[00:00] <lehthanis> well, I already started it on this pc
[00:00] <lehthanis> it takes a while huh?
[00:01] <OvenWerk1> ya
[00:01] <OvenWerk1> over 2.5 G
[00:04] <lehthanis> while I've got you...I have another question...when I get this machine built...I'm going to be taking it to our church and using it as the sound room computer...for internet at the church we only have a wifi hotspot
[00:05] <lehthanis> it's a desktop pc...and we were going to plug in a USB wifi adapter.
[00:05] <lehthanis> what will I need to make a usb wifi adapter work?
[00:07] <lehthanis> hard part is, I don't know what type of wifi adapter it is, because the guy will be bringing it tomorrow
[00:09] <lehthanis> so if I could download some general drivers ahead of time that'd be great
[00:14] <Renard> Hi there. I'm a sound newbie, trying to use two USB sound cards on a computer to route some audio between devices and record things in Audacity in the meantime. Is there any specific application I should use for that? I tried Jack's connexions bay, but it doesn't want to run.
[00:16] <Renard> Basic idea is: two sound cards A and B. Input(A) goes to Output(B), Input(B) to Input(A). Audacity records both Input(A) and Input(B), doesn't have to be in separated channels
[00:16] <Renard> [By the way, congratulation on Studio's release: it runs great even on a low-end netbook]
[00:26] <zequence> Renard: I would use something like ardour instead of audacity - which is more suitable for audio editing, then audio recording
[00:27] <zequence> If you want to use multiple devices, I thinkg "zita" has some options
[00:27] <zequence> There are multiple ways, in fact
[00:29] <Renard> Zita, heh
[00:31] <Renard> The easiest solution the better. End goal: have two headsets (one per card), allowing people to have a conversation and record it. Gotta train for a few interviews :p
[00:32] <zequence> The absolute easiest way is to use multiple hardware channels
[00:33] <Renard> Yes - but how to route them?
[00:36] <Renard> In pulse, at least, it's easy to output to multiple devices at once. It may cause lag, but accuracy isn't important here. Also, I didn't find a way to hook multiple inputs.
[00:36] <zequence> pulse can't output to mmultiple devices, no
[00:37] <zequence> only jack, and alsa, AFAIK
[00:37] <Renard> Actually, yes. The option is hidden in paprefs though.
[00:37] <zequence> Ah, yes. You can can output to multiple devices, per application
[00:38] <zequence> But not, one application to multiple devices
[00:38] <Renard> yes
[00:38] <Renard> http://i.stack.imgur.com/FPUsV.png
[00:39] <Renard> This isn't a per-application setting. All applications output to all soundcards at once.
[00:39] <Renard> Caveat: noticable audio lag when videos are playing. Even more lag with Flash-based ressources (ie. Youtube)
[00:41] <Renard> But what I'm looking for is probably more like what Jack offers: http://en.flossmanuals.net/ardour/ch015_starting-jack-on-ubuntu/_booki/ardour/static/Ardour-StartJackUbuntu-Connections03___JACK_Audio_Connection_Kit-en.png
[00:42] <Renard> For some reason, though, Jack doesn't list the system ports at all (no input, no output, but I do have a Midi line in there which is of no use to me)
[13:09] <attejfin> hi
[13:11] <cfhowlett> attejfin, greetings
[13:12] <attejfin> I'm having problems with my Echo Audiofire4
[13:13] <cfhowlett> attejfin, ask here or in #linuxmusicians
[13:14] <attejfin> thanks
[14:34] <Leggs> hi hi have an problem with my helixboard 24mk2 and the connection to the jack server
[14:35] <Leggs> had someone help
[14:40] <OvenWerk1> Leggs: What have you tried so far?
[14:41] <Leggs> update all ffado
[14:42] <Leggs> the ffado-mixer show me the connection but the jackserver wont work
[14:43] <OvenWerk1> Leggs: Ahh FW, I have never had one. Is the back end of jack set to firewire?
[14:43] <OvenWerk1> holstein: are you around?
[14:45] <OvenWerk1> Settings in qjackctl has a dropdown under "Driver". It defaults to alsa
[14:45] <OvenWerk1> Leggs: it should be changed to Firewire.
[14:46] <Leggs> hea i now  and when i switch to firewire came the error
[14:47] <OvenWerk1> What error does jack show?
[14:48] <Leggs> D-BUS: JACK-Server could not start
[14:53] <OvenWerk1> Thats it?
[14:53] <OvenWerk1> Does it work with the internal soundcard?
[14:54] <Leggs> yes
[14:54] <OvenWerk1> Normally jack spits out a lot more than that.
[14:54] <OvenWerk1> I wonder if there is an instance of jackd already running
[14:55] <OvenWerk1> try killall -9 jackd
[14:55] <OvenWerk1> from a terminal...
[14:57] <Leggs> thanks lol work now
[14:58] <OvenWerk1> Some apps start jackd if there is not already jackdbus running
[15:10] <attejfin> #ffado
[16:24] <NickG> What do I need to do to get Gnome2 (or Gnome Fallback) to successfully run in US 13.04.  I've never had a problem in 12.04 or 12.10, but now when I install Gnome Fallback, it allows me to get into that DE but when I do, the 'wallpaper' or desktop is blue, no icons, and half of my panels are black, cant see a thing?
[16:27] <OvenWerk1> NickG: doesn't work for me either
[16:28] <OvenWerk1> As far as I know, the fall back mode has been removed
[16:28] <NickG> Oh.  :(  I thought I might be missing some package, or the WM was configured wrong or something.  Well... I Miss gnome.
[16:28] <OvenWerk1> There is supposed to be a "classic" mode now which is just
[16:29] <OvenWerk1> gnomeshell with modules to make it look old.
[16:29] <NickG> Well, even when I installed Gnome, (version 3) it did the same thing.  It wouldn't load my desktop icons
[16:29]  * OvenWerk1 is not impressed :/
[16:29] <NickG> I think Mate can be installed as a DE, I just can't find the repositories
[16:29] <OvenWerk1> I installed ubuntu gnome
[16:30] <NickG> which is gnome version?
[16:31] <OvenWerk1> I can run the applications menu, but it does not do subdirectories so our audio section filles the whole screen and is very disorganized :P
[16:31] <NickG> Yessss I noticed that on another DE...
[16:31] <OvenWerk1> 3.8 or so I think. The computer I installed it quit on me yesterday... that and my server.
[16:31] <NickG> I can't remember which, but it doesn't have our specific menus so it looks terrible.
[16:32] <OvenWerk1> I am working on an addon menus package
[16:32] <NickG> For different DE's?
[16:32] <OvenWerk1> It works for kde, xfce (if xfce is configured right (is isn't out of the box)
[16:32] <NickG> ah
[16:33] <OvenWerk1> it sort fo works for lxde, but I have more work to do.
[16:33] <NickG> Yah.
[16:33] <OvenWerk1> And as I said the menu in gnome 3 fails.
[16:33] <NickG> I never really got into KDE, I tried it out when I first got into linux
[16:33] <OvenWerk1> KDE seems to have paid the most attention to the opendesktop spec.
[16:33] <NickG> but it was too... clunky
[16:34] <OvenWerk1> I have been back and forth iwth that.
[16:34] <NickG> and there is a bug where sometimes (haven't pinned it down to a reason) it will shorten your open windows buttons to about half the total width
[16:34] <OvenWerk1> I used fvwm for a long time, went to kde then gnome then xfce...
[16:34] <NickG> sso there is a big empty gap to the right of the application launcher menu
[16:34] <NickG> what is fvwm exactly?  I just saw it somewhere
[16:34] <NickG> didnt really look at it
[16:35] <OvenWerk1> fvwm is still being developed, but was the newest and greatest late 90s
[16:35] <NickG> ahh
[16:35] <OvenWerk1> It still has things I like
[16:36] <OvenWerk1> I might try it again. If I can get it to do xdg menus. It didn't back then.
[16:36] <OvenWerk1> The menus used to be hand made
[16:36] <NickG> ahh
[16:37] <NickG> I'm still new to all this linux stuff, lol.  I'm going to follow the linux from scratch guide to build my own, to get me more familiar with all of it though
[16:37] <OvenWerk1> So the distro would include menu items for everything you might install. Then it seemed as if half the stuff on the menu didn't work :P
[16:37] <NickG> lol
[16:37] <OvenWerk1> Try Arch then.
[16:37] <NickG> arch linux?
[16:37] <NickG> for building?
[16:37] <OvenWerk1> Ya.
[16:37] <NickG> see I'm not too sure how to fork
[16:37] <NickG> would it be a fork of arch in that scenerio?
[16:37] <OvenWerk1> You buld your system there, bit by bit. You know exactly what is there.
[16:37] <NickG> hah
[16:38] <NickG> I'll give that a look too then
[16:38] <OvenWerk1> They have a very complete wiki, but I have heard finding what you want when you don't know where to look is not always easy.
[16:38] <NickG> thats ok, as long as it's possible
[16:39] <NickG> I'm good at figuring things out, but I need to do to learn.  That's how I learn best.
[16:39] <NickG> Anyway I gotta run for now, but good luck with the menus
[16:39] <OvenWerk1> Ya, it is good learing where everything is supposed to be.
[16:39] <OvenWerk1> Ok, bye now
[16:46] <OvenWerk1> xvidcap seems to have been dropped from repos since 12.04
[16:48] <OvenWerk1> There is a recipe for using (the real) ffmpeg to do all this as well. I may make a GUI to make that work, I am told it is the best solution for using jack audio.
[17:22] <frank_> hello!
[17:23] <frank_> in firefox, when i rightclick, and go to 'save link as'...
[17:24] <frank_> in the window that pops up...
[17:26] <frank_> there is no legible text. only little squares.. or little rectangles rather...
[17:28] <NickG> frank_: it seems that is a font issue
[17:28] <NickG> Generally, when the font a program uses is not installed on the computer, the computer will not be able to display the text
[17:28] <NickG> is it only in Firefox?
[17:29] <frank_> firefox only so far.. i really dont have another browser..
[17:30] <DarkEra> what version of Ubuntu Studio do you use and did you install the xubuntu-restricted-extras? Because i never encountered this problem before
[17:31] <frank_> this is ubuntu studio 13.04
[17:32] <frank_> no i dont have that installed...
[17:33] <frank_> why do you think that may clear up the issue?
[17:34] <DarkEra> it pulls in the ms-core-fonts
[17:37] <frank_> ha! it worked! thank you sir that was genius
[17:40] <DarkEra> you're most welcome :)
[18:44] <jeevanus> hai
[18:44] <jeevanus> im using ubuntustudio 12.04
[18:45] <jeevanus> i cant hibernate or suspend my system
[18:45] <jeevanus> can some one help please?
[18:45] <jeevanus> ?
[18:49] <cub> What happens when you got to suspend?
[18:54] <jeevanus> it come not authorized
[18:54] <jeevanus> cub: ^
[18:55] <cub> Hmm I haven't seen that. I have an issue that my Sony Vaio doesn't manage to start up again after suspend
[18:56] <jeevanus> failed to suspend section - not authorized
[18:56] <jeevanus> I have that pbm when i hibernate
[18:57] <SonikkuAmerica> jeevanus: I've seen a bug report against pm-utils, upower and lubuntu-logout about this very thing.
[18:58] <cub> How much RAM do you have compared to swap?
[18:58] <jeevanus> ok i ll try, i have 3GB swap
[18:58] <jeevanus> i ll try and come back
[19:01] <jeevanus> lets deal with suspend 1st shall we?
[19:01] <jeevanus> then go for hibernation
[19:01] <jeevanus> it says - failed to suspend section - not authorized
[19:01] <jeevanus> in a message box
[19:02] <jeevanus> the screen goes off, but not the computer, it just locks screen
[19:04] <NickG> Are you typing it in terminal?  or using the action buttons?
[19:04] <jeevanus> action button
[19:05] <NickG> do you see the "Log out..." option?
[19:05] <jeevanus> s
[19:05] <jeevanus> yes
[19:05] <NickG> when you click on that, it will prompt you with what exactly you want to do.  You can suspend to ram from there, is that the one you are using?
[19:06] <jeevanus> no, there is also option called suspend
[19:06] <jeevanus> im using that
[19:06] <NickG> can you try the option under log out, and see if it does the same thing?
[19:07] <jeevanus> sure
[19:08] <keith_> hey folks, running ubuntustudio (quantal) and lost the ability to set images on the desktop. Can't change the color or even change icon fonts. Any idea how to fix this?
[19:08] <jeevanus_> hai
[19:08] <jeevanus_> NickG: it Loged me off
[19:08] <jeevanus_> from my user
[19:08] <NickG> entirely?
[19:09] <NickG> did not suspend?
[19:09] <jeevanus_> nop
[19:09] <NickG> so you clicked "log out..." and when prompted, selected suspend?
[19:09] <NickG> keith_: do you have the ability to go into system settings and choose "desktop"?
[19:09] <jeevanus_> yes
[19:10] <keith_> NickG: yes. no effect from there
[19:10] <jeevanus_> there are options like lock screen, suspend, hibernate, reboot, shutdown, logout
[19:10] <NickG> jeevanus_: I found in ubuntu forums that others have had this problem and the following command may help you: sudo update-initramfs -u
[19:11] <jeevanus_> ok
[19:11] <NickG> keith_: so you do not have any desktop icons?
[19:12] <keith_> NickG: Icons are there, and I can select all kinds of different styles for them. I can't change the tiny (6pt?) font under them, I can't change the background color, and I can't put up a desktop image.
[19:12] <NickG> Ok
[19:13] <NickG> gimme a second
[19:13] <NickG> what happened just before the issue started?  did you change any software or install anything?
[19:14] <zequence> keith_: probably corrupted user settings
[19:14] <keith_> This began a few months ago after an update.
[19:14] <zequence> keith_: deleting some files in your home folder, logging out, then in again should fix it
[19:14] <NickG> zequence: the same thing that went with mine the other day?
[19:15] <zequence> something similar, probably
[19:15] <NickG> How do they get corrupted?
[19:15] <zequence> buggy software :P
[19:15] <keith_> zequence: I have a LOT of files in my home dir... can we get a bit more specific?
[19:16] <jeevanus_> NickG: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/3ry3h
[19:16] <zequence> I don't know which files could be affected, but something to do with XFCE and/or theming. ~/.cache ~/.config ~/.local/share
[19:16] <jeevanus_> this is what i get when i click suspend
[19:16] <zequence> those dirs are not just for that, but could contain files of interest
[19:17] <jeevanus_> i tried ur command
[19:17] <jeevanus_> @NickG: ^
[19:17] <NickG> yeh?
[19:17] <jeevanus_> how to authorize?
[19:18] <NickG> lemme have a look
[19:19] <NickG> I'm not sure about that one then
[19:19] <NickG> sorry
[19:19] <jeevanus_> okay
[19:19] <jeevanus_> any idea how can i find it?
[19:27] <NickG> Usually when I have an issue I find Google.com is an amazing resource.  I would pose the search term specifically and sift through the results
[19:29] <keith_> zequence: I'm looking through those dirs now... but I'm not sure what's safe to delete and what will hammer my system.
[19:35] <jeevanus_> NickG: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5749477/
[19:39] <zequence> keith_: It's all safe to delete
[19:39] <zequence> keith_: It's just user settings, not system files
[19:40] <zequence> If you delete something, next time you login, default settings will be saved there
[19:40] <zequence> also, if you delete it all, all your application settings will be lost, and you get default ones instead
[19:40] <zequence> or, settings are mostly in ~.config
[19:40] <zequence> ~/.config
[19:41] <keith_> zequence: thx. the .cache section is safe to clear though, right?
[19:41] <zequence> .cache should be no problem to delete
[20:01] <NickG> My computer just shut off, and the battery lights and power lights went off.  I had a problem before with a power adapter (inside on the motherboard) so I thought it was that, but now both lights are back on, so i loaded up ubuntu studio and logged in, after about 10 seconds, it logged me out...
[20:02] <NickG> now I'm back in and it looks like it might be working, but crash report detected (i get those all the time since moving to 13.04)
[20:03] <NickG> error with /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-miner-fs
[20:03] <zequence> could be faulty memory, could be a graphic driver bug
[20:03] <zequence> don't think that should be related
[20:03] <zequence> that's just a process that indexes your files
[20:04] <NickG> title: tracker-miner-fs crashed with SIGABRT in raise ()
[20:05] <NickG> where do crash reports go?
[20:05] <NickG> and another crash for /usr/bin/xfce4-session
[20:06] <NickG> and /usr/bin/tracker/tracker-store
[20:06] <NickG> 3 crashes on boot
[20:09] <zequence> you might be able to find some answers in /var/log/
[20:10] <NickG> Just crashed again
[20:10] <NickG> well it booted me out, so I logged back in.
[20:11] <NickG> no crash report on login this time tho..
[20:21] <haukew> Hi everyone! I just finished installing Ubuntu Studio (love it! Everything works perfectly!) but i have two kernels: linux-image-3.8.0-22-lowlatency and linux-image-extra-3.8.0-23-generic. Since i can use the lowlatency-kernel, can i just remove the generic?
[20:25] <zequence> haukew: Yes, removing -generic is fine
[20:25] <haukew> ok, thanks :-)
[20:27] <haukew> so what i would do now is removing these packages: "linux-generic -  linux-generic-pae - linux-headers-3.8.0-23 - linux-headers-3.8.0-23-generic - linux-headers-generic - linux-headers-generic-pae - linux-image-extra-3.8.0-23-generic - linux-image-generic". While leaving untouched: "linux-headers-3.8.0-22-lowlatency -  linux-image-3.8.0-22-lowlatency - linux-lowlatency-headers-3.8.0-22"
[20:27] <haukew> is that correct?
[20:28] <zequence> yes
[20:28] <haukew> great. Thanks again!
[20:30] <haukew> oh, one more question: if i change my DE from XFCE to KDE4, will the menu entries still be there?
[20:32] <haukew> nevemind, i'll just try it out. Bye :-)
[20:46] <SonikkuAmerica> zequence: While you're here, can you explain the weird settings mess in 13.04?
[20:47] <zequence> SonikkuAmerica: What are you referring to, settings wise?
[20:47] <SonikkuAmerica> zequence: Well, just that there seems to be a mish-mash of gnome-control, KDE's systemsettings and, of course, the obligatory "half-filled XFCE settings manager"
[20:48] <SonikkuAmerica> (Xubuntu's has everything inside the settings manager)
[20:48] <SonikkuAmerica> And not to mention that the Online Accounts (duplicates of each other) only have Facebook, Flickr and Google hookable
[20:49] <zequence> 1. we haven't updated Ubuntu Studio with recent Xubuntu changes (but are doing that for 13.10) 2. any additional applications are installed as a result of dependencies
[20:49] <SonikkuAmerica> OK. (It just makes for a messy experience, is all)
[20:50] <SonikkuAmerica> I also noticed that Nautilus was replaced with Thunar.
[20:50] <SonikkuAmerica> (Guess that's an XFCE stock app anyways, Thunar)
[20:50] <zequence> Yes, we went pure XFCE with desktop package selection
[20:51] <zequence> SonikkuAmerica: I'd you'd like to help making the desktop experience less messy, you are free to help developing it
[20:52] <zequence> or, rather, welcome to do so
[20:53] <SonikkuAmerica> zequence: Well thanks for that. I'm good at conceptualizing stuff, but awful at actually committing stuff.
[20:55] <zequence> I think that's kind of a general problem with people :)
[20:55] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[20:55] <NickG> the tracker-miner-fs is giving a crash report on every boot...
[20:55] <zequence> NickG: check /var/log
[20:55] <NickG> I really don't want to do a reinstall, what could I do?
[20:55] <NickG> which file?
[20:55] <zequence> files like syslog
[20:56] <zequence> Xorg could be helpful too
[20:56] <zequence> NickG: I'd double check with another release to make sure it's not release specific
[20:56] <NickG> what would I be looking for in there?
[20:56] <zequence> then you know it's most probably the hardware
[20:57] <NickG> I never got this problem in 12.10
[20:57] <zequence> Well, that was before
[20:57] <NickG> yah
[20:57] <NickG> the syslog is full... like, thousands of lines it looks like
[20:57] <NickG> I am seeing this alot: Jun  9 08:55:38 nick-eME442 kernel: [55754.753790] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Test WP failed, assume Write Enabled
[20:57] <NickG> Jun  9 08:55:38 nick-eME442 kernel: [55754.760053] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed
[20:58] <zequence> is sdb a usb drive or stick?
[21:00] <NickG> pci_root PNP0A08:00: ignoring host bridge window [mem 0x000cc000-0x000cffff] (conflicts with Video ROM [mem 0x000c0000-0x000cedff])
[21:00] <NickG> Jun  9 17:53:07 nick-eME442 kernel: [    0
[21:00] <NickG> Sda is my harddrive, I don't have any usb in right now... Did find a sd card in its slot.
[21:01] <NickG> [mem 0x000e0000-0x000fffff] could not be reserved
[21:01] <NickG> a few of these, and a few interrupts
[21:01] <zequence> could be RAM. not sure
[21:02] <NickG> ugh...
[21:03] <zequence> I'd double check with another release, as said
[21:03] <NickG> Next computer I buy it will NOT be an acer...
[21:03] <NickG> I have no other installed... I got Windows 7 and 8 on my other two partitions...
[21:03] <zequence> if it's RAM, then it might be as simple as adjusting them
[21:03] <NickG> can I do a memtest?
[21:03] <NickG> or something?
[21:03] <NickG> when  I boot, grub gives me other options for ubuntu launch
[21:03] <zequence> That could be worth a shot
[21:03] <NickG> I don't recall what they are though
[21:04] <zequence> there's recovery
[21:04] <zequence> I forget if memtest is an option, and where. I need to do one myself
[21:04] <NickG> If RAM has the OS loaded... and then a ram allocation fails midway through computer use, it would cause computer to log me off?
[21:05] <zequence> You mean poweroff?
[21:05] <NickG> no
[21:05] <NickG> returns me to the greeter
[21:05] <zequence> ah, I see
[21:06] <zequence> I thought you had sudden poweroffs
[21:06] <NickG> I did once a bit earlier.
[21:06] <zequence> I guess buggy softtware sounds more likely
[21:06] <zequence> You did mess with user settings the other day
[21:07] <zequence> maybe try create a new user from scratch
[21:07] <NickG> When it came back up it let me log in, told me a bunch of stuff crashed, then a few minutes later, logged me off, i logged back in, it logged me off after 10 seconds, logged back in, 10 minutes later logged me off, back in now
[21:07] <zequence> with admin rights
[21:07] <NickG> I cleared the ./cache and ./config
[21:07] <NickG> Idunno how ot make a new user
[21:07] <NickG> wait
[21:11] <nickgermaine> urgh, it pushed me off as I tried to make a new user, but I just created with admin rights, and inside that one now
[21:16] <nickgermaine> I'm gonna go log off, and do the memtests if i can.
[21:47] <nickgermaine> Well, I noticed Ubuntu was switching hard drive mode from IDE to ASPI (ahci?  something like that) so i just changed that in my bios so it has one less thing to do.  after creating a new user, i didnt get a crash report on this boot.
[21:47] <nickgermaine> asci?
[21:47] <nickgermaine> no...
[21:48] <holstein> nickgermaine: ubuntu? or ubuntustudio?
[21:48] <nickgermaine> ubuntu studio
[21:48] <holstein> nickgermaine: whats the issue?
[21:48] <nickgermaine> well.  it kept logging me off at random intervals.
[21:48] <nickgermaine> and on boot i was getting crash error from /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-miner-fs
[21:49] <nickgermaine> and /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-store (i think it was usr/lib... or maybe usr/bin?)
[21:49] <nickgermaine> after my fresh install of ubuntu studio 13.04 ive been getting crash reports on boot, but haven't paid them any attention
[21:49] <nickgermaine> i always send crash reports tho
[21:50] <nickgermaine> so zequence suggested creating a new user, so i did, and it seems to be working at the moment
[21:50] <nickgermaine> did a memtest, but got bored 63% through, noted no errors in that 63% so im 63% sure there are no memory errors
[21:50] <nickgermaine> lol
[21:51] <holstein> it'll just run.. how long did you let it run? the memtest?
[21:51] <nickgermaine> for about 22 minutes or so
[21:51] <holstein> when i have had bad memory, i see an error within the first few minutes
[21:51] <nickgermaine> i just (esc)'d so it didnt finish but im sure thats not it
[21:51] <holstein> nickgermaine: you get logged out of the x session?
[21:51] <nickgermaine> its only ever since 13.04
[21:51] <nickgermaine> yeh
[21:52] <nickgermaine> takes me back to the greeter
[21:52] <nickgermaine> happens in the xfce session too
[21:52] <nickgermaine> and ubuntu studio session
[21:53] <holstein> nickgermaine: as a different user as well?
[21:53] <nickgermaine>  installed gnome, but couldnt get the fallback session working.  so i installed mate, couldnt get the themes to work so i came back here to ubuntu studio session (the one where the error was happening)
[21:53] <nickgermaine> no, on this fresh boot into the new user, no errors yet
[21:53] <holstein> nickgermaine: i dont think thats going to be XFCE releated
[21:53] <holstein> related*
[21:53] <nickgermaine> guessing corrupted user of something
[21:53] <nickgermaine> *or
[21:53] <holstein> nickgermaine: so, you reinstalled 13.04?
[21:53] <nickgermaine> nope
[21:53] <nickgermaine> just created new user
[21:53] <holstein> nickgermaine: ?
[21:53] <nickgermaine> and it seems fine
[21:53] <nickgermaine> when logging into the new user
[21:53] <holstein> i would think its in the user config then
[21:53] <nickgermaine> yah
[21:54] <nickgermaine> thats my guess, at least its working
[21:54] <holstein> you get a crash and get dumped out to the greeter
[21:54] <nickgermaine> if it does it again, as the new user account ill worry about it, but for now it seems good
[21:54] <nickgermaine> well, it would happen at weird times... could get in for 10 seconds, then booted me out, then 10 minutes, then it booted me out
[21:54] <nickgermaine> no consistency as to programs running, etc because the first one i had nothing running
[21:55] <holstein> well, likely what could happen is, you break that user the same way as you did the other.. and cause the same issue
[21:55] <nickgermaine> yah
[21:55] <nickgermaine> anyway i gotta run and get a tv stand, ill be back
[22:20] <nickgermaine> im back, and still logged in
[22:20] <nickgermaine> hah