[08:43] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:48] <MMlosh> Hello... trivial question: why am I seeing no packages at  http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/ ?   Are they hidden, or just not built yet?
[11:30] <BluesKaj_> Howdy all
[11:32] <penguin42> Hey BK
[11:33] <BluesKaj_> hi penguin42
[11:34] <BluesKaj_> finally found a decent vpn client and tutorial for kde -linux
[11:34] <penguin42> which VPN type?
[11:46] <BluesKaj_> penguin42, L2TP/IPSec
[11:47] <penguin42> yeuch
[11:47] <BluesKaj_> and I don't subscribe to commercial VPN service
[11:48] <penguin42> ipsec is always a pita - the more modern openssl based ones are so much easier
[11:50] <BluesKaj_> well this is a special service for ppl behind gov't filtered networks , like china and iran  http://www.vpngate.net/en/
[11:51] <BluesKaj_> based in japan , but there areservers all over the world
[11:51] <BluesKaj_> a lot of them won't connect thru ipsec though
[11:52] <penguin42> it does seem a bit of an odd choice; ipsec was popular 10 years ago - but it was always hard
[11:52] <BluesKaj_> I see
[11:52] <penguin42> openssl based stuff is just easy and works through anything
[11:53] <BluesKaj_> ok what other names are openssl known as?
[11:54] <BluesKaj_> I notice the servers might use a different name for the same service
[11:54] <penguin42> sorry, I should say ssl based vpns (openssl being one implementation of ssl)
[11:54] <penguin42> so openvpn is a common one
[11:54] <BluesKaj_> openvpn wouldn't work for me
[11:55] <penguin42> ah, pity
[12:01] <BluesKaj_> wel ,maybe my settings were wrong but there doesn't seem to be a comprehensive tutorial for kde users
[12:03] <penguin42> hmm yes I wonder is the KDE vpn stuff running on NM or wicd
[12:04] <BluesKaj_> I've mostly lost touch with ubuntu-desktop and I'd sooner run W7 in a VB as a guest and run the vpn client from there , which i was doing until I found one written for ubuntu-desktops , but works in kde
[12:05] <BluesKaj_> I don't use NM
[12:06] <penguin42> ah, on the KDE network GUI there is a VPN section offering an Add button for pretty much every VPN I can think of
[12:06] <penguin42> (except the commerical stuff I have to use at work)
[12:10] <BluesKaj_> and can one configure NM to work with vpn , because I recall it was hard to configure
[12:33] <penguin42> well isn't what the KDE and gnome GUIs are doing - the GUI looks nice enough for every type of VPN
[12:42] <BluesKaj_> alternate installs are supposed to be available for 13.10?
[13:07] <alankila> IPsec wouldn't *have* to be such a PITA but in practice it always is
[13:08] <alankila> I guess enterprise happened to it and then everything became ridiculously complicated
[13:10] <alankila> I've been wondering if it would be possible to do ipsec while doing nothing of that key exchange stuff
[13:10] <alankila> just set up a fixed key, tell kernel about it with setkey, and forget everything else
[13:11] <alankila> sure it would *work*, but would it be secure?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> alankila, interesting , I'm considering reinstalling NM , now that I've learned a few things about VPN
[13:38] <penguin42> alankila: Well I think the idea is to rekey regularly so that you never get a chance to break it even with a lot of data transfer
[14:07] <alankila> penguin42: yes... but I am wondering what kind of things are revealed over time
[18:20] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:35] <FernandoMiguel> bRoas
[23:41] <Daekdroom> !schedule