=== Guest16725 is now known as jimerickson === viv`d is now known as vivid === jayne| is now known as jayne === lordieva1er is now known as lordievader [08:43] Good morning. [09:48] Hello... trivial question: why am I seeing no packages at http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/ ? Are they hidden, or just not built yet? [11:30] Howdy all [11:32] Hey BK [11:33] hi penguin42 [11:34] finally found a decent vpn client and tutorial for kde -linux [11:34] which VPN type? [11:46] penguin42, L2TP/IPSec [11:47] yeuch [11:47] and I don't subscribe to commercial VPN service [11:48] ipsec is always a pita - the more modern openssl based ones are so much easier [11:50] well this is a special service for ppl behind gov't filtered networks , like china and iran http://www.vpngate.net/en/ [11:51] based in japan , but there areservers all over the world [11:51] a lot of them won't connect thru ipsec though [11:52] it does seem a bit of an odd choice; ipsec was popular 10 years ago - but it was always hard [11:52] I see [11:52] openssl based stuff is just easy and works through anything [11:53] ok what other names are openssl known as? [11:54] I notice the servers might use a different name for the same service [11:54] sorry, I should say ssl based vpns (openssl being one implementation of ssl) [11:54] so openvpn is a common one [11:54] openvpn wouldn't work for me [11:55] ah, pity [12:01] wel ,maybe my settings were wrong but there doesn't seem to be a comprehensive tutorial for kde users [12:03] hmm yes I wonder is the KDE vpn stuff running on NM or wicd [12:04] I've mostly lost touch with ubuntu-desktop and I'd sooner run W7 in a VB as a guest and run the vpn client from there , which i was doing until I found one written for ubuntu-desktops , but works in kde [12:05] I don't use NM [12:06] ah, on the KDE network GUI there is a VPN section offering an Add button for pretty much every VPN I can think of [12:06] (except the commerical stuff I have to use at work) [12:10] and can one configure NM to work with vpn , because I recall it was hard to configure [12:33] well isn't what the KDE and gnome GUIs are doing - the GUI looks nice enough for every type of VPN [12:42] alternate installs are supposed to be available for 13.10? [13:07] IPsec wouldn't *have* to be such a PITA but in practice it always is [13:08] I guess enterprise happened to it and then everything became ridiculously complicated [13:10] I've been wondering if it would be possible to do ipsec while doing nothing of that key exchange stuff [13:10] just set up a fixed key, tell kernel about it with setkey, and forget everything else [13:11] sure it would *work*, but would it be secure? === BluesKaj_ is now known as BluesKaj [13:34] alankila, interesting , I'm considering reinstalling NM , now that I've learned a few things about VPN [13:38] alankila: Well I think the idea is to rekey regularly so that you never get a chance to break it even with a lot of data transfer [14:07] penguin42: yes... but I am wondering what kind of things are revealed over time [18:20] Good evening. [18:35] bRoas === yofel_ is now known as yofel [23:41] !schedule [23:41] Saucy Salamander (13.10) release milestones can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule