[00:02] <Darkwing> littlegirl: welcome back :)
[00:02] <littlegirl> Darkwing: Thanks! Good to see you! (:
[00:03] <Darkwing> Yeah, been busy with Uni and I have my kids for the summer. :D
[00:03] <littlegirl> That sounds good. Hopefully you can still do a bit of documentation in between. (:
[00:04] <Darkwing> Yeah, I'm just trying to find the time lol.
[00:04] <ahoneybun> omg Darkwing
[00:04] <Darkwing> Yeah I know.
[00:04] <Darkwing> I've been on holiday lol
[00:04] <ahoneybun> lol
[00:05] <littlegirl> You have to wait until the kids are in bed and the homework is done and then sneak three words into a document. (:
[00:05] <ahoneybun> can we try to have a hangout soon?
[00:06] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: welcome back 
[00:06] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: If you're talking about a Mumble hangout, I'm still working on listening to that one you linked. It's LONG. (:
[00:07] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: talking to Darkwing, google hangout
[00:07] <littlegirl> ah, ok (:
[00:07] <Darkwing> Yeah... Maybe in 2 or 3 hours?
[00:07] <Darkwing> If tonight?
[00:08] <littlegirl> Hey, if I have {{{sudo command variable}}} and I want variable to be a generic template that the user knows to replace with whatever my instructions say to replace it with, is there a way of writing the command in the wiki?
[00:08]  * littlegirl probably worded that badly
[00:09] <Darkwing> INormallyLinkThingsTogetherLikeThis
[00:09] <littlegirl> For example: Replace VARIABLE with your name in this command: {{{command VARIABLE}}}. Is there a way of writing that in the wiki that's more appealing than what I just did?
[00:09] <Darkwing> paths would be /path/to/your/logs/folder
[00:09] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: I'm up for it tonight 
[00:09] <ahoneybun> if you have the time
[00:10] <Darkwing> Once the kids go to bed I should have some time.
[00:10] <Darkwing> But, what command would have user variables? 
[00:10] <littlegirl> Let me change that:
[00:11] <littlegirl> Replace NAME with your username in this command: {{{command NAME}}}
[00:11] <littlegirl> What I want to know is, how do I write {{{command NAME}}}
[00:11] <Darkwing> YourUserName
[00:11] <littlegirl> Do I do it like I did in the example, or is there a format for NAME
[00:11] <littlegirl> Ah, okay, thanks. (:
[00:12] <Darkwing> That's what I've always done. Seems to work.
[00:12]  * ahoneybun confused
[00:13] <Darkwing> My user name is david. so, it woudl be command david. But, anyone else would ahve to use their foo as a username in that command.
[00:13] <littlegirl> Okay, if it pastes into here correctly, I've got this, and KeyId is the variable that will change from user to user depending on circumstances:
[00:13] <littlegirl> Replace KeyId in this command with the code to add a key:<<BR>>{{{sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys KeyId}}}
[00:13] <littlegirl> Darkwing: Perfect. I want them to put their key ID in after they get it from an error message on the command line. (:
[00:14]  * littlegirl likes to roll around on the command line
[00:14] <Darkwing> cli is a way of life.
[00:14] <Darkwing> BBIAB
[00:14] <littlegirl> ok
[00:15] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: have you seen the trello page?
[00:20] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: what does that mean?
[00:20] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: What does what mean?
[00:20] <ahoneybun> BBIAB
[00:20] <littlegirl> Be Back In A Bit. (:
[00:21] <littlegirl> He's probably putting babies to bed. (:
[00:23] <ahoneybun> ok
[00:29] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Heh, how did you do the bulleted list inside a comment in Trello?
[00:31] <yofel> littlegirl: if you open a card, there's a button 'Add checklist"
[00:32] <littlegirl> yofel: Yeah, that didn't work out well for me. (:
[00:32] <yofel> what went wrong?
[00:32] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: under the checklist  click the add item
[00:32] <littlegirl> yofel: It added a new section rather than doing a bulleted list inside of my comment area like ahoneybun does. (:
[00:33] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Aha, will test it out in my welcome page. For now I'll do ordinary comments. What fun that Trello is, though! Very nice!
[00:34] <littlegirl> I'm starting to run out of steam tonight. Is it okay to leave something in the Doing section assigned to me overnight?
[00:35] <ahoneybun> yea
[00:35] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Should I create a card for the rewrite I'm doing of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic/ManagingRepositories ?
[00:35] <littlegirl> It's well underway. (:
[00:35] <ahoneybun> no add a comment for now
[00:37] <littlegirl> Done. (:
[00:38] <ahoneybun> well I guess you could use the card or make a comment
[00:40] <littlegirl> I added it as a comment to the Basic card. (:
[00:40] <littlegirl> Am I supposed to remove myself from a card if I put it in the Done column?
[00:40] <ahoneybun> ok cool
[00:40] <ahoneybun> I can do it if you can't
[00:41] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: love the comments btw very detailed
[00:41] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Thanks. (:
[00:41] <ahoneybun> yep :)
[00:42] <littlegirl> Cool - what fun that is. (:
[00:43] <littlegirl> Launchpad should copy what Trello did so we can use something like it as Blueprints. (:
[00:43] <ahoneybun> it's funny how this started with me just editing the images in the bzr on my desktop
[00:43] <ahoneybun> that would be cool
[00:43] <ahoneybun> now we have about 5
[00:43] <ahoneybun> well 6 if you count palasso
[00:43] <ahoneybun> yea 6
[00:44] <littlegirl> Ah, you mean pulling and pushing and playing around in DocBook?
[00:45] <ahoneybun> no just updating the images
[00:45] <ahoneybun> on my local copy
[00:47] <littlegirl> I still can't figure out how you did bullets inside your comments. It's not a checklist. It's a comment. How'dyoudothat? (:
[00:48] <ahoneybun> oh those
[00:48] <ahoneybun> thats when I check one of the items
[00:48] <littlegirl> Oh, LOL. (:
[00:48] <ahoneybun> yea
[01:01] <ahoneybun> I just love how we jumpstarted this project
[01:06] <ahoneybun> mzaza: hello
[01:15] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Sneak peek at what I've got so far: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5750228/
[01:16] <ahoneybun> nice
[01:16] <ahoneybun> 1. 1. 1.1 .1?
[01:17] <littlegirl> It will look fabulous in the wiki - it just looks awful in plain text. (:
[01:17] <littlegirl> Go paste it in and hit preview and then cancel after you see it. (:
[01:22] <ahoneybun> nice
[01:38] <littlegirl> Well, it's been fun, but I must go to bed. I'll see you tomorrow and finish up that page and continue working on the stuff in Trello. (:
[01:40] <littlegirl> Good night, all! (:
[01:40] <ahoneybun> swett
[06:53] <soee> good morning
[07:11] <murthy> hello everyone
[07:58] <apachelogger> xnox: pingy, assuming language packs are not on the ISO how does ubiquity find out which ones to install? and why would that not be working without network connection? 
[08:08] <xnox> apachelogger: some language packs are on the iso, those would be installed if match what's requested, otherwise after offline installation the desktop shows incomplete-language-support popup that open up language support to download remaining lang packs.
[08:08] <apachelogger> xnox: is that popup driven by language-selector?
[08:08] <xnox> typically though, one has internet connection and langpacks are downloaded and installed during the installation.
[08:08] <xnox> apachelogger: sounds correct.
[08:08] <apachelogger> because I see code in ubiquity to create a update-notifier note as well
[08:09] <xnox> hm.
[08:10] <apachelogger> oh and "match what's requested" <- that's based on langauge-support's pkg_depends file I suppose?
[08:18] <apachelogger> yofel: ping
[08:18] <yofel> apachelogger: hm?
[08:19] <apachelogger> yofel: did I mention that using the submodule based qt repo is a bad idea?
[08:20] <yofel> apachelogger: maybe not explicitely, but I figured that out from the frameworks meeting summary a while ago
[08:20] <apachelogger> ok
[08:26]  * apachelogger sighs at untriaged bugs
[08:38]  * Peace- sighs in menubar bugs with krita
[08:48] <apachelogger> ./builder:245:in `open': No such file or directory - cache/bzr/lp:~apachelogger/+junk/recipes/**.rb (Errno::ENOENT)
[08:48] <apachelogger> you'd think placing random urls inside in a file:/// url would be easy
[08:48] <apachelogger> BUT NO
[08:48] <apachelogger> this is linux...
[09:20] <Mamarok> yofel: any news about that QtScript package? I can't use Amarok anymore, crashes on every start because of that bug
[09:25] <apachelogger> testing packages are in his ppa but no feedback was given
[09:26] <yofel> Mamarok: I only got the raring PPA package verified which is in kubuntu-ppa/ppa now, anything else is still todo as I had barely any time over the weekend
[09:27] <apachelogger> yofel: does that actuallyf ix the issue?
[09:27] <yofel> apachelogger: markey said it does
[09:27] <Mamarok> is it? I didn't get an update for that
[09:27] <apachelogger> groovy
[09:27] <apachelogger> must have missed that
[09:27] <Mamarok> what should be the package version?
[09:27] <yofel> Mamarok: because I copied it just now, you'll have it half an hour
[09:27] <Mamarok> ah, OK
[09:27] <markey> yeah it's all good with the new package
[09:27] <Mamarok> will wait, then :)
[09:30] <apachelogger> yofel: we needs more patch regular patch review
[09:30] <apachelogger> -patch
[09:31] <yofel> apachelogger: well, we usually did that during UDS, that kinda went away... we should probably do a session at akademy and set some regular dates
[09:32] <apachelogger> even UDS was not regular enough
[09:32] <apachelogger> reviews should happen at least twice per cicle IMHO
[09:34] <yofel> ENOTIME?
[09:35] <Riddell> patch reviews happen during merges too
[09:35] <Riddell> I've got rid of serveral this cycle
[09:37]  * yofel wonders if someone's bored and wants to do some pre-packaging of kdeadmin and kdenetwork splits
[09:37] <yofel> Mamarok: published now
[10:04] <Mamarok> yofel: thanks, downloading
[10:30] <apachelogger> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/767786/
[10:30] <apachelogger> new recipe style
[10:43] <apachelogger> fatal: Du hast keine Referenzspezifikationen zum Versenden angegeben, und push.default ist "nothing".
[10:43]  * apachelogger blinks
[10:44] <apachelogger> yofel: kde:scratch/sitter/builder if you want to play with it
[10:44] <apachelogger> lp:~apachelogger/+junk/recipes has the recipes (though they don't do anything useful
[10:45] <apachelogger> also note that you'll have to change in builder: DPUT = false to true
[10:45] <apachelogger> otherwise it won't try to dput (also note the PPA var)
[10:47] <apachelogger> I think all that needs doing now is easily allow to ues the recipe branch inside the recipe
[10:47] <apachelogger> or we put the debian/ dirs in another branch, it's cached anyway so it would amount to the same work WRT atomic recipes
[10:47] <apachelogger> yofel: opinions welcome
[10:48] <apachelogger> IMO having all in one place is nice
[10:49] <apachelogger> oh........ actually one could use BzrCache.new(RECIPESBRANCH) in a recipe and CopyJob a subdirectory
[10:49] <apachelogger> doesn't cause much traffic anyway as it will simply try to bzr up the cache
[10:49] <apachelogger> looks nice in the codez and is fast. I'll put my money on that :P
[11:04] <apachelogger> yofel: oh and error handling on subshells is not yet implemented, e.g. if system("/usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends-aptitude") fails we want the entire recipe to fail
[11:05] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:15] <yofel> apachelogger: back from lunch, looking
[12:08] <fit> Hi there, will KDE 4.11 be available for Kubuntu 12.04 
[12:13] <Darkwing> afaik, the ppa will be available 
[12:13] <Darkwing> fit: ^^
[12:13] <Darkwing> fit: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.10.4 has the PPA information.
[12:17] <shadeslayer> fit: most likely
[12:21] <fit> thanks
[12:45] <yofel> apachelogger: I can't really do an in-depth review while I'm at work, but here something that's needed to maker pbuilder actually work: http://paste.kde.org/767948/
[12:46] <apachelogger> yofel: ppa?
[12:46] <yofel> apachelogger: pretty much anything needs pkg-project-neon-tools from that ppa
[12:46] <yofel> without that dpkg-buildpackage -S *will* fail
[12:46] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:47] <apachelogger> hard to verify against a packaging stack that does not exist though ^^
[12:47] <apachelogger> actually I mean to create pseudo packages for testing, didn't do that yet
[12:48] <yofel> Quintasan, shadeslayer: do you guys actually have something *against* moving the neon packaging stuff into *one* branch and use nest-part in the recipes?
[12:49] <yofel> if we batch the qt5 stuff together we might as well do it for everything else
[12:49] <yofel> although...
[12:49] <yofel> nope, that doesn't work
[12:49] <yofel> at least not with launchpad 
[12:49] <apachelogger> yofel: ?
[12:50] <yofel> apachelogger: well, I thought about keeping everything together, but then launchpad will rebuild everything when I change one package
[12:50] <yofel> not quite the intended behaviour
[12:51] <yofel> apachelogger: do you mind to keep the qt and kf5 packaging in pieces, just for consistency?
[12:52] <apachelogger> yofel: launchpad has nothing to do with that, we'd want different packaging for kf5
[12:52]  * yofel wonders how he can tell plasma to never get the keyboard focus... *-.-
[12:53] <yofel> apachelogger: well, I don't really want to drop launchpad for everything...
[12:53] <apachelogger> you cannot ever use it for qt5
[12:53] <apachelogger> using it for other pieces seems pointless TBH
[12:54] <apachelogger> also inconsistent
[12:54] <yofel> uhm, you do have a server to keep that running then? KDE isn't pariculary small. Esp. kdesupport, kde-wallpapers and kdeartwork
[12:54] <shadeslayer> ^^
[12:55] <yofel> we have to work around launchpad for qt5 and kf5, that doesn't mean the rest can't use it 
[12:56] <yofel> hm, then again, the traffic would probably amount to some ~50G per month
[12:56] <yofel> if it's run no more than once a day
[12:57] <apachelogger> lol?
[12:57] <apachelogger> kdeartwork sees like one change in 2 moths
[12:57] <apachelogger> eh, kde-wallpapers
[12:57] <apachelogger> and kdeartwork like 1 per month it seems :P
[12:57] <yofel> good point
[12:57] <apachelogger> only oxygen is a fat bstd changing all the time
[12:58] <apachelogger> and using xz that can be slimmed down for upload
[12:58] <yofel> that's some 250M, tolerable
[13:02] <yofel> apachelogger: what's your plan for the gpg key btw.? (it was nice to not have to care about it with launchpad)
[13:02]  * yofel would like to not use a passwordless one...
[13:02] <apachelogger> why not?
[13:03] <apachelogger> that's completely impossible
[13:03] <apachelogger> or pointless
[13:03] <apachelogger> given that then you'd have to put the key somewhere
[13:03] <apachelogger> s/key/password
[13:04] <yofel> indefinitely unlocked gpg agent? (if that's even possible)
[13:04] <apachelogger> why?
[13:06] <yofel> I was wondering how to safely pass something like that around if necessary, but I guess one could encrypt it
[13:06] <apachelogger> it seems very pointless to me
[13:06] <yofel> then nvm
[13:06] <apachelogger> if someone gets access to the system in a fashion that they could get ahold of the key they'd likely be able to twiddle with the script and/or the cache etc.
[13:07] <yofel> right
[13:07]  * yofel makes more coffee
[13:15] <Quintasan> \o
[14:16] <baltolkien> Hello
[14:16] <baltolkien> I have a problem with nepomuk with Kubuntu 13.04
[14:16] <baltolkien> Anyone can help me?
[14:18] <Darkwing> baltolkien: This is not a support channel. #kubuntu is a place for support.
[14:18] <baltolkien> OK
[14:18] <baltolkien> Thank you
[14:19] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:13] <ahoneybun> back
[15:15] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: you still on?
[15:15] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: jumping off for a bit. What's up?
[15:15] <ahoneybun> seems I always miss you darn
[15:15] <Darkwing> I'm not on much this summer.
[15:16] <ahoneybun> yea I know
[15:17] <ahoneybun> I was up till 2am waiting to do a hangout
[15:57] <juancarlospaco> :)
[15:58] <ahoneybun> juancarlospaco: hello
[15:59] <Riddell> hola juancarlospaco 
[15:59] <juancarlospaco> hello
[15:59] <juancarlospaco> standard python code monkey here
[15:59] <juancarlospaco> :P
[16:00] <Riddell> juancarlospaco: ooh want to help on kubuntu bits?
[16:02] <juancarlospaco> Yeah, its possible, already done some Qt apps like Ninja-IDE and Nuitka
[16:04] <Riddell> juancarlospaco: fancy a wee bug that niggles me to get you started?
[16:05] <Riddell> usb-creator-kde is full of bugs but what's annoyed me for years is how the image list doesn't select the one you just picked if you click Other and select one in open dialogue
[16:06] <juancarlospaco> its Py ?
[16:07] <Riddell> juancarlospaco: yep
[16:07] <Riddell> bzr branch lp:usb-creator
[16:08] <juancarlospaco> ok, no bzr, gonna try later
[16:08] <juancarlospaco> :P
[16:09] <Riddell> we also use bzr a lot in ubuntu
[16:10] <juancarlospaco> i know, i used more git, because needed github
[16:28] <ahoneybun> Riddell: hello
[16:29] <Riddell> hola ahoneybun 
[16:29] <ahoneybun> Riddell: how you doing?
[16:31] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I'm awesome thanks
[16:31] <Riddell> calligra done, kdevelop in progress
[16:32] <ahoneybun> sweet
[16:32] <ahoneybun> are you updating them?
[16:32] <Riddell> yeah, and merging with debian
[16:33] <ahoneybun> oh cool
[16:33] <ahoneybun> calligra is pretty cool'
[16:33] <Riddell> it's everyone's favourite app suite that is never quite good enough :(
[16:33] <ahoneybun> yea
[16:34]  * ahoneybun just found out he can use the scroll wheel in Windows 8
[16:35] <Riddell> mm, wasn't that added in windows 98?
[16:37] <ahoneybun> no
[16:37] <ahoneybun> what I mean is that I can do that for what touching the screen would do
[16:38] <Riddell> mm, not sure I understand
[16:38] <Riddell> what things can you do with it?
[16:38] <yofel> probably shifting that tile-view that win8 has?
[16:39] <ahoneybun> yes
[16:39] <ahoneybun> moving from left to right with the up and down scroll wheel
[16:41] <Riddell> there's plenty places where scroll wheel does interesting things in kde
[16:41] <Riddell> e.g. volune control or desktop pager
[16:42] <ahoneybun>  yes
[16:42] <ahoneybun> Riddell: see the trello lately?
[16:43] <Riddell> ahoneybun: nope, is it looking good?
[16:43] <Riddell> apoi: is there a reason for  vcs/models/projectchangesmodel.cpp to be GPL 2 only?
[16:43] <Riddell> apoi: cos that's incompatible with other parts of kdevelop (and KDE's licence policy)
[16:43] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I think so :) got about 6 people working from time to time
[16:43] <Riddell> s/GPL/LGPL/
[16:43] <kubotu> Riddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[16:47] <Riddell> ahoneybun: looks cool :)
[16:47] <Riddell> ahoneybun: who's olivier van der toorn?
[16:47] <ahoneybun> Riddell: yep!
[16:47] <ahoneybun> lordievader: 
[16:47] <ahoneybun> Riddell: lordievader
[16:47] <Riddell> ah hah
[16:48] <ahoneybun> he and littlegirl have been proof reading 
[16:48] <ahoneybun> littlegirl is currently reworking a whole page though
[16:49] <Riddell> excellent :)
[16:49] <ahoneybun> yes lordievader has been great at relating the docs to a new user
[16:51] <ahoneybun> Riddell: need a list of people working?
[16:53] <ahoneybun> the wiki route was the best ever
[17:10] <ahoneybun> Riddell: how is working for bluesystems?
[17:11] <Riddell> ahoneybun: much like working for canonical in the old days where we could all fit in one room
[17:11] <ahoneybun> oh 
[17:12] <ahoneybun> Riddell: the wiki route was the best idea
[17:12] <Riddell> ahoneybun: great, although we'll still have to work out a way to package it up
[17:12] <Riddell> but that should be doable
[17:13] <ahoneybun> of course but this makes it much easier for people to help out
[17:26] <lordievader> Good evening
[17:34] <ahoneybun> lordievader: hey
[17:34] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun
[17:35] <ahoneybun> yep :)
[17:35] <ahoneybun> brb/
[21:38] <hggdh> apachelogger: hi, just a Q -- should bug 1141191 then have the kde-baseapps task as invalid, or confirmed?