[00:04] <DarkEra> still didn't get the desktop loaded in VB by the way, i guess i'll be installing a cli tomorrow on another partition when i find some time
[00:19] <OvenWerks> The gnome menu file is broken in the same way as the xfce menu file :P
[00:21] <OvenWerks> but fixing the file while letting us do menu layout still doesn't fix the no submenu problem
[00:43] <OvenWerks> zequence: my opinion is that it is not worth adding our menu to the gnomeshell menu extension.
[00:44] <OvenWerks> At least not till it gets fixed.
[04:09] <zequence> OvenWerks: Gnome might not be worth the trouble, but if you like, have a look at cinnamon
[04:09] <zequence> There was news about Cinnamon going to drop Gnome3 dependency all together and become a full standalone desktop system, so it'll probably change in the future some
[04:10] <OvenWerks> Just looking at the web page, The version of the menuin ubuntu gnome seems a ways behind. 
[04:11] <OvenWerks> I tried to install cinnamon, but was unable to login to the de even with the intel graphics chip
[04:11] <zequence> Seems like my patch may have caused a regression. bug #1188881
[04:12] <OvenWerks> It may be because I tried to install it on the same machine as ubuntu gnome and there was a lib conflict
[04:12] <zequence> Well, I don't think there should be any lib conflict because of it. Dependencies are the same
[04:13] <zequence> ..as before. The patch only adds a few lines of code here and there to the pre-existing package
[04:14] <OvenWerks> Someone says your chnage and the problem do not seem connected
[04:14] <zequence> One needs to be accepted to Ubuntu's error tracker in order to see the whole story
[04:15] <zequence> That guy Langasek believes it might be compiler related
[04:16] <OvenWerks> should be easy to test
[15:57] <zequence> DarkEra: What's the story behind your nickname anyway?
[15:57] <zequence> Sounds like a great old death metal band
[15:57] <zequence> or the name of one
[15:57] <zequence> Makes me nostalgic almost
[15:59] <DarkEra> nothing special, when i joined in on the dutch ubuntu forums and irc back in 2007/2008 i just came up with it and used it since then
[16:07] <zequence> NickG: I did a few small changes to the website yesterday, I think it was. Added some links to the side panel http://ubuntustudio.org/
[16:08] <NickG> good stuff
[16:08] <NickG> I haven't looked at it enough yet to know what is new there lol
[16:09] <zequence> I think what we should focus on with the website is really just make it as accessible as possible
[16:09] <NickG> I got a day planned with my wife today but tomorrow I'm going to go in through ftp and download the wp-content and make a new installation on my server and put it in there
[16:09] <NickG> I like accessibility
[16:09] <NickG> What we run into eventually is accessibility < clutter
[16:10] <NickG> I've seen a lot of websites, and a lot of them are just... heavy
[16:10] <NickG> I like the layout, its all logical too
[16:10] <zequence> One thing that I might like to change is how the text is displayed
[16:10] <NickG> font/color?
[16:11] <zequence> Size does never need to be particularly small, unless we're talking about footnotes
[16:11] <zequence> Some of the text is hard to see, it's a bit too grey
[16:11] <zequence> Or not enough black
[16:11] <NickG> I notice that when I click the links on the right hand side (facebook profile, G+, etc) it opens in the same tab, taking people away from the site.  we should add target="_blank" to each link to make it open in a new tab
[16:11] <zequence> That's a good thing to do, yeah
[16:13] <NickG> personally, black on white is VERY contrasting, usually a dark grey over lighter grey or white ends up looking more polished
[16:13] <NickG> any text in specific you're referring to?
[16:13] <zequence> As long as it's easy to read
[16:13] <zequence> I just want the text to be instantly readable
[16:14] <NickG> I find it is already
[16:14] <zequence> Really? I feel there are a few things that could be improved
[16:14] <NickG> where exactly?
[16:15] <zequence> Are you saying you can't think of anything that could make the text look better?
[16:16] <NickG> I did notice when I go to the articles page, the date/category font is extremely light
[16:16] <NickG> considering it's on a white background
[16:16] <zequence> I also think the text size is a bit small
[16:16] <zequence> this may depend a bit on browser, screen, etc
[16:17] <NickG> it could for sure
[16:17] <zequence> but, overall, I think it's too small
[16:17] <NickG> It looks about 11 or 12 px
[16:17] <zequence> The synopsis of the news on the first page could be improved as well
[16:17] <zequence> Right now, it doesn't include line breaks
[16:17] <NickG> Yeah
[16:17] <NickG> I notice that flaw in wordpress
[16:18] <zequence> And it would be nice if it also included a thumbnail of either artwork or a video
[16:18] <NickG> the php script telling it how/where to display content can be changed to include line breaks
[16:18] <NickG> for each article?
[16:18] <zequence> Sure
[16:18] <NickG> do-able for sure
[16:19] <zequence> We only show 4 posts at the front page right now
[16:19] <zequence> I've set the amount so that the vertical size works
[16:19] <zequence> We don't need to show more than 5 posts anyway
[16:20] <NickG> Another thing... this might be crazy but it seems like it's using a generic font.  What about using the ubuntu type-font for the content?  or one similar?
[16:20] <NickG> yah
[16:20] <zequence> I'm up for anything, so if you think it'll look nice, try it
[16:20] <NickG> users can access all of the articles, so it makes sense to have 4 or 5 latest posts on front page
[16:21] <NickG> And the text in the main banner area is definitely small
[16:21] <NickG> it should draw more attention because it is the first thing people see, so it needs to capture their attention
[16:21] <zequence> you mean "ubuntu studio"?
[16:21] <NickG> no
[16:21] <NickG> where it has the "Welcome to ubuntu studio" 
[16:22] <NickG> "Ubuntu Studio is a free and open operating system for creative people.
[16:22] <NickG> We provide the full range of multimedia content creation applications for each of our workflows: audio, graphics, video, photography and publishing." could be a bit bigger
[16:22] <zequence> Ok, in the program they are called fron tabs
[16:22] <NickG> ok
[16:22] <zequence> front tabs
[16:22] <NickG> Good stuff.  tonight I'll make an installation and play around with these things
[16:23] <NickG> I gotta run to get groceries now, though
[16:23] <zequence> No hurry. We don't really need to make any changes until 14.04, so you have lots of time to play around with it
[16:23] <NickG> ok
[16:23] <NickG> I'll be on later
[16:23] <zequence> See you later
[16:23] <NickG> have a good day
[16:23] <zequence> I'll be away, btw
[16:23] <zequence> You too
[16:23] <NickG> ok
[19:19] <OvenWerks> Server crashed :P  moved PS and Drive to older machine... works.. sort of
[19:19] <OvenWerks> I have eth0 and eth2 instead of 0 and 1
[19:21] <OvenWerks> It seems the os has remembered the internel eth1 if from the other mb.