[01:29] <ahoneybun> anyone alive?
[01:32] <littlegirl> Hey there. (:
[01:33] <ahoneybun> littlegirl: hey there
[01:33] <littlegirl> I'm done with the rewrite of the page, but have a few questions before I can post it. (:
[01:33] <littlegirl> What is the syntax to include a TOC in the page?
[01:34] <ahoneybun> getting it
[01:34] <littlegirl> If I have a note about something that's important, is there a special syntax for that so that it creates a special box or something?
[01:35] <ahoneybun> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5753479/
[01:35] <littlegirl> If I put a command in a page I use triple curly brackets. If I want to demonstrate syntax, for example, is there special syntax to create a box around the demonstration?
[01:36] <ahoneybun> not sure I understand
[01:37] <littlegirl> I have this:
[01:37] <littlegirl> Important: The contents of Personal Package Archives are not checked or monitored. You install software from them at your own risk.
[01:38] <littlegirl> Is there a syntax for an exclamation mark image or for a special red box or a box with a border or something that can go around that note or do I bold it or do something else specific with it?
[01:38] <ahoneybun> oh that
[01:39] <littlegirl> Next I have this:
[01:39] <littlegirl> Look for the location of the PPA in the 'Adding this PPA to your system' section. It will look something like this: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[01:39] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpOnFormatting
[01:39] <littlegirl> Is there a special syntax to put around ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports instead of triple curly brackets?
[01:41] <ahoneybun> right now we are just putting data, now we can format it better
[01:41] <ahoneybun> so I'm not sure about that
[01:41] <littlegirl> Thanks!
[01:41] <littlegirl> Okay, then I'll put it up as is and it can be prettified later. (:
[01:42] <littlegirl> Here it is - I hope you like it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5753492/
[01:43] <littlegirl> You can paste it into a page and preview to see it or if you like I can just put it up and if you hate it you can always revert the change. (:
[01:48] <ahoneybun> is the information good?
[01:49] <littlegirl> Yep!
[01:49] <ahoneybun> maybe make the how to a bit like this https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic ?
[01:51] <littlegirl> Do you mean add graphics?
[01:51] <ahoneybun> I mean do we need all the numbers or do you think that is best?
[01:54] <littlegirl> No idea. I've always done numbers because it shows a sequence of steps, but if you think it shouldn't have numbers, I can try writing it without. Would you want all the steps in each section to be one continuous paragraph like those in the Basic page?
[01:54] <ahoneybun> maybe numbers would be better
[01:55] <littlegirl> I could try it the other way if you like and we can look at it. (:
[01:55] <ahoneybun> if your up for it
[01:56] <littlegirl> Do you want graphics in it, too? I've never done those, so I'm unsure if I have to upload those separately and then call them or what. (:
[01:56] <ahoneybun> I can do the graphics
[01:57] <ahoneybun> but yea add them attachments and then call them
[01:57] <littlegirl> Okay, I'll leave out the graphics since you'll be doing them, but I can put a placeholder in for each one so you can see where they're needed. (:
[01:58] <ahoneybun> perfect
[02:11] <littlegirl> It's actually looking pretty nice even without graphics. (:
[02:12] <ahoneybun> I know
[02:12] <littlegirl> Not done yet, but here's what I've got so far, and it probably won't even need graphics unless you want to toss some in: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5753530/
[02:14] <ahoneybun> not much changes though?
[02:15] <ahoneybun> I commited your changes though :)
[02:16] <littlegirl> LOL - they're only partial, hehe.
[02:16] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:16] <ahoneybun> ?
[02:17] <littlegirl> Yeah, I'm not done getting rid of the numbers. (:
[02:18] <ahoneybun> well I'm not sure about removing the numbers
[02:27] <ahoneybun> I think it looks ok 
[02:47] <littlegirl> Okay, here it is without numbers. Note that the ToC will look mighty frightening because I used level one headings as temporary place-holders for the graphics so they jump out at you: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5753580/
[02:48] <littlegirl> I also replaced "click" with "left-click" throughout the whole thing and fixed a missing period from one sentence. I made the same repairs to my copy of the numbered one if you prefer that to this one. (:
[02:50] <littlegirl> No numbers. (:
[02:51] <ahoneybun> I like no numbers
[02:52] <littlegirl> I just found a couple of colons that should have been periods on the no numbers one. Fixed version here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5753588/
[02:53] <littlegirl> When you do the graphics, notice that one of them is a duplicate, but I didn't see any way around repeating it. (:
[02:54] <ahoneybun> not sure what graphics your talking about
[02:55] <ahoneybun> I know
[02:55] <ahoneybun> but like pictures of what\
[02:56] <littlegirl> Each level one heading tells you which page to go to and what to take a screenshot of. (:
[02:56] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:57] <ahoneybun> maybe we don't need a graphic
[02:57] <ahoneybun> anywhere then
[02:58] <littlegirl> No, you really do if you read the page and look at the text just above each one. It will help prevent confusion from users who don't know where to look or what to look for.
[03:23] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:23] <ahoneybun> I'm just wonder what they should be
[03:27] <ahoneybun> anyway
[03:27] <ahoneybun> I should sleep
[03:27] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Okay, sleep well. I'll see if I can figure out how to do the graphics. (:
[04:57] <littlegirl> Hey there, is there anybody who knows how to work with attachments on the wiki in here and at keys?
[06:02] <soee> good morning
[06:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: "No description available for kdev-python in ubuntu saucy."
[06:13] <shadeslayer> odd, control file seems fine
[06:14] <shadeslayer> LP just being broken I guess
[07:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I expect it'll catch up eventually
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[08:59] <Riddell> tariq: soo... e-mail? :)
[08:59] <Riddell> tariq: or should I get it started?
[09:01] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer, Quintasan: so what is the word on launchpad usage for things based on kf5?
[09:01] <apachelogger> have kf5/qt5 outside lunchpad only or all of it?
[09:02] <apachelogger> and if former... using one branch per debian/ dir or one meta branch for qt5 & kf5 packaging
[09:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't think I understand your question
[09:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: because you are not working on neon :P
[09:04] <Riddell> ah see you should put it into context
[09:06] <apachelogger> pff
[09:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: read your backlog :P
[09:07] <Riddell> :)
[09:18]  * yofel has an update-apt-xapian-index process using 1G of memory, wtf?
[09:19] <yofel> apachelogger: what would be the benefit of *not* using launchpad for the rest? (except possibly chained rebuilds if necessary)
[09:20] <apachelogger> not having to do deal with the general shittyness
[09:20]  * yofel has no strong opinion on the branch matter, it's easy to split or merge later if required
[09:20] <yofel> really? the recipes are the best working part currently...
[09:21] <apachelogger> importing git into bzr to use the recipes ... boooh
[09:21] <juancarlospaco> How do I get the current themes default foreground color into a QColor object  ?
[09:21] <yofel> works fine though... except for qtbase and others
[09:22] <apachelogger> juancarlospaco: qcolorpalette
[09:22] <juancarlospaco> thanks, researching apachelogger 
[09:22] <apachelogger> yofel: things that startw ith works fine and have an except in the middle sound wrong :P
[09:22] <juancarlospaco> I have made "glow in the dark"  widgets  :P
[09:22] <apachelogger> juancarlospaco: actually qpalette
[09:23] <yofel> apachelogger: well, *currently* things work, I'm just wondering what I gain by rewriting 150 recipes
[09:23] <apachelogger> and if qt-project wasnt down for maintenance I could even give you a pointer :P
[09:24] <apachelogger> juancarlospaco: basically you get the qpalette of an arbitrary qwidget
[09:24]  * juancarlospaco  got a  must_glow( (tuple_of_QWdigets, ) )  method
[09:28] <juancarlospaco> me
[09:28] <juancarlospaco> when I mousever something on Oxygen I get a Cyan color, I dunno which one its that one on QPalette, lets see
[09:28] <juancarlospaco> mouseover*
[09:29] <apachelogger> it is not
[09:29] <apachelogger> IIRC that is entirely based on oxygen
[09:29] <juancarlospaco> its posible to query that one via QPalette ?
[09:29] <apachelogger> probably not
[09:29] <juancarlospaco> oh, ok
[09:30] <apachelogger> even if it was theme based it would probably be from kde's palette which has 300000 more options than Qt's
[09:30] <juancarlospaco> options are good, lol
[09:30] <juancarlospaco> :P
[09:31] <apachelogger> well, IIRC qpalette's abilities are too limiting in a desktop context, as you need window decoration colors and whatnot
[09:33] <juancarlospaco> kind of have Nepomuk integration on Ninja-IDE  :)
[09:39] <juancarlospaco> How to get the value from a KRating() Widget ?,  long(self.kratingwidget.value())   ?
[09:45] <Riddell> juancarlospaco: is there such a thing as a KRating widget?
[09:45] <Riddell> nothing in the knewstuff class docs http://api.kde.org/4.10-api/kdelibs-apidocs/knewstuff/html/namespaceKNS.html
[09:45] <juancarlospaco> oh, .rating()
[09:45] <juancarlospaco> yeah
[09:46] <juancarlospaco> Nepomuk/KRatingWidget 
[09:46] <juancarlospaco> the thingy with 5 stars
[09:46] <Riddell> aah
[09:48] <juancarlospaco> self.nepomukobject.setRating(long(self.kratingwidget.rating())
[09:48] <juancarlospaco> :)
[09:48] <juancarlospaco> wondering if it takes Int()
[09:50] <juancarlospaco> awesome it takes int() which is cool
[09:51] <apachelogger> wouldn't it be nice to use a sane language :O
[09:56] <Riddell> I don't think I've ever had to use long() or int() when programming python
[09:57] <juancarlospaco> yeah
[09:57] <juancarlospaco> but Docs says Nepomuk.setRating()  takes Long()
[09:58] <juancarlospaco> I guess its because its based on C++
[09:59] <Riddell> yeah the docs aren't rewritten for python generally
[10:00] <juancarlospaco> :)
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[10:04] <juancarlospaco> hehehe
[10:04] <juancarlospaco> not bad, its working https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VNsNSnO1VbU/Ubb1OhzEaXI/AAAAAAAADFg/uwoF57FqZsg/w1024-h711-no/temp.jpg
[10:04] <juancarlospaco> :)
[10:10] <Riddell> juancarlospaco: what's ninja-ide?
[10:10] <juancarlospaco> a Python IDE Riddell 
[10:10] <juancarlospaco> PyQt Libre IDE
[10:11] <juancarlospaco> ninja-ide.org Riddell 
[10:11] <Riddell> idle not enough?
[10:11] <juancarlospaco> idle with TKinter ugly GUI  :)
[10:12] <juancarlospaco> Riddell: Ninja-IDE got KParts plugins  ;)
[10:13] <juancarlospaco> Riddell:  https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-s5s5vlJsdgE/UUWWr4vDNOI/AAAAAAAAChA/RbOTWPedsmA/w1743-h942-no/temp2.jpg
[10:13] <juancarlospaco> Coding while watching a movie, while reading documentation  :)
[10:14] <Riddell> multi tasking
[10:15] <juancarlospaco> hehehehe  has Kompare KParts too, and custom Profiler
[10:15] <juancarlospaco> :)
[10:16] <juancarlospaco> Kompare KParts https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-HJzc_vJsw5o/UVf-jOjyqYI/AAAAAAAACj0/GYEIB38GkaU/w1469-h980-no/temp.jpg
[11:18] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer, Quintasan: well, toss a coin or something and tell me what you want :P
[11:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have additional thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio-mtp/+bug/1182272
[11:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1182272 in kio-mtp (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu 12.04 LTS should include kio-mtp" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm generally against adding new packages to LTS updates so I'm not too fussed about it
[11:22] <apachelogger> well, we do it for x and whatnot
[11:22] <Riddell> true
[11:23] <apachelogger> plus the case made makes sense
[11:23] <Riddell> but with lots more QA and that's just backporting not adding whole new packages
[11:23] <apachelogger> I'd pretty much want my new android phone to work with my rockstable kubuntu
[11:23] <Riddell> yeah it's not a daft idea but if the l10n isn't up to snuff then it's hardly LTS worthy
[11:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: certainly needs discussion
[11:24] <apachelogger> worst case we'd be going for backports rather than updates
[11:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: ./kio_mtp.cpp:        error ( ERR_UNSUPPORTED_ACTION, i18n( "Cannot copy/move files on the device itself" ) );
[11:24] <apachelogger> not the most prominent string
[11:25]  * apachelogger throws https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kio-mtp/+bug/1189866 at shadeslayer
[11:25] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1189866 in kio-mtp (Ubuntu) "missing localization" [Medium,Triaged]
[11:27] <apachelogger> I really need to do bug triage soon
[11:27] <apachelogger> 500 unread bug mails :S
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[11:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't have an issue with Qt5 + your ruby scripts, but why not use LP for kf5
[11:32] <apachelogger> don't ask me
[11:32] <apachelogger> ask yourself
[11:32] <apachelogger> for all I care the script could git import and export to bzr if that is what you want
[11:33] <apachelogger> -> lunch etc.
[11:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I can't think of a technical reason to choose one over the other
[11:37] <shadeslayer> ( specifically for kf5 )
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:19] <murthy> hello everyone
[12:19] <murthy> BluesKaj: hi
[12:21] <BluesKaj> hi murthy
[12:24] <Riddell> hi murthy 
[12:24] <Riddell> murthy: fancy doing some merges?
[12:27] <murthy> Riddell: hi
[12:27] <murthy> Riddell: merges? I can try
[12:29] <Riddell> murthy: cool
[12:30] <Riddell> murthy: how about kdiff3 to get you started
[12:30] <murthy> Riddell: I haven't done any merges before
[12:30] <Riddell> murthy: https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[12:30] <murthy> Riddell: i am using kdiff for 2 yrs
[12:30] <Riddell> murthy: work out what the ubuntu change is and if we want to keep it, if not file a sync request
[12:30] <Riddell> if so get the debian package and merge changelog and add back in ubuntu change
[12:31] <murthy> Riddell: ok i am on it
[12:37] <Riddell> hmm kdevelop doesn't build on powerpc cos okteta has some endian specific bits https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop
[12:37] <Riddell> I think an override it necessary
[12:49] <Riddell> oh ug, found a way around it but kdevelop is still cdbs so now I need to work out how that works again
[12:50] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: Plasma Active meeting?
[12:50] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: does Monday work for you?
[13:46] <n8w> i have got an intel that somebody around here is askin ppl for their experiences with the notification widget in kde 4.10.x
[13:48] <Riddell> n8w: seele_ was doing interviews
[13:49] <n8w> Riddell, ye that was the nick:)...doesnt matter anymore...thx 
[14:19] <Riddell> nobody doing ktp 0.6.2?
[14:19] <Riddell> Quintasan, shadeslayer?
[14:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Quintasan was supposedly doing it
[14:20] <shadeslayer> dunno where he got with that
[14:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I think the idea was to get it uploaded to Debian and sync it over 
[14:20] <Riddell> oh.. hmm... slow
[14:43]  * Riddell packages ical 1.0
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[14:50] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, Riddell: yes, I'm trying to get 0.6.2 into Debian since it's still at 0.4.0
[14:50] <Quintasan> We're running into dependency problems
[14:52] <Quintasan> Riddell: I can't make it faster unfortunately, some people are not responsive and I can't just upload there.
[14:55] <Riddell> Quintasan: you could just upload to kubuntu in the mean time?
[14:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: I think I can but not now.
[14:59] <Riddell> groovy
[15:17] <Riddell> >apt-cache rdepends libical0 | wc -l
[15:17] <Riddell> 37
[15:17] <Riddell> wibble
[15:46] <murthy> what is the difference between a merge-build and debuild -S ?
[15:50] <murthy> Riddell: ^
[15:52] <Riddell> mm, don't think I know of merge-build
[15:53] <Riddell> murthy: debuild -S will do a source only build of the package
[15:53] <Riddell> I don't know merge-build
[15:53] <murthy> Riddell: that i am familiar
[15:54] <murthy> Riddell: ok, i will try something
[15:54] <murthy> Riddell: one more doubt
[15:57] <murthy> Riddell: for a package there was only one file that was in conflict that is the debian/control file. All the fields from ubuntu was correct  which i selected for merging and none from the debian, so now what i put in the changelog?
[15:58] <Riddell> murthy: "merge from debian, remaining changes:  - add foo in control  - remove bar from control"
[16:29] <murthy> Bug #1189942
[16:29] <ubottu> bug 1189942 in albatross (Ubuntu) "Please merge albatross 1.36-5.5 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1189942
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[17:11] <lordievader> Good evening.
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[17:46] <murthy> yofel: as you know there is a setting in muon "show new distribution releases"  to check for the LTS or normal ones, how can this be done from a command line
[18:01] <genii> murthy: If update-manager is installed, use: update-manager -c
[18:03] <murthy> genii: is update-manager a default package of kubuntu 13.04?
[18:03] <genii> murthy: No
[18:04] <yofel> murthy: by editing /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[18:04] <murthy> checking
[18:06] <murthy> yofel: why does changing the muon setting affect the do-release-upgrade do they have a command config file?
[18:06] <murthy> yofel: command=common
[18:07] <yofel> murthy: muon setting? are you sure that's not software-properties-kde?
[18:07] <murthy> yofel: "show new distribution releases"  in the update tab
[18:07] <murthy> yofel: ya
[18:08] <murthy> it is what you said
[18:08] <murthy> my mind was clouded 
[18:08] <murthy> I use to access from muon
[18:08] <yofel> software-properties-kde edits that file. 
[18:09] <murthy> yofel: got it
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