[00:02] <madprops> would you name some advantages Ubuntu has over Debian as a server?
[00:11] <patdk-lap> well, if you look at the delay of security patch rollout times between the two, there is no comparision
[00:11] <patdk-lap> !compare
[00:12] <patdk-lap> !best
[00:12] <ubottu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.
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[06:13] <ruben231> hi guys any idea on this error when i restart the ethernet card somehow, thanks ------> http://pastebin.com/skRrbH3C
[06:15] <hxm> good morning
[06:15] <hxm> what is the difference between df and du?
[06:54] <ikonia> hxm: one is a directory listing the other is mount point, the man pages explain it
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[08:02] <vedic> Hey friends, I am trying to install Ubuntu 12.04 via USB stick (Unetbootin tool). Is there any way to do minimal install via this?
[08:03] <vedic> It does provide a way to update the install string but I don't know what to mention in that string to install minimal system?
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[09:01] <Yamakasi> Hi Guys
[09:02] <Yamakasi> I'm wondering if there is some centralized way of user management when you have server that you need to admin and let people login to. Would Ldap help me here ?
[09:14] <greppy> Yamakasi: probably.
[09:14] <Yamakasi> greppy: okay, but how ?
[09:14] <greppy> Yamakasi: that I don't know for sure, I've never set it up :)
[09:15] <Yamakasi> greppy: okay, you don't manage that much servers ?
[09:16] <greppy> not currently, just a handfull and not ones that have common users, besides myself.
[09:21] <yolanda> zul: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/quantum/havana/+merge/167230
[09:21] <yolanda> or jamespage ^
[09:27] <hexer4u> Hello! Anybody tried 12.04 VPS with namecheap.com? I want to setup a domain as main server domain and nameservers for it that can be used later on for other domains. Any pointers?
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[09:39] <pokds> Hello all, just a simple question, is posix ACL support enabled by default on ubuntu server 12.04.2 LTS using LVM?
[09:43] <xnox> pokds: LVM is not a filesystem, hence doesn't have ACL. The default filesystem on 12.04.2 LTS (with or without LVM) is ext4 which does support posix ACL by default.
[09:44] <pokds> xnox: ok I get it, thank you very much for the answer.
[09:44] <RoyK> posix ACLs have been supported for gods know how long...
[10:08] <rbasak> Supported, yes. But not enabled, if you mean user_xattr in /etc/fstab (AFAIK).
[10:09] <rbasak> (nor acl in /etc/fstab)
[10:19] <yolanda> zul, jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/python-quantumclient/havana/+merge/168396
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[10:38] <jamespage> yolanda, first MP tested and merged - second one needs a minor tweak but tested OK
[10:38] <yolanda> jamespage,the quantum one?
[10:38] <jamespage> yolanda, python-quantumclient
[10:38] <jamespage> the changelog date/time format is broken
[10:38] <jamespage> but the tests do run OK
[10:39] <yolanda> oh, i see
[10:39] <yolanda> missing 0
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[10:40] <yolanda> pushed
[10:41] <yolanda> https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/python-glanceclient/havana/+merge/168399
[10:41] <yolanda> another one
[11:23] <yolanda> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/python-ceilometerclient/havana/+merge/168413
[11:33] <Pac_Man> hola
[11:33] <Pac_Man> hi?
[11:43] <yolanda> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/python-cinderclient/havana/+merge/168416
[11:43] <Pac_Man> Hello, I have some problems with squid3 i do not know if anyone can help me?
[11:44] <Pac_Man> I want to mount a proxy server, to have free internet in my cell, I do not know if anyone knows, already configure squid3 but I do not know how to enable that supports the connection of the phone
[11:46] <Pac_Man> hi
[11:47] <Pac_Man> anyone?
[11:49] <Koheleth> is 12.04.2 LTS ok with php 5.4.16?
[11:51] <RoyK> Koheleth: AFAICS, 12.04.2 uses 5.3.10
[11:52] <RoyK> Koheleth: did you install 5.4 from a ppa?
[11:53] <Koheleth> yeah I can see its 5.3.10 just got a client who wants the latest release, would it make it unstable?
[11:53] <Koheleth> clients eh, never happy
[11:56] <jamespage> yolanda, not sure I get "RET=$($client -h 2>&1 > /dev/null)"
[11:56] <jamespage> I think that will always be empty no?
[11:56] <yolanda> jamespage, if that fails it should be failing
[11:57] <yolanda> the tests i mean
[11:57] <jamespage> yolanda, but I don't see how that detects the failure
[11:57] <jamespage> all that does is run the client and redirect all output to /dev/null
[11:59] <yolanda> if the call gives an error it should be sending output to RET, am i wrong?
[12:00] <jamespage> yolanda, not with "2>&1 > /dev/null"
[12:01] <jamespage> that redirects all output to /dev/null
[12:02] <yolanda> mm, so i have this in all the tests
[12:02] <jamespage> yolanda, you should really be checking the return code
[12:02] <jamespage> yolanda, yeah - I just looked at the quantumclient one again
[12:02] <jamespage> sorry - I should have spotted that
[12:02] <yolanda> i think i also have it in other merged tests, i was wrong then
[12:03] <jamespage> yolanda, this one is OK I think - https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/quantum/havana/+merge/167230
[12:04] <jamespage> yolanda, you do something similar when checking the python import
[12:04] <yolanda> yes
[12:04] <jamespage> but as you print output when it fails the test does fail
[12:05] <jamespage> yolanda, for the clients you need to check the return code
[12:05] <jamespage> anything other that 0 indicates some sort of failure
[12:06] <yolanda> jamespage, i tested that with the ceilometerclient and if the test for client is giving failure, it's giving error anyway
[12:07] <yolanda> but best way is to do something like that? result=$(command_to_test 2>&1) ???
[12:09] <jamespage> yolanda, no
[12:09] <Pupeno> Does anybody know about a saas third party service that would parse my logs and give me some info, like awstats?
[12:11] <jamespage> yolanda, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5751419/
[12:11] <RoyK> Koheleth: heh - I'd give the client a small VM for that use to avoid having to install non-lts packages on the server
[12:13] <yolanda> ok, i'll modify my tests for the clients. However, maybe by chance, but my checks were also failing if for example i use an incorrect option instead of -h, or i try to call an unexisting client
[12:40] <RoyK> anyone that knows if iscsi multipath can utilize all links for a single read or write request? For instance copying 50GB in or out of the SAN
[12:40] <RoyK> or is this implementation specific?
[12:56] <spidernik84> hello there. Any decent kvm webgui to suggest? Managing it via virt-manager over X forwarding is kinda... slow
[12:56] <RoyK> spidernik84: works well if you have decent internet access :)
[12:57] <spidernik84> indeed. Not so much if you are trying to reach a kvm host in Sydney... from Sweden :o)
[12:57] <spidernik84> and it needs many dependencies
[12:57] <RoyK> otherwise, perhaps try freenx
[12:58] <andol> spidernik84: Why would you do the x-forwarding, instead of running virt-manager locally?
[12:58] <RoyK> that's more of a remote desktop thing, though
[12:59] <spidernik84> andol: do you use it via ssh?
[13:00] <jpds> spidernik84: Yes, standard, qemu+ssh://hostip/system connection.
[13:00] <jpds> spidernik84: ie, virt-manager on your computer can connect to libvirtd on the remote host
[13:00] <spidernik84> in my case, root access via ssh is disabled on the remote host
[13:00] <spidernik84> it would be nice to use it. I guess I just need to add the right groups
[13:00] <jpds> spidernik84: Doesn't have to be root, just has to be a user in the libvirtd group.
[13:02] <spidernik84> do you see any limitation in virt-manager? Would you consider it enough for vm administration?
[13:03] <jpds> spidernik84: Decide that for yourself. :)
[13:03] <spidernik84> :)
[13:03] <jpds> Does everything I need it to do.
[13:04] <spidernik84> jpds, perfect, thanks
[13:04] <spidernik84> still kinda slow but I guess it's not really its fault
[13:04] <spidernik84> more a connection speed
[13:05] <andol> spidernik84: You couldn't find anywhere further away from Sweden than Sydney to place the servers? :-)
[13:06] <spidernik84> :D
[13:06] <spidernik84> it's doing some cdn-like stuff
[13:06] <spidernik84> so it needs to be close to our australian customers :P
[13:10] <andol> spidernik84: Yeah, that is kind of hard to get around :)
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[13:14] <yolanda> jamespage, i updated client: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/python-novaclient/havana_client_fix/+merge/168436
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[13:54] <yolanda> jamespage, another one: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/python-keystoneclient/havana_client_fix/+merge/168457
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[14:17] <zul> jamespage:  http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/ca/
[14:23] <jamespage> zul: +1
[14:24] <jamespage> yolanda, sorry - not had time to look at your MP's yet
[14:24] <jamespage> zul, can you pick some up?
[14:24] <zul> jamespage:  sure
[14:24] <yolanda> lots of mps in queue :)
[14:31] <codepython777> salt/puppet/chef/...? Which is the easiest to learn and use?
[14:38] <zul> jamespage:  can we let havana-1 bake in the cloud-archive until thursday and push it out?
[14:38] <zul> i mean in the ppa
[14:38] <jamespage> zul, yeah I guess so
[14:39] <jamespage> we can pre-flight it before pushing to proposed
[14:39] <zul> jamespage:  yeah i dont expect anyone to use it
[15:25] <yolanda> zul https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/python-glanceclient/havana/+merge/168399
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[16:34] <smoser> utlemming, on azure.... do you happen to know what might be running 'start networking' ?
[16:34] <utlemming> smoser: the images are configured to autostart eth0
[16:35] <smoser> how?
[16:35] <utlemming> smoser: look in /etc/network/interfaces
[16:35] <utlemming> "auto eth0"
[16:36] <smoser> right. but nothing should run 'start networking'
[16:37] <smoser> but something is
[16:39] <utlemming> why do you say so?
[16:40] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5752208/
[16:41] <smoser> can i get console (ttyS0) output on those ?
[16:41] <utlemming> yup, call MS support
[16:42] <smoser> hyperscale!
[16:44] <utlemming> lol
[16:49] <smoser> this is part of why it takes 120 seconds to come up on boot
[16:49] <smoser> as seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/walinuxagent/+bug/1189521
[16:49] <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1189521 in walinuxagent "ifdown thinks interface is not up" [Undecided,New]
[16:54] <utlemming> smoser: ack, digging on this
[16:54] <smoser> so, i'm not sure why networking gets run.
[16:55] <smoser> but it takes 2 minutes to boot because dhclient fails on the dhcp response
[16:57] <utlemming> smoser: I'm firing up a precise instance to see if that is the story there too.
[16:58] <utlemming> smoser: RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[16:58] <utlemming> smoser: that is from /var/log/upstart/networking.log
[16:58] <smoser> well, thats because it does.
[16:58] <smoser> :)
[16:59] <utlemming> smoser: here's a potential working hyptothesis: walinuxagent starts on runlevel 2. It setups up its own DHCP client listening on port 63. If the agent and dhclient try to run at the same time, that could cause the failure.
[17:00] <utlemming> smoser: also of note, 12.04 instances _have_ dhclient running.
[17:00] <smoser> the agent's dhclient shouldnt affect anything really.
[17:00] <utlemming> if both bind attempt to bind on port 68?
[17:00] <smoser> and as seen in /var/log/network-interface-eth0.log, dhclient fails well before walinux runs
[17:02] <smoser> so i'm pretty sure that waagent's dhcp is what is actually bringing up networking (such that you can ssh in), but i'm not sure what is running 'start networking'
[17:03] <utlemming> smoser: I just don't know where in the code that could be happening
[17:04] <smoser> i dont know either.
[17:04]  * smoser tried to ocnfigure my 13.10 with statick networking (rather than dhcp) and it seems DOA
[17:11] <utlemming> smoser: on my instance I see a 15 second difference between when the agent did its work the networking started. After putting a comment, I can see that the DHCP socket for the agent should have closed 14 seconds before the networking start was issued. So my hypothesis, as you stated, is wrong
[17:11] <smoser> i tihnk something down the failsafe path is doing it
[17:11] <smoser> but i dont know what
[17:14] <utlemming> smoser: bingo. See line 1739 http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[17:14] <utlemming> smoser: If I am following the code right, it flaps the connection a few times
[17:14] <smoser> pastebinit failed :)
[17:14] <smoser> or your copy and paste did
[17:14] <utlemming> smoser: user error, try http://paste.ubuntu.com/5752320/
[17:15] <smoser> but that actually shouldn't cause 'networking' job to run
[17:15] <utlemming> smoser: the first call is at line 2473, which does a flap for no reason, other than to give the instance a name of 'localhost.localdomain'
[17:16] <utlemming> smoser: right...and it doesn't explain why the if status shows down
[17:17] <smoser> well, if shows down because dhclient failed
[17:17] <smoser> its a stupid state
[17:17] <smoser> it just knows that *it* didn't bring it up
[17:17] <smoser> so its down from its perspective
[17:17] <smoser> (well, it tried and it failed)
[17:19] <hallyn> anyone know what scratchbox-devkit-qemu is?
[17:20] <smoser> Scratchbox is a framework to help developers with cross-compilation of Linux software
[17:21] <smoser> (but other than that, no)
[17:21] <hallyn> interesting - thanks
[17:21] <adam_g_> zul, any chance you can take a look at the 2013.1.2 grizzly branch update proposals?
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[17:22] <zul> adam_g_:  sure url?
[17:23] <adam_g_> zul, https://code.launchpad.net/~openstack-ubuntu-testing/+activereviews
[17:25] <zul> adam_g_:  done
[17:26] <adam_g_> zul, okay thanks.
[17:26] <utlemming> smoser: I think that this might be a bug in the lease time. Doing a "ip addr del ... dev eth0 & restart networking" yield a message about "Unable to set up timer: out of range". Googling this, I found https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=789601
[17:26] <uvirtbot> utlemming: Error: Could not parse XML returned by bugzilla.redhat.com: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
[17:26] <smoser> utlemming, right
[17:26] <utlemming> smoser: it looks this might be the insanely long lese time
[17:26] <utlemming> er, lease time
[17:26] <smoser> that "out of range" is why it fails
[17:26] <smoser> (well, the first time. i'm not sure if its that our the route-exists the second time)
[17:26] <smoser> but it doesn't really matter
[17:30] <smoser> utlemming, http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=30874&seqNum=3
[17:30] <smoser> that, paired with /var/log/dhcp/dhclient.eth0.leases having:
[17:30] <smoser>   renew 4 2149/07/17 23:25:05;
[17:30] <smoser>   rebind 4 2149/07/17 23:25:05;
[17:30] <smoser>   expire 4 2149/07/17 23:25:05;
[17:31] <smoser> makes me suspect a off-by-one(ish) error
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[17:31] <utlemming> yeah, the max lease should be 2048/07/17
[17:32] <utlemming> so then, obviously I file a ticket with MS....do we need to do something in the meantime? I am curious why this works on 12.04 and not in 13.04
[17:32] <smoser> well
[17:32] <smoser> $ date --date="now + $(echo "2^32 - 2" | bc) seconds" --utc
[17:32] <smoser> Fri Jul 18 00:00:36 UTC 2149
[17:33] <utlemming> per your link, the max lease is roughly 135 years
[17:33] <smoser> so its very close to right.
[17:33] <smoser> well, either that guy's math or bc's is wrong
[17:33] <smoser> and between the two of them, i trust bc
[17:33] <smoser> (and gnu date)
[17:33] <utlemming> right
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[18:14] <utlemming> smoser: I just applied, build and tested the RH bug fix, and this is a match.
[18:14] <utlemming> smoser: I'm uploading my tree now, and it look like this will need SRU review
[18:23] <luminous> hello! if you add an init/upstart script to /etc/init/foo.conf - do you need to do anything else before you can "start foo" ?
[18:30] <utlemming> smoser: I just proposed a merge for the DHCP fix.
[18:32] <smoser> utlemming, lets open a specific bug for that
[18:32] <smoser> as the one i opened has many other things. to sort out.
[18:36] <utlemming> smoser: already did :)
[18:36] <utlemming> smoser: Bug 1189571
[18:36] <smoser> number?
[18:36] <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1189571 in isc-dhcp "isc-dhcp client "Unable to set up timer: out of range" caused by bad 64_bit timer" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1189571
[18:37] <utlemming> smoser: I tested the fix...and I have a MP out for Saucy
[18:39] <smoser> utlemming, put a patch header in
[18:39] <smoser> dep 3
[18:40] <utlemming> smoser: on it
[18:49] <utlemming> smoser: uploaded with patch header
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[19:04] <smoser> utlemming, that improves booth time by like 4 minutes
[19:16] <chadmandoo> Hey all.  I have a question regarding the best way to implement a mail server.  I have some website I am hosting ona  self managed server but I understand the issue with spam.  I am wanting to possibly redirect my mail to a known server for relay.  What is the best way of doing this?  I have looked into using postfix + gmail
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[19:47] <utlemming> smoser: can you confirm the fix in the LP bug?
[19:48] <RoyK> this one is rather ugly bug 1189567
[19:48] <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1189567 in xfsprogs "xfs_repair fails to repair filesystem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1189567
[19:50] <smoser> utlemming, it is confirmed...
[19:50] <utlemming> thank you kindly
[19:51] <smoser> i will upload shortly
[19:51] <smoser> to saucy
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[20:05] <smoser> utlemming, its kind of nice to reboot a system nad have it come back in 30 seconds rather than 4 mintues ;)
[20:06] <utlemming> smoser: I am frankly really surprised this hasn't been an issue yet, but I am definately happy that they are faster boots
[20:08] <utlemming> smoser: after the upload, it should land in the next daily for saucy. I'll verify the fix in the next daily, and then proceed to get that SRU'd
[20:08] <smoser> i just uploaded
[20:09] <utlemming> smoser: ack
[20:09] <smoser> i made a white space change in yoru patch.
[20:09] <smoser> and removed the in-file reference to redhat bug
[20:10] <smoser> basically just re-using verbatum fedora's patch
[20:10] <smoser> (you had whitespace indentation rather than tab)
[20:15] <utlemming> smoser: oh, thanks
[20:39] <jacobw> !ops
[20:39] <ubottu> Help! Channel emergency! soren, lamont, mathiaz, Pici, Daviey, Tm_T or pmatulis
[20:39] <soren> 'sup?
[20:39] <soren> jacobw: ?
[20:40] <jacobw> Max SendQ exceed * many
[20:40] <jacobw> Just, not right now :|
[20:41]  * soren crawls back under his rock
[21:00]  * hallyn waves toward soren's rock
[21:03] <smoser> utlemming, bug 1189571 is relavent to 12.04, no?
[21:03] <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1189571 in isc-dhcp "isc-dhcp client "Unable to set up timer: out of range" caused by bad 64_bit timer" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1189571
[21:04] <utlemming> smoser: negative. I confirmed that it doesn not affect 12.04 or 12.10
[21:04] <smoser> that seems unlikely, dont you think ?
[21:05] <utlemming> smoser: that's what I thought....I checked on a new instance of each
[21:05] <utlemming> smoser: I'll throw up another pair now
[21:05] <utlemming> smoser: I'll use the latest dailies for that
[21:07] <smoser> utlemming, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp
[21:07] <smoser> it would seem like it would *have* to affect quantal
[21:07] <smoser> (ie, same usptream version 4.2.4)
[21:08] <utlemming> smoser: yeah....looks that way
[21:08] <smoser> i hvae to run.
[21:09] <utlemming> smoser: you're right, looks like I started two precise instance, so it does affect 12.10 too
[21:17] <genii> Hm. Only Precise and Saucy images now in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/  ? I wanted to wget 13.04 but it doesn't work with the redirection URLs at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server
[21:28] <diegobiavati> test
[21:29] <sarnold> diegobiavati: irc tends to be quiet until someone has something to say.. :)
[21:36]  * genii just downloads Saucy instead
[21:36] <genii> ( since I'm trying to test Hockeypuck which doesn't come in Precise )
[22:46] <Slyboots> Evening folks.  Im curious anyone had any experiance with this new fs btrfs?
[22:47] <sarnold> Slyboots: at least a handful of folks here have btrfs in their testing setups.. I'm not sure it's quite production ready, but it sure looks promising
[22:47] <Slyboots> Mm, Im just thinking of using it in my home NAS but slightly confused.
[22:47] <Slyboots> I take it you use brfs instead of mdadm for a RAID/LVM
[22:47] <Slyboots> And *not* on top of those
[22:48] <xnox> Slyboots: correct.
[22:48] <Slyboots> Bugger, going to have to start again then heh..
[22:49] <xnox> Slyboots: the installer doesn't offer out-of-the-box setup of raid levels though.
[22:50] <Slyboots> Im sure I can muddle my way though the setup
[22:50] <Slyboots> So brfs is quite like zfs it sounds
[22:50] <xnox> they are similar in many aspects/concepts
[22:50] <xnox> "class" / "generation" of filesystems.
[22:52] <Slyboots> Okay, Well I'll give this a good reading and a tinkering, I was just curiuos if people had used it and if its considered "Safe" enough for general use
[22:52] <Slyboots> I wouldnt put it on a production server of course, but I think for my home NAS it'll do the job :)
[22:54] <sarnold> excellent :) feedback from enthusiastic users is what moves it along :)
[22:54] <Slyboots> :D
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[23:09] <jcastro> I use it on my home NAS
[23:09] <jcastro> no problems
[23:09] <jcastro> just make sure you have a newer kernel
[23:09] <jcastro> I use a backported kernel for 12.04
[23:11] <Slyboots> jcastro, hm?
[23:12] <sarnold> jcastro: quantal or raring? .. can you recall off the top of your head what changed between them and precise?
[23:12] <jcastro> the updates to btrfs are in the kernel
[23:13] <jcastro> so you can snag either quantal or raring kernels for 12.04 if you want a new kernel but stable userspace
[23:13] <jcastro> linux-generic-lts-raring and linux-generic-lts-quantal
[23:13] <Slyboots> Ahh..
[23:14] <jcastro> sarnold: it's a huge version jump to each one
[23:14] <jcastro> so I just tend to run the newest
[23:14] <sarnold> jcastro: aha
[23:14] <jcastro> I used to run the mainline kernels but at some point the supported kernels caught up
[23:14] <jcastro> oh, and you'll need to build btrfs-tools from like git but it's just an easy `make`
[23:15] <jcastro> other than tha, no problems!
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