[00:00] chalcedony: Why's that ? What do you call your Wifi Network ? [00:01] redtape|renegade, i prefer not to type bad words on irc [00:14] Scopes look good too | Kinda like an associative thesaurus of results in one pane ::: .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzXvZt0TUCg ::: [01:20] Must have sold 15 pizzas in 15 minutes now the clubs have just closed .. if only they'd all watch on of these ,.... they'd save £15 easy. ::: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3AcK7-L_R4 ::: [01:35] OT | Happy Caturday .. http://bit.ly/14HglsJ === GentileBen is now known as CrispinOnTheCan [07:35] morning [07:37] morning popey [07:37] \o alans [07:38] * AlanBell checks the chickens http://hencam.libertus.co.uk/ [07:40] aww nice [07:40] so you don't have to go out into the sun 8-) [07:41] that works really well [07:43] yeah [07:43] power over ethernet to the henhouse [07:43] only using it for power, the camera is wireless [07:43] AlanBell: did you use the "bad" cable, or did you get new copper cable? [07:44] that is with the aluminum cable, it works fine, nothing feels warm [07:44] AlanBell: and one of those PoE sets? cool! [07:44] I probably could save a couple of watts by going copper at some point [07:44] if I put a spade through the cable I probably will [07:46] might ajust the focus, it seems a bit short sighted === CrispinOnTheCan is now known as GentileBen [09:07] good morning everyone, [09:08] \o brobostigon [09:09] morning MartijnVdS [09:10] * MartijnVdS "make -j 8"s OpenWRT [09:10] let's see how fast this machine can go :) [09:10] :) [09:14] this is so funny, ann widdecombe on saturday kitchen. [09:37] wow, CPU temp is 65°C max. [09:37] (with -j9) [09:37] good or bad ? [09:38] 65 is pretty acceptable [09:38] :) [09:38] Seeker`: I'm using a Cooler Master Seidon cooler [09:38] given it is probably quite heavily loaded [09:38] Seeker`: it's fully loaded [09:39] MartijnVdS: Which CPU? [09:39] Seeker`: building OpenWRT on 4+4 cores (4 + hyperthreading) [09:39] Seeker`: 4770k (originally 3.5GHz running at 4GHz) [09:39] \o/ water cooling [09:40] The Interweb claims: " As a rule of thumb I normally aim (and so do most people) to keep their temperatures below a maximum of 80c, but ideally you would be wanting to find a voltage where the CPU was stable and did not go above 70c under load for 24/7 use." [09:40] so 65 seems pretty good [09:40] MartijnVdS: Nice. I've got a 3930k clocked at 4.2GHz. Usually stays below 70 when fully loaded, using a corsair H100 [09:41] turbostat \o/ [09:42] you should be able to get more out of it than 4GHz [09:43] Seeker`: yeah, I've clocked one (not mine ;)) at 4.5GHz last week at the "overclocking master class" at the place where I bought it [09:43] nice [09:43] but that had a bigger water block on it [09:43] ah [09:43] I really like my H100, only problem with it is that I have to take the side of the case off to change fan speeds [09:44] Seeker`: mine his a 4-lead fan, so it's automatic (PWM on the motherboard) [09:44] 4-wire fan lead, actually === RadiumCat is now known as Catastrophix [09:54] morninks folks [09:55] before I go out, here is today's guessing game... [09:55] http://imagebin.org/260645 - that is a snip from my desktop background [09:56] well it's not 4.10 ;) [09:56] or 5.04 [09:56] ....which release was it from... #7 for double points, what was the image called? [09:56] MartijnVdS: correct so far ;) [09:57] * MartijnVdS has to go afk now, sorry [09:59] rluz [09:59] \nick oberluz === naderp is now known as oberluz [10:16] SuperEngineer: 9.10, misty morning [10:17] Seeker`: you win! ... get the double points bonus as well! [prize is permission to smile] [10:19] [& the virtual cuddly toy koala to with it] [10:32] http://imagebin.org/260647 ...& whilst reminiscing - fond memories of netbook remix [10:44] * SuperEngineer is off out to enjoy some sunshine === G4MBY is now known as PaulW2U [11:23] hrrm. looking for a download queuing application.... basically feed it a load of URLs and it'll grab them in the middle of the night when b/w is "cheap" [11:32] at and wget? [12:06] yeah, i tend to just chuck a load of wgets in a script and run it later === PaulW2U is now known as G4MBY [12:25] wget will take a list of urls from a file with -i; I'd assume it's not too much work from there, some use of --no-clobber so you don't refetch them every night, and cron? [12:35] shauno: will that read a named pipe? :) [12:36] I guess so? but pipes don't tend to like that. I think if there's nothing reading from it, the write will hang until there is ? [12:36] ah yes.. hmm [12:36] so if you cron wget to fire at midnight, echo url>pipe is going to be waiting quite a while [12:36] you'd need something that reads URLs, then writes them to the named pipe wget -i is using when bandwidth becomes cheap :) [12:44] actually, that sounds like a fairly sane start for a useful tool. something that writes the first line of a file to stdout, and then writes the rest of the file back to the original [12:45] give it a non-zero exit status if the file is empty, and it'd live in loops quite happily [13:21] when you create init.d scripts, do you have to run something to tell the system 'i just made these, run them at boot please' ? [13:22] daftykins: yes, update-rc.d [13:22] daftykins: with some options usually [13:22] (check the man page, I haven't done it in ages) [13:22] ah righty-o :) thanks [13:22] aaah what another glorious sunny day [13:22] yes, a bit of a cold wind though [13:23] my townhouse here is sheltered on all sides pretty much [13:23] proper sun trap little courtyard off the kitchen :> [13:24] it's not often I'd rather be here than the continent, but it's pretty stunning here. 25º by the ocean is perfect. shame it's so rare [13:25] we're having a 20°C day today, after a week of 25s [13:25] still a lot of sun though [13:26] it's kinda back-to-front having no clouds in ireland, but reading about flooding in central europe [13:27] haha [13:27] 25 over there!? wow [13:28] this pub landlord last night, typically a quite old-man like pub, he gave a couple of my friends lifts home because their taxis hadn't turned up - hah! [13:30] I'm torn. I want to go for a wander with the camera, but I'm not sure I want to put a shirt on. but the weather's giving us 6 days of rain starting tomorrow, so perhaps I shouldn't spend the day evaporating [13:30] haha one day of good is your little window, ouch [13:30] enjoy it while you can! [13:30] also, Formula 1 (quali) in 20 minutes [13:31] so even more reason to leave the house? ;) [13:31] [13:32] :D [13:32] i tease [13:32] a friend and his gf were at the last F1 actually, as they're both fans [13:33] they had pics up of them sat on the grass at one corner [14:15] Morning.. 'noon' Whatever .. Allo [14:17] ^aDaM, Thought I'd share a message as I like the style of yur nick :) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55128914/Attachments%20Email%20Xchat/This%20Developer%27s%20Life%20-%202_0_4%20Taste/scaled_full_e5d5653cc32b6d4a7fb8.jpg [14:20] Lookind at a post on "End Game" & thnking about my close brush with deathr last night .. [ | Just because | ].. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5745210/ [14:21] Does anyone think these book are a good read ?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_%2528Derrick_Jensen_books%2529 [14:23] Whoopsie .. Looks like the 3rdway of the wiki is not doing so well .. --> Here's the Proper Weblink :::: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_(Derrick_Jensen_books) ::: === GentileBen is now known as BenInTheTub [14:51] http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aVOjpvO_700b.jpg [14:51] impressive ^ [15:15] daftykins: opening .. [15:16] Ya .. thanx .. I'll hack that for 5mins .. [15:19] S.0 .. this symbol .. http://bit.ly/UnLuckyForSomeMaybeLBS [15:20] Ofcourse these are all the work of RedBubble .. any acquaintance .. http://www.redbubble.com/people/robbrown/works/8613327-ubuntu-linux-for-human-beings [15:21] i wonder iif al of these symbols in the original Poster canj be adapted for use in Public Environs ? [ Que the vox of the mistorons ..] [15:23] what are all the work of who? [15:24] .. Lets pic a public amenity .. Maybe A Bench .. Like this one ---- > http://r.ebay.com/lIDqqJ [15:24] daftykins: Hangon .. I've not finshed the hack yet .. === BenInTheTub is now known as GentileBen [15:25] Oh .. my 5 mins is up .. My G-shock baby watch says so .. [15:25] Oh well .. how did I do .. lets have a looksie .. [15:26] A public bench .. in a commuter area .. Costco .. £1.95K [15:29] Complete with 129x customised stickers from Redbubble .. at $3 each .. that's £248.75 GBP.. [15:30] and a ongoing cost to clean up the beanch .. Prob.ly £5 per week .. [15:30] **bench.. [15:32] Total cost .. £2198.75 ~(initially).. Plus £305.50 a year (cleaning-up-task) .. [15:32] what kind of bench is that? [15:33] A victiorain one .. very comfy .. [15:33] a gold-plated one? [15:33] Gold was scarce in that era .. but a good decentralised currency all the same .. [15:37] MM .. looking at the post by Claude .. [ http://bit.ly/11MpIoT ] i wonder why he would ask me to 'fruish' a meme for £32748.75 .. well to do it ethically in a Britich juristiction .. all so I can enjoy the sun (?) ... [15:38] * redtape|renegade slaps his cerebral- forehead to shut the fud up ! [15:38] redtape|renegade: (tip: if most of the screen is you typing things, people aren't responding ;)) [15:38] XD [15:38] MartijnVdS: I know I was geting to that .. [15:39] sunny day, peeps still wearing coats walking along the high-street [15:39] things i do not get. [15:40] daftykins: when I was at the very first "UDS" (it wasn't called that yet) in december '04, in Mataro (near Barcelona), it was 20-25°C outside [15:41] MartijnVdS: I was wondering if there was a way to get messages thru to people on 'flickr' .. or don't you bother .. (redtape is bemused by the process).. [15:41] daftykins: and those weird Spaniards were walking around in *winter coats* [15:41] daftykins: I know a guy .. [15:41] Who is in the front beach .. [15:41] sat in a a dingy with a Tennants .. singing .. [15:42] redtape|renegade: there's a flickr-mail system, if you go to their profile, there's a "Send FlickrMail" in the "..." dropdown on the right [15:42] redtape|renegade: if you're logged in [15:43] "Return to Innocence " by Enigma .. Some people call it a day if the cops are out of reach .. [15:43] MartijnVdS: haha that was like aus [15:43] MartijnVdS: Right .. I'll make a note .. and test the beligerent sys.. of yours .. [15:45] daftykins: i wouldn't mind but I can only tell he has no top on .. Everyone seeing is wondering if the singer is planning Full Monty before the air seeps out .. [15:45] >_< [15:46] gimp 2.8 has a really nasty memory leak [15:46] it will exhaust 16GB of ram in a couple of hours with no user interaction [15:46] this will freeze the computer [15:47] if i hadn't disabled swap i probably would have lost a few hours work because of this [15:49] you turned it on once you freezed to rescue it? [15:49] no [15:49] because i have disabled swap, the kernel simply killed it when it hit 16GB [15:50] should have used gimp:i386, then it couldn't have used >4GB :P [15:50] if swap were enabled it would have completely frozen the computer [15:50] i would have to press ctrl-alt-f1, wait 10 minutes, log in (typing 1 character per minute) and then kill gimp (again, typing 1 character per minute) because as soon as linux uses any swap at all it totally freezes up the entire system [15:51] ooh.. Ubuntu/saucy is installing libwayland*..? [15:51] ali1234, Surely this is just a value in the package , right . have you tried the mailing list ? http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-user%40lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/ [15:51] wat [15:52] actually i was just going to go to their irc and ask how to debug memory leaks [15:52] but the answer is valgrind anyway [15:52] this leak is really bad. i mean it's crashed 3 times today so its not hard to reproduce [15:52] it leaks about 3MB/sec [15:52] that's a lot [15:52] yeah [15:52] gotta love gtk [15:53] a bad Qt app would leak just as much [15:53] the other weird thing is that it makes the mouse pointer turn into a "wait" logo regularly (like every 0.5 seconds) [15:53] ali1234: my gimp stays at virt: 505m res: 64m shr: 20m [15:54] ali1234: 2.8.4-1ubuntu1 (saucy) [15:54] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3icg6-UjeSM [15:54] ali1234: mine doesn't use CPU at all [15:54] look at the mouse pointer and notice it's pegging the cpu and allocating absurd amounts of memory [15:55] it doesn't do this when first start it up [15:55] ali1234: so it's a problem on your system [15:55] even after loading an image [15:55] only after i have been using it for a while [15:55] please try applying filters to the image [15:55] and drawing on it [15:55] oh, so some tool or script is broken, probably? [15:55] and then applying for filters [15:55] for about 3 hours [15:55] yes, probably [15:57] ali1234, All In know about QA is wat UbuntuUk podcast tells me .. i.e. last one @ 20mins40s .. [ shameless plug ] [15:57] i have a feeling it is undo related [15:59] redtape|renegade: are you IRC'ing from the beach or does your room have a view? [16:00] daftykins: isn't the Isle one big beach? :) [16:00] ali1234: No, but this #channel isn't all about gimp .. AKA 'Dork' on Linux Tycoon .. [16:00] daftykins ..I'll PM you a puicture v. good view BTW.. [16:01] MartijnVdS: Beaches and bike crashes .. Thomas the Tank engine .. makes a splash now and again .. [16:01] MartijnVdS: a fair assumption [16:01] redtape|renegade: also 'front beach' as opposed to...? [16:03] daftykins: Yes, that was a typo .. I was going to say **MY** front beach which is more explanatory to the way I see things .. but my spigot of expresion got lost in "Is that to the High water mark" or not ? .. and bottleed it in the millisecond .. [16:07] anyone used http://tuxonice.net/ [16:12] my laptop is suffering suspend issues [16:16] doesn't resume? [16:17] I'm buying a back-up phone for travelling to conferences .. just in case the U-phone doesn't work .. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/micro-phone-the-tiny-mobile-device-with-a-big-idea [16:18] that guy is rocking ext2 in his vid [16:19] daftykins: doesn't suspent most of the time [16:19] fan comes on, goes crazy, tries to burn house down [16:20] D: [16:22] happens with windows too sometimes [16:22] tis my work laptop i had no choice over [16:23] * redtape|renegade looks for usage of his 8x AA batteries on thinkgeek.com . [ o the import chages AAaargh !] [16:25] mungbean: ah, don't wanna risk say - a BIOS update then? [16:33] daftykins: Soo it looks like I've got two options for Xmas present for my family this year .. This one http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/c4e1/ Or this one .. http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ef56/ [16:37] http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/apqKjRb_700b_v1.jpg [16:37] think that's the Guernsey boat to England [16:37] opening .. === mh0 is now known as clop0 [16:38] .. where's ENGland .. ? Oh you mean Angleterre . very good ... ^_^ [16:38] mungbean: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspendHibernateResume === clop0 is now known as mh0 [16:54] OT | Caffrey's shandy time .. only got blueberry's on the fridge thou for afters .. [16:54] i have heated pains au chocolat \o/ [16:55] * popey makes pancakes [16:55] v. quick there daftykins | are you playing portal today or something ? [16:55] Arrr damn .. [16:55] * penguin42 burps ice cream [16:57] * redtape|renegade runs for the DVD collection .. to console his recent spree of no-moderator happiness | It had to end sometime .. I'll take off my blaggard badge now like the sheriff of loneliness I am .. [16:59] shouldn't we... notify the parents, or the Isle of Man authorities or something? [17:00] if i got much money for committing him i'd donate it to Canonical. [17:01] can you get money for committing people, if so I think there are a few people I could make a profit off [17:01] i hear that you can [17:01] not sure if it's universal though :( [17:01] I'd like to point out I'm in a different juristiction :) [17:02] I'm sure we can get around that [17:02] If you got money for commiting him and donated it to Canonical, they'd have more free cash than Apple and could but Microsoft with loose change [17:02] s/but/buy/ [17:04] shauno: don't worry i have friends in Irish places [17:04] :D [17:05] how may I be of service :) [17:05] what on earth would you buy msft for? [17:05] perhaps he had a dream of riding the Titanic [17:05] *drums* [17:05] czajkowski: any ideas if you earn money for committing people in Ireland? [17:06] in my mind, msft have been a non-entity ever since they killed Flight Simulator. just ignore them and they'll go away :) [17:06] daftykins: narp [17:10] genuinely though, redtape scares me. [17:12] he's certainly a character [17:13] ^_^ [17:26] Good afternoon peeps :) [17:27] heya [17:27] how do? [17:33] Be do be do be do [17:33] Nibbling beef jerky and enjoying the afternoon sun from the safety of indoors [17:33] Hope I'm not missing much [17:34] you'r missing ice cream in the sun [17:34] Awww [17:35] haha [17:35] penguin42: are you IRC'ing from outside? ;) [17:38] no, not today - I've been out and walked around in the sun, sat around slowly eating lovely ice cream [17:38] :> [17:40] nice italian ice cream place in manchester; do a lovely dark chocolate sorbet [17:44] penguin42: wellity wellity [17:44] why can't they separate builds of Steam so i'm not getting updates to fix issues on other platforms than mine :( [17:45] lo bigcalm [17:45] daftykins: You see the same things in .deb's as well - package updates where the package has been rebuilt for a different arch [17:45] popey: Back on solid ground? [17:45] ya [17:45] room was still swaying earlier though [17:46] haha - the waves on the canals aren't quite that high are they? [17:46] XD [17:49] ☻ [17:50] oh the dilemma, meant to go to a social function this eve but don't want to [17:54] Evenin' popey :) Welcome back you scurvy sea dog [17:57] popey: So what tech were you running on it, you said it had it's own IRC server, what was it running on? [18:08] penguin42: an android phone [18:09] one of the guys shared his 3g over wifi and put an irc server on the phone too for fun [18:09] I took a battery with me to keep my phone topped up because we were led to believe there were not many sockets, turned out there were plenty, but the battery was handy anyway [18:13] no pi? [18:19] nope [18:19] there were a few laptops there [18:19] they didn't get a lot of use [19:55] evening all [19:56] Any suggestions, got some videos on a dvd [19:56] eh? [19:56] Trying to copy off but getting can't copy on one [19:56] Just about to get error, files with play ok, tried dding the disc and copy that way and still fails [19:56] So maybe an issue with the file ? [19:57] diplo: Is it a commerical disk or one you recorded? [19:57] If I can watch it, maybe a way of copying it off another way ? [19:58] Some recorded stuff [19:58] It's not a drm issue if that's what you meaning. [19:58] commercial disks have encrypted stuff at the drive layer that needs decoding to let you even read the files [19:58] diplo: ddrescue [19:59] Copies about a few hundred mb, about half way before stopping [19:59] (then I'm not entirely sure what happens given that I think video sectors are longer sectors - wth happens to those at the file level?) [19:59] ok [19:59] diplo: Doesn't it happen on the 1st sector of the file you're trying to read? [19:59] if it's a production film DVD, Sony ARccOS can be a pain [20:00] Ooh, I've heard of that but never used it. I'll google a mo ta [20:00] Error splicing file: Input/output error [20:00] nah, just a personal vid [20:00] Nope [20:00] diplo: Does it always stop at the same point? [20:01] yep, exactly the same point [20:02] tried another drive? [20:02] That's the only thing I haven't yet, but copied about 5 discs so far [20:03] just 1 file on 1 disc :) [20:03] I've probably got a backup somewhere else, but rather not have to find it :) [20:03] yeh so you've got something between marginal and duff sector, with any luck another drive might read it [20:06] Just trying ddrescue, but will try another drive tomorrow [20:10] whoops. [20:11] whoops? [20:11] diplo: that's exactly what happens with ARccOS infected DVDs, when ripping ones collection to ISO. [20:12] penguin42: i was trying to be funny about the nickname and the netsplit ;) [20:12] oh, didn't see a split here [20:12] Excess flood, not a net split [20:12] Whoop* needs to sort out their connection [20:15] * diplo googles arccos [20:16] ah defo not protected files [20:17] anyone remember that US show 'Boy Meets World'? heh [20:18] Would a channel op like to set a fancy ban on Whoop? [20:18] that would be spiffing [20:18] Myrtti: ^^ :) [20:19] Myrtti: i'll top up your wine if you do [20:19] stupid lag [20:19] ho hum [20:19] yeah, indeed [20:19] nickserve isn't working [20:19] stypid lag [20:19] so i cant [20:20] aww [20:20] who keeps hammering freenode of late? [20:20] hBeing ddos'd [20:20] :( [20:20] also, why would they? [20:20] FOSS could be a bit of a target [20:21] for some [20:21] cant fathom why people would do that [20:21] kids [20:21] to an irc network [20:21] I think it's grifferz - network envy ;) [20:21] have a friend who runs ircnet stuff and it seems to be constant [20:22] still odd though. [20:24] Myrtti: thank you :) [20:25] * daftykins tops up Myrtti's wine as promised [20:25] apt-get install wine [20:26] oh it was installed alright [20:44] bigcalm: grifferz doesn't run blitzed [20:44] anyone get HIB? [20:44] popey: aww, not that then [20:44] mungbean: lots of us I'm guessing [20:44] I haven't bothered with the Serious Sam one though [20:44] Sometimes the HIB is too frequent [20:45] yes mungbean [20:45] 8 [20:45] decided not to get anymore [20:45] 9 [20:45] but 8 looks great [20:45] so i got it [20:45] Tiny and Big is ful [20:45] dear esther [20:45] *fun [20:45] the problem with HIB for me is that I'll play the games once.. or not even once [20:45] so I stopped buying [20:45] thats me MartijnVdS [20:45] but hoped one day i would have time [20:46] and a powerful machine [20:46] I like getting the steam keys and maybe getting around to installing/playing some day in the future [20:46] Thomas was Alone looks OK [20:47] I think I got a free Steam key for Portal about 2 years ago [20:47] never bothered to run it [20:47] ! [20:47] it's great [20:47] wonder if it'll work on my Mac [20:47] i got that, tried to run on wine, was a fail [20:47] lemme check [20:47] now its native [20:47] I couldnt get into portal, tried it the other day [20:48] Portal runs on Macs [20:48] mgdm: yeah it shows up with mac logo too [20:48] and on newer (Sandy Bridge+ I think) intel! [20:48] so must be good [20:48] daftykins: ooo [20:48] (on linux) [20:48] My Linux box and my current laptop can run it, then [20:48] woo [20:53] laptop fans seem to be the right pitch to wake babies] [20:55] mungbean: haha [20:55] doh [20:55] stupid picasa/facebook/youtube [20:56] ok ..most sites [20:57] i replayed some portal 2 earlier, sophie came in and said she remembered from the last time i played portal, which was some time back [20:58] :> [21:00] <^aDaM> Hi popey :D [21:00] <^aDaM> and daftykins an mungbean [21:00] hey ^aDaM [21:00] \o [21:00] <^aDaM> :) [21:00] <^aDaM> \o/ [21:00] hello mr. mixed case sir [21:00] <^aDaM> :D [21:01] * ^aDaM *burps* [21:01] <^aDaM> dear god! [21:01] <^aDaM> lol [21:02] searching for giggle-author.c assertion (from a bug I just triggered) got a google hit with launchpad as the 1st hit, Jon Stewart's wikipedia page, the Garden of Earthly delights, and a Daily mail article entitled 'Outraged Philadelphia mayor calls for investigation into'disgusting magazine article' [21:02] oh, and T.S.Eliot poetry foundation [21:02] <^aDaM> !bot [21:02] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-uk's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots [21:15] OK, Thomas Was Alone == cool [21:15] ^_^ [21:15] this one looks interesting, but pricey [21:15] http://store.steampowered.com/app/231200/?snr=1_7_7_230_150_1 [21:16] the sarcastic voice-over does it :) [21:17] daftykins: you get a lot of game for that price thoguh [21:17] The game is split into five acts, of which the first is available now. [21:18] Apparently I have Civ V on Steam, too [21:18] only for another day [21:18] it's a "Free weekend" [21:18] ah [21:19] no fun [21:19] it's cheap though [21:19] (which is why they do it: more promotion) [21:19] the last game I sank significant time into was Alpha Centauri, wonder if that's on there [21:19] I have civ-call to power [21:19]