ahoneybunanyone alive?01:29
littlegirlHey there. (:01:32
ahoneybunlittlegirl: hey there01:33
littlegirlI'm done with the rewrite of the page, but have a few questions before I can post it. (:01:33
littlegirlWhat is the syntax to include a TOC in the page?01:33
ahoneybungetting it01:34
littlegirlIf I have a note about something that's important, is there a special syntax for that so that it creates a special box or something?01:34
littlegirlIf I put a command in a page I use triple curly brackets. If I want to demonstrate syntax, for example, is there special syntax to create a box around the demonstration?01:35
ahoneybunnot sure I understand01:36
littlegirlI have this:01:37
littlegirlImportant: The contents of Personal Package Archives are not checked or monitored. You install software from them at your own risk.01:37
littlegirlIs there a syntax for an exclamation mark image or for a special red box or a box with a border or something that can go around that note or do I bold it or do something else specific with it?01:38
ahoneybunoh that01:38
littlegirlNext I have this:01:39
littlegirlLook for the location of the PPA in the 'Adding this PPA to your system' section. It will look something like this: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports01:39
littlegirlIs there a special syntax to put around ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports instead of triple curly brackets?01:39
ahoneybunright now we are just putting data, now we can format it better01:41
ahoneybunso I'm not sure about that01:41
littlegirlOkay, then I'll put it up as is and it can be prettified later. (:01:41
littlegirlHere it is - I hope you like it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5753492/01:42
littlegirlYou can paste it into a page and preview to see it or if you like I can just put it up and if you hate it you can always revert the change. (:01:43
ahoneybunis the information good?01:48
ahoneybunmaybe make the how to a bit like this https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic ?01:49
littlegirlDo you mean add graphics?01:51
ahoneybunI mean do we need all the numbers or do you think that is best?01:51
littlegirlNo idea. I've always done numbers because it shows a sequence of steps, but if you think it shouldn't have numbers, I can try writing it without. Would you want all the steps in each section to be one continuous paragraph like those in the Basic page?01:54
ahoneybunmaybe numbers would be better01:54
littlegirlI could try it the other way if you like and we can look at it. (:01:55
ahoneybunif your up for it01:55
littlegirlDo you want graphics in it, too? I've never done those, so I'm unsure if I have to upload those separately and then call them or what. (:01:56
ahoneybunI can do the graphics01:56
ahoneybunbut yea add them attachments and then call them01:57
littlegirlOkay, I'll leave out the graphics since you'll be doing them, but I can put a placeholder in for each one so you can see where they're needed. (:01:57
littlegirlIt's actually looking pretty nice even without graphics. (:02:11
ahoneybunI know02:12
littlegirlNot done yet, but here's what I've got so far, and it probably won't even need graphics unless you want to toss some in: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5753530/02:12
ahoneybunnot much changes though?02:14
ahoneybunI commited your changes though :)02:15
littlegirlLOL - they're only partial, hehe.02:16
littlegirlYeah, I'm not done getting rid of the numbers. (:02:17
ahoneybunwell I'm not sure about removing the numbers02:18
ahoneybunI think it looks ok 02:27
littlegirlOkay, here it is without numbers. Note that the ToC will look mighty frightening because I used level one headings as temporary place-holders for the graphics so they jump out at you: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5753580/02:47
littlegirlI also replaced "click" with "left-click" throughout the whole thing and fixed a missing period from one sentence. I made the same repairs to my copy of the numbered one if you prefer that to this one. (:02:48
littlegirlNo numbers. (:02:50
ahoneybunI like no numbers02:51
littlegirlI just found a couple of colons that should have been periods on the no numbers one. Fixed version here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5753588/02:52
littlegirlWhen you do the graphics, notice that one of them is a duplicate, but I didn't see any way around repeating it. (:02:53
ahoneybunnot sure what graphics your talking about02:54
ahoneybunI know02:55
ahoneybunbut like pictures of what\02:55
littlegirlEach level one heading tells you which page to go to and what to take a screenshot of. (:02:56
ahoneybunmaybe we don't need a graphic02:57
ahoneybunanywhere then02:57
littlegirlNo, you really do if you read the page and look at the text just above each one. It will help prevent confusion from users who don't know where to look or what to look for.02:58
ahoneybunI'm just wonder what they should be03:23
ahoneybunI should sleep03:27
littlegirlahoneybun: Okay, sleep well. I'll see if I can figure out how to do the graphics. (:03:27
littlegirlHey there, is there anybody who knows how to work with attachments on the wiki in here and at keys?04:57
soeegood morning06:02
shadeslayerRiddell: "No description available for kdev-python in ubuntu saucy."06:12
shadeslayerodd, control file seems fine06:13
shadeslayerLP just being broken I guess06:14
Riddellshadeslayer: I expect it'll catch up eventually07:48
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Riddelltariq: soo... e-mail? :)08:59
Riddelltariq: or should I get it started?08:59
apacheloggeryofel, shadeslayer, Quintasan: so what is the word on launchpad usage for things based on kf5?09:01
apacheloggerhave kf5/qt5 outside lunchpad only or all of it?09:01
apacheloggerand if former... using one branch per debian/ dir or one meta branch for qt5 & kf5 packaging09:02
Riddellapachelogger: I don't think I understand your question09:03
apacheloggerRiddell: because you are not working on neon :P09:03
Riddellah see you should put it into context09:04
apacheloggerRiddell: read your backlog :P09:06
* yofel has an update-apt-xapian-index process using 1G of memory, wtf?09:18
yofelapachelogger: what would be the benefit of *not* using launchpad for the rest? (except possibly chained rebuilds if necessary)09:19
apacheloggernot having to do deal with the general shittyness09:20
* yofel has no strong opinion on the branch matter, it's easy to split or merge later if required09:20
yofelreally? the recipes are the best working part currently...09:20
apacheloggerimporting git into bzr to use the recipes ... boooh09:21
juancarlospacoHow do I get the current themes default foreground color into a QColor object  ?09:21
yofelworks fine though... except for qtbase and others09:21
apacheloggerjuancarlospaco: qcolorpalette09:22
juancarlospacothanks, researching apachelogger 09:22
apacheloggeryofel: things that startw ith works fine and have an except in the middle sound wrong :P09:22
juancarlospacoI have made "glow in the dark"  widgets  :P09:22
apacheloggerjuancarlospaco: actually qpalette09:22
yofelapachelogger: well, *currently* things work, I'm just wondering what I gain by rewriting 150 recipes09:23
apacheloggerand if qt-project wasnt down for maintenance I could even give you a pointer :P09:23
apacheloggerjuancarlospaco: basically you get the qpalette of an arbitrary qwidget09:24
* juancarlospaco got a must_glow( (tuple_of_QWdigets, ) ) method09:24
juancarlospacowhen I mousever something on Oxygen I get a Cyan color, I dunno which one its that one on QPalette, lets see09:28
apacheloggerit is not09:29
apacheloggerIIRC that is entirely based on oxygen09:29
juancarlospacoits posible to query that one via QPalette ?09:29
apacheloggerprobably not09:29
juancarlospacooh, ok09:29
apacheloggereven if it was theme based it would probably be from kde's palette which has 300000 more options than Qt's09:30
juancarlospacooptions are good, lol09:30
apacheloggerwell, IIRC qpalette's abilities are too limiting in a desktop context, as you need window decoration colors and whatnot09:31
juancarlospacokind of have Nepomuk integration on Ninja-IDE  :)09:33
juancarlospacoHow to get the value from a KRating() Widget ?,  long(self.kratingwidget.value())   ?09:39
Riddelljuancarlospaco: is there such a thing as a KRating widget?09:45
Riddellnothing in the knewstuff class docs http://api.kde.org/4.10-api/kdelibs-apidocs/knewstuff/html/namespaceKNS.html09:45
juancarlospacooh, .rating()09:45
juancarlospacoNepomuk/KRatingWidget 09:46
juancarlospacothe thingy with 5 stars09:46
juancarlospacowondering if it takes Int()09:48
juancarlospacoawesome it takes int() which is cool09:50
apacheloggerwouldn't it be nice to use a sane language :O09:51
RiddellI don't think I've ever had to use long() or int() when programming python09:56
juancarlospacobut Docs says Nepomuk.setRating()  takes Long()09:57
juancarlospacoI guess its because its based on C++09:58
Riddellyeah the docs aren't rewritten for python generally09:59
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juancarlospaconot bad, its working https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VNsNSnO1VbU/Ubb1OhzEaXI/AAAAAAAADFg/uwoF57FqZsg/w1024-h711-no/temp.jpg10:04
Riddelljuancarlospaco: what's ninja-ide?10:10
juancarlospacoa Python IDE Riddell 10:10
juancarlospacoPyQt Libre IDE10:10
juancarlospaconinja-ide.org Riddell 10:11
Riddellidle not enough?10:11
juancarlospacoidle with TKinter ugly GUI  :)10:11
juancarlospacoRiddell: Ninja-IDE got KParts plugins  ;)10:12
juancarlospacoRiddell:  https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-s5s5vlJsdgE/UUWWr4vDNOI/AAAAAAAAChA/RbOTWPedsmA/w1743-h942-no/temp2.jpg10:13
juancarlospacoCoding while watching a movie, while reading documentation  :)10:13
Riddellmulti tasking10:14
juancarlospacohehehehe  has Kompare KParts too, and custom Profiler10:15
juancarlospacoKompare KParts https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-HJzc_vJsw5o/UVf-jOjyqYI/AAAAAAAACj0/GYEIB38GkaU/w1469-h980-no/temp.jpg10:16
apacheloggeryofel, shadeslayer, Quintasan: well, toss a coin or something and tell me what you want :P11:18
apacheloggerRiddell: do you have additional thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio-mtp/+bug/118227211:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1182272 in kio-mtp (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu 12.04 LTS should include kio-mtp" [Undecided,Confirmed]11:19
Riddellapachelogger: I'm generally against adding new packages to LTS updates so I'm not too fussed about it11:20
apacheloggerwell, we do it for x and whatnot11:22
apacheloggerplus the case made makes sense11:23
Riddellbut with lots more QA and that's just backporting not adding whole new packages11:23
apacheloggerI'd pretty much want my new android phone to work with my rockstable kubuntu11:23
Riddellyeah it's not a daft idea but if the l10n isn't up to snuff then it's hardly LTS worthy11:23
apacheloggerRiddell: certainly needs discussion11:23
apacheloggerworst case we'd be going for backports rather than updates11:24
apacheloggerRiddell: ./kio_mtp.cpp:        error ( ERR_UNSUPPORTED_ACTION, i18n( "Cannot copy/move files on the device itself" ) );11:24
apacheloggernot the most prominent string11:24
* apachelogger throws https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio-mtp/+bug/1189866 at shadeslayer11:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1189866 in kio-mtp (Ubuntu) "missing localization" [Medium,Triaged]11:25
apacheloggerI really need to do bug triage soon11:27
apachelogger500 unread bug mails :S11:27
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shadeslayerapachelogger: I don't have an issue with Qt5 + your ruby scripts, but why not use LP for kf511:31
apacheloggerdon't ask me11:32
apacheloggerask yourself11:32
apacheloggerfor all I care the script could git import and export to bzr if that is what you want11:32
apachelogger-> lunch etc.11:33
shadeslayerapachelogger: I can't think of a technical reason to choose one over the other11:37
shadeslayer( specifically for kf5 )11:37
BluesKajHiyas all12:03
murthyhello everyone12:19
murthyBluesKaj: hi12:19
BluesKajhi murthy12:21
Riddellhi murthy 12:24
Riddellmurthy: fancy doing some merges?12:24
murthyRiddell: hi12:27
murthyRiddell: merges? I can try12:27
Riddellmurthy: cool12:29
Riddellmurthy: how about kdiff3 to get you started12:30
murthyRiddell: I haven't done any merges before12:30
Riddellmurthy: https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html12:30
murthyRiddell: i am using kdiff for 2 yrs12:30
Riddellmurthy: work out what the ubuntu change is and if we want to keep it, if not file a sync request12:30
Riddellif so get the debian package and merge changelog and add back in ubuntu change12:30
murthyRiddell: ok i am on it12:31
Riddellhmm kdevelop doesn't build on powerpc cos okteta has some endian specific bits https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop12:37
RiddellI think an override it necessary12:37
Riddelloh ug, found a way around it but kdevelop is still cdbs so now I need to work out how that works again12:49
shadeslayerQuintasan: Plasma Active meeting?12:50
shadeslayerQuintasan: does Monday work for you?12:50
n8wi have got an intel that somebody around here is askin ppl for their experiences with the notification widget in kde 4.10.x13:46
Riddelln8w: seele_ was doing interviews13:48
n8wRiddell, ye that was the nick:)...doesnt matter anymore...thx 13:49
Riddellnobody doing ktp 0.6.2?14:19
RiddellQuintasan, shadeslayer?14:19
shadeslayerRiddell: Quintasan was supposedly doing it14:20
shadeslayerdunno where he got with that14:20
shadeslayerRiddell: I think the idea was to get it uploaded to Debian and sync it over 14:20
Riddelloh.. hmm... slow14:20
* Riddell packages ical 1.014:43
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Quintasanshadeslayer, Riddell: yes, I'm trying to get 0.6.2 into Debian since it's still at 0.4.014:50
QuintasanWe're running into dependency problems14:50
QuintasanRiddell: I can't make it faster unfortunately, some people are not responsive and I can't just upload there.14:52
RiddellQuintasan: you could just upload to kubuntu in the mean time?14:55
QuintasanRiddell: I think I can but not now.14:55
Riddell>apt-cache rdepends libical0 | wc -l15:17
murthywhat is the difference between a merge-build and debuild -S ?15:46
murthyRiddell: ^15:50
Riddellmm, don't think I know of merge-build15:52
Riddellmurthy: debuild -S will do a source only build of the package15:53
RiddellI don't know merge-build15:53
murthyRiddell: that i am familiar15:53
murthyRiddell: ok, i will try something15:54
murthyRiddell: one more doubt15:54
murthyRiddell: for a package there was only one file that was in conflict that is the debian/control file. All the fields from ubuntu was correct  which i selected for merging and none from the debian, so now what i put in the changelog?15:57
Riddellmurthy: "merge from debian, remaining changes:  - add foo in control  - remove bar from control"15:58
murthyBug #118994216:29
ubottubug 1189942 in albatross (Ubuntu) "Please merge albatross 1.36-5.5 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118994216:29
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lordievaderGood evening.17:11
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murthyyofel: as you know there is a setting in muon "show new distribution releases"  to check for the LTS or normal ones, how can this be done from a command line17:46
geniimurthy: If update-manager is installed, use: update-manager -c18:01
murthygenii: is update-manager a default package of kubuntu 13.04?18:03
geniimurthy: No18:03
yofelmurthy: by editing /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades18:04
murthyyofel: why does changing the muon setting affect the do-release-upgrade do they have a command config file?18:06
murthyyofel: command=common18:06
yofelmurthy: muon setting? are you sure that's not software-properties-kde?18:07
murthyyofel: "show new distribution releases"  in the update tab18:07
murthyyofel: ya18:07
murthyit is what you said18:08
murthymy mind was clouded 18:08
murthyI use to access from muon18:08
yofelsoftware-properties-kde edits that file. 18:08
murthyyofel: got it18:09
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