| phillw | hi, is there anyone here with a dedicated GPU card ? | 01:14 |
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| Noskcaj | !nano | 02:20 |
| ubot5 | Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) - Terminal-based: nano, vi/vim, emacs, ed - For HTML/CSS editors, see !html - For programming editors and IDE, see !code | 02:20 |
| Noskcaj | is nano a default app for 13.10? | 02:20 |
| Noskcaj | IS anyone online with a working 13.10 install? | 02:28 |
| Noskcaj | if so, is nano still a default app? | 02:28 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, nano a default app? well nano is command line :-) | 03:37 |
| Noskcaj | balloons: one of the hardware test cases uses nano, i was wondering if we still ship it | 03:44 |
| balloons | yes.. | 03:44 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 03:45 |
| Noskcaj | dumb question | 03:45 |
| Noskcaj | Can someone check the multiple hard drive part of the Entire disk install testcase. it is outdated and confusing | 04:15 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, if you're online. i have another big merge comming up | 05:39 |
| shadeslayer | phillw: yep | 06:24 |
| shadeslayer | phillw: have a : 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Seymour [Radeon HD 6400M/7400M Series] | 06:25 |
| shadeslayer | hmm ... when trying out otto + kubuntu I get : lxc container failed to recieve answer for command | 06:26 |
| shadeslayer | also : lxc container failed to send command | 06:26 |
| shadeslayer | jibel: <shadeslayer> hmm ... when trying out otto + kubuntu I get : lxc container failed to recieve answer for command | 07:31 |
| shadeslayer | <shadeslayer> also : lxc container failed to send command | 07:31 |
| shadeslayer | I am unsure as to what command it's trying to send there ... | 07:35 |
| shadeslayer | ( that is right after sudo bin/otto -d start saucy-otto ) | 07:35 |
| apw | gema, i was asking for the sheet you do have | 09:58 |
| gema | apw: I don't have a sheet | 11:52 |
| gema | apw: I am trusting the driver implementation | 11:53 |
| apw | gema, i was asking for the sheet for the one you said you had a sheet for, i have since found it | 11:53 |
| gema | ahh, sorry | 11:53 |
| gema | I thought you meant the nexus 4 | 11:53 |
| DanChapman | Good afternoon :-) | 12:49 |
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| phillw | balloons: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware is alive. Just need someone else to also check it, as Linda's link is wrong..... | 13:57 |
| apw | gema, this n4 driver, its remaining charge is calculated purely using the integer percentage, which seems utterly inaccurate | 14:50 |
| gema | apw: otp | 14:53 |
| balloons | phillw, :-) | 14:54 |
| gema | apw: sorry, lost context completely | 15:06 |
| gema | I am back | 15:06 |
| gema | apw: I am not sure what you mean, it seems to me that full charge would be the result of doing something like calculate_fcc_uah - calculate_unusable_charge | 15:07 |
| apw | gema, i was saying in this n4 driver, the raw coulombs output are already exposed, and that the remaining_charge as calculated is simply made up from teh full capacity and the integer | 15:07 |
| gema | and remaining charge should be charge now | 15:07 |
| apw | remaining charge is (full_charge * current_percentage) | 15:07 |
| apw | so it is woefully inaccurate | 15:08 |
| apw | i may be able to use the raw coulombs to make that more accurate but, thats not how it is now | 15:08 |
| gema | apw: the state of charge is calculated based on charge now (which we don't have) not the other way around | 15:10 |
| gema | apw: I think we are wasting more time discussing than it would take to just expose that | 15:11 |
| gema | apw: then we can do the calculations if you want and see what's more accurate | 15:11 |
| apw | gema, the driver exposes percentages and raw coulombs, it uses raw coulombs and a significant amount of guess work to generate the percentage | 15:12 |
| apw | gema, it them makes its idea of charges internally using those percentages, at 1% resolution | 15:12 |
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| apw | exposing those is not going to give you any accuracy (even asuming for now that the device has accuracy) | 15:13 |
| gema | apw: I'd like to be able to validate that empirically | 15:13 |
| gema | rather than argue each other to death | 15:13 |
| apw | gema, and i am working to expose them, and when writing the code and testing it, i can see how it is calculated | 15:13 |
| apw | gema, and i can see that the value i am exposing changes like every time the percentage changes, which is how i _know_ it is based on the percentage | 15:14 |
| apw | gema, and why am i asking if it is any use what so ever given your comment on the percentage from the GN | 15:14 |
| gema | apw: what percentage are you talking about? | 15:14 |
| gema | capacity? | 15:15 |
| apw | the driver as it stands is calculating its remaining_charge from its (estimate of full charge * 100) / current percentage | 15:15 |
| apw | its percentage charge remaining estimate. | 15:15 |
| apw | remaining_charge_uah = calculate_remaining_charge_uah() .... that is using: | 15:17 |
| apw | return (fcc_uah * pc) / 100; | 15:17 |
| apw | ie, it is taking estimated full and using the percentage previously reported, and returning some other estimate in 100's of the maximum capacity | 15:17 |
| apw | i am trying to get you to confirm that is of little use | 15:17 |
| apw | and that therefore i need to try and expose something more granular | 15:19 |
| apw | gema, ^^ | 15:19 |
| gema | apw: are you saying that there is a circular dependancy in the driver? (I haven't really seen enough of it to be able to pinpoint that) in any other case, I am pretty sure the value you are getting is a good start, I can run a test if you give me a kernel with it and figure out if it makes sense | 15:26 |
| apw | gema, i am saying the value you asked to be exposed is in 100th's of full capacity, i am asking if there is any value in that value, or do i need to work out how to make a better value | 15:28 |
| apw | gema, to my mind it is pretty clear it is useless as it doesn't change for 10s of seconds | 15:28 |
| gema | apw: can you give me some example values | 15:29 |
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| apw | gema, the actual value would be like 2088105 and remains like that while the percentage is 91 (ish) and changes only when the reported percentage changes to 90 | 15:31 |
| apw | gema, never mind, i am taking an executive decision that these values are too low resolution to be useful | 15:32 |
| apw | gema, and i am going to figure out how to get more accurate values out | 15:32 |
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| gema | apw: ack, thanks | 15:32 |
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| Noskcaj | balloons, about my merge proposal | 19:43 |
| Noskcaj | i think you should let this one in as the hardware tests are less agonistic currently and netboot has a glitch where dd was dt and vice-versa | 19:45 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, howdy | 20:08 |
| Noskcaj | hello | 20:08 |
| balloons | I like your changes, although I'm on the fence about the is vs should be stuff | 20:10 |
| balloons | but yea, there still needs to be some work done on some of them. | 20:10 |
| balloons | I can't merge everything as-is.. that's why we like the smaller merge proposals that are more on point.. | 20:10 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, i did all this at school. i can't make merge proposals on the school laptop | 20:11 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, ahh.. well, your editing all those files right? Just make several branches | 20:12 |
| balloons | does that make sense? | 20:12 |
| balloons | make a branch, fix netboot | 20:12 |
| balloons | make a branch fix is vs should be | 20:12 |
| Noskcaj | makes sense | 20:13 |
| balloons | make a branch fix hw tests | 20:13 |
| balloons | then it's 3 mp's, but it can be reviewed easier | 20:13 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, i've just fixed netboot. uploaded. could you explain you issues with "should be" | 20:20 |
| samgabbay | Hi I have a laptop with a broken screen and i wanted to know how i can install ubuntu on it | 20:20 |
| samgabbay | oops | 20:21 |
| samgabbay | wrong room | 20:21 |
| Noskcaj | samgabbay, you might have to replace the screen. tht's pretty simple though | 20:21 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, well, I'm wondering about how it reads | 20:22 |
| samgabbay | Noskcaj, but the laptop is too old for that | 20:22 |
| Noskcaj | samgabbay, then plug an external screen in | 20:22 |
| samgabbay | yea but when i do i dont know what key it is to choose what to boot and like i want to make the external monitor the default | 20:22 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, we need a wording that is constant, so do we want "should" or "is"? | 20:23 |
| samgabbay | is there a way to make like the external monitor input like the main one | 20:23 |
| samgabbay | just on like desktop pcs | 20:23 |
| Noskcaj | samgabbay, should be, once you're in ubuntu | 20:23 |
| Noskcaj | but it can't be too old to replace the screen | 20:24 |
| samgabbay | it is its like 6 years old or so | 20:24 |
| samgabbay | like how do i know what key to press on boot | 20:24 |
| samgabbay | cause on the external monitor it wont display like when you first turn it on and it says dell for example and it shows like f1 is bios | 20:24 |
| elfy | Noskcaj balloons I'm not sure what you're talkign about exactly - but if it's testcases - then there shouldn't be should - it either is and a pass or it's a fail | 20:25 |
| Noskcaj | elfy, the wording of <dd> | 20:26 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, in theory you should read the test as do this, expect that. it should be written as fact.. so we don't want should, might, could, etc in there | 20:26 |
| Noskcaj | i have to go, i'll be back later | 20:26 |
| samgabbay | guys anything i can do to make the external monitor primary so i can see when it first boots and know the boot keyu | 20:26 |
| balloons | however when I explained it to you, yes, the result is what should happen, else it's a back :-) | 20:26 |
| samgabbay | pleaaassasseee | 20:26 |
| samgabbay | :? | 20:26 |
| samgabbay | :/ | 20:26 |
| elfy | samgabbay: you need a support channel - try #ubuntu | 20:26 |
| samgabbay | but like no one is responding : | 20:27 |
| samgabbay | :/ | 20:27 |
| balloons | it's a non-ubuntu problem to be fair.. and laptops are laptop specific.. likely no one can help you but yourself, google, and trial and error | 20:27 |
| samgabbay | :/ | 20:27 |
| balloons | i will say ubuntu has a screenreader mode that will talk to you during installation.. but again, without a screen there's no point.. and it's impossible to know what's going on | 20:28 |
| balloons | hello elfy ! | 20:28 |
| elfy | hi balloons :) | 20:28 |
| * elfy is back for a week again :) | 20:28 | |
| balloons | aweosme | 20:29 |
| balloons | can you make the hackfest tomorrow? | 20:29 |
| elfy | so get ready for the next installment of how do I upload this again ... | 20:29 |
| samgabbay | balloons, like im gonna be using the computer with an external monitor, keyboard, and all i just wanna get it working until i get a new pone | 20:30 |
| elfy | balloons: eventually - got some r/l to attend to and a xubuntu meeting | 20:30 |
| elfy | balloons: but if it's autopilot then I'll wander off :) | 20:30 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, so we want it worded as "this happens" ? | 20:34 |
| balloons | elfy, it's for everyone.. we've just specifically invitied new folks who might want t hack on autopilot for qml | 20:34 |
| balloons | don't be scared ;-) | 20:34 |
| elfy | lol | 20:34 |
| elfy | so that's 2 things that I'll go pfft at then | 20:35 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, let me know if there's a hackfest i can attend | 20:35 |
| elfy | I thought qml was a downmarket sports shop chain ... | 20:35 |
| elfy | balloons: and of course the other thing being that 99% of anyone will be fiddlign with ubuntu things too ;) | 20:37 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, there is tomorrow | 20:37 |
| balloons | it runs through this time, so if your around as normal, you can be a part :-) | 20:37 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, i mean a time when i'm not sleeping | 20:37 |
| Noskcaj | ok, i'll try and attend | 20:37 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, tomorrow at this time we'll be finishing up, so you can attend :-) However, we can try something later on a weekend and see if more folks from down-under and asia can make it | 20:38 |
| elfy | I shall be attending my own hackfest and working away on xubuntu testcases | 20:38 |
| balloons | elfy, lol.. just know I'll be dedicating my time to helping whomever get testcases in | 20:38 |
| Noskcaj | elfy, let's have an official xubuntu test hackfest | 20:38 |
| balloons | all day long you'll get me | 20:38 |
| elfy | balloons: I know :) | 20:39 |
| elfy | Noskcaj: afaik there are 2 people working on xubuntu testcases | 20:39 |
| elfy | though I think sergio is working on gnumeric | 20:39 |
| Noskcaj | then mabe a hackfest is wasteful | 20:40 |
| Noskcaj | *maybe | 20:40 |
| elfy | balloons: do I remember us having a conversation about the dates on the release schedule staying as they are even though they are patently wrong? | 20:41 |
| balloons | elfy indeed.. | 20:42 |
| balloons | heh | 20:42 |
| balloons | ping in #ubuntu-release about it | 20:42 |
| elfy | but cadence week dates are right? | 20:42 |
| elfy | balloons: ^^ | 20:44 |
| balloons | elfy, what do you mean? | 20:44 |
| elfy | the dates on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Saucy are right ? | 20:44 |
| elfy | I need to talk with xubuntu about what we're going to do and when | 20:45 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, you have more stuff to merge | 20:45 |
| balloons | elfy, yes I don't plan to change them unless we discuss first and have a reason | 20:46 |
| * elfy thinks it's absolutely ridiculous that release schedule is wrong because someone in the past set them up and no-on can be assed to deal with it now things have changed | 20:46 | |
| elfy | balloons: k - just need something concrete to work with | 20:47 |
| balloons | elfy, there was a note and action item to change the release schedule rpoperly | 20:47 |
| elfy | lol | 20:47 |
| balloons | but again, I haven't seen any changes | 20:48 |
| elfy | well - if it doesn't get soon it can be marked as invalid :p | 20:48 |
| balloons | I have to work on getting our first week ready :-) | 20:48 |
| balloons | that's my concenr | 20:49 |
| elfy | yep | 20:49 |
| elfy | I understand that - that'll be your job :) | 20:49 |
| elfy | I don't suppose it matters much as long as we get 'week' with the same image to test | 20:50 |
| elfy | anyway - I should be about at some point tomorrow - now I am off | 20:51 |
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| balloons | Noskcaj, ok, let me go look at th enew mp | 20:53 |
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| balloons | Noskcaj, so what's this? https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu-manual-tests/xfce4panel/+merge/168858 | 21:15 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, i re-based that, it's enough for the guy to merge into ubuntu-manual-tests | 21:16 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, ok | 21:16 |
| balloons | i'm re-merging your branch :-) | 21:16 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, there's more changes, tell me when you want them | 21:19 |
| balloons | ok on testcases/hardware/1480_USB Mouse I think the bit about creating a file is a bit silly. we can just ask them to test left, right and dragging | 21:19 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, you can push whatever you have :-) | 21:20 |
| * balloons just realized he has media keys on the top of his keyboard | 21:21 | |
| balloons | huh.. | 21:21 |
| Noskcaj | lol | 21:21 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, I'm curious about this one: <dt>Press the Search key</dt> | 21:21 |
| balloons | 21:21 | |
| balloons | 91 | 21:21 |
| balloons | <dt>The tracker desktop search tool should open</dt> | 21:21 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, i don't know what that is, it was already there | 21:21 |
| balloons | right.. I wonder what "search" tool they could mean | 21:22 |
| balloons | there is no more tracker | 21:22 |
| balloons | go ahead and remove it if you would :-) | 21:22 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 21:22 |
| balloons | all the new changes look better | 21:22 |
| balloons | I saw up to rev 123 | 21:22 |
| Noskcaj | 124 is uploading now | 21:23 |
| Noskcaj | i made the search test agnostic | 21:24 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, you have merges waiting | 21:38 |
| * balloons looks | 21:39 | |
| balloons | Noskcaj, (might be call "monitor" or "display") to might be "called" | 21:41 |
| Noskcaj | i approved slickymaster's one, but it needs merging | 21:41 |
| balloons | all those changes look good | 21:41 |
| balloons | I'll merge his | 21:41 |
| balloons | so I think the only thing left is the is -> should be stuff right? | 21:41 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, that and the wireless networking test | 21:42 |
| balloons | excellent | 21:42 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, this https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu-manual-tests/xfce4panel/+merge/168858 has to be done by david | 21:43 |
| balloons | ohh nvm, I see it ;-) | 21:43 |
| Noskcaj | :) | 21:43 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, the last upload is going now. i think that's all the hardware tests | 21:49 |
| balloons | i'm looking over | 21:54 |
| balloons | ok, everything looks good | 21:55 |
| balloons | let me do a full review again Noskcaj | 21:55 |
| Noskcaj | ok, ty | 21:55 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, :-( This is still using unity stuff for no reason.. | 21:58 |
| balloons | /home/nskaggs/projects/ubuntu-manual-tests/testcases/hardware/1477_Builtin Keyboard | 21:58 |
| balloons | can you make it generic? | 21:58 |
| Noskcaj | one sec | 21:58 |
| balloons | sure.. I'll just keep rambling my thoughts here | 21:58 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, uploaded | 22:02 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, another small tweak.. <dt>Insert a media card into the reader.</dt> <dd>A suggestion window should open for the card</dd> | 22:05 |
| balloons | I'm not sure we can assume or need to assume a suggestion window will appear on every flabor | 22:05 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 22:05 |
| balloons | this is from 1484_Internal Data Card Reader | 22:06 |
| balloons | you can simplify the whole thing and just say open the card up with a file manager | 22:06 |
| balloons | we want to test the read and writing to the card, etc | 22:06 |
| balloons | in the suspend and resume, you don't need to mention using firefox specifically | 22:07 |
| balloons | 1486_Suspend & Resume | 22:07 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 22:07 |
| balloons | <dt>Open a few applications in on the desktop, including Firefox</dt> | 22:07 |
| Noskcaj | pushing now | 22:07 |
| balloons | ok, the final tweaks I see | 22:09 |
| Noskcaj | balloons, can you explain test 1399_unity startup? it seems to have a translation part | 22:09 |
| balloons | 1300,1301,1302,1465,1504,ubuntu touch/1518 and ubuntu touch/1519 all should drop the 'should be' language and keep the 'is' language. The other tweaks in those files are good | 22:10 |
| balloons | Noskcaj, let me look at it | 22:10 |
| balloons | ohh right | 22:11 |
| balloons | that was imported from the old unity manual tests | 22:11 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 22:11 |
| balloons | essentially it's just a gut check that unity starts up and the desktop loads | 22:11 |
| balloons | including translations.. | 22:11 |
| Noskcaj | I just updated it so it made sense, but i doubt it will every be looked at | 22:12 |
| * Noskcaj leaves for school | 22:16 | |
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| kotux | hello! | 23:57 |
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