[00:43] <afu_> #django
[04:02] <Senjai> Does anyone know the keybinding to change desktops?
[04:09] <tsimpson> Senjai: Ctrl+F1 for Desktop 1, Ctrl-F2 for Desktop 2 etc. you can check in System Settings -> Shortcuts and Gestures -> Global Keyboard Shortcuts, select "kwin" from the drop-down list and search for "Desktop"
[04:10] <Senjai> tsimpson: Thank you sir :)
[04:10] <tsimpson> no problem
[07:08] <Mortvert> Oh hello
[08:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:53] <glock_> join #arutha.hopto.me
[09:35] <tux_> whatś up?
[09:35] <tux_> hey
[09:38] <lordievader> Hey tux_, how are you doing?
[10:45] <doubleduck> hi
[10:45] <doubleduck> new here so trying to figure out how irc works
[10:47] <_fractaline> hi doubleduck
[10:47] <lordievader> doubleduck: Welcome to the #kubuntu :D
[10:50] <doubleduck>        thanks _fractaline, lordievader
[11:30] <BluesKaj_> Howdy all
[12:14] <TSK> Greetings.  Hey, I was trying to install Kubuntu 13.04 (and 12.10 and 13.10, but they all exhibit the same issue) and discovered that there's apparently a problem with the installer for a lotta folk, where it hangs and won't continue past "Preparing to install".  Anyone else seen this issue?  I been Googling for two days now and finding few (non-working) solutions thus far.
[12:15] <lordievader> TSK: Do you perhaps know what it is trying to do?
[12:16] <TSK> Thus far I'm unable to find any reason for it's behaviour.  Nothing in the logs or the dmesg suggest any problem, yet it refuses to get past the "Preparing to install" stage into the part where you can choose partitions, etc.
[12:16] <TSK> It's quite frustrating, as I'm used to Linux at least giving error messages when there's trouble.
[12:17] <lordievader> TSK: Perhaps running ubuiqity from the commandline can give you a hint to what is wrong.
[12:17] <BluesKaj_> thtat sounds like the ubiqiuty bug , which hangs with certain types of HW recognition, TSK  , usually with amd64 cpu
[12:17] <TSK> Usually with an error message of some sort it's possible to diagnose or at least have a hint where to look.  THIS particular issue has been more than a bit bizarre in that respect.
[12:18] <BluesKaj_> TSK, are you running amd64 bit hardware ?
[12:18] <TSK> lordievader: No error messages when I do that.  No messages at all, actually.
[12:19] <lordievader> Hmm... that is annoying... It might indeed be the bug BluesKaj_ is talking about... :(
[12:19] <BluesKaj_> trhere won't be any error messages
[12:19] <TSK> BluesKaj_: According to /proc/cpuinfo it's "GenuineIntel"
[12:19] <TSK> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU
[12:20] <BluesKaj_> I had the same problem TSK , which kubuntu are your running atm ?
[12:20] <TSK> All nvidia chipset, too.  (Including all the control chips on the motherboard.)
[12:21] <BluesKaj_> TSK, yeah it's a difficult problem , nvidia all around here as well, except for the cpu
[12:21] <TSK> Right this instant I'm visiting IRC from the Kubuntu 13.10 LiveDVD,  but I have tried both Ubuntu and Kubuntu 12.10, 13.04, and 13.10 thus far and all show the same problem.  12.04 installed flawlessly (ever so long ago).
[12:22] <BluesKaj_> do you still have the 12.04 install ?
[12:23] <TSK> It's on a different hard drive which is currently unplugged (due to it being in the act of dying).  Figured the shiny new hard drive (exact match replacement) was a good excuse to try a newer Ubuntu variant.
[12:23] <BluesKaj_> have you formatted the new drive ?
[12:23] <TSK> Already rsync'd all my data off the old HD onto a (currently unplugged) external USB drive.
[12:23] <TSK> Aye.  Several times thus far.
[12:24] <TSK> Various filesystems, various partition schemes (including no partitions, unused space).
[12:24] <TSK> Thus far nothing I've tried from any messageboard thread anywhere has gotten Ubiquity past that point.
[12:25] <BluesKaj_> recommend a / and a /home and swap fot the new drive, ext4
[12:25] <TSK> Starting to look like mebbe I might be forced to install Kubuntu 12.04 and then upgrade (TWICE) to get to 13.04 (or THRICE if I want to test 13.10 pre-release).
[12:26] <TSK> I usually mount /home from a seperate drive entirely.  Makes it easier to upgrade if that drive fills due to user data.
[12:27] <TSK> Also easier to back up the most important bit.  That user data... ;)
[12:29] <BluesKaj_> TSK, yeah ,unfortunately "the powers that be" dropped the alternat install/test-based
[12:29] <TSK> Well, I'm happy/sad to discover that I'm not the only person having this issue.  Wish there was some way I could help diagnose it tho, so it could be fixed once and for all.
[12:29] <TSK> Aye.  I read that somewhere.  :(
[12:29] <TSK> What were they thinking?
[12:30] <TSK> *alternate install/text-based
[12:31] <BluesKaj_> TSK, I had all kinds of trouble with 13.04 livecd installer , so i installed 12.10 and upgrade from there , but your problem seems more serious
[12:31] <TSK> I'm seeing a disturbing trend lately to try and brutally and viciously murder anything that even remotely looks like a shell or "dos prompt".
[12:32] <TSK> Thankfully I don't think it's possible to ever completely remove the shell from Linux.  I'd be lost if they ever did.  It's still far too useful for far too many things.
[12:33] <BluesKaj_> think it's the ease of use enterprise mentality taking over at canonical
[12:34] <TSK> Not just canonical, sadly.  It appears to be the overall opinion of "the masses" that the commandline is a "relic of the past" and needs to be destroyed for the good of all.
[12:35] <TSK> I see more and more discussion threads started these days about that very topic and full-on flamewars started between those who accept it as fact, and those who KNOW it for FUD.
[12:35] <TSK> I dunno why the shell has to die to please the people who fear it.  Why can't they just stay away from it if it terrifies them that much?
[12:36] <BluesKaj_> don't think the command line is going anywhere in the foreseeable future .. it's here to stay for devs and the rest of us who wish to use it .
[12:38] <TSK> Aye.  I'm sure it's here to stay, really.  Just a bit strange that there's a growing crowd of folk clamoring for it's destruction when it's not even relevant to them.
[12:38] <BluesKaj_> let the cli-phobes fool with their guis .
[12:39] <TSK> And then to see text based "alternate installers" gettin' kicked to the curb leads to a bit of concern (at least with regards to Ubuntu and Canonical).
[12:41] <TSK> I'm all for makin' stuff easier, sure, but right now an alternate installer would sure be easier than what I'm currently tryin' to AVOID doin'.  (Upgrading unnecessarily twice in a row or even thrice.)
[12:41] <TSK> I guess I have no choice tho.
[12:41]  * TSK goes to download Kubuntu 12.04 again.
[12:43] <BluesKaj_> yeah TSK , can't think of of an alternative (pun inteneded)
[12:43] <TSK> Oooo, hmmm...  I suppose I could try Mint.
[12:44] <TSK> (Just read in one of the threads I'm still researching that it worked out nicely for someone else to just go with KDE Mint.)
[12:44] <TSK> Only problem with that tho is I believe if I wanted to "downgrade" to pure Ubuntu, that's not an easy task.
[12:44] <BluesKaj_> well, that's your call
[12:45]  * yofel_ notes that the alternate wasn't dropped because nobody was using it or because it is evil, it was killed because there was not enough manpower willing to properly QA it
[12:45] <TSK> Basically, it seems as if the choice is easy now, hard later, or hard now, maybe easy later?
[12:45] <yofel_> ubuntu-server alternate + kubuntu-desktop task is an easy enough workaround
[12:45] <TSK> yofel_: OOoo!  GOOD IDEA!
[12:46]  * TSK wonders why he didn't think of that.
[12:46] <yofel_> it's easy to miss the obvious :P
[12:46] <BluesKaj_> me included ...good suggestion yofel_
[12:46] <TSK> Gosh, I bet that works, too.
[12:47] <BluesKaj_> yofel_, kubuntu-desktop task ?
[12:47] <TSK> All these complicated messageboard threads and not ONE person suggested that.
[12:48] <TSK> BluesKaj_: kde-desktop I think (metapackage)
[12:48] <BluesKaj_> not alot of users even in linux think of installing server editions
[12:48] <yofel_> BluesKaj_: at some point tasksel asks you what package sets you want to intall. Kubuntu Desktop should be one of the choices
[12:49] <yofel_> TSK: meta package would be kubuntu-desktop
[12:49] <BluesKaj_> right , tasksel ..yeah , now i recall ..I did try ubuntu server with kde-desktop a couple of years back
[12:51] <BluesKaj_> thought I was gonna setup a small family webserver, but I was in over my head with trying to build a website ...none of the "easydo" sites like godaddy appealed to me.
[12:52] <TSK> There we go.  Got the iso burning now.  Thanks a ton for a FANTASTIC idea.  Should also result in a slightly cleaner system, too.  :)
[12:52] <TSK> BluesKaj_: Static website?
[12:52] <TSK> (Non-dynamic content?)
[12:53] <BluesKaj_> yeah. my Isp charges a minimal fee for a static IP
[12:54] <TSK> http://ringce.com/hyde
[12:54] <TSK> BluesKaj_: Actually, I meant the content itself.  Static content on yer website, or were you planning to have a messageboard and all that fancy dynamic stuff?
[12:54] <BluesKaj_> but l;ike most families , the kids all use email and facebook for their communication , some texting
[12:56] <TSK> If you was goin' for static content, you can use a site generator for that bit.  If you wanted messaging and comments and stuff that starts to get a bit more complex (tho you could always embed something javascripty via cut'n'paste into the static site to handle comments, etc).
[12:56] <BluesKaj_> no , i didn't get that far TSK  ..as soon as I saw what was required for the kind of site I wanted , it just fizzled
[12:58] <TSK> Another option would be to just install one of the ready-made open source content management systems (CMS) and use that, but if you did, be sure to stay on top of updates, as dynamic sites tend to open up avenues of attack for "script kiddiez".
[12:58]  * TSK is a retired web designer.
[12:58] <BluesKaj_> went back kubuntu support
[12:58] <BluesKaj_> to
[12:59]  * BluesKaj_ is just plain retired
[13:00] <TSK> http://www.htmldog.com/ is one good site (among many many) if you ever get the urge to play with creating yourself a custom website from scratch.  ;)
[13:01] <monkeyjuice> morning
[13:01] <TSK> Mornin'
[13:01] <TSK> Someone else livin' on my half of the planet. Neato.  ;)
[13:02] <monkeyjuice> were ya at there TSK
[13:02] <TSK> Utah, USA here.
[13:02] <BluesKaj_> TSK, TBH , nobody in the family seemed very enthusiastic about a family website , except me :)
[13:02] <TSK> Early mornin'-ish here still.  :)
[13:02] <monkeyjuice> michigan here
[13:02] <BluesKaj_> 'Morning monkeyjuice,
[13:02] <TSK> (Been up a few hours now meself.)  :)
[13:02] <monkeyjuice> howdee there BluesKaj_ nice weather we have
[13:03] <BluesKaj_> yup , beauty day here
[13:03] <TSK> BluesKaj_: Yar, I was gonna do a similar thing for my last livin' family-folk, but they'd all rather be advertising fodder for Facebook and make that Zuckerberg scumbag rich(er).
[13:03] <BluesKaj_> Ontario here
[13:04] <TSK> Erg!  Jealousy!
[13:04]  * TSK wanna be a Canadian, eh?
[13:04] <TSK> Trade ya places!  ;)
[13:04] <monkeyjuice> why? lol
[13:04] <BluesKaj_> maybe in winter :)
[13:04] <TSK> Oh, you'd LOVE Winter in Utah, I assure you.  ;)
[13:05]  * TSK grew up in Northern Montana.
[13:05] <TSK> Winter here in Utah is NOTHIN'.  I can go out in a teeshirt.  :)
[13:05] <monkeyjuice> no snow, no ice , no
[13:06] <BluesKaj_> I used to absolutely used to love winter , but now not so much
[13:06] <TSK> Oh, we get snow.  We get ice, too.  But it's never TRULY cold here.  Not like mid-winter in Montana.  :)
[13:07] <TSK> Utahn's whine about the brutal cold here.  I suspect they'd all DIE in a REAL Winter.  :)
[13:07] <TSK> Nice.   I like Aethysius' quit message.
[13:08] <BluesKaj_> yeah too bad he''l probly have to dump it
[13:08] <TSK> Oh?  Whyzzat?  They don't like big long quit messages here?
[13:08] <BluesKaj_> finally found a vpn client that works on kde , written for ubuntu-desktop , but it works here
[13:09] <TSK> Nice.  KVPN no workie?
[13:09] <monkeyjuice> #kubuntu-offtopic maybe?
[13:09] <TSK> Or Network Manager?
[13:10] <BluesKaj_> TSK, without NM
[13:10] <TSK> BluesKaj_: Just wondering about Network Manager, because I know (at least on Kubuntu) it has VPN support.
[13:11] <BluesKaj_> yes it does , but I could never get it work anyway
[13:11] <TSK> BluesKaj_: On the "Manage Connections" window you can get at.
[13:12] <TSK> Ah, I see.  I've only ever tried it with PPTP VPN and it worked fine for me with that, but there seems to be more than a few other options it claims to support.
[13:12] <TSK> All of which I've never yet tried.
[13:13] <BluesKaj_> I dumpewd NM a long time ago and went with the network/interfaces and resolv.conf (now aka: /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base)
[13:14] <TSK> Ah, right on.  Hardcoded network config.  Certainly much more reliable.
[13:15] <BluesKaj_> TSK, my knowlege of VPN back then was probly why I couldn't make it work , but I've doing some research in the last while and perhaps NM might be to my benefit again
[13:16] <TSK> Well, where Network Manager is useful for ME is that I have a wireless card in my machine (and on my Kubuntu powered netbook as well) and it's rather convenient for that purpose.
[13:17] <TSK> BTW, for any of y'all who've never tried it, Kubuntu is quite happy on Acer Aspire One netbooks.  Mine's been runnin' great usin' Kubuntu from day one (when I INSTANTLY Wiped Win7 Home from it the minute I got it home).  ;)
[13:18] <BluesKaj_> yeah , my old laptop wifi worked from the get go with NM
[13:18] <TSK> All the features work as expected, including power management, sleep, wifi, brighness, volume, etc, etc.
[13:18] <TSK> Kubuntu + Netbook = Mobile Bliss
[13:19] <BluesKaj_> acver seems more linux friendlky harware-wise than alot of others
[13:19] <BluesKaj_> err acer
[13:20]  * BluesKaj_ goes for another coffee
[13:20] <TSK> BluesKaj_: Aye.  I think they was the ones what had a deal goin' with Canonical a while back (early in the netbook days).
[13:20] <TSK> MmmCoffee ~ Me too!
[13:20]  * TSK runs to the brewmaster.
[13:23] <TSK> So, assumedly, kubuntu-desktop gets not JUST the KDE desktop, but all the extra little Kubuntu bits as well, aye?
[13:24]  * TSK is ready to reboot and try out yofel_'s suggestion.
[13:26] <BluesKaj_> TSK, yeah , that's probly your best bet ..I'm going try to remember that suggestion
[13:27] <TSK> I have a sneaking suspicion it's gonna work out, too...  I'll be back later to confirm if it works or not.  :)
[13:27] <TSK> Y'all folk have fun.  Be back in a bit with any luck...  ;)
[14:28] <TSK> Good news.  His suggestion worked flawlessly.
[14:29] <TSK> A bit of a roundabout way to get Kubuntu 13.04 installed, but for those of us having the Ubiquity installer bug, it's a totally viable workaround solution for the time being...  ;)
[14:30] <TSK> Beats the heck outta having to upgrade from 12.04 (twice).  :)
[14:31] <TSK> yofel_: Thank you a ton for saving me hours more dinking around with non-working solutions.  :)
[14:32] <seele> anyone have about 30 minutes for an interview about your kde notifications? it will earn a $5 donation to the kde e.v. for your participation.
[14:32] <BluesKaj> tsk reat , glad to hear there's an alternative to the alternate :)
[14:32] <BluesKaj> great
[14:32] <TSK> BluesKaj: Oh, aye.  It worked flawlessly.
[14:33] <TSK> Nice clean text-based installer, ran thru without a hitch, installed only the minimum stuff I needed to get rolling, and then tasksel kubuntu-desktop.  Boom.  Kubuntu 13.04
[14:34] <TSK> Now I have a really CLEAN base to build upon, too.  LOVE that bit.  :)
[14:35] <TSK> seele: What were y'all interested in knowing about our KDE notifications?
[14:38] <seele> TSK: i'm doing a study of how people use them and their general experience
[14:39] <seele> i interviewed a bunch of people last week, and i'm continuing that
[14:39] <seele> if you have 30 minutes, it would be great feedback for the project
[14:39] <TSK> And will my $5 donation to KDE go toward makin' them better?  ;)
[14:39] <seele> TSK: i hope so :)
[14:39] <TSK> Heheheh...  Ya, I suppose I can spare a half hour to help make KDE better.  :)
[14:39] <seele> TSK: donations to the KDE e.v. tend to support developer sprints and travel to conferences
[14:39] <seele> TSK: great!
[14:40] <TSK> Bah.  I wanna travel to conferences...  ;)
[15:14] <cahir> Since there is a new version of Kubuntu i've question. I am in Muon Update Manager. Can i install it by simply clicking upgrade?
[15:31] <TSK> cahir: You mean can you install the new Kubuntu from Muon Update Manager?  If it's offering you the option, then yes you can.  If it isn't, then you can easily enough configure it to, and then yes you can.  ;)
[15:32] <TSK> cahir: A friend of mine recently updated his laptop to the latest Kubuntu because Muon offered it to him and he clicked "Upgrade" or "Install" or whatever option it gives there.
[15:39] <TSK> Well, folk...  Thanky, thanky.  MUCH appreciate the super useful suggestion to start from a Ubuntu server alternate installer and then pile kubuntu-desktop on top of that to get around the Ubiquity bug.  I'm try to spread that suggestion around among the forum threads where I found no useful suggestions thus far.  ;)
[15:40] <TSK> Y'all have fun.  I'ma go install me all my usual software now.  :)
[17:03] <linuxCool> what is the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu? only GUI?
[17:06] <linuxCool> helllooo
[17:07] <BluesKaj> desktops are different as are, linuxCooloptions and configutrations and the desktop isn't just GUI , linuxCool
[17:08] <BluesKaj> linuxcooloprions :)
[17:08] <linuxCool> BluesKaj: i ask becouse i chagne gnome unity with kde and the kde is super cool :)
[17:09] <linuxCool> BluesKaj: but everything else is the same
[17:09] <BluesKaj> linuxCool, ok install kubuntu-desktop if you haven't already
[17:10] <BluesKaj> no it's not the same
[17:11] <linuxCool> BluesKaj:  tell some differences if you like
[17:11] <BluesKaj> the the ubuntu-core and default kernel ., lots of other stuff is different as well
[17:11] <linuxCool> BluesKaj: aaaa ok :)
[17:12] <BluesKaj> err ubuntu-core and default kernels are the same '
[17:12] <linuxCool> BluesKaj: I was on my gnome installed ... KDE and everything works great
[17:13] <linuxCool> BluesKaj: but now i download kubuntu-desktop :)
[17:13] <BluesKaj> kubuntu isn't supported by canonical , it's now supported by Blue Systems
[17:17] <linuxCool> BluesKaj: aham :) but kde is more better than unity (gnome) :)
[17:17] <linuxCool> BluesKaj: or wrong
[17:17] <DarthFrog> linuxCool:  That's a matter of opinion, of course.  One I happen to share but there are plenty of folks who think Unity is better.
[17:19] <linuxCool> Darkwing: maybe you are right :)
[17:20] <linuxCool> DarthFrog: but it seems to me that kde is lighter than gnome
[17:21] <DarthFrog> I don't know about that.  I do know that KDE SC is more configurable.
[17:22] <linuxCool> DarthFrog: just because it's slightly
[17:23] <BluesKaj> yeah linuxCool desktops are a matter of taste mostly ..kde is more windows user friendly or more familair looking at least
[17:24] <linuxCool> BluesKaj: exactly :)
[17:27] <linuxCool> BluesKaj: I hate Windows and I wonder how can there where people use to use it when there are Kde
[17:28] <DarthFrog> This is straying off-topic and the discussion should be moved to #kubuntu-offtopic.
[17:30] <BluesKaj> i don't hate windows , i still use to keep myself informed about what 89% of pc users are doing , and besides all my friends use windows or mac atm
[17:31] <BluesKaj> but kubuntu is my preference , that's all
[17:31] <linuxCool> BluesKaj: this is good :)
[17:31] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, the OT cops don't seem to be around today
[17:32] <DarthFrog> BluesKaj:  It's Sunday.  Perhaps they're all Flyers fans and are mourning. :-)
[17:33] <BluesKaj> well penguins fans at least :)
[17:34] <DarthFrog> Yeah, like you said. :-)
[17:36] <DarthFrog> It's the lack of sleep.
[17:36] <BluesKaj> yup, and most canucks could care less anyway :)
[17:37] <DarthFrog> Like me. :-)
[17:41] <davide__> pitzorno
[17:51] <[Relic]> how does one get dolphin to understand a camera is attached to a USB port so that one can access it?
[17:51] <[Relic]> it does show in lsusb
[18:20] <lordievader> Good evening.
[19:01] <newbie> hello
[19:02] <Guest53149> Where on the boot command can I put nolapic
[19:02] <Guest53149> I need the nolapic in order to boot
[19:04] <Guest53149> I know I just need put that in the Kubuntu Grub boot options, but I don't know on which line
[19:04] <OerHeks> Guest53149, hold shift when booting, then you enter grub menu, press 'e' to edit the line and add/replace nolapic
[19:04] <Guest53149> i know, but on which line
[19:05] <OerHeks> the line with the highest kernel number
[19:05] <Guest53149> I'll try that, thanks
[19:05] <OerHeks> have fun
[19:05] <Guest53149> Oh and Can I get rid of the netbook interface?
[19:06] <Guest53149> the one with huge icons?
[19:06] <Guest53149> I want the desktop interface of KDE4
[19:06] <OerHeks> interface on the left side?
[19:06] <OerHeks> Kubuntu has a proper panel, ajustable in height AFAIK
[19:06] <Guest53149> No, the interface with huge icons (search bar and all that
[19:07] <Guest53149> on normal desktop the interface is like windows (with the 'start' bar below and no huge icons)
[19:08] <Guest53149> but on the netbook the interface is with the bar on top, huge clickable icons
[19:09] <Guest53149> like Graphics, Office, which then reveals the apps
[19:09] <Guest53149> when clicked on those groups
[19:09] <OerHeks> oh, that is new to me, i use the standard kde desktop
[19:10] <Guest53149> the interface is selected automativally when running on a netbook from USB (no DVD/CD drive)
[19:10] <Guest53149> which I find irritating
[19:11] <Guest53149> automatically
[19:12] <Guest53149> Who decided that interface would be good?
[19:13] <Guest53149> I wish the Kubuntu wasn't so 'automatic'
[19:14] <Guest53149> I'll try search some more on this issue
[19:14] <Guest53149> Thanks for the help
[19:14] <OerHeks> maybe there is an optuon when you logout to change to regular kde?
[19:14] <OerHeks> c/option
[19:14] <Guest53149> I'll try that
[19:14] <Guest53149> Thank you
[19:14] <OerHeks> yw
[19:20] <Guest53149> no the interface is still there :-(
[19:21] <Guest53149> but I have been able to boot
[19:28] <Guest53149> Okay I've found it
[19:28] <Guest53149> It was in the plasma options
[19:29] <Guest53149> Thank you so much OerHerks
[19:29] <Guest53149> :-)
[19:56] <PhantomHelix> hey guys, need some help is there a Mac specific image for Kubuntu like there is for ubuntu?  like this one? http://releases.ubuntu.com/raring/ubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64+mac.iso
[19:59] <ahoneybun> PhantomHelix: let me check
[19:59] <PhantomHelix> ok thanks
[19:59] <OerHeks> sure, LTS > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[19:59] <OerHeks> look for the PPC iso
[19:59] <ahoneybun> PhantomHelix: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/13.04/release/
[19:59] <PhantomHelix> im looking for 13.04 thought and it is an intell mac not PPC
[20:00] <OerHeks> & the latest 13.04 >> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/13.04/release/
[20:00] <ahoneybun> yea I got it ;)
[20:00] <OerHeks> ow, sorry
[20:00] <ahoneybun> OerHeks: np :)
[20:01] <PhantomHelix> yeah there doesnt seem to be a special Mac one, bummer
[20:01] <PhantomHelix> except for the PPC one
[20:02] <Guest53149> The MACs are normal computers with different bios right?
[20:03] <Guest53149> That's why they aren't compatible
[20:04] <PhantomHelix> no thats not it Guest53149, this image http://releases.ubuntu.com/raring/ubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64+mac.iso id formated a little differently so it can mount in OS X
[20:04] <PhantomHelix> i was looking for the same deal for kubuntu but i guess it dont exist
[20:04] <Guest53149> Oh, OK
[20:05] <OerHeks> funny, 13.10 sausy has it > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[20:06] <OerHeks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/saucy-desktop-amd64+mac.iso
[20:06] <PhantomHelix> oh nice lol
[20:06] <PhantomHelix> wonder if that was just a derp hahaha i kid i kid
[20:08] <pac4me> hello
[20:08]  * PhantomHelix hello there
[20:09] <pac4me> bye bye
[20:09] <PhantomHelix> uh.............
[20:10] <ahoneybun> PhantomHelix: weird I know
[20:12] <PhantomHelix> hmm, anyway, thanks for the help guys, its bed time for me, gn
[21:07] <Guest53149> well thanks again guys. Goodbye ;-)
[21:18] <ospi3> |kir
[21:18] <ospi3> |kira: are you there?
[21:22] <ospi3> |kira: came to check for Thunderbird Backup Exploder
[21:23] <paul_reiser> I am having trouble connecting my HDMI to my TV. If I try to connect HDMI through my receiver, there is no feed. However, if I run it straight from my video card, it works fine. Thoughts?
[21:24] <ahoneybun> receiver?
[21:25] <BluesKaj> paul_reiser,are you using hdmi monitor out on the receiver to feed the tv?
[21:25] <paul_reiser> yes
[21:29] <BluesKaj> paul_reiser, my setup is different , since I don't hdmi inputs or outputs on my receiver , i feed the hdmi directly to the tv and the pcm/spdif audio out to the digital inputs on the receiver
[21:31] <BluesKaj> you could loop the audio back to the receiver from the tv digital out instead , paul_reiser
[21:31] <ospi3> BluesKaj: hi, any news of |kira and Thunderbird Backup Exploder?
[21:31] <paul_reiser> Thats worth a try
[21:31] <paul_reiser> thanks
[21:32] <BluesKaj> both work here , Ive treis bothg setups
[21:32] <BluesKaj> paul_reiser,^
[21:32] <BluesKaj> tried
[21:33] <BluesKaj> ospi3, that's first ive heard of Thunderbird Backup Exploder
[21:33] <paul_reiser> well i recently switched from a desktop with windows 7 to a desktop with kubuntu 13.04
[21:33] <paul_reiser> and my old setup worked fine with the same video card
[21:33] <ospi3> BluesKaj: you were there with us yesterday, dont you remember?
[21:34] <ospi3> BluesKaj: you said kira is a lurker...
[21:35] <BluesKaj> eshlox, I may have been logged in , but I wasn't around for a lot of the time
[21:35] <BluesKaj> ospi3,^
[21:35] <BluesKaj> I don't see anything about it on google
[21:41] <|kira> ospi3: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/importexporttools/ I was going to make something a lot like this standalone, but this does what I need, probably good for you too
[21:46] <lorddelta> Hi, are there problems with the ppas? I was hoping to cross reference my info someone else; I'm having lots of crashes, and I can't submit the bug reports because drkonqi is crashing, and it doesn't seem its in my repositories...
[21:46] <lorddelta> so I can't purge it and re-install
[21:47] <ahoneybun> lorddelta: you can purge a ppa and then do a update and upgrade
[21:47] <lorddelta> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa precise main is failing on update
[21:47] <lorddelta> ahoneybun: what do you mean?
[21:47] <lorddelta> Do I just remove the line from sources.list, update, and then do-over again?
[21:48] <ahoneybun> that has no precise builds
[21:48] <ahoneybun> you need to remove that ppa and add the kubuntu-backports ppa
[21:48] <lorddelta> ahoneybun: but they exist (somewhere)?
[21:48] <lorddelta> ah
[21:49] <ahoneybun> then update and upgrade
[21:49] <lorddelta> Sorry, its not like there's a manual anywhere stating this sort of stuff.
[21:49] <ahoneybun> lorddelta: np that's why there is this irc channel :)
[21:49] <ahoneybun> for support
[21:51] <lorddelta> That's the sort of thing I wish we had notifications for; like you know, a system mail that we could read :)
[21:51] <lorddelta> hmmm
[21:51] <lorddelta> 'W: Failed to fetch https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/dists/kubuntu-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages  The requested URL returned error: 404'
[21:52] <lorddelta> what's the second part of the ppa?
[21:52] <lorddelta> I just have this line: 'deb https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa kubuntu-backports main'
[21:52] <ahoneybun> open up muon software center
[21:53] <ahoneybun> go to settings and then software sources
[21:53] <ahoneybun> and remove the ppa kubuntu-ppa
[21:54] <ahoneybun> and add the kubuntu-backports ppa
[21:54] <ahoneybun> look in the other software tab
[21:54] <ahoneybun> for the ppa's
[21:54] <ospi3> |kira: yes this should be it i think: "export of all messages in single files (eml or html or plain text format or CSV), with attachments and an index"
[21:56] <ahoneybun> how are you doing there lorddelta?
[21:56] <lorddelta> ...hmm...I didn't know about muon, but it doesn't seem to work after I type in the password for software sources...
[21:57] <lorddelta> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports <-- Is that the right deb perhaps?
[21:57] <lorddelta> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backport
[21:57] <BluesKaj> ahoneybun, I'm peeved at the lack of intgration between the software sources in muon and the /etc/apt/sources.list..updating after making changes in the sources list aren't reflected the sources listed in muon
[21:58] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: even after a sudo apt-get update before starting Muon?
[21:58] <BluesKaj> yesd
[21:58] <ahoneybun> lorddelta: weird
[21:58] <lorddelta> 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backport
[21:58] <lorddelta> Cannot access PPA (https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backport) to get PPA information, please check your internet connection.'
[21:58] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:58] <ahoneybun> no no
[21:58] <ahoneybun> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-backports
[21:59] <ahoneybun> sorry
[21:59] <BluesKaj> one has to manually enable the sources in muon , altho they are listed in muon when added in the sources.list
[21:59] <lorddelta> still complains about my internet connection
[21:59] <lorddelta> >_>
[22:00] <lorddelta> which I'm clearly using
[22:00] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: weird
[22:00] <BluesKaj> after runing the update
[22:00] <BluesKaj> yeah
[22:00] <lorddelta> Hmm I'm gonna revert to adding stuff straight to the sources.list and seeing what works...
[22:01] <ahoneybun> lorddelta: lets start from just the software that came with the release
[22:01] <ahoneybun> your on 12.04 right?
[22:01] <lorddelta> Yup
[22:01] <ahoneybun> ok
[22:01] <ahoneybun> it is /kubuntu-ppa/backports
[22:02] <ahoneybun> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[22:02] <lorddelta> Btw I added
[22:02] <lorddelta> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu precise main to my sources.list, ran an update, apparently their GPA key has changed...
[22:02] <lorddelta> GPG
[22:02] <ospi3> |kira: thank you
[22:03] <lorddelta> ...hmm the ppa worked this time :D
[22:03] <lorddelta> not sure why but hey!
[22:03] <ahoneybun> sweet
[22:03] <ahoneybun> I would like to know why though
[22:03] <lorddelta> maybe its what BluesKaj was talking about?
[22:03] <ahoneybun> maybe
[22:04] <ahoneybun> lets remove the ppas other then the backport one
[22:04] <ahoneybun> and then so a sudo apt-get update and upgrade
[22:04] <lorddelta> I've only got these ppas with "kubuntu in them"
[22:04] <lorddelta> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu precise main
[22:04] <lorddelta> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu precise main
[22:04] <lorddelta> And the update was successfull!
[22:05] <lorddelta> O.o
[22:05] <lorddelta> And there are the updates
[22:05] <lorddelta> 107 of them lol
[22:05] <lorddelta> heh konq is one of them, good :)
[22:05] <ahoneybun> good
[22:06] <ahoneybun> ok so you are good?
[22:06] <lorddelta> I should be! I'll stick around if drkonqi keeps acting up but I suspect this will fix lots of things
[22:06] <ahoneybun> ok great :)
[22:06] <lorddelta> Thanks!
[22:06] <ahoneybun> np!
[22:08] <BluesKaj> lorddelta, yes updating upgrading and even dist-upgrading , every week or 2 can help keep packages stable , also an autoremove and autoclean is also good practice mevery few weeks
[22:11] <BluesKaj> ok , I'm off ...enough for one day
[22:11] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: see ya!
[22:14] <lorddelta> BluesKaj: I know, I try, I'd been getting a message about bad updates for a bit, I just didn't realize it was the kubuntu repository that had failed. Hence all the updates.