[06:56] <Jordan_U> ikonia: "if you are unable to see that I've provided him the answer - you really have no clue" could have been phrased with less hostility. As it is it sounds like an insult.
[06:57] <ikonia> Jordan_U: to be honest - I don't care
[06:58] <ikonia> the guy just told me to shove it up my ass
[06:58] <ikonia> after I helped someone and gave them all the info
[06:58] <ikonia> just because I didn't give him the exact telnet commands to use
[06:58] <ikonia> the guy has no clue - that's why he's not helping people and he's just told me to shove it up my ass for helping someone - I have zero issue in informing him to stop
[06:59] <ikonia> you're welcome to talk to him in PM and explain
[06:59] <Jordan_U> ikonia: And yet insults aren't appropriate in #ubuntu, and especially as an op you should try to be a catalist. Maybe stepping away for a bit would be a good idea as you're now also swearing.
[06:59] <ikonia> where did I insult ?
[06:59] <ikonia> and where am I swearing ?
[07:00] <Jordan_U> ikonia: I meant swearing just now in this (publicly logged) channel. And "you really have no clue" can easily be interpreted as an insult.
[07:00] <ikonia> I'm not swearig - I'm quoting what he said to me (paraphrasing actually)
[07:01] <ikonia> I'm sure it can be seen as an insult
[07:01] <ikonia> however it's a clear statement
[07:01] <ikonia> the guy has just moaned at me for not helping the guy - when he has no idea
[07:01] <ikonia> I've just explained that I helped him and if he can't see that he doesn't have a clue about it, after being told I'm blowing smoke up peoples ass
[07:01] <ikonia> and as you can see I'm still getting hassle about it
[07:02] <ikonia> so perhaps you should speak to him
[07:02] <Jordan_U> They're being silly, but as they've now said they're finished I think it's best to just let it be. I don't think anything productive will come from responding.
[07:02] <ikonia> they are not being silly
[07:02] <ikonia> they are being rude
[07:02] <ikonia> this is why I stopped helping
[07:03] <Jordan_U> ikonia: I meant sere was being silly for hastling you.
[07:03] <ikonia> I'm getting hassle of someone for actually helping someone with the right information, and when I tell them to stop - I'm now getting hassle of you after he told me to stop blowi smoke up his ass
[07:03] <ikonia> Jordan_U: no - he was being rude
[07:03] <Jordan_U> That too.
[07:04] <ikonia> Jordan_U: what is the point of helping users, if some fool who has no idea of the problem and solution just butts in and moans that you're not helping him and then is pretty offensive saying I'm blowing smoke up peoples ass
[07:04] <ikonia> which now - I'm not going to help, so the user can stick in limbo and seve can can making stupid comments blocking help and making rude comments to people
[07:04] <IdleOne> I scrolled back and I didn't see exactly where you provided an answer to the mail question.
[07:05] <IdleOne> it was kinda vague.
[07:05] <ikonia> really ? explaining him to use a telnet test and check the postfix logs to confirm deliver and to google the telnet test ?
[07:05] <ikonia> seems pretty clear to me
[07:07] <IdleOne> when he asked for the commands and said he is new to ubuntu, that was a clear sign he isn't able to find the answer on his own.
[07:07] <ikonia> because he had no idea, so I gave him the infrormation to resolve it
[07:07] <ikonia> and to be honest - if he can't google "telnet mail tests" he shouldn't be running a mail server
[07:07] <IdleOne> I'm sorry but I agree with sere. You were vague and rude.
[07:07] <ikonia> but thats fine - I'll return to not helping
[07:08] <IdleOne> I agree he shouldn't be running a mail server with his apparent skill level.
[07:08] <ikonia> it's not a problem to be told to bloke smoke up peoples ass - but it is a problem that I tell someone to google telnet mail tests after explaining that his current tests are invalid
[07:09] <IdleOne> I'll deal with sere and his use of language later.
[07:09] <ikonia> yeah yeah
[07:09] <IdleOne> right now I am concerned with how you dealt with him and the user you were helping
[07:09] <ikonia> yeah yeah
[07:10] <ikonia> I'm terrible for explaining that his tests where invalid and asking him to google the telnet mail test
[07:10] <IdleOne> Clearly you don't want to discuss what seems to be a bad attitude on your part. I'll drop it for now.
[07:10] <ikonia> which if that is so bad....no-one appears to have googled it for him yet
[07:10] <ikonia> IdleOne: discuss what ?
[07:10] <ikonia> IdleOne: and I've not got a bad attitude, I'm just not agreeing with what you are saying
[07:11] <IdleOne> you have a bad attitude right now and earlier with that user you were helping.
[07:11] <ikonia> IdleOne: please show me a bad attitude towards the user I was helping
[07:11] <ikonia> show me one line that was not helpful to the user I was helping ?
 ikonia: OMG how should i check it then
 shadej: with a valid mail test
 ikonia:  tell me if you know it please
 there are various tests, you can try to send mail with a telnet test, you can send mail and verify it with the logs,
 shadej: there are many documented tests on the web
 I'm not googling them for you
[07:13] <IdleOne> essentially you told him to google
[07:14] <ikonia> I gave him the info and asked him google the exact commands
[07:14] <ikonia> after stopping him wasting his time with his usless test
[07:14] <IdleOne> alright.
[07:15] <ikonia> utter nonsense
[07:15] <IdleOne> I'm going to ask sere to join here for a minute. Please step back and let me speak to him.
[07:15] <ikonia> I'm not interested in speaking to him
[07:15] <ikonia> and to be honest, I'll return to non-participation
[07:15] <ikonia> laters
[07:15] <ikonia> I suggest you google the commands and help walk him through it if telling him to google the telnet mail test is unaccapteble
[07:16] <ikonia> as no-one has googled it for him yet
[07:16] <IdleOne> tskorte: Can I help you?
[07:16] <sere> hello
[07:17] <IdleOne> sere: I wanted to talk to you about starring out words like you did earlier, it is unacceptable use of language and also telling people to quit being a jerk and calling them jerk for that matter is not acceptable.
[07:17] <IdleOne> I understand your concerns earlier but there was a better way for you to voice them.
[07:18] <IdleOne> I hope you understand.
[07:18] <sere> i do.. and apologize
[07:19] <IdleOne> alrighty, thanks for your time, have a good night.
[07:19] <sere> i just got frustated.. especially when it took me 30seconds to pullup the link
[07:19] <IdleOne> frustration is normal, but we can't take it out on each other.
[07:20] <sere> i agree and sorry again
[07:20] <IdleOne> no worries.
[07:20] <sere> thanks for looking into it
[07:20] <IdleOne> no problem that's what we are here for.
[07:21] <IdleOne> please make sure to /part this channel unless there is anything else
[07:21] <sere> im off to watch my movie... have a good night aswell
[07:22] <IdleOne> thank you.
[16:15] <genii> Ah, was the same guy that was posting the feces link another time
[16:16] <genii> "TakeADump"
[17:00]  * genii smacks LjL with the coffee urn
[20:42] <Pricey> Apparently there was some flooding but stopped before I joined.
[20:42] <jbroome> you mean joins/parts by LjL ?  :)
[20:43] <Pricey> No idea, I wasn't there. I suspect it was something equally innocent though.
[21:00] <genii> Yes, joins and leaves but not Ljl, was codepython777
[21:23] <LjL> you think this is troublesome for YOU? don't you think of ME, who now have to find out a) whether i was in ##fix_your_connection intentionally, b) if not, which channel sent me there? ;(
[21:25] <Unit193> umode+Q, depending on the client, will make it so you just don't rejoin the channel you were banned from.
[21:29] <LjL> yeah but i'm not sure that helps me finding out which channel it was very much. i guess if it's a channel i need, i'll find out soon!
[21:37] <genii> LjL: Just your ISP is bad, or you fiddling with connection?
[21:38] <genii> is the bot UNITDLG2 allowed?
[21:39] <genii> in #u
[21:39] <k1l_> no
[21:40] <genii> K
[21:42] <jbroome> yes, send guidelines to a bot.
[21:42] <LjL> genii: i was trying to convince my router of various things, such as that when italians say "20dBm tx power at most" they really mean 22 or so is basically legal too ;(
[21:42] <k1l_> not really sure if its a bot
[21:42] <jbroome> want me to kb or quiet?