[08:42] <lordieva1er> Good morning.
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[11:30] <BluesKaj_> Howdy all
[12:45] <BluesKaj_> are alternate installs  supposed to be available for 13.10 ?
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[14:33] <seele> anyone have about 30 minutes for an interview about your kde notifications? it will earn a $5 donation to the kde e.v. for your participation.
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[18:20] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:29] <yofel_> agateau++
[19:43] <ahoneybun> hey all
[19:44] <littlegirl> Hey there. (:
[19:44] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: hey!
[19:46] <littlegirl> I've been meaning to get a bit more information since I'm busy getting caught up on months of emails from the list and elsewhere, and I saw these two bugs that added a bit to my confusion: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/1170403 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1172290 and now I hear you and Valorie are working on docs and I'm not sure which docs are where. (:
[19:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1172290 in Ubuntu Translations "duplicate for #1170403 Deprecated Kubuntu Docs templates still listed in Launchpad Translations" [Medium,Fix released]
[19:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1172290 in Ubuntu Translations "Deprecated Kubuntu Docs templates still listed in Launchpad Translations" [Medium,Fix released]
[19:49] <littlegirl> Also, if docs are being edited here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs then all we need to do is log in with our Launchpad accounts and edit them right in the wiki without even having to pull or push them with BZR?
[19:49] <ahoneybun> we are not using the lp, that just holds the xml files from the old docs
[19:49] <ahoneybun> the wiki is the main work 
[19:50] <ahoneybun> just log in there and do some edits, fixes and such
[19:50] <littlegirl> And the wiki pages will be the docs that are included in the Kubuntu distribution?
[19:51] <ahoneybun> well darkwing is going to take them and make them a bit smaller and then those will be in the iso
[19:51] <ahoneybun> a miminal set
[19:51] <littlegirl> If the main work is in the wiki that will be much easier for me at the moment, since I don't know what my schedule will be. I'm hoping to be getting a new job, soon. (:
[19:52] <littlegirl> But with the wiki, I can pop in, do an edit or two, and if you don't like something I did, you can easily revert it. Much easier than the submitting for approval for merging stuff. (:
[19:53] <ahoneybun> for sure
[19:54] <ahoneybun> maybe the minimal set will have a branch
[19:54] <ahoneybun> or I will make one for that set
[19:55] <ahoneybun> btw I just added you to the trello board for the docs
[19:57] <littlegirl> Oh, cool, thanks! I had a question about that, too. Isn't it a replacement for the Launchpad blueprint since both of them are basically full-blown to do lists?
[19:58] <ahoneybun> I don't know too much about blueprints, the main thing is that trello is not OSS 
[19:58] <yofel_> pretty much, except that launchpad blueprints usually get in your way, trello does not
[19:58] <ahoneybun> trello is so easy to change last min
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[19:58] <ahoneybun> or as we go
[19:58] <ahoneybun> feels like forever since I talked to Darkwing
[19:58] <littlegirl> Then I guess Trello is okay to use even though it's not OSS, right? (:
[19:59] <littlegirl> It has been forever for me. I've been gone for almost a year. (:
[20:00] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: yea I read that
[20:00] <ahoneybun> trello is awesome though
[20:02] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: I added you to proofread the pages that are done 
[20:03] <littlegirl> I watched a video on it on YouTube and it looks fabulous! I've got a tablet and there's apparently a Trello app for it, but it doesn't work quite the same way. I love the idea of having TO DO, DOING, and DONE columns and just dragging stuff from one to the next. It seems very quick and efficient. (:
[20:03] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Thanks!
[20:04] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: I have it on my phone it works the same way for me
[20:04] <ahoneybun> omg I'm running 2 OS in VMs right now
[20:04] <littlegirl> Because I just moved and have been away so long I'm still using Kubuntu 10.04. We found our stack of CDs but the burner won't read them, so we need to get more before I can burn the new copy of Kubuntu and install it. As a result, for now I'll be doing things like spell checking, grammar and punctuation checking, link checking, etc.
[20:05] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Your phone has it and it has the columns?
[20:05]  * littlegirl is going to dash off and get it if so
[20:05] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:05] <ahoneybun> to do , doing , done
[20:05] <littlegirl> Nice!
[20:05] <ahoneybun> pages kinda cuz of the small screen
[20:06] <ahoneybun> I use USB drives
[20:06] <ahoneybun> reusable
[20:07] <littlegirl> I currently use Simple Notepad, with a to-do feature, in my tablet, but Trello looks even better. (:
[20:07] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:07] <ahoneybun> more project focused
[20:08] <littlegirl> I saw a message in the list that Riddell and someone else are going to be getting Kubuntu Active working on my tablet (yay!), so as soon as they do, that's what's going on it. (:
[20:08] <ahoneybun> the n7?
[20:08] <littlegirl> Yep!
[20:08] <littlegirl> Well, one of them is doing it on an n10, but I have the n7 like Riddell. (:
[20:08] <ahoneybun> Riddell is working on n7 I think and shadeslayer is working on n10
[20:08] <ahoneybun> I believe
[20:08] <ahoneybun> I have the ubuntu touch preview on my n7 at the moment
[20:08] <littlegirl> I also saw a post somewhere during the 10 months that I've been gone from someone who actually put full blown Kubuntu on his Nexus 7, but not everything fully worked, so I'm a bit gunshy to try it. (:
[20:09] <ahoneybun> can't get Kubuntu Active to boot
[20:09] <littlegirl> I'll wait for Kubuntu Active. I'm not a fan of Ubuntu. (:
[20:09] <ahoneybun> well with the Ubuntu Touch backend
[20:09] <ahoneybun> meego worked fine
[20:09] <littlegirl> They'll figure it out once they've got the toys in their hot little hands. (:
[20:10] <ahoneybun> I believe we may have gotten offtopic lol
[20:10] <littlegirl> True. (:
[20:10] <ahoneybun> it is development though
[20:11] <ahoneybun> anyway the docs are under pretty heavy development
[20:11] <littlegirl> Yeah, my main reason for wanting it is that I have to switch between bed and chair multiple times in a day, and that limits what I can do on a computer. If I have Kubuntu on the computer and the tablet, I can do the same thing in both places, so I'm very excited at the prospect of making the two machines the same, and it kind of is development. (:
[20:12] <ahoneybun> oh I forgot http://people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/Kubuntu/MumbleMeeting/KubuntuMumble-2013-05-20-.ogg
[20:12] <ahoneybun> muble meeting
[20:12] <littlegirl> I'd be happy to help with those, especially now that I know all I have to do is log into the wiki and go to it. I won't make any kind of decisions on anything major with docs - I'll just do cleanup duty. (:
[20:12] <ahoneybun> mumble meeting
[20:13] <ahoneybun> some talk on docs
[20:13] <littlegirl> Listening...
[20:15] <ahoneybun> now we are not going to use web slice or anything
[20:16] <littlegirl> ok
[20:16] <ahoneybun> the plan so far is to use folder view to list docs
[20:16] <ahoneybun> files and so
[20:17] <littlegirl> Good - that's my preferred desktop view. (:
[20:17] <ahoneybun> cool
[20:18] <littlegirl> So you guys are talking about a default folder that will be on the desktop when the user first installs Kubuntu, right?
[20:18] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:19] <littlegirl> And that will contain the minimal docs Darkwing is working on?
[20:19] <ahoneybun> thats the plan so far
[20:19] <ahoneybun> have you seen chakra linux?
[20:19] <littlegirl> Okay, I think I've got it now, then, but still listening. (:
[20:19] <littlegirl> No, what is it?
[20:20] <ahoneybun> KDE focused disro
[20:20] <ahoneybun> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1i7EX7a2ELY/TIptPB1QUII/AAAAAAAAAWg/Z6QLwPvLg08/s1600/chakralive.png
[20:20] <littlegirl> I *love* that you guys decided to put the docs into the wiki, though. I think you're right that it will appeal to a wider audience and you'll get more people willing to help maintain them. (:
[20:20] <ahoneybun> like this
[20:20] <ahoneybun> kinda
[20:20] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:21] <ahoneybun> much easier to jump in
[20:21] <littlegirl> Ah, okay, thanks!
[20:21] <ahoneybun> kinda
[20:22] <ahoneybun> from my way anyway
[20:22] <ahoneybun> my view
[20:22] <littlegirl> Yeah. I'm a geek, so I love things like BZR, Subversion, Mallard, DocBook, etc., etc., etc., but I know that the majority aren't. And although I'm a geek, the bottleneck of submitting merges, getting them approved, and then working them on down the chain can't be denied as a source of frustration. Much nicer to just do it and have it done for anyone to see and double-check and move forward with. (:
[20:23] <ahoneybun> yea lordievader is also editing and proof reading
[20:23] <littlegirl> Okay, good to know. (:
[20:25] <ahoneybun> right now me and valorie are making pages and writing content and you two are proof reading but I have no problem with you guys/girls adding content as well 
[20:25] <ahoneybun> the more the merrier
[20:26] <littlegirl> Okay, no problem. I hope you also don't mind if I remove some content. For instance, the Development page Valorie linked to in the list has a repeated thank you from the Kubuntu team for choosing the wiki, and I'd just lop one of them right out of that page. (:
[20:26] <littlegirl> Whoops - not the Development page - the welcome page for the whole darned thing. (:
[20:27] <littlegirl> This one would get the knife from me: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Welcome
[20:27] <ahoneybun> I see
[20:27] <ahoneybun> yea that's perfect to me
[20:27] <ahoneybun> the edit is
[20:27] <ahoneybun> the edit that is
[20:28] <lordievader> O hey ahoneybun, have you taken a look at the GettingInvolved page?
[20:28] <littlegirl> I'm also a fan of alphabetizing tables of contents if no one objects, unless there's a reason not to. Like when there are various types of software, unless they're listed in order of importance, I think it's visually more appealing and also easier for the user to find what they're looking for if they're sorted alphabetically. (:
[20:28] <ahoneybun> no ?
[20:28] <littlegirl> Okay, I'll do it. (:
[20:29] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: oh let me see it before you change 
[20:29] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Which one - the thank you one or the alphabetized one?
[20:29] <ahoneybun> second
[20:29] <ahoneybun> the thank you is fine to remove without asking
[20:29] <littlegirl> Okay, no problem. (:
[20:30] <ahoneybun> plus we can just go to a different revision right?
[20:30] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Jup
[20:31] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Did you write that for irc port 8001 is the most secure?
[20:31] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I believe so
[20:31] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Why did you state that?
[20:32] <ahoneybun> lordievader: is it not true?
[20:32] <lordievader> ahoneybun: In theory port 6667 isn't any less secure that port 8001. (Unless SSL is involved)
[20:33] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[20:35] <ahoneybun> lordievader: you think the getting involved page is done?
[20:35]  * littlegirl can't log in to the Kubuntu wiki: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5749627/
[20:36] <lordievader> littlegirl: Reload the wiki and you might be logged in, I had a similair problem once.
[20:37] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Almost... Needs a few tweaks here and there.
[20:37] <ahoneybun> ok
[20:37] <littlegirl> loedievader: Thanks - tried it and nope, but it's worth remembering in case that is it in the future. (:
[20:38] <littlegirl> Oh, hey, I'm logged in! It just took a while. (:
[20:39] <lordievader> It allways takes an age :(
[20:39] <lordievader> Well have fun editing the wiki, I'm going to bed.
[20:40] <littlegirl> Okay, will do. Sleep well! (:
[20:40] <ahoneybun> lordievader: see ya!
[20:43] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: are you up to speed now?
[20:43] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Yep, off and running. Already made one edit to the Welcome page and am working on more. (:
[20:44] <ahoneybun> sweet :
[20:44] <ahoneybun> :)
[20:44] <littlegirl> Thanks for the help! I'll do what I can to help, and once I know what my schedule will be for sure, I'll let you know how that impacts what I can do, but I'd like to remain a part of the Kubuntu documentation in one way or another from now on. I believe in Kubuntu. (:
[20:51] <ahoneybun> np same here
[20:51] <ahoneybun> I'm looking to be a member
[20:52] <littlegirl> Do you mind if I rename Managing Software to Software Management on the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic page, create the File Management section on the same page, and put Dolphin into the newly created section?
[20:52] <littlegirl> Oh, I thought you were one. (:
[20:52] <ahoneybun> nope
[20:53] <ahoneybun> only been a little over a month
[20:53] <littlegirl> Well, if you keep up your involvement, I have no doubt that you will be assimilated. (:
[20:55] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: By the way, I tend to like to just do things if I see they need to be done, unless it's something that I obviously need more information or permission for. If I do anything that you don't like, feel free to delete or revert it and let me know in here or in email that I shouldn't have done it and shouldn't do it again. (:
[20:55] <Riddell> evening
[20:56] <littlegirl> Hey there. (:
[20:56] <ahoneybun> ok will do :) but I think those changes most likely be great
[20:56] <ahoneybun> Riddell: HEY
[20:56] <Riddell> littlegirl: rohan has my n7 now
[20:56] <ahoneybun> sorry
[20:56] <littlegirl> Riddell: I can't tell you how excited I am that you guys are doing that. My tablet is right here next to me just itching to get Kubuntu on it. (:
[20:57] <Riddell> littlegirl: what tablet is that?
[20:57] <littlegirl> Nexus 7, which is exactly what you guys are going to be making sure works. (:
[20:58] <littlegirl> Riddell: I'm not a coder, though, other than some dabbling in JavaScript and HTML, so I'd be useless at figuring out how to make it work.
[20:58] <littlegirl> Riddell: I would, however, be happy to document it if and when the time comes that it goes live. (:
[20:59] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Are you okay with those three changes I want to make to the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic page?
[21:00] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: the managing software and repos are not really on that page, they are in sub pages 
[21:00] <ahoneybun> we are using the include tags to put them from the sub pages
[21:01] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Oh! I hadn't yet edited the page. I'm just sitting here looking at the finished thing. Never mind me. (:
[21:02] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I just took a look at it and I can do it. The title headings are on the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic page, so I can rename and reposition those if you don't mind and move the Dolphin content into the File management section.
[21:02] <ahoneybun> if you do that you have to rename the /kubuntu/kubuntudocs/basic/managingsoftware page, then change the links on the /software/games/ pages and another I believe
[21:03] <ahoneybun> move the dolphin section 
[21:03] <ahoneybun> I will rename the page and fix the links
[21:03] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: So go for it?
[21:03] <ahoneybun> yea it seems like a better name
[21:03] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I'll do it really quickly and put it into Pastebin and if you like it I can add it. (:
[21:04] <ahoneybun> ok
[21:05] <ahoneybun> change the names and I will fix the links as firefox is not working right so I can't rename the page
[21:06] <ahoneybun> are we renaming a title or a page?
[21:09] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: It's just the subtitle in the Table of Contents. The included content remains the same.
[21:10] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Here it is not alphabetized: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5749719/
[21:10] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: An alphabetized version is coming momentarily.....
[21:10] <ahoneybun> oh ok
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[21:13] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: And here it is with all the ToC subtitles alphabetized: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5749732/
[21:13] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: The alphabetized one also contains the changes that I made to the non-alphabetized one.
[21:14] <ahoneybun> I just think getting the internet connected is a top thing the user would want
[21:14] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Okay, that's why I asked. If there was a good reason for not alphabetizing, then I'd leave it alone, and that sounds like a good reason. (:
[21:16] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: So should I go ahead and do the changes in this one? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5749719/
[21:19] <ahoneybun> yea I think it would make it easier to know what it does
[21:22] <littlegirl> Hey, if I subscribe to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs will that subscribe me to all the subpages as well, or do I need to do each one of them manually?
[21:23] <ahoneybun> not sure
[21:24] <littlegirl> I guess I'll find out one way or another. (:
[21:24] <ahoneybun> :) ywe3a
[21:24] <ahoneybun> yea
[21:25] <ahoneybun> anyone know about bespin here?
[21:29] <ahoneybun> why no new images of kubuntu active?
[21:34] <mzaza> I have just finished learning C++, and I was looking to contribute to a C++ open source project. Any recommendations for an easy project to start on?
[21:39] <littlegirl> mzaza: Hopefully someone will answer you shortly. I'm rooting for you. (:
[21:44]  * ahoneybun wonders what kde project uses C++
[21:45] <littlegirl> Aw, wiki edits don't count for Launchpad karma. ):
[21:45] <ahoneybun> yea I know
[21:46] <ahoneybun> mzaza: Amarok? https://launchpad.net/amarok
[21:46] <ahoneybun> well not easy
[21:46] <ahoneybun> I guess
[21:46] <ahoneybun> mzaza: you can talk to valorie as she contributes to it, in a documentation sense though
[21:50] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: In answer to my earlier question, you have to manually subscribe to each page if you want to be notified of changes, so I just did so. (:
[21:50] <ahoneybun> oh great lol
[21:55] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: hang in the #kubuntu channel, we should add a how-to to remove ppa's and go back to the original software for that release
[21:55] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Okay, I'm in the channel already. (:
[21:56] <ahoneybun> see lorddelta's problem
[21:56] <ahoneybun> as a perfect example
[22:03] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: what do you think?
[22:04] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Good idea. I had started a personal wiki page (just on my own computer) a while back as a reference for when I needed to work with PPAs. I don't have anything for backporting them and I could grab the instructions you just gave the guy. Where do you want the page?
[22:05] <ahoneybun>   /kubuntu/kubuntudocs/basic/managingrepositories
[22:06] <ahoneybun> you would think Ubuntu would have a tool like Linux Mint does since they made the darn ppa system lol
[22:09] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Isn't there a Wish List that something like that can be added to for eager developers who would like a new project (hint hint, mzaza) to sink their teeth into? (:
[22:10] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Here's my Extra Rough copy of what I've got so far: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5749877/ - It's my personal wiki info that I never finished (so it's in my personal wiki's syntax) and your IRC transcript just now. Can you do me a favor and give me the same instructions you just gave him for doing it in the GUI and instead give it to me on the command line? I always like to include both if possible. (:
[22:11] <Riddell> him mzaza 
[22:11] <Riddell> almost all KDE projects use c++
[22:11] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: ubuntu brainstorm?
[22:11] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: That will do it. (:
[22:11] <Riddell> so you should indeed read up on Qt and kdelibs and play with some simple demo programmes
[22:11] <Riddell> mzaza: then find a bug and fix it
[22:12] <Riddell> and you'll be sucked in
[22:12] <littlegirl> Riddell: And then maybe he could sink his teeth into ahoneybun's PPA management program. (:
[22:12] <Riddell> yeah,although software-properties is python
[22:12] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: I would think you could fork LM's code and put a Qt over top of it
[22:13] <ahoneybun> like how nvidia-settings does it
[22:14] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: No idea - I'm a "backyard mechanic" when it comes to coding, having only wet my feet on HTML and JavaScript. (:
[22:14] <ahoneybun> a bit of python and html ( no where close to do that though!)
[22:14]  * littlegirl would like to learn Ruby, although she's not sure it would be of any use in things like Kubuntu
[22:18] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5749898/ not sure how you would update and upgrade without Muon Software Manager or a commandline
[22:18] <ahoneybun> MSM would be best with the GUI part
[22:18] <ahoneybun> brb dinner
[22:19] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Oh, thank you - aren't you fast? (:
[22:19] <littlegirl> ok
[22:31] <ahoneybun> and I'm back
[22:31] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I'm adding PPA to the Ubuntu wiki glossary. (:
[22:32] <ahoneybun> Kubuntu ?
[22:32] <littlegirl> Kubuntu glossary is empty and redirects to Ubuntu glossary, so I'm adding it there. Is the redirect an oversight?
[22:34] <ahoneybun> not sure what your talking about
[22:36] <littlegirl> I did a search for glossary on the Kubuntu wiki and it linked me to the Glossary page which redirected me to the Ubuntu wiki Glossary page, so I'm adding PPA there.
[22:37] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: no going to add the content about removing, adding and updating/upgrading to the wiki page?
[22:37] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Yep, but I want to link to the glossary definition as part of it. (:
[22:37] <ahoneybun> oh that
[22:39] <mzaza> Riddell: littlegirl ahoneybun Sorry I was away from PC just red your messages, I will look for a bug then, i found a link kde.org/jj i'll try to figureout my way
[22:39] <mzaza> Riddell: littlegirl ahoneybun thanks for your help :)
[22:40] <ahoneybun> np :)
[22:40] <ahoneybun> wish you luck!
[22:40] <littlegirl> mzaza: Any time, and have fun! (:
[22:40] <ahoneybun> jj is a good start
[22:40] <ahoneybun> junior jobs
[22:41] <ahoneybun> omg ubuntu touch is flipping awesome
[22:41] <ahoneybun> well I wish my camera worked
[22:42] <littlegirl> Never heard of it. (:
[22:44] <ahoneybun> of?
[22:44] <ahoneybun> you don't know about ubuntu touch?
[22:44] <littlegirl> Hmmm, I guess you can't use a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=#anchorname anchor from the Kubuntu wiki to the Ubuntu wiki. Is there a trick to it? I want to link to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=#PPA anchor in the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Glossary page. How would I do it?
[22:45] <littlegirl> Yep, never heard of Ubuntu Touch. I've been out of the loop for a while. (:
[22:45] <littlegirl> whoops that didn't work. I want to link to the PPA anchor in the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Glossary page.
[22:46] <ahoneybun> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch
[22:46] <littlegirl> Figured out the anchor. (:
[22:47] <ahoneybun> sweet
[22:47] <ahoneybun> I guess I'm the new docs master lol
[22:48] <ahoneybun> trying to send the new image to my nexus 7
[22:49] <littlegirl> Ah, the Ubuntu tablet software, eh? I'm still waiting for Kubuntu Active. (:
[22:49] <ahoneybun> tablet/phone
[22:49] <ahoneybun> phablet
[22:50] <littlegirl> LOL! I use an old fashioned phone that can't do that. I get my OS fun on the computer and tablet. (:
[22:52] <ahoneybun> I love this error
[22:52] <ahoneybun> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch
[22:52] <ahoneybun> sorry
[22:53] <ahoneybun> Device detected as /sbin/sh: getprop: not found
[22:53] <ahoneybun> Unsupported device, autodetect fails device
[22:53] <ahoneybun> but I have a n7 lol
[22:53] <littlegirl> Bug?
[22:53] <ahoneybun> I think its from the custom rom
[22:53] <ahoneybun> aokp gives that
[22:53] <ahoneybun> pa did not
[22:53] <ahoneybun> I think
[22:54] <ahoneybun> no I had stock on it then
[22:56] <littlegirl> When I come across something like "Start Muon Software Center" or "select Setting, Configure Software Sources in the window" do you want anything done to the important words, like bold or italic font or anything, or just capitalize them like that?
[22:57] <ahoneybun> make it look nice, then I'll look at it :)
[22:57]  * littlegirl is rewriting that page entirely and adding the PPA info to it.
[22:57] <littlegirl> LOL, infidel!
[23:03] <ahoneybun> what page
[23:03] <ahoneybun> ?
[23:04] <littlegirl> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic/ManagingRepositories
[23:04] <littlegirl> Don't worry - I'll either put it into Pastebin or email it to you before actually making the change, because this is gonna be big. (:
[23:07] <ahoneybun> oh boy lol
[23:08] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: You've created a monster. (:
[23:08] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: a kind one? ;)
[23:09] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: To see how much of one, you might want to look at http://mostlylinux.wordpress.com/ which is currently outdated in many ways, but still perfectly useful. It's what I like to do in my spare time. (:
[23:09] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Oh yes. I try never to be mean. (:
[23:11] <ahoneybun> I like the backup script
[23:11] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: I use it all the time. (: The most popular pages are the NFS, TTY, and txt2tags ones. (:
[23:11] <ahoneybun> cool
[23:22] <littlegirl> For removing a repository the page says, "Select it in 'Software Sources' and press the 'Remove' button." Is that in Muon Software Center? I'm using the old Kubuntu.
[23:25] <ahoneybun> well yea
[23:26] <ahoneybun> but the their is a tab in software sources
[23:26] <ahoneybun> called other software
[23:27] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Ah, I see it. Good thing you had me do this, then, because that page needed to be corrected. The bottom instructions don't mention that, but higher up in the page they have it right. I'll make that fix as part of this. (:
[23:29] <ahoneybun> oh
[23:31] <littlegirl> Does the button say "Remove" or "Remove..." ?
[23:32]  * littlegirl likes to be accurate
[23:34] <ahoneybun> 1st
[23:35] <littlegirl> Thanks. I've made the executive decision to put the new release into a VM. (:
[23:36] <ahoneybun> oh
[23:49] <littlegirl> You know, I really think "Install now" ought to be changed to "Continue" when you're in the installation and you just got asked if you want to be guided and use the entire disk or partition manually, because when you are presented with that button you can see Time Zone and a few other things not yet done, so it could be disorienting to a new user who isn't sure if the OS will suddenly install without allowing further 
[23:49] <littlegirl> customization. My two cents. (:
[23:52] <ahoneybun> oh yea
[23:53] <littlegirl> I've noticed it many times before, but was never in the kubuntu-devel channel during an installation, so I never had a chance to mention it. Hopefully a developer will see the comment and rethink that button. (: