| ginggs | hi there, anyone available to nominate two bugs for particular ubuntu releases for me please? | 13:11 |
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| penguin42 | which bugs | 13:17 |
| ginggs | penguin42: I'd like precise and quantal tasks for LP: #1187534 and p,q and r tasks for LP: #1187507 please | 13:23 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1187534 in openmotif (Ubuntu) "motif-clients: unowned files after purge (policy 6.8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1187534 | 13:23 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1187507 in openmotif (Ubuntu) "(open)motif should properly transition from libmotif3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1187507 | 13:23 |
| penguin42 | ginggs: OK, give me a sec | 13:24 |
| penguin42 | heck, openmotif - that's a rareity :-) | 13:24 |
| penguin42 | hang on , I rarely do this | 13:27 |
| ginggs | I used to think openmotif was a rarity, but was shocked when I saw the number of libmotif3 vs libmotif4 installations in PopCon. | 13:28 |
| ginggs | Hence this SRU request. | 13:28 |
| penguin42 | yeh there are a lot of old packages that depend on it, and people who use it to work with things they've successfully had it working with for the last 20 years | 13:29 |
| ginggs | penguin42: I'm not clear on the difference between nomindating for a release and creating a task for release | 13:33 |
| penguin42 | ginggs: Yeh that's what's also confusing me - I think it's that us BugControl's can do a nominate, but then another level is needed to accept that | 13:35 |
| ginggs | hmm, let me try and find out who can create tasks then | 13:36 |
| penguin42 | ginggs: Your transitioning from libmotif3 to libmotif4 - do you really want to automatically transform from 3 to 4 is it really totally compatible | 13:36 |
| ginggs | penguin42: according to the openmotif 2.3.3 release notes, yes, see LP: #818220 | 13:38 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 818220 in openmotif (Ubuntu Precise) "libmotif4 should provide libmotif3 symlinks (libXm.so.3, etc.)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/818220 | 13:38 |
| penguin42 | wth did they bump the library version then if it's binary compatible? | 13:39 |
| ginggs | Who knows :) | 13:40 |
| ginggs | penguin42: I read a couple of pages, it looks like BugSquad can create tasks for a release, not sure about BugControl | 13:47 |
| penguin42 | which page? | 13:50 |
| penguin42 | ginggs: I'm tempted to say you need a better test case | 14:19 |
| ginggs | penguin42: i take it you mean better than just making sure libmotif3 upgrades cleanly to libmotif4? | 14:22 |
| penguin42 | yeh, I mean making sure stuff that was using the libmotif3 doesn't break | 14:23 |
| ginggs | penguin42: well, there's nothing remaining in the archive that depends on libmotif3, that's why it got removed | 14:24 |
| ginggs | there are the test cases I compiled myself attached to LP: #818220 | 14:25 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 818220 in openmotif (Ubuntu Precise) "libmotif4 should provide libmotif3 symlinks (libXm.so.3, etc.)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/818220 | 14:25 |
| penguin42 | yeh it's probably as good as you can do; I still wouldn't be surprised if someone using some obscure/ancient commercial app breaks | 14:26 |
| ginggs | but we've pretty much accepted that libmotif4 is binary compatible with libmotif3 (and had to trust the vendor's release notes) - so now all we are testing is the transition | 14:26 |
| penguin42 | true | 14:26 |
| penguin42 | sorry, for rather complex reasons I've had too many bad experiences with motif incompatibilties | 14:27 |
| ginggs | yes, there is a chance of that, as I noted in the regression potential, but supporting obscure/ancient commercial apps is outside of Ubuntu's scope, although the intention of this SRU is to help as many people as possible by transitioning them away from the orphaned libmotif3 | 14:28 |
| penguin42 | I guess they can always grab the old packages if they hit that | 14:29 |
| ginggs | yup | 14:31 |
| penguin42 | ginggs: What's the advantage of backporting bug 1187507 - i.e. what currently breaks on precise/quantal if we don't SRU it | 14:33 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1187507 in openmotif (Ubuntu) "(open)motif should properly transition from libmotif3" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1187507 | 14:33 |
| penguin42 | ginggs: is it when they do install libmotif4 things break? | 14:33 |
| ginggs | In p,q and r manually installing libmotif4 is OK, in saucy and sid that is a problem which we decided to fix by introduce the libmotif3 transitional package | 14:35 |
| penguin42 | ok, so what's the advantage of SRU'ing it | 14:36 |
| ginggs | it was then that I discovered that according to popcon there are 25000+ installations of libmotif3 and only 3600+ of libmotif4 | 14:36 |
| penguin42 | heck that's quite a number isn't it | 14:37 |
| ginggs | so we can let these people wait until saucy or the 14.04 LTS to get transitioned to the new packages, but I figure the sooner the better | 14:37 |
| penguin42 | ok - but that's the bit I'm arguing with; the SRU has a small chance of breaking something - but unless there's an advantage to doing that I don't think we shoudl risk it | 14:38 |
| penguin42 | I mean, does libmotif4 have security fixes that 3 doesn't have - and putting those transitions in would help keep it secure? | 14:39 |
| ginggs | according to the release notes [ http://motif.ics.com/open-motif-233-release-notes ] 2.3.3 is a bug fix release, i quickly scanned the list of bugs fixed, none of them seem like security fixes | 14:42 |
| penguin42 | actually, that list of bugs on it's own could be enough of an argument for SRU? | 14:44 |
| ginggs | as you noted, why on earth would they bump the so name for a bug fix release in version 2.3.3, when they were happy to leave it the same between 2.2 and 2.3 | 14:44 |
| ginggs | good point, shall I add a link to the release notes and list the bugs fixed? | 14:45 |
| penguin42 | yeh, IMHO that would be a reasonable justification | 14:46 |
| ginggs | going to do that now, thanks | 14:47 |
| ginggs | ok, done | 15:01 |
| penguin42 | ginggs: You said that there was a page saying that BS can create tasks for a release - does it say how? | 15:09 |
| penguin42 | (I've done the nominations) | 15:10 |
| ginggs | penguin42: sorry closed the page. i have to run now but will be back in about an hour. thanks for your input - much appreciated! | 15:10 |
| penguin42 | np | 15:11 |
| ginggs | penguin42: do you perhaps get an extra field to choose the release if you click on 'also affects distribution'? | 16:32 |
| penguin42 | ginggs: No, I just get distribution, Source package name and url | 16:33 |
| penguin42 | and the distribution doesn't have anything more | 16:33 |
| ginggs | i know someone i can ask, but he doesn't seem to be online now | 16:33 |
| penguin42 | ginggs: bdmurray_ is the person I'd ask if he's awake | 16:34 |
| ginggs | btw: source package motif only exists in saucy and sid at the moment, the source package is still called openmotif in p, q and r | 16:35 |
| penguin42 | how did that happen - is that some change of licensing/release? | 16:35 |
| ginggs | just to confuse matters further openmotif is not truly open hence resides in non-free | 16:36 |
| penguin42 | ah, that's why I didn't find it in an apt-cache search | 16:36 |
| ginggs | motif 2.3.4 is now truly open source | 16:36 |
| penguin42 | did they ever release the motif 1 source? I had to work with it about 5 years ago | 16:37 |
| ginggs | http://motif.ics.com/article/news | 16:37 |
| ginggs | no i don't think they released motif 1, there is a git at http://sourceforge.net/p/motif/code/commit_browser but only goes back as far as 2.1 | 16:39 |
| penguin42 | I seem to remember the ordering for it asked you what format tape you wanted it on | 16:40 |
| penguin42 | ginggs: Out of vague interest, what do you use motif for? | 16:42 |
| ginggs | I don't personally, I have users who use Ansys GAMBIT among other applications that require libXm.so.3 | 16:44 |
| penguin42 | ah right | 16:45 |
| ginggs | so when they upgraded from lucid libmotif3 disappeared and it became my problem | 16:45 |
| penguin42 | haha yeh | 16:45 |
| ginggs | ...and now I am the DM for motif :) | 16:46 |
| * penguin42 points the blame-resolution-operator at ginggs | 16:46 | |
| ginggs | and yourself? why did you need to work with it? | 16:48 |
| penguin42 | I used to have a job that involved porting from old sunos to Linux | 16:49 |
| ginggs | sounds like fun ;) | 16:56 |
| penguin42 | never underestimate what bugs an application can depend on | 16:57 |
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