[06:59] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:15] <popey> morning
[07:17] <brobostigon> morning
[07:17] <Myrtti> myh
[07:30] <popey> Morning
[07:30] <MooDoo> morning popey
[07:31] <brobostigon> just so everyone knows, if i seem in a bad mood, my gf broke up with me this morning, by sms.
[07:33] <popey> bummer
[07:33] <brobostigon> very, yes.
[07:34]  * brobostigon curses the existence of the mobile phone and the sms.
[07:40] <SuperMatt> oh hey, gotta congratulate canonical on all the features they added to iOS7
[07:40] <MooDoo> brobostigon: hugs :(
[07:40] <brobostigon> MooDoo: hugs, thank you, :(
[08:13] <mungbean> hang on , is xbox £600 or not?
[08:13]  * mungbean confused
[08:17] <apacheuk> hello
[08:28] <dwatkins> I thought the XBone was $599, which probably translates as it being £599 in the UK eventually.
[08:28] <dwatkins> if you compare other currently available products, we often pay about as many pounds as you'd pay dollars in the US for stuff.
[08:32] <popey> ps4 is 350GBP
[08:33] <bigcalm> What's wrong with a bit of string and a cat? Hours of fun
[08:33] <popey> haha
[08:34] <apacheuk_> cat6 or cat5
[08:34] <mungbean> i saw xbox pricing is £429 though dwatkins
[08:34] <mungbean> maybe thats a hobbled version
[08:34] <mungbean> just to set a baseline rpice
[08:35] <ikonia> popey: has that price now been confirmed on the PS4 ?
[08:35] <popey> it was in their announcement
[08:35] <dwatkins> whatever MS do, they can't take back the fact they tried to force always-on DRM upon the world, I'm pretty sure the XBone will sell very poorly compared to the PS4.
[08:35] <ikonia> I didn't think it had been confirmed
[08:35] <ikonia> compared to Microsoft's numbers today that seems good
[08:36] <popey> it was on a slide in their presentation
[08:36] <mungbean> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jun/10/microsoft-xbox-one-price
[08:36] <ikonia> dwatkins: unless a killer must have game comes out, the xbox is of little interst to me
[08:36] <ikonia> they appear to have built a multi-media-home-hum+games box
[08:36] <ikonia> rather than a games console
[08:36] <mungbean> if anything i'm more likely to get ouya type device, or steambox
[08:36] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22852723
[08:36] <ikonia> and at £430 that's a lot when I just want to play games
[08:37] <popey> price in the story and on a slide
[08:37] <ikonia> thank you popey
[08:37] <ikonia> I hadn't seen that
[08:38] <mungbean> i can't believe the console worshippers at these events
[08:50] <ikonia> worshippers ?
[08:51] <mungbean> wooping with joy, fawning and showing adoration
[08:51] <mungbean> did you watch the bbc clip?
[08:51] <ikonia> no, the flash movie doesn't work on my linux laptop
[08:53] <awilkins> Yeah, the only appeal of the XBone is if someone cracks it and it turns out to be a cheap PC for the money
[08:53] <mungbean> by design ikonia ?
[08:53] <awilkins> But even then, is it really worth it for all the hassle and having no warranty, etc
[08:54] <awilkins> Already have an i7 PC with 8GB of RAM
[08:54] <ikonia> mungbean: well, I've not installed flash plugin, so yes
[08:54] <mungbean> or chrome
[08:55] <ikonia> awilkins: the appeal of the xboxone is if someone forgets it's supposed to be a self facilitating media hub and remembers it's a games console, and develops some fantastic games
[09:00] <awilkins> ikonia, They could do that for a real PC and cut out the middleman. Basically the same APIs anyway.
[09:01] <awilkins> Unless they fathom some astounding use for Kinect
[09:01] <awilkins> Kinect was rather more interesting in the world of utility computing than games
[09:01] <dwatkins> ikonia: agreed, I might get a PS4, but definitely not an XBone
[09:01] <ikonia> awilkins: a console is a nice playing experience though and not everyone uses PC's these days
[09:01] <awilkins> ikonia, I think that's basically where Steam are going with their Big Picture project
[09:01] <awilkins> ikonia, A PC with a UI optimized for tellies
[09:02] <ikonia> dwatkins: both interest me, however the XBone (only just realised that clever play on words) needs some killer games to open my wallet
[09:02] <awilkins> Which is really what an XBox is anyway
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Corn on the Cob Day! :-)
[09:02] <directhex> you're making these up
[09:03] <directhex> ikonia, awilkins, i'm going to copypasta my console thoughts from elsewhere, because laziness.
 i'm going to wait & see, personally - i want to see a gaming experience which couldn't run on a 360 with the model detail turned down. something genuinely "next gen"
 the current generation, for me, was defined by Dead Rising, the first game which was impossible on ps2/xbox/gamecube
[09:03] <dwatkins> ikonia: for me, the significantly higher price, lack of reselling games and always-on Kinect mean that even if a game I really want to play is only available for the XBone, I'll be very unlikely to get one
[09:04] <dwatkins> Yeah, Dead Rising was a great game. I gather Dead Rising 3 is XBone only.
[09:04] <ikonia> the second hand game thing is unusual
[09:04] <ikonia> directhex: yes, I want to see something and play something that makes me say "wow"
[09:05] <dwatkins> ikonia: yeah, I was very surprised at that - they seem to have forgotten that kids sell 2nd hand games and use the money to buy new[ish] ones
[09:05] <JamesTait> directhex, I think *someone* is making them up, but it's not me.
[09:05] <directhex> dwatkins, dead rising 3 isn't "next gen" though. we already know dead rising is current-gen :p
[09:06] <directhex> dwatkins, i want the expanded hardware to open up opportunities for entirely new gameplay experiences, like dead rising originally did
[09:06] <dwatkins> directhex: oh, there's nothing "new" in this 3rd version? That's a shame.
[09:06] <ikonia> directhex: ok - you're running microsoft's xbox division, what do you want to see
[09:06] <dwatkins> yeah, next gen should mean games do something different, take advantage of the CPU/GPU grunt, networking etc.
[09:07] <directhex> well, too early to say. but i feel confident saying they could run dead rising 3 on xbox 360, if they ported it, without any significant change to the gameplay experience. worse graphics, sure, but same core game
[09:08] <dwatkins> I imagine GTA VI will be XBone only, as MS will probably pay Rockstar any money to have it on their console.
[09:09] <awilkins> I think the only real revolutions can come from peripheral hardware at this point
[09:09] <awilkins> Like the Wii
[09:09] <directhex> ikonia, imho the key "next gen" feature in both the ps4 and xbone is the quantity of RAM. let's take skyrim as an example - skyrim is what you get if you build an open-world game for a console with 206mb of game-usable main memory. what do you get from a system with 20 times that, in terms of immersive world?
[09:09] <ikonia> directhex: ok, I'm following
[09:09] <awilkins> RAM is OK but CPU is needed to run that RAM
[09:10] <awilkins> The more cubic game units you are running "live" the more CPU you need
[09:10] <ikonia> I'm going to make a retro request, make some good quality games that can be played with a simple controller, less human interface interaction
[09:10] <awilkins> Which could be a feasible use of the alleged Cloud Computing aspect
[09:10] <ikonia> I'd like to see quality old school style games with a moden twist
[09:10] <dwatkins> Bubble Bobble 3D
[09:11] <directhex> pong... 3d!
[09:11] <awilkins> Yeah, I like the look of things like Transistor for example
[09:11] <awilkins> Isometric 2.5D with interesting gameplay
[09:11] <directhex> awilkins, mono on ps4!
[09:11] <Laney> m0n0
[09:11] <awilkins> Mono? As in OSS .NET runtime?
[09:12] <directhex> https://twitter.com/SupergiantGames/statuses/340583864143577088
[09:12] <ikonia> I wouldn't quite say that old
[09:12] <awilkins> It makes sense, Bastion was Mono
[09:13] <directhex> ikonia, ultimately the games i enjoy most have a strong narrative - i like to be told a story. that doesn't mean cut scenes and stuff - but it does mean strong art direction, and a world inhabited by characters i should care about
[09:14] <awilkins> And you can cross-compile with Mono to native code, so it doesn't have to be a CLI running on PS4 to be developed in Mono
[09:14] <ikonia> directhex: I agree, to an extent, the bottom line is the basis of the game play should be good, rather than as you say nice cut scense.
[09:14] <mungbean> directhex: have you played dear esther?
[09:14] <awilkins> (CLI == .NET Common Language Infrastructure in this case)
[09:14] <directhex> awilkins, it is though. sony have a mono fork. it's the core of their indie offering.
[09:15] <awilkins> directhex, Looks like Sony are grokking it better than MS. Although I suppose they went through the pain with OtherOS
[09:15] <directhex> https://psm.playstation.net/portal/en/index.html
[09:15] <awilkins> Maybe they are in the "If you can't beat em, join em" stage
[09:15] <directhex> mungbean, i keep getting stuck within the first 5 minutes, which leaves me thinking "what the hell is this arthouse nonsense?"
[09:16] <mungbean> dear esther
[09:16] <mungbean> woops wrong window :P
[09:16] <directhex> awilkins, also relevant: http://www.scei.co.jp/psvita-license/mono.html
[09:16] <mungbean> it is described as "experimental"
[09:16] <awilkins> I mean, whale on EA, but I quite enjoyed Dead Space, and actually liked 2 and 3 better than 1
[09:17] <mungbean> "The status of Dear Esther as a video game has been contested by reviewers,"
[09:17] <DJones> Anybody heard of a webhost going bust in the last 10 days, a messageboard I use went offline about a week ago, the admins reason was that the hosting provider went bust and they were having difficulties getting it transferred to somebody else, just wondering which provider it might have been
[09:18] <awilkins> Which goes back to the "games with a story" aspect ; I really enjoyed sticking it to the Church of Unitology in the third one, carving their followers up with my plasma cutter like they were just necromorphs who didn't know it yet.
[09:18] <ikonia> directhex: zelda, secret of Mana, I'd love to see good "new" versions of that, but without things like Wii controllers, or Kinnet.
[09:18] <awilkins> "Hey, what do you know, cutting the limbs of PEOPLE works well too"
[09:19] <directhex> awilkins, i didn't buy DS3 - the idea of a horror game co-op makes no sense to me
[09:19] <directhex> also, every game witrh forced co-op is terrible
[09:19] <awilkins> directhex, I didn't play it co-op
[09:19] <directhex> ikonia, wind waker remake excites me
[09:19] <directhex> awilkins, co-op with a bad AI
[09:19] <ikonia> yes !
[09:19] <awilkins> directhex, It isn't forced, it's side-missions only
[09:19] <awilkins> directhex, So I guess I missed out on some shinies
[09:19] <awilkins> Wind Waker but using a mic in the controller
[09:20] <awilkins> Yes - to play this one, you actually have to be Not Tone Deaf (tm)
[09:20] <awilkins> Whistle the songs
[09:20] <awilkins> There's enough CPU power now you wouldn't even have to pause the action to think about what tune was being whistled
[09:21] <mungbean> does anyone have problem with firefox text tearing when slow scrolling
[09:21]  * awilkins uses Chrome mostly now
[09:21] <mungbean> rippples of lines etc
[09:21] <awilkins> Or Chromium
[09:21] <mungbean> disabled smoooth scrolling
[09:22] <mungbean> seems to fix
[09:22] <BigRedS> mungbean: I've not seen any
[09:22] <directhex> mungbean, x11.
[09:22] <awilkins> Smooth scrolling probably depends on hardware support
[09:22] <directhex> if it tears, it's x11's fault and unfixable
[09:22] <mungbean> its a rippling effect
[09:22] <awilkins> Which means an unholy mess of drivers and other software have to collude to make it work properly
[09:24] <mungbean> chrome is more busy on my disk
[09:24] <mungbean> chug chug chug
[09:25] <awilkins> Nyarrgh
[09:25] <awilkins> Pulseaudio : still annoying
[09:26] <awilkins> Mostly I think people who moan about Pulseaudio are going overboard
[09:27] <mungbean> pulseaudio caused my youtube to speed up double speed in chrome yesterday, and half speed in firefox
[09:27] <BigRedS> I haven't had a problem with Pulse for as long as I can remember now
[09:27] <BigRedS> and, generally, I'm annoyed by all software
[09:29] <Laney> grah ubuntu pastebin graghrhg
[09:29] <Laney> requiring authentication to download plaintext is the worst
[09:31] <awilkins> For me, Pulse has this one intermittent fault where it gets it's knickers in a twist when the audio breaks down a bit, and then you have to kill it and restart or all it produces is noise
[09:31] <awilkins> Happens quite often if you're hopping around in videos, for example
[09:32] <awilkins> Laney, I can see why they've done it, stops them being used as a general Naughty File Repository
[09:32] <Laney> I know why
[09:36] <awilkins> Laney, I find it mildly annoying also :-)
[09:36] <Laney> because I love having to manually copy and paste instead of wgetting |: :| |: :|
[09:37] <awilkins> Och, yes, things that use horrible auth schemes that wget can't grok
[09:37] <awilkins> V. annoying
[09:37] <awilkins> Like CollabNet Teamforge file download thing
[09:37] <awilkins> i) Needs cookie based auth so you can't use wget
[09:37] <awilkins> ii) Doesn't allow download resumes
[09:38] <awilkins> iii) Their datacentre is over-utilized
[09:38] <awilkins> So you have a 500MB download that takes AAAGES and then falls over after 480MB and you bite the table
[09:39] <awilkins> In the end we resorted to downloading the file to one of our hosted machines and then fetching it via WebDAV from our home folders
[09:39] <awilkins> But to download it we had to install a whole desktop environment and NX on the remote server because as mentioned, stupid cookie based auth
[09:40] <awilkins> Which wget and text-mode browsers couldn't grok
[09:43] <Laney> quality
[09:45] <directhex> urgh
[09:58] <Laney> grugle
[10:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:03] <Gary> morningz
[10:06]  * popey tickles Gary 
[10:06]  * Gary likes that
[10:06] <bigcalm> Morning Gary & davmor2
[10:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: hey dude
[10:50] <andylockran> morning
[10:51] <awilkins> Not for long
[10:52] <Gary> woot, almost lynchtime
[10:53] <dwatkins> good, I'm starving
[10:55] <mungbean> does anyone else have problems with monitors in portrait mode appearing blurry
[10:56] <Gary> I have a problem with everything being blurry
[10:56] <Gary> oh, I forgot to put on my glasses, oopsy
[11:01] <awilkins> mungbean, I expect they might be blurry - is it mostly the text?
[11:01] <mungbean> yeah
[11:02] <awilkins> The typographic stuff is all designed to anti-alias text on pixels in the normal orientation
[11:02] <mungbean> i suppose screens are not designed for sideways text?
[11:02] <mungbean> is it fixable?
[11:02] <awilkins> Dunno
[11:02] <awilkins> You used to be able to mess with the settings
[11:02] <awilkins> About sub-pixel rendering
[11:02] <awilkins> But I think it's one of the things that was removed in the great quest for not giving users too much control over things
[11:03] <mungbean> actually using windows atm on that machine
[11:03] <awilkins> Ah, well, ClearType settings widget
[11:03] <awilkins> Dunno if it copes with vertical pixels but that's your best hope
[11:04] <awilkins> Apparently not
[11:04] <awilkins> Only works on vertical pixel stripes ordered RGB
[11:04] <awilkins> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd183433(v=vs.85).aspx
[11:05] <awilkins> Maybe if you turn it off things will be non-smooth but non-blurry
[11:06] <awilkins> And apparently Ubuntu supports portrait model subpixel rendering
[11:06] <awilkins> http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1564089
[11:07] <awilkins> http://karpolan.com/software/cleartype-switch/
[11:09] <mungbean> what's a good price for 2nd hand wii fit board and wii fit games
[11:20] <Myrtti> omg its Gary
[11:24] <MooDoo> who's garry?
[11:24] <MooDoo> gary?
[11:26] <popey> gary was one of the very first people in this channel
[11:27] <Myrtti> or #ubuntu, or #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:30] <Laney> how do I get irssi to tell me when this channel was created?
[11:30] <Laney> 10/06 19:48:39 -!- Channel #ubuntu-uk created Sun Nov 26 06:42:45 2006
[11:32] <Laney> bah, can't find that old logs site pre-loco-channels-using-irclogs.u.c
[11:33] <DJones> Laney: Just ask Gary, I thought he was the original founder
[11:34] <Laney> found some stuff on archive.org
[11:35] <Laney> http://web.archive.org/web/20090107162546/http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2006/11/09/#ubuntu-uk.html is the earliest one that I found available
[11:38] <Gary> DJones, I took over from the founder, ages ago!
[11:39] <JamesTait> Gary! Welcome back!
[11:39] <DJones> Gary: Ah, I thought you were the original, uncopied, one and only :)
[11:39] <MooDoo> popey: sorry I know who gary is just couldn't remember the surname :D
[11:39] <Gary> DJones, I am original for sure
[11:40] <MooDoo> he is the one and only.....er ok no singing
[11:40] <DJones> :)
[11:40] <Gary> channel was regged 8 years ago, I was only here, as me, 7 years back odd
[11:42] <Gary> blimey
[13:27] <Seeker`> Who was the original founder? I have a feeling that LMM owned the channel when I first started coming here
[13:28] <Gary> yes, that was it!
[13:28] <Gary> oh my
[13:28] <Seeker`> That log must have been very shortly before I joined
[13:29] <Seeker`> Registered : Nov 20 23:44:23 2006 (6 years, 29 weeks, 1 day, 13:44:07 ago)
[13:29] <Seeker`> when my nick was registered
[13:29] <popey> really?
[13:29] <popey> i am pretty sure LMM arrived later
[13:29] <Seeker`> really?
[13:30] <Gary> I get " Registered : Dec 11 09:51:55 2004" for this channel
[13:31] <popey> he arrived around sept 2006 iirc
[13:31] <Seeker`> popey: what was his real name?
[13:31] <Gary> and is he still a councillor (local village council or something)
[13:32] <popey> nik butler
[13:32] <Seeker`> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2006-September/thread.html
[13:32] <Seeker`> first appearance on the mailing lists I think
[13:33] <Seeker`> I can't remember 2006 properly :P
[13:36] <mungbean> anyone used get_flash_videos script?
[13:37] <Gary> blimey, linuxworld was 2006!  wow
[13:38] <MooDoo> yay my first appearance in the ubuntu uk mailing list - 2006 october :D
[13:39] <brobostigon> :)
[13:41] <MooDoo> think i setup my launchpad about then too
[13:47] <popey> so LRL 2005 must have been the one where LMM got his name
[13:48] <popey> oh, no
[13:48] <popey> must be 2006
[13:48] <popey> 2005 was the first one, and I didn't go to that
[13:50] <popey> so LMM got his name on 23rd July 2006 during a Q&A
[13:50] <brobostigon> my launchpad is apparently 07.05.2008
[13:52] <Dave2> I thought the first LRL was 2004
[13:52] <Dave2> oh, no, I only missed 2
[13:52] <Dave2> so must've been 2005
[13:52] <popey> 2005 was at the statium
[13:52] <popey> *stadium
[13:53] <Dave2> I went to 07, 08, and 09
[13:53] <davmor2> popey: I still have my Ubuntu tshirt that LMM put together for the linux world
[13:53] <popey> ditto
[13:53] <Dave2> LinuxWorld was definitely 2006 because it was during freshers week when I'd just started uni so couldn't go
[13:53] <davmor2> pre canoncial shop
[13:54] <MooDoo> I went to the one in 2006
[13:55] <Dave2> Apparently my launchpad account is from 2005. What was I doing with a launchpad account in 2005.
[13:55] <davmor2> I was pimping jokosher man that seems like a lifetime ago
[13:55] <Dave2> JONOEDIT
[13:55] <mungbean> what happened to that?
[13:55] <popey> !info jokosher
[13:55] <MooDoo> just posted onto g+ a pic I took from LRL 2006 :D
[13:56] <mungbean> isn't raring the latest release?
[13:56] <mungbean> !info jokosher raring
[13:56] <davmor2> MooDoo: you were at LRL
[13:56] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes in 2006, I've put a pic on google+ :D
[13:56] <popey> hah, i think LMM has me blocked on his G+
[13:57] <Gary> I remember trying to chat up jono at LRL AND linuxworld!
[13:57] <popey> if I look at his G+ in a private browsing window I see his posts, but not if I look when logged in.
[13:57] <MooDoo> davmor2: check FB!
[13:58] <Gary> popey, he hates you?
[13:58] <popey> must do
[13:58] <popey> https://plus.google.com/102628325676884235660/posts/aJ6bxvADhR8
[13:59] <MooDoo> davmor2: they were bright yello if I remember
[13:59] <popey> he still has his ubuntu t-shirts ☻
[13:59] <davmor2> MooDoo: the are indeed
[13:59] <MooDoo> I've still got mine that he did as well....need a new one though
[14:00] <Gary> I've still got mine too, plus a few tshirts
[14:15] <popey> ooh, another blast from the past.. Mark Harrison
[14:16] <MooDoo> blimey not heard that name in awhile
[14:18] <MooDoo> then again not seen or heard from paul sladen in awhile with his bike
[14:18] <popey> sladen pops up now and then ☻
[14:21] <davmor2> I remember refusing to allow sabdfl into the very first LRL without having his hand potato stamped :D
[14:22] <davmor2> The best of it was when he saw it was an actual potato he was all up for it :)
[14:24]  * popey tags the image
[14:46]  * Laney only went to one LRL
[14:46] <Laney> the last one...
[14:47]  * mgdm went to '08
[14:50] <MooDoo> I think there should be a big reunion LRL tour 2014
[14:50] <MooDoo> Don't Listen Alone - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txfuND_KYz0
[14:52] <davmor2> MooDoo: propose it to jono and wait for the laughter to die down
[14:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: pah rid a man of his dreams why don't you
[14:53] <davmor2> MooDoo: I didn't say it wouldn't happen just that the laughter would need to die down before you carry on with the conversation :D
[14:56] <MooDoo> :)
[14:56] <MooDoo> suppose we could all do it google+ lol
[16:28] <daftykins> doh - the age old dilemma - can't read the windows product key on the laptop COA sticker 'cause it's worn off with age :(
[16:29] <mgdm> there's a tool that can grab the key from a running Windows image
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: isn't it in ROM?
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> dmidecode or something?
[16:29] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: the Windows product key? Why would it be in ROM?
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: some Windowses can read it from there
[16:29] <daftykins> mgdm: yeah, but manufacturers install with OEM copies and their SLIC licenses
[16:29] <daftykins> so the key inside the OS isn't the COA sticker one
[16:30] <daftykins> it's really annoying because it's so close to being readable
[16:30] <daftykins> i've got a VM up right now i'm trying to type guesses into :D
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: photo + some sliders in gimp?
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> colours/contrast/etc.
[16:30] <daftykins> might be worth a go, yeah
[16:30] <daftykins> ooh hang on
[16:30] <daftykins> a character just changed
[16:30] <daftykins> :D
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[16:31] <daftykins> aww nah now it instantly rejects it
[16:32] <popey> I hateses all license keys
[16:32] <directhex> mgdm, that's the windows 8 thing now. cd key is embedded in rom, not printed on laptop
[16:32] <popey> nice
[16:32] <mgdm> directhex: Oh, "nice"
[16:33] <directhex> also, no more oem media. you use the windows 8 "reset" option to restore the hardware from the recovery partition
[16:33] <directhex> crapware & all
[16:33] <daftykins> fun times!
[16:33] <daftykins> but you can get 8 images easy so there's no need for that
[16:35] <popey> I don't think I've even touched a machine that has Windows 8 on it.
[16:36] <daftykins> a friend bought an Asus with it on, he called me and asked me to get rid of it ASAP :)
[16:36] <daftykins> that's the only time i have - first time i had to do an EFI install too
[16:36]  * MartijnVdS did an EFI install on his new Haswell machine
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> (which had no OS on it ever before)
[16:36] <daftykins> :)
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> getting an UEFI-booting USB stick was the hardest bit
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> unetbootin' doesn't make them
[16:37] <daftykins> o rry?
[16:37] <daftykins> they should be informed of this
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> the "usb-creator" software in Ubuntu does work
[16:39] <daftykins> hrmm i think i've got this key right but it's just not being accepted, despite my using a matched disc image
[16:39] <daftykins> how rude
[16:39] <daftykins> does anyone fancy having a go? :)
[16:40]  * shauno dusts off the rubber mallet
[16:40] <popey> I'd end up just getting a key off some random website
[16:40] <popey> especially if it's a legit copy
[16:40] <daftykins> nah, there are methods to inject SLIC data into memory at boot
[16:40] <popey> and phone and shout at MS if it fails
[16:40] <daftykins> so you can enable a legit manufacturer-auth'd laptop
[16:40] <daftykins> 'Windows Loader' is a program that does it
[16:41] <daftykins> you're just in danger of any future Windows updates possibly trashing it then
[16:41] <daftykins> i always keep systems legit where i can, never had to use the above
[16:41] <popey> yeah, i have two windows installs, both legit
[16:43]  * popey puts on some Donna Summer and boogies till he pukes
[16:44] <Dave2> I hope you're going to clean that up
[16:44] <popey> http://www.linuxadvocates.com/2013/06/the-myth-of-foss-community.html
[16:44] <popey> what a complete and utter
[16:46] <mgdm> troll?
[16:48] <popey> that too
[16:50] <popey> http://toys.usvsth3m.com/edballs/
[16:50] <popey> fun
[16:51] <popey> 0.744 is my fastest
[16:54] <daftykins> i've got an image of this license key up if anyone would care to let me link them for guessing?
[16:54] <mgdm> 0.513 :|
[16:54] <popey> ali1234 is quite good at that
[16:55] <popey> haha
[16:55] <mgdm> became easier when I noticed it doesn't care about capitilization :-)
[16:55] <popey> ditto
[16:59] <brobostigon> that was weird, bbc1/2 itv1 ch4 ch5, totally dissappeared from the sky box, untill i restarted it, and they came back.
[17:00] <daftykins> hehe
[17:00] <shauno> you gotta wonder where we're going with this, when you have to reboot the TV
[17:00] <daftykins> done a firmware update for fun?
[17:00] <brobostigon> daftykins: no firmware update, that i know of.
[17:01] <daftykins> for the sky box? they happen all the time and there aren't really public knowledge of the dates
[17:01] <zleap> there has been a message on my digi box to say retune the box,  i did and it still comes up maybe it just needed a restart for the same reason
[17:02] <brobostigon> ah, could have been then.
[18:24]  * AlanBell contemplates an upgrade to saucy
[18:24] <MooDoo> davmor2: hello I guess jono stopped laughing :p
[18:25] <davmor2> MooDoo: did he now :)
[18:25] <MooDoo> davmor2: have you not seen the g+ comments on my image?
[18:26] <daftykins> ?
[18:26] <popey> https://plus.google.com/u/0/100200339012189946537/posts/7CkEjVZCUCF
[18:30] <davmor2> MooDoo, popey: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha we'll see
[18:35] <MooDoo> davmor2: so there :p
[18:35] <MooDoo> never under estimate the power of the dark..er er :)
[18:37] <Myrtti> butt?
[18:38] <MooDoo> helmet
[18:40] <davmor2> Myrtti, MooDoo: butt, helmet!  You two are putting nothing into the word association game are you ?
[18:41] <Myrtti> cheese?
[18:58]  * ^aDaM yawns
[18:59] <^aDaM> Damn what has Ubuntu done to me? up early hours on Linux is not good :D
[18:59] <^aDaM> But keeps my brain updated so I suppose it is good.
[19:00] <^aDaM> popey, you got me hooked and I will never load a Windows cd in my drive again ... infact!
[19:00]  * ^aDaM brakes all his OEM M$ CD/DVDs..
[19:00]  * ^aDaM CRUNCH!
[19:00] <^aDaM> \o/
[19:54] <daftykins> ^aDaM: nooooooo
[19:57] <^aDaM> :))))
[20:01] <AlanBell> help, I got stuck in an upgrade http://paste.ubuntu.com/5756056/
[20:09] <daftykins> ooh-err, dependancy and version hell
[20:09] <AlanBell> yeah :(
[20:10] <zleap> hi all
[20:11] <daftykins> hey zleap
[20:13] <DJones> AlanBell: On the basis you were asking about Saucy, have you checked in +1 might be something they've come across
[20:15] <AlanBell> nah, this is a separate thing altogether
[20:17] <daftykins> indeed, looks like an older install
[20:17] <daftykins> AlanBell: do you get anywhere manually installing a different one of the kernel deb's first from the APT cache? that's my only idea 'cause i'm a bit too noob
[20:18] <daftykins> surely the sequence wouldn't matter but *shrug*
[20:18] <daftykins> weird it's looking for older stuff :D
[20:20] <popey> AlanBell: still not fixed?
[20:21] <popey> AlanBell: is this a vm guest?
[20:21] <popey> AlanBell: apt-cache policy linux-headers-generic-pae
[20:22] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5756121/
[20:22] <AlanBell> it is a vm guest, but I installed it, nothing odd about the kernel setup
[20:22] <popey> what kernel is it currently running?
[20:23] <AlanBell> now this may have something to do with it
[20:23] <AlanBell> 3.2.0-23-generic-pae
[20:23] <AlanBell> and I removed that kernel by accident earlier as it was the oldest kernel in the list and I needed the space
[20:23] <popey> thats ye-olde
[20:23] <AlanBell> didn't realise how long this server hadn't been rebooted for
[20:24] <daftykins> i'd nuke all the older ones than currently installed, autoremove, then boot into the newest and try install again? but then i'm a newb
[20:24] <popey> how did you accidentally remove it?
[20:24] <popey> apt or rm?
[20:24] <AlanBell> apt-get --remove
[20:25] <AlanBell> and it printed a warning that it was the running kernel as it cheerfully carried on and removed it
[20:26]  * ^2fC try's to sudo apt-get -make sandwich in Terminal.
[20:26]  * ^2fC E: Invalid operation sandwich
[20:26] <^2fC> :(
[20:27] <popey> might be wise to reinstall that ye-olde kernel with dpkg first?
[20:27] <popey> to get yourself straight?
[20:27] <AlanBell> so find the .dep in the archives and dpkg it
[20:27] <popey> wget it from http://ubuntu.mirror.cambrium.nl/ubuntu//pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-3.2.0-23-generic-pae_3.2.0-23.36_i386.deb
[20:27] <daftykins> i've taken off the running one after installing a new one before, but not the other way around
[20:27] <daftykins> i don't think that's necessary, you've got another 2 or 3 at least on, why not just reboot into a newer one?
[20:28] <popey> or yes, apt-get install linux-image-generic-pae=3.2.0-23
[20:28] <AlanBell> it won't let me with apt-get
[20:28] <popey> dpkg should
[20:28] <AlanBell> yes, it did
[20:28] <popey> daftykins: because it's generally better to tidy stuff up rather than reboot and hope
[20:28] <popey> ime
[20:29] <daftykins> ok, i see no hope to it though
[20:29] <popey> i like tidy ☻
[20:29] <popey> I dont like rebooting machines with a broken packaging setup, it's icky
[20:29] <daftykins> :)
[20:29] <daftykins> fair play sir
[20:30] <AlanBell> yeah, me too, especially if the kernel is the borked bit
[20:30] <daftykins> btw after our talk of paella the other day, i just now finished a large one to myself
[20:30] <popey> AlanBell: is that letting your apt-continue, now thats installed?
[20:30] <daftykins> co-op claimed it was for 2 - pah
[20:30] <daftykins> :D
[20:30] <AlanBell> nope, similar problem . . .
[20:30] <popey> oh, the co-op ones are okay
[20:30] <daftykins> it was their fancy range though - £6 :S
[20:30] <popey> maybe you also need the 3.2.0-23 headers etc?
[20:30] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5756148/
[20:31] <popey> the only downside is it lacks much chorizo and the fish can be chewy/overcooked
[20:31] <popey> but nice enough
[20:31] <daftykins> yeah i wouldn't say it broke my top 3
[20:32] <daftykins> ok i've got to reboot my host, downsides of having Linux VMs atop a Windows system ¬_¬
[20:32] <daftykins> curious to see how that goes though AlanBell
[20:32] <daftykins> back shortly \o
[20:32] <popey> AlanBell: odd you have an old half-installed kernel it seems
[20:32] <popey> can you remove linux-generic-pae=3.2.0.38.46
[20:38] <AlanBell> E: Version ‘3.2.0.38.46’ for ‘linux-generic-pae’ was not found
[20:38] <popey> sorry
[20:38] <popey> miss the .46 off
[20:38] <AlanBell> E: Version ‘3.2.0.38’ for ‘linux-generic-pae’ was not found
[20:39] <AlanBell> also E: Version ‘3.2.0.38’ for ‘linux-image-generic-pae’ was not found
[20:39] <popey> hmmm
[20:39] <popey>   Version of linux-image-generic-pae on system is 3.2.0.38.46.
[20:39] <popey> oh, its 3.2.0-38
[20:39] <popey> stupid apt lies
[20:40] <popey> so apt-get remove linux-image-generic-pae=3.2.0-38
[20:40] <AlanBell> E: Version ‘3.2.0-38’ for ‘linux-image-generic-pae’ was not found
[20:40] <popey> dpkg -l linux-image-generic-pae | grep 3.2.0-38
[20:40] <popey> is it listed?
[20:41] <AlanBell> nope
[20:41] <AlanBell> iU  linux-image-generic-pae            3.2.0.38.46                  Generic Linux kernel image
[20:42] <popey> ah thats yes
[20:42] <popey> dpkg -r linux-image-generic-pae=3.2.0.38.46
[20:42] <popey> i _think_ dpkg allows you to do that
[20:42] <AlanBell> dpkg: error: package name in specifier 'linux-image-generic-pae=3.2.0.38.46' is illegal: character `=' not allowed (only letters, digits and characters `-+._')
[20:42] <popey> so no
[20:43] <popey> what does it try to do if you dpkg -r linux-image-generic-pae  ?
[20:44] <AlanBell> ooh, it removes something
[20:44] <popey> now what if you apt-get -f install?
[20:44] <AlanBell> fan flipping tastic
[20:44] <popey> is that good?
[20:45] <AlanBell> yes, very good
[20:45] <popey> super
[20:45] <AlanBell> you must pop round for lunch/beer soon
[20:46] <popey> heh
[21:06] <daftykins> ah finally back
[21:07] <daftykins> did you crack it in the end?
[21:07] <popey> ya
[21:08] <daftykins> putting that one back on cracked it?
[21:08] <popey> no, removing the busted package
[21:08] <popey> dpkg -r linux-image-generic-pae
[21:09] <daftykins> ooh
[21:09] <daftykins> just some sort of partially-installed failure then?
[21:27] <xnox> czajkowski: what the heck!
[21:27] <xnox> czajkowski: i mean, what the heck!
[21:27] <czajkowski> xnox: pm!
[21:28] <daftykins> D:
[21:30] <Laney> haha
[21:31]  * czajkowski peers at Laney oi 
[21:31] <Laney> ♥
[21:33] <Laney> czajkowski: when's hackntalk?
[21:33] <Laney> (is that what it's called)
[21:33] <Laney> nm I decided not to be lazy and googled it
[21:33] <czajkowski> yup
[21:33] <czajkowski> later this month
[21:34] <czajkowski> after I move house
[21:34] <czajkowski> really didnt thinkn that one through
[21:34] <Laney> going far?
[21:34] <czajkowski> Guildford
[21:34] <Laney> not so far
[21:34] <daftykins> i heard that place is quite the dive
[21:35] <Laney> what a nice thing to say
[21:36] <Laney> hmm, there's some cheapish advance tickets to LDN on that day
[21:36] <czajkowski> http://hackntalkjune.eventbrite.com/
[21:36] <czajkowski> Laney: come visit!!!!
[21:37] <Laney> will there be pub after?
[21:37] <Laney> i.e. should I get a late evening train back?
[21:37] <czajkowski> Laney: we didnt the last time
[21:37] <daftykins> Laney: you should book a room in a hedge
[21:37] <czajkowski> but no reason to not go for a beer
[21:39] <Laney> iiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting