[01:02] <nickgermaine> hey, i can't sudo, I get this error in my new user account: nickgermaine is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[01:18] <madeinkobaia> Good evening or night to all :P
[01:22] <zequence> madeinkobaia: hi
[01:22] <zequence> nickgermaine: add the user to the sudo group
[01:22] <madeinkobaia> Hi zequence ! You definitively never sleep ; )
[01:22] <zequence> nickgermaine: but since you can't use sudo, you'll need to do boot into recovery mode
[01:23] <zequence> madeinkobaia: I just woke up actually
[01:23] <zequence> I usually wake up at around 4.30 or so now, but I slept a lot yesterday :)
[01:24] <madeinkobaia> zequence : Really ? witch time is it in Sueden actually ?
[01:24] <zequence> 3.24 right now. I suppose the same in Belgium?
[01:25] <madeinkobaia> Yep, I forgot that we're on same hour degre.
[01:25] <madeinkobaia> What's new last few days ? 
[01:27] <zequence> madeinkobaia: the guy who just logged out, Nick, is interested in working with php coding
[01:27] <zequence> so, the WP theme in other words
[01:28] <madeinkobaia> WP ?
[01:28] <zequence> also, we have cub (Jimmy Sjölund on the mail list) who is starting to work on tutorial videos
[01:28] <zequence> Wordspress
[01:28] <madeinkobaia> Ok
[01:29] <zequence> For the tutorial videos, he was wanting a nice intro cover, with place for text about the tutorial
[01:29] <madeinkobaia> Great, all that sounds good, in the way to enlarge our team.
[01:29] <zequence> Yes, start to feel a lot more active around here for sure
[01:30] <zequence> I don't think there's a big hurry with the tutorial video covers. Actually, might be nice to edit them, or re-edit them in time for 14.04
[01:30] <zequence> Or, we could use the G+ cover somehow
[01:31] <madeinkobaia> Ok, about "nice intro cover" feel free to send me a detailed request with specifications.
[01:32] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Ok. I'll talk about that with Jimmy next time I see him
[01:32] <madeinkobaia> Cool.
[01:33] <zequence> Now there are two of us from Sweden, if anyone is counting
[01:33] <zequence> Considering the size difference, we should have something like 20 Americans for each Swede :P
[01:33] <zequence> Ah, maybe not that much
[01:34] <zequence> or, maybe yes. Well, anyway
[01:34] <madeinkobaia> lol, fortunately we don't have quotas to respect :D
[01:50] <OvenWerk1> For those interested (I think they are both not here right now) I have moved kazam and recorditnow (recordmydesktop for kde) to the video production menu.
[01:51] <OvenWerk1> gtk-recordmydesktop was already there.
[01:52] <OvenWerk1> zequence: how many from China do we need then?
[01:52] <zequence> OvenWerk1: Don't know if we can count in all of China. Probably only Hong Kong, considering many variables
[01:54] <zequence> But finding ones way here is at least being one in 5 million
[02:23] <madeinkobaia> OwenWerk1 : In witch menu was recorditnow before ?
[02:33] <zequence> usually any item that is not in our custom menu show up in the "Media Playback" menu
[03:02] <OvenWerk1> it was in media playback. The change is commited, but not yet released.
[03:03] <madeinkobaia> zequence, OwenWerk1 : ok.
[03:03] <madeinkobaia> See you later guys.
[03:05] <OvenWerk1> zequence: our menu has web browser, filemanager, terminal and gedit at the top. This does not make sense for most other DEs as many of them put "favorites" or recently used apps up there.
[03:06] <OvenWerk1> Also, we already put an extra pannel at the bottom with at least some of those things there already
[03:07] <OvenWerk1> Should we keep those things up there?
[03:08] <OvenWerk1> settings should not be a problem, I can put it there and it just won't show unless xfce is installed.
[03:09] <zequence> How dows Xubuntu do it?
[03:09] <zequence> I kind of like having those applications there
[03:09] <OvenWerk1> OK
[03:09] <zequence> They don't take up much space anyway
[03:10] <OvenWerk1> I can probably do that by having the desktop files for them in our settings package
[03:10] <OvenWerk1> I am looking at simplifying 
[03:10] <OvenWerk1> so that the menu just works with as many des as I can
[03:10] <zequence> Ah, I see
[03:11] <zequence> Well, if there's a conflict, just drop them. 
[03:12] <OvenWerk1> There is nothing wrong with doing our showcase different from the rest. I'll figure it
[03:13] <zequence> I'm going to start using virtual installations in a larger extent
[03:13] <zequence> my server has 8GB of ram, but not that many cores atm
[03:13] <OvenWerk1> Xubuntu has different ones up there :) and xfce is different again
[03:14] <OvenWerk1> My server as of yesterday is a pentium 300 with 191 Mb :P
[03:15] <OvenWerk1> we lost two computers yesterday 10 hours apart.
[03:15] <zequence> That's really basic hardware
[03:15] <zequence> Are you getting a new one?
[03:15] <OvenWerk1> I had a 1.4ghz celeron for the server. I hope to get something better
[03:16] <OvenWerk1> My wife's netbook bricked as well. She will get a desktop I think.
[03:18] <OvenWerk1> I had the old MB around and it worked... but boy is it slow. Network traffic is ok, and terminal stuff like this. But accessing my mail or web site is slow.
[06:55] <zequence> Anyone have a Precise installation who would like to quick test the latest lowlatency kernel in -proposed?
[06:58] <zequence> OvenWerk1: I had a look, and the usb driver patch is in deed in the current 3.8 kernels
[06:59] <zequence> we should probably start doing audio device testing with each new release of a kernel, to make sure all work: pci, usb and firewire
[07:22] <zequence> had some real problems getting precise installed
[07:22] <zequence> finally..
[07:23] <cub> ??
[07:23] <cub> What happened?
[07:25] <zequence> I tried using a mini.iso, the netinstall, a bunch of times
[07:25] <zequence> two different ISOs
[07:26] <zequence> on virtual machine, as well as on my laptop
[07:26] <zequence> wasted a lot of time 
[07:26] <zequence> finally I installed Ubuntu Studio
[07:26] <zequence> that worked
[07:26] <zequence> There was a regression in the latest kernel, and it was really bad timing
[07:27] <zequence> I was just reorganizing my machines, so I had not tools to build it, or to test it
[07:27] <zequence> I had to do a quick update for linux-lowlatency on the three releases we have it on
[07:30] <cub> Aah one of those spending many hours to get back to square one
[07:31] <zequence> I hate it when one is wanting to solve problem A, but before being able, one has to solve an entirely different and unrelated problem B
[07:31] <cub> hehe
[07:33] <zequence> cub: madeinkobaia dropped by during the early morning. He said for us to send specifications on a intro page for the tutorials
[07:33] <cub> ah cool
[07:34] <zequence> I'm thinkin all we really need might be the text and the CoF (Circle of Friends)
[07:34] <cub> Any thoughts? I was thinking quite simple with the logo + ubuntu studio, title of the tutorial, & "This tutorial was made using ubuntu studio xx.xx"
[07:34] <zequence> I guess the G+ cover could be used. Just move the text
[07:35] <cub> yeah if one could move it upwards, also make it 1280x720 to fit the 720 format
[07:36] <cub> I made a mock up on my way to work, need to boot up that laptop though
[07:37] <zequence> Maybe we should call them "Ubuntu Studio Tutorials"
[07:37] <cub> makes sense
[07:38] <cub> what about the questions in the email thread about what apps to do tutorials for? Someone asked about Lightworks I think, or should we aim for "default" apps only?
[07:38] <cub> imho we should include other stuff as well as long as it has been tried out on ubuntu studio
[07:39] <zequence> We should only use free software as far possible though
[07:40] <zequence> Lightworks is not exactly free software
[07:40] <cub> true
[07:40] <zequence> Besides, we only need very simple tools
[07:40] <zequence> record the full desktop, do some simple editing - including zooming
[07:40] <zequence> not sure if OpenShot already has enough features
[07:40] <zequence> KdenLive should do the job at least
[07:41] <zequence> for editing, that is
[07:41] <zequence> I'd rather go with the simplest tools possible
[07:41] <cub> yes, but if someone has the time and want to use OpenShot and do a tutorial we could just include it?
[07:42] <zequence> The simpler the tools, the easier for more people to use them. that's how I'm thinking
[07:43] <zequence> I've never added subs/text so don't know how that works. Would be great if we could create a template for that, and then it would be as simple as typing in the text for each sequence
[07:44] <zequence> So, we need a standard for font and fontsize basically
[07:44] <cub> me neither. I aiming to try one out and see how it's done. I haven't used recordmydesktop before either so
[07:46] <cub> I noticed that the preferred font for the web page was Droid Sans
[07:47] <cub> US doesn't include a ftp client in the default installations?
[07:47] <cub> a gui one I mean
[07:49] <cub> mock up intro page: http://www.sjolund.se/pix/tutorial-intro-pic.png
[08:02] <zequence> cub: I just sent madeinkobaia an email. also added the link to your mockup
[08:02] <zequence> I'm sure he'll come up with something that works well for us
[08:32] <cub> nice
[08:32] <cub> I'll continue today and try to work out how to add subtitles. t
[08:33] <cub> There's an advantage with voice over since you can write and explain waht you are doing quicker than putting everything in writing
[08:33] <cub> then again, you have a good point about the spoke english
[08:41] <zequence> cub: I think the visual in itself already tells you most of what you need to do, so subs would just enhance it by the use of correct terms
[08:42] <zequence> What you can't do with subs is give talks
[08:42] <zequence> Like, explain the motivation why you are doing something
[10:24] <cub> zequence, for the tutorials we talked about zooming in on specific details. I can't find a good way to do this. Have you done this before?
[10:25] <zequence> cub: No, but I'm assuming that it might be a necessary editing feature for many tutorials, when things get really small
[10:26] <zequence> Another just came to mind - highlighting. Like a square showing which button to press
[10:26] <cub> exactly. I've seen several that use that feature. But I can't find anything in recordmydesktop to do it and not in Xfce either
[10:27] <zequence> you don't need to any editing with recordmydesktop
[10:27] <zequence> just record it
[10:27] <cub> such highlighting can be done in kdenlive while editing
[10:27] <zequence> do all the editing either with openshot or kdenlive
[10:27] <cub> perhaps kdenlive will do the zooming as well
[10:27] <zequence> I would think so
[10:27] <cub> I just thought it would be nice to do as much as possible while recording to cut down on editing time
[10:28] <cub> like a keyboard shortcut to zoom in on the cursor
[10:28] <zequence> It may be a little hard to do that kind of stuff live
[10:29] <zequence> and get it right
[10:29] <zequence> Better just record, and keep things as simple as possible. Simple tutorials. simple instructions. Simple editing
[10:30] <cub> I'll make a try run during lunch today
[11:30] <cub> sooo annoying. I was trying to do a recording of setting up LEMP. But apt-get purge or through Synaptic complete removal seems to only work randomly
[11:31] <cub> so halfway through my tutorial something was already configured in a previous installation
[11:31] <cub> start over..then mysql didn't ask for root password. start over. Oh the php5-fpm directory was not created
[11:31] <cub> gaah, my whole lunch went by and still no recording. End of rant.
[11:32] <zequence> cub: I've recently started using virtual machines for things like this. You can take a snapshot of it, and return to it as many times as you want
[11:33] <zequence> virtual machines don't work all that well with realtime audio though, and a few other things
[11:35] <cub> I might have to start doing that
[11:36] <cub> strange though how a directory for the php.ini had changed since I did my screenshot tutorial on Saturday
[11:39] <cub> are you using Virtualbox then?
[11:40] <zequence> I've been so far
[11:40] <zequence> I'm going to give KVM a try
[13:32] <zequence> kvm can't start jack, at all it seems
[14:13] <ttoine> hey !
[14:17] <zequence> ttoine: Hi
[14:18] <zequence> How's the progress with the shop?
[14:18] <ttoine> zequence, I will do it this week, I think
[14:19] <zequence> ttoine: we have a youtube channel now. Nothing on it yet. cub is working on making tutorials for it (as will hopefully more peopl)
[14:19] <ttoine> my trial period is ending, and I will move this summer with my family. I will have internet at home again
[14:19] <zequence> https://www.youtube.com/user/ubuntustudiotube
[14:20] <ttoine> zequence, I know, I follow the mailing list. I will try to make a demo of mixbus with Kazam
[14:20] <zequence> ttoine: You are not staying where you are?
[14:20] <ttoine> zequence, did you get the credentials of twitter?
[14:20] <zequence> not yet
[14:20] <zequence> I still need to ask Scott for some other stuff too
[14:20] <zequence> I will make a list of all of them
[14:21] <ttoine> zequence, I work in grenoble, and my family was still in Lyon. We were waiting for the end of the trial period to move
[14:21] <ttoine> zequence, I would like to get the @ubuntustudio account for us. And I need the credentials
[14:21] <zequence> ttoine: Ah. That's tough. I didn't realize that. 
[14:21] <cub> I wondered about twitter, is there a twitter channel?
[14:21] <ttoine> now that we have @ubuntustudio.org emails, it shoudl be easy
[14:21] <ttoine> cub, ubuntustudio1, I think
[14:22] <zequence> ttoine: We have the account, but it's Scott who has the details
[14:22] <zequence> That's the picture I've got anyway
[14:22] <cub> didn't come up in a search but when I type the address it's there @ubuntustudio
[14:22] <zequence> https://twitter.com/ubuntustudio
[14:25] <ttoine> zequence, oh yes, hge did it alreday!
[14:25] <ttoine> great
[21:57] <Noskcaj> the xubuntu and studio links in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/#QA_related_teams are broken