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lehthaniswell, I already started it on this pc00:00
lehthanisit takes a while huh?00:00
OvenWerk1ya00:01
OvenWerk1over 2.5 G00:01
lehthaniswhile I've got you...I have another question...when I get this machine built...I'm going to be taking it to our church and using it as the sound room computer...for internet at the church we only have a wifi hotspot00:04
lehthanisit's a desktop pc...and we were going to plug in a USB wifi adapter.00:05
lehthaniswhat will I need to make a usb wifi adapter work?00:05
lehthanishard part is, I don't know what type of wifi adapter it is, because the guy will be bringing it tomorrow00:07
lehthanisso if I could download some general drivers ahead of time that'd be great00:09
RenardHi there. I'm a sound newbie, trying to use two USB sound cards on a computer to route some audio between devices and record things in Audacity in the meantime. Is there any specific application I should use for that? I tried Jack's connexions bay, but it doesn't want to run.00:14
RenardBasic idea is: two sound cards A and B. Input(A) goes to Output(B), Input(B) to Input(A). Audacity records both Input(A) and Input(B), doesn't have to be in separated channels00:16
Renard[By the way, congratulation on Studio's release: it runs great even on a low-end netbook]00:16
zequenceRenard: I would use something like ardour instead of audacity - which is more suitable for audio editing, then audio recording00:26
zequenceIf you want to use multiple devices, I thinkg "zita" has some options00:27
zequenceThere are multiple ways, in fact00:27
RenardZita, heh00:29
RenardThe easiest solution the better. End goal: have two headsets (one per card), allowing people to have a conversation and record it. Gotta train for a few interviews :p00:31
zequenceThe absolute easiest way is to use multiple hardware channels00:32
RenardYes - but how to route them?00:33
RenardIn pulse, at least, it's easy to output to multiple devices at once. It may cause lag, but accuracy isn't important here. Also, I didn't find a way to hook multiple inputs.00:36
zequencepulse can't output to mmultiple devices, no00:36
zequenceonly jack, and alsa, AFAIK00:37
RenardActually, yes. The option is hidden in paprefs though.00:37
zequenceAh, yes. You can can output to multiple devices, per application00:37
zequenceBut not, one application to multiple devices00:38
Renardyes00:38
Renardhttp://i.stack.imgur.com/FPUsV.png00:38
RenardThis isn't a per-application setting. All applications output to all soundcards at once.00:39
RenardCaveat: noticable audio lag when videos are playing. Even more lag with Flash-based ressources (ie. Youtube)00:39
RenardBut what I'm looking for is probably more like what Jack offers: http://en.flossmanuals.net/ardour/ch015_starting-jack-on-ubuntu/_booki/ardour/static/Ardour-StartJackUbuntu-Connections03___JACK_Audio_Connection_Kit-en.png00:41
RenardFor some reason, though, Jack doesn't list the system ports at all (no input, no output, but I do have a Midi line in there which is of no use to me)00:42
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attejfinhi13:09
cfhowlettattejfin, greetings13:11
attejfinI'm having problems with my Echo Audiofire413:12
cfhowlettattejfin, ask here or in #linuxmusicians13:13
attejfinthanks13:14
Leggshi hi have an problem with my helixboard 24mk2 and the connection to the jack server14:34
Leggshad someone help14:35
OvenWerk1Leggs: What have you tried so far?14:40
Leggsupdate all ffado14:41
Leggsthe ffado-mixer show me the connection but the jackserver wont work14:42
OvenWerk1Leggs: Ahh FW, I have never had one. Is the back end of jack set to firewire?14:43
OvenWerk1holstein: are you around?14:43
OvenWerk1Settings in qjackctl has a dropdown under "Driver". It defaults to alsa14:45
OvenWerk1Leggs: it should be changed to Firewire.14:45
Leggshea i now  and when i switch to firewire came the error14:46
OvenWerk1What error does jack show?14:47
LeggsD-BUS: JACK-Server could not start14:48
OvenWerk1Thats it?14:53
OvenWerk1Does it work with the internal soundcard?14:53
Leggsyes14:54
OvenWerk1Normally jack spits out a lot more than that.14:54
OvenWerk1I wonder if there is an instance of jackd already running14:54
OvenWerk1try killall -9 jackd14:55
OvenWerk1from a terminal...14:55
Leggsthanks lol work now14:57
OvenWerk1Some apps start jackd if there is not already jackdbus running14:58
attejfin#ffado15:10
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NickGWhat do I need to do to get Gnome2 (or Gnome Fallback) to successfully run in US 13.04.  I've never had a problem in 12.04 or 12.10, but now when I install Gnome Fallback, it allows me to get into that DE but when I do, the 'wallpaper' or desktop is blue, no icons, and half of my panels are black, cant see a thing?16:24
OvenWerk1NickG: doesn't work for me either16:27
OvenWerk1As far as I know, the fall back mode has been removed16:28
NickGOh.  :(  I thought I might be missing some package, or the WM was configured wrong or something.  Well... I Miss gnome.16:28
OvenWerk1There is supposed to be a "classic" mode now which is just16:28
OvenWerk1gnomeshell with modules to make it look old.16:29
NickGWell, even when I installed Gnome, (version 3) it did the same thing.  It wouldn't load my desktop icons16:29
* OvenWerk1 is not impressed :/16:29
NickGI think Mate can be installed as a DE, I just can't find the repositories16:29
OvenWerk1I installed ubuntu gnome16:29
NickGwhich is gnome version?16:30
OvenWerk1I can run the applications menu, but it does not do subdirectories so our audio section filles the whole screen and is very disorganized :P16:31
NickGYessss I noticed that on another DE...16:31
OvenWerk13.8 or so I think. The computer I installed it quit on me yesterday... that and my server.16:31
NickGI can't remember which, but it doesn't have our specific menus so it looks terrible.16:31
OvenWerk1I am working on an addon menus package16:32
NickGFor different DE's?16:32
OvenWerk1It works for kde, xfce (if xfce is configured right (is isn't out of the box)16:32
NickGah16:32
OvenWerk1it sort fo works for lxde, but I have more work to do.16:33
NickGYah.16:33
OvenWerk1And as I said the menu in gnome 3 fails.16:33
NickGI never really got into KDE, I tried it out when I first got into linux16:33
OvenWerk1KDE seems to have paid the most attention to the opendesktop spec.16:33
NickGbut it was too... clunky16:33
OvenWerk1I have been back and forth iwth that.16:34
NickGand there is a bug where sometimes (haven't pinned it down to a reason) it will shorten your open windows buttons to about half the total width16:34
OvenWerk1I used fvwm for a long time, went to kde then gnome then xfce...16:34
NickGsso there is a big empty gap to the right of the application launcher menu16:34
NickGwhat is fvwm exactly?  I just saw it somewhere16:34
NickGdidnt really look at it16:34
OvenWerk1fvwm is still being developed, but was the newest and greatest late 90s16:35
NickGahh16:35
OvenWerk1It still has things I like16:35
OvenWerk1I might try it again. If I can get it to do xdg menus. It didn't back then.16:36
OvenWerk1The menus used to be hand made16:36
NickGahh16:36
NickGI'm still new to all this linux stuff, lol.  I'm going to follow the linux from scratch guide to build my own, to get me more familiar with all of it though16:37
OvenWerk1So the distro would include menu items for everything you might install. Then it seemed as if half the stuff on the menu didn't work :P16:37
NickGlol16:37
OvenWerk1Try Arch then.16:37
NickGarch linux?16:37
NickGfor building?16:37
OvenWerk1Ya.16:37
NickGsee I'm not too sure how to fork16:37
NickGwould it be a fork of arch in that scenerio?16:37
OvenWerk1You buld your system there, bit by bit. You know exactly what is there.16:37
NickGhah16:37
NickGI'll give that a look too then16:38
OvenWerk1They have a very complete wiki, but I have heard finding what you want when you don't know where to look is not always easy.16:38
NickGthats ok, as long as it's possible16:38
NickGI'm good at figuring things out, but I need to do to learn.  That's how I learn best.16:39
NickGAnyway I gotta run for now, but good luck with the menus16:39
OvenWerk1Ya, it is good learing where everything is supposed to be.16:39
OvenWerk1Ok, bye now16:39
OvenWerk1xvidcap seems to have been dropped from repos since 12.0416:46
OvenWerk1There is a recipe for using (the real) ffmpeg to do all this as well. I may make a GUI to make that work, I am told it is the best solution for using jack audio.16:48
frank_hello!17:22
frank_in firefox, when i rightclick, and go to 'save link as'...17:23
frank_in the window that pops up...17:24
frank_there is no legible text. only little squares.. or little rectangles rather...17:26
NickGfrank_: it seems that is a font issue17:28
NickGGenerally, when the font a program uses is not installed on the computer, the computer will not be able to display the text17:28
NickGis it only in Firefox?17:28
frank_firefox only so far.. i really dont have another browser..17:29
DarkErawhat version of Ubuntu Studio do you use and did you install the xubuntu-restricted-extras? Because i never encountered this problem before17:30
frank_this is ubuntu studio 13.0417:31
frank_no i dont have that installed...17:32
frank_why do you think that may clear up the issue?17:33
DarkErait pulls in the ms-core-fonts17:34
frank_ha! it worked! thank you sir that was genius17:37
DarkErayou're most welcome :)17:40
jeevanushai18:44
jeevanusim using ubuntustudio 12.0418:44
jeevanusi cant hibernate or suspend my system18:45
jeevanuscan some one help please?18:45
jeevanus?18:45
cubWhat happens when you got to suspend?18:49
jeevanusit come not authorized18:54
jeevanuscub: ^18:54
cubHmm I haven't seen that. I have an issue that my Sony Vaio doesn't manage to start up again after suspend18:55
jeevanusfailed to suspend section - not authorized18:56
jeevanusI have that pbm when i hibernate18:56
SonikkuAmericajeevanus: I've seen a bug report against pm-utils, upower and lubuntu-logout about this very thing.18:57
cubHow much RAM do you have compared to swap?18:58
jeevanusok i ll try, i have 3GB swap18:58
jeevanusi ll try and come back18:58
jeevanuslets deal with suspend 1st shall we?19:01
jeevanusthen go for hibernation19:01
jeevanusit says - failed to suspend section - not authorized19:01
jeevanusin a message box19:01
jeevanusthe screen goes off, but not the computer, it just locks screen19:02
NickGAre you typing it in terminal?  or using the action buttons?19:04
jeevanusaction button19:04
NickGdo you see the "Log out..." option?19:05
jeevanuss19:05
jeevanusyes19:05
NickGwhen you click on that, it will prompt you with what exactly you want to do.  You can suspend to ram from there, is that the one you are using?19:05
jeevanusno, there is also option called suspend19:06
jeevanusim using that19:06
NickGcan you try the option under log out, and see if it does the same thing?19:06
jeevanussure19:07
keith_hey folks, running ubuntustudio (quantal) and lost the ability to set images on the desktop. Can't change the color or even change icon fonts. Any idea how to fix this?19:08
jeevanus_hai19:08
jeevanus_NickG: it Loged me off19:08
jeevanus_from my user19:08
NickGentirely?19:08
NickGdid not suspend?19:09
jeevanus_nop19:09
NickGso you clicked "log out..." and when prompted, selected suspend?19:09
NickGkeith_: do you have the ability to go into system settings and choose "desktop"?19:09
jeevanus_yes19:09
keith_NickG: yes. no effect from there19:10
jeevanus_there are options like lock screen, suspend, hibernate, reboot, shutdown, logout19:10
NickGjeevanus_: I found in ubuntu forums that others have had this problem and the following command may help you: sudo update-initramfs -u19:10
jeevanus_ok19:11
NickGkeith_: so you do not have any desktop icons?19:11
keith_NickG: Icons are there, and I can select all kinds of different styles for them. I can't change the tiny (6pt?) font under them, I can't change the background color, and I can't put up a desktop image.19:12
NickGOk19:12
NickGgimme a second19:13
NickGwhat happened just before the issue started?  did you change any software or install anything?19:13
zequencekeith_: probably corrupted user settings19:14
keith_This began a few months ago after an update.19:14
zequencekeith_: deleting some files in your home folder, logging out, then in again should fix it19:14
NickGzequence: the same thing that went with mine the other day?19:14
zequencesomething similar, probably19:15
NickGHow do they get corrupted?19:15
zequencebuggy software :P19:15
keith_zequence: I have a LOT of files in my home dir... can we get a bit more specific?19:15
jeevanus_NickG: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/3ry3h19:16
zequenceI don't know which files could be affected, but something to do with XFCE and/or theming. ~/.cache ~/.config ~/.local/share19:16
jeevanus_this is what i get when i click suspend19:16
zequencethose dirs are not just for that, but could contain files of interest19:16
jeevanus_i tried ur command19:17
jeevanus_@NickG: ^19:17
NickGyeh?19:17
jeevanus_how to authorize?19:17
NickGlemme have a look19:18
NickGI'm not sure about that one then19:19
NickGsorry19:19
jeevanus_okay19:19
jeevanus_any idea how can i find it?19:19
NickGUsually when I have an issue I find Google.com is an amazing resource.  I would pose the search term specifically and sift through the results19:27
keith_zequence: I'm looking through those dirs now... but I'm not sure what's safe to delete and what will hammer my system.19:29
jeevanus_NickG: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5749477/19:35
zequencekeith_: It's all safe to delete19:39
zequencekeith_: It's just user settings, not system files19:39
zequenceIf you delete something, next time you login, default settings will be saved there19:40
zequencealso, if you delete it all, all your application settings will be lost, and you get default ones instead19:40
zequenceor, settings are mostly in ~.config19:40
zequence~/.config19:40
keith_zequence: thx. the .cache section is safe to clear though, right?19:41
zequence.cache should be no problem to delete19:41
NickGMy computer just shut off, and the battery lights and power lights went off.  I had a problem before with a power adapter (inside on the motherboard) so I thought it was that, but now both lights are back on, so i loaded up ubuntu studio and logged in, after about 10 seconds, it logged me out...20:01
NickGnow I'm back in and it looks like it might be working, but crash report detected (i get those all the time since moving to 13.04)20:02
NickGerror with /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-miner-fs20:03
zequencecould be faulty memory, could be a graphic driver bug20:03
zequencedon't think that should be related20:03
zequencethat's just a process that indexes your files20:03
NickGtitle: tracker-miner-fs crashed with SIGABRT in raise ()20:04
NickGwhere do crash reports go?20:05
NickGand another crash for /usr/bin/xfce4-session20:05
NickGand /usr/bin/tracker/tracker-store20:06
NickG3 crashes on boot20:06
zequenceyou might be able to find some answers in /var/log/20:09
NickGJust crashed again20:10
NickGwell it booted me out, so I logged back in.20:10
NickGno crash report on login this time tho..20:11
haukewHi everyone! I just finished installing Ubuntu Studio (love it! Everything works perfectly!) but i have two kernels: linux-image-3.8.0-22-lowlatency and linux-image-extra-3.8.0-23-generic. Since i can use the lowlatency-kernel, can i just remove the generic?20:21
zequencehaukew: Yes, removing -generic is fine20:25
haukewok, thanks :-)20:25
haukewso what i would do now is removing these packages: "linux-generic -  linux-generic-pae - linux-headers-3.8.0-23 - linux-headers-3.8.0-23-generic - linux-headers-generic - linux-headers-generic-pae - linux-image-extra-3.8.0-23-generic - linux-image-generic". While leaving untouched: "linux-headers-3.8.0-22-lowlatency -  linux-image-3.8.0-22-lowlatency - linux-lowlatency-headers-3.8.0-22"20:27
haukewis that correct?20:27
zequenceyes20:28
haukewgreat. Thanks again!20:28
haukewoh, one more question: if i change my DE from XFCE to KDE4, will the menu entries still be there?20:30
haukewnevemind, i'll just try it out. Bye :-)20:32
SonikkuAmericazequence: While you're here, can you explain the weird settings mess in 13.04?20:46
zequenceSonikkuAmerica: What are you referring to, settings wise?20:47
SonikkuAmericazequence: Well, just that there seems to be a mish-mash of gnome-control, KDE's systemsettings and, of course, the obligatory "half-filled XFCE settings manager"20:47
SonikkuAmerica(Xubuntu's has everything inside the settings manager)20:48
SonikkuAmericaAnd not to mention that the Online Accounts (duplicates of each other) only have Facebook, Flickr and Google hookable20:48
zequence1. we haven't updated Ubuntu Studio with recent Xubuntu changes (but are doing that for 13.10) 2. any additional applications are installed as a result of dependencies20:49
SonikkuAmericaOK. (It just makes for a messy experience, is all)20:49
SonikkuAmericaI also noticed that Nautilus was replaced with Thunar.20:50
SonikkuAmerica(Guess that's an XFCE stock app anyways, Thunar)20:50
zequenceYes, we went pure XFCE with desktop package selection20:50
zequenceSonikkuAmerica: I'd you'd like to help making the desktop experience less messy, you are free to help developing it20:51
zequenceor, rather, welcome to do so20:52
SonikkuAmericazequence: Well thanks for that. I'm good at conceptualizing stuff, but awful at actually committing stuff.20:53
zequenceI think that's kind of a general problem with people :)20:55
SonikkuAmerica:)20:55
NickGthe tracker-miner-fs is giving a crash report on every boot...20:55
zequenceNickG: check /var/log20:55
NickGI really don't want to do a reinstall, what could I do?20:55
NickGwhich file?20:55
zequencefiles like syslog20:55
zequenceXorg could be helpful too20:56
zequenceNickG: I'd double check with another release to make sure it's not release specific20:56
NickGwhat would I be looking for in there?20:56
zequencethen you know it's most probably the hardware20:56
NickGI never got this problem in 12.1020:57
zequenceWell, that was before20:57
NickGyah20:57
NickGthe syslog is full... like, thousands of lines it looks like20:57
NickGI am seeing this alot: Jun  9 08:55:38 nick-eME442 kernel: [55754.753790] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Test WP failed, assume Write Enabled20:57
NickGJun  9 08:55:38 nick-eME442 kernel: [55754.760053] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed20:57
zequenceis sdb a usb drive or stick?20:58
NickGpci_root PNP0A08:00: ignoring host bridge window [mem 0x000cc000-0x000cffff] (conflicts with Video ROM [mem 0x000c0000-0x000cedff])21:00
NickGJun  9 17:53:07 nick-eME442 kernel: [    021:00
NickGSda is my harddrive, I don't have any usb in right now... Did find a sd card in its slot.21:00
NickG[mem 0x000e0000-0x000fffff] could not be reserved21:01
NickGa few of these, and a few interrupts21:01
zequencecould be RAM. not sure21:01
NickGugh...21:02
zequenceI'd double check with another release, as said21:03
NickGNext computer I buy it will NOT be an acer...21:03
NickGI have no other installed... I got Windows 7 and 8 on my other two partitions...21:03
zequenceif it's RAM, then it might be as simple as adjusting them21:03
NickGcan I do a memtest?21:03
NickGor something?21:03
NickGwhen  I boot, grub gives me other options for ubuntu launch21:03
zequenceThat could be worth a shot21:03
NickGI don't recall what they are though21:03
zequencethere's recovery21:04
zequenceI forget if memtest is an option, and where. I need to do one myself21:04
NickGIf RAM has the OS loaded... and then a ram allocation fails midway through computer use, it would cause computer to log me off?21:04
zequenceYou mean poweroff?21:05
NickGno21:05
NickGreturns me to the greeter21:05
zequenceah, I see21:05
zequenceI thought you had sudden poweroffs21:06
NickGI did once a bit earlier.21:06
zequenceI guess buggy softtware sounds more likely21:06
zequenceYou did mess with user settings the other day21:06
zequencemaybe try create a new user from scratch21:07
NickGWhen it came back up it let me log in, told me a bunch of stuff crashed, then a few minutes later, logged me off, i logged back in, it logged me off after 10 seconds, logged back in, 10 minutes later logged me off, back in now21:07
zequencewith admin rights21:07
NickGI cleared the ./cache and ./config21:07
NickGIdunno how ot make a new user21:07
NickGwait21:07
nickgermaineurgh, it pushed me off as I tried to make a new user, but I just created with admin rights, and inside that one now21:11
nickgermaineI'm gonna go log off, and do the memtests if i can.21:16
nickgermaineWell, I noticed Ubuntu was switching hard drive mode from IDE to ASPI (ahci?  something like that) so i just changed that in my bios so it has one less thing to do.  after creating a new user, i didnt get a crash report on this boot.21:47
nickgermaineasci?21:47
nickgermaineno...21:47
holsteinnickgermaine: ubuntu? or ubuntustudio?21:48
nickgermaineubuntu studio21:48
holsteinnickgermaine: whats the issue?21:48
nickgermainewell.  it kept logging me off at random intervals.21:48
nickgermaineand on boot i was getting crash error from /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-miner-fs21:48
nickgermaineand /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-store (i think it was usr/lib... or maybe usr/bin?)21:49
nickgermaineafter my fresh install of ubuntu studio 13.04 ive been getting crash reports on boot, but haven't paid them any attention21:49
nickgermainei always send crash reports tho21:49
nickgermaineso zequence suggested creating a new user, so i did, and it seems to be working at the moment21:50
nickgermainedid a memtest, but got bored 63% through, noted no errors in that 63% so im 63% sure there are no memory errors21:50
nickgermainelol21:50
holsteinit'll just run.. how long did you let it run? the memtest?21:51
nickgermainefor about 22 minutes or so21:51
holsteinwhen i have had bad memory, i see an error within the first few minutes21:51
nickgermainei just (esc)'d so it didnt finish but im sure thats not it21:51
holsteinnickgermaine: you get logged out of the x session?21:51
nickgermaineits only ever since 13.0421:51
nickgermaineyeh21:51
nickgermainetakes me back to the greeter21:52
nickgermainehappens in the xfce session too21:52
nickgermaineand ubuntu studio session21:52
holsteinnickgermaine: as a different user as well?21:53
nickgermaine installed gnome, but couldnt get the fallback session working.  so i installed mate, couldnt get the themes to work so i came back here to ubuntu studio session (the one where the error was happening)21:53
nickgermaineno, on this fresh boot into the new user, no errors yet21:53
holsteinnickgermaine: i dont think thats going to be XFCE releated21:53
holsteinrelated*21:53
nickgermaineguessing corrupted user of something21:53
nickgermaine*or21:53
holsteinnickgermaine: so, you reinstalled 13.04?21:53
nickgermainenope21:53
nickgermainejust created new user21:53
holsteinnickgermaine: ?21:53
nickgermaineand it seems fine21:53
nickgermainewhen logging into the new user21:53
holsteini would think its in the user config then21:53
nickgermaineyah21:53
nickgermainethats my guess, at least its working21:54
holsteinyou get a crash and get dumped out to the greeter21:54
nickgermaineif it does it again, as the new user account ill worry about it, but for now it seems good21:54
nickgermainewell, it would happen at weird times... could get in for 10 seconds, then booted me out, then 10 minutes, then it booted me out21:54
nickgermaineno consistency as to programs running, etc because the first one i had nothing running21:54
holsteinwell, likely what could happen is, you break that user the same way as you did the other.. and cause the same issue21:55
nickgermaineyah21:55
nickgermaineanyway i gotta run and get a tv stand, ill be back21:55
nickgermaineim back, and still logged in22:20
nickgermainehah22:20

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