 |
| godbyk | ThomasC: So a short, self-contained guide for Wine? | 19:54 |
| hannie | ThomasC, of course you can always publish a manual on Wine yourself | 19:54 |
| ThomasC | That is correct. But we could leave the basics in the manual, possibly. | 19:54 |
| jmarsden | "Getting started with Wine in Ubuntu 13.10" - sounds workable to me, but I'd suggest you keep the sources and tools within the Ubuntu Manual project, just create a separate PDF. | 19:55 |
| hannie | Yes, the basics in the manual are fine | 19:55 |
| godbyk | ThomasC: That's a possibility. | 19:55 |
| ThomasC | Ill make an entirely new folder then. | 19:55 |
| ThomasC | and put it up in a revision | 19:55 |
| godbyk | At one point we'd discussed having spin-off guides. For example, an installation guide, a Wine guide, and so forth. | 19:56 |
| hannie | I think it is a completely different story to start publishing separate manuals on special subjects | 19:56 |
| godbyk | But we've never gotten around to actually doing it. | 19:56 |
| godbyk | hannie: I agree. | 19:56 |
| godbyk | I think that each guide would need to have its own authors, editors, etc. | 19:57 |
| hannie | Shall we leave this for later? I think we have discussed enough for the moment | 19:57 |
| ThomasC | I mean, you don't have to publish it with the Ubuntu manual, its just a proposition of an idea. | 19:57 |
| ThomasC | and yes. | 19:58 |
| hannie | If there are no more questions, I will close the meeting | 19:58 |
| ThomasC | I'm done. | 19:58 |
| hannie | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Sat Jun 8 19:57:53 2013 UTC. | 19:58 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-manual/2013/ubuntu-manual.2013-06-08-18.11.moin.txt | 19:58 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-manual/2013/ubuntu-manual.2013-06-08-18.11.html | 19:58 |
| hannie | Ok guys, thank you all for being here. You may continue chatting here as long as you wish | 19:59 |
| godbyk | Thanks for running the meeting, hannie. You did a great job! | 19:59 |
| TonyP | +1 | 19:59 |
| hannie | you're welcome ;) | 19:59 |
| CarstenG | Yeah, thanks to Hannie! | 19:59 |
| Yorvyk | +1 | 19:59 |
| cqfd93 | +1 | 19:59 |
| ThomasC | +1 | 19:59 |
| hannie | Hope to talk to you all on irc or the list about all the great things we are going to do in the near future :) | 19:59 |
| Yorvyk | I hope so too. | 20:00 |
| ThomasC | I have a small question. How do you make a separate PDF in bzr? | 20:00 |
| * godbyk is going to find some lunch and will be back soon. | 20:00 | |
| hannie | ThomasC, I think you have to package it and send it to your personal PPA (which you can create first) | 20:00 |
| jmarsden | ThomasC: A new chunk in the Makefile, I would expect. So make produces the main manual, but a new target say ubuntu-wine-manual produces the Wine mini-manual PDF instead. | 20:01 |
| c7p | gj | 20:01 |
| ThomasC | Wll, i don't want to mess anything up in the Makefile... thats the last thing i want to do. | 20:02 |
| jmarsden | So you can do either make, or make ubuntu-wine-manual, depending on which one you want to generate... | 20:02 |
| ThomasC | well) | 20:02 |
| jmarsden | ThomasC: OK, then create a separate Makefile in your own subdirectory that generates your minimanual | 20:02 |
| jmarsden | But don't forget bzr exists so you can revert mistakes :) | 20:02 |
| ThomasC | I wil try to do that tonight, once i get VirtualBox running with 10.04 for Quickshot | 20:03 |
| c7p | g2g cu all | 20:03 |
| c7p | good night | 20:04 |
| ThomasC | Goodbye c7p | 20:04 |
| cqfd93 | good night! | 20:04 |
| CarstenG | see you John | 20:04 |
| phillw | g'nite c7p | 20:04 |
| ThomasC | And i can't find an .iso for Lucid 10.04 Desktop Edition... | 20:04 |
| jmarsden | Cool. I need to go home and eat, then will try doing another install of the texlive stuff needed for Ubuntu Manual and document what I did for others in Lubuntu. Hopefully I can do it using all packages, I dislike the use of the tarball... | 20:04 |
| jmarsden | Wow, they removed the 10.04 ISOs now they are unsupported... | 20:06 |
| jmarsden | Must be on an archive machine somewhere... | 20:06 |
| jmarsden | I have it on my desktop machine at home, I am pretty sure, worst case :) | 20:06 |
| phillw | ThomasC: lafibre may still have them https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-wiki-docs | 20:06 |
| CarstenG | well it is outdated. So it will not be on the official cd mirrors | 20:07 |
| phillw | soz... c + P fail! | 20:07 |
| phillw | ThomasC: http://ubuntu.lafibre.info/10.04/ | 20:07 |
| CarstenG | But some time ago I saw a server with all the previous versions... | 20:07 |
| CarstenG | ah, great phillw | 20:07 |
| ThomasC | phillw: i was just there. Its not there. | 20:07 |
| phillw | just looked, they only have server :/ | 20:07 |
| jmarsden | ThomasC: Try http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/ | 20:09 |
| jmarsden | ThomasC: Seems to be on the old-releases one to me... | 20:09 |
| jmarsden | http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/ubuntu-10.04.4-desktop-i386.iso | 20:09 |
| jmarsden | http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/ubuntu-10.04.4-desktop-amd64.iso | 20:09 |
| CarstenG | http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ | 20:10 |
| CarstenG | Here we are. | 20:10 |
| ThomasC | CarstenG: I just got there. haha. It is there still. | 20:11 |
| phillw | CarstenG: drat, beeten me to it :P | 20:12 |
| phillw | old ISO's don't die.... they just smell that way :) | 20:12 |
| ThomasC | jmarsden: I am downloading it now. :) Thank you all for your help. I will do my best o revive Quickshot (even though I may not be adding ALL of its original features at first) | 20:12 |
| CarstenG | Thomas, thanks for digging into Quickshot. | 20:12 |
| jmarsden | No problem. I need to close up this room (still at LUG location) and go home and eat... will email to the mailing list more about adventures installing texlive etc, hopefully in a few hours. | 20:13 |
| CarstenG | I would like to see it working. | 20:13 |
| CarstenG | But now it’s time to leave. | 20:13 |
| CarstenG | See you all. | 20:13 |
| CarstenG | Good night. | 20:13 |
| cqfd93 | good night CarstenG! | 20:13 |
| phillw | g'nite CarstenG | 20:13 |
| ThomasC | Goodnight CarstenG! and no problem. | 20:13 |
| phillw | godbyk: sorry, my misreading of the email(s), they were having 'fun' with doodle being able to schedule up a meeting as a follow on from vUDS. The meeting will be held at #ubuntu-doc on Monday 10 June 2013 22:00 UTC | 20:29 |
| godbyk | phillw: Ah, gotcha. Not a problem. Though you did have me worried there for a bit.. :) | 21:27 |
| phillw | godbyk: the -doc team have discussed that many different applications to use, I have completely lost track of them all! | 21:28 |
| godbyk | phillw: I know! | 21:29 |
| phillw | I'm glad that they have finally decided on one and will attend! | 21:29 |
| godbyk | Hopefully we'll get things sorted out during our meeting on Monday. | 21:29 |
| phillw | Yup, I've held back simply because there was no final decision of what to use and why to have different systems that require the repetition of content across different (in compatible) systems. | 21:32 |
| godbyk | AFAIK we're sticking with Mallard for the Ubuntu docs. | 21:34 |
| godbyk | The server guide is using Docbook, I think. | 21:34 |
| godbyk | And the other *buntu flavors are using Docbook or Mallard as they see fit. (I think most are still using Docbook, but I may be wrong there.) | 21:34 |
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