[00:00] <EDocToor> sarnold, so the gateway is supose to be the same on all machines
[00:00] <Slyboots> EDocToor, Is your gateway your router to the internet? (ADSL?)
[00:00] <sarnold> Slyboots: 11 days seems like a looong time to just read a few terabytes and compute some parity bits. something sure seems off there. (Note that I've not actually tried this myself, but .. it ought to only take a few hours to read a terabyte of data, right?)
[00:01] <Slyboots> sarnold, Well.. raid rebuilds take a while but that does seem pretty slow.  something else is a bit borked..  I was going to go with ZFS but thats a bitch to get going
[00:01] <EDocToor> yes, I have a DSL router that three computer are attached to...
[00:01] <Slyboots> And its IP address is?
[00:04] <EDocToor> Slyboots, I don't know how to figure that out
[00:04] <sarnold> EDocToor: what address do you type into the address bar of your browser to configure your router?
[00:04] <EDocToor> on windows the IPv$ is 192.168.1.103
[00:04] <EDocToor> IPv4
[00:04] <Slyboots> Oh dear.  Okay does your router device have a webpage you go to configure it?
[00:04] <EDocToor> http://192.168.1.1/config.asp
[00:05] <Slyboots> Right okay
[00:05] <EDocToor> it is a dd-wrt
[00:05] <Slyboots> Change your broadcast to 192.168.1.255, your network to 192.168.1.0
[00:05] <Slyboots> Gateway is 192.168.1.1
[00:05] <Slyboots> for interface ETH0
[00:06] <EDocToor> OMG.. I am crossing my fingers
[00:06] <sarnold> and change your address to 192.168.1.121
[00:06] <EDocToor> brb
[00:06] <sarnold> or 192.168.1.131. either way, make sure the .1. is in there. :)
[00:06] <Slyboots> sarnold, I honestly think he might be better off setting it to DHCP
[00:06] <sarnold> Slyboots: there are definite advantages there.. :)
[00:07] <Slyboots> He'll still have to setup nameservers and resolv.conf manually
[00:07] <Slyboots> But I suppose everyone has to learn somehow
[00:07] <sarnold> Slyboots: but getting this right is very useful to understanding IPv4 networking, so it's a useful exercise
[00:07] <sarnold> exactly
[00:08] <EDocToor> thanks... and static is required .. I wish.. all this was in the background too...
[00:08] <EDocToor> but it is not
[00:08] <sarnold> I spent absolute _hours_ typing ifconfig and route commands until getting the exact right commands to add to my startup files, back in the days (and distros) before setting them up was just one configuration file....
[00:08] <sarnold> but those hours were how I learned the basics well enough to debug a lot of network problems.
[00:08] <Slyboots> EDocToor, Once you've done that.  Try "ping 8.8.8.8" and see if you get a result.
[00:09] <Slyboots> I enjoy networking, do it "professionally" for what thats worth heh
[00:09] <Slyboots> (very little these days it seems)
[00:13] <EDocToor> Slyboots, the ping 8.8.8.8 goes on and I ctrl z to stop it.. is that normal?
[00:13] <EDocToor> and thanks.
[00:13] <Slyboots> yes.
[00:13] <Slyboots> try ping google.com next :P
[00:13] <sarnold> EDocToor: use ^C instead
[00:13] <EDocToor> I am not afraid of reading a URL... but I don't know what URL applies to what I am doing
[00:14] <sarnold> EDocToor: ^Z suspends the command instead of killing it.
[00:14] <EDocToor> how to kill command
[00:14] <EDocToor> how do I kill a command in process
[00:14] <Will> ctrl c ?
[00:15] <EDocToor> Thanks Will...bbbbbbbuddy
[00:15] <EDocToor> ping google.com also goes forever
[00:16] <Slyboots> Whats it actually saying :P
[00:17] <Slyboots> (as long as its not saying something like result timed out, or unknown host)
[00:17] <EDocToor> works exactly like ms dos ping but never stops
[00:17] <sarnold> or no route to host...
[00:17] <sarnold> it will never stop
[00:17] <EDocToor> looks good
[00:17] <Slyboots> TTL expired in transit
[00:17] <sarnold> it runs until you kill it with ^C :)
[00:17] <Slyboots> Thats always a scary one :P
[00:17] <sarnold> o_O
[00:17] <sarnold> Slyboots: oh, I thought EDocToor said that. hehe.
[00:17] <Slyboots> haha
[00:17] <sarnold> Slyboots: yeah, if TTL expires on you, you've got work ahead of you :) hehehe
[00:17] <Slyboots> EDocToor, sounds like your good then.
[00:17] <sarnold> I'm just glad it wasn't EDocToor, fixing routing loops over irc souds unfun.
[00:17] <Slyboots> sarnold, we sometimes get that if a VPN link goes down, its normally a "Oh F*$%!"
[00:18] <EDocToor> Why.. can I just give you my IP for the server... and you do it.. LOL
[00:18] <EDocToor> ha ha
[00:18] <Slyboots> Anyway, Im off
[00:18] <Slyboots> later
[00:18] <EDocToor> I am going to test with apt-get upgrade
[00:19] <EDocToor> Tanks Slyboots
[00:19] <Will> finally! webim panel web server created :D
[00:20] <Will> webmin*
[00:20] <EDocToor> Awesome Will
[00:20] <Will> http://pastebin.com/Jw8GB404
[00:21] <EDocToor> and Slyboots and sarnold helped me with my /etc/network/interfaces configuration successfully
[00:21] <Will> nice]
[00:21] <Will> what you using your server for?
[00:22] <EDocToor> I guess I'll be here for a week as they mentioned that I also have to <Slyboots> He'll still have to setup nameservers and resolv.conf manually
[00:22] <sarnold> EDocToor: if you can ping www.google.com, you're probably all good to go.
[00:23] <EDocToor> the apt-get upgrade IS WORKING.. thank you
[00:26] <EDocToor> Will ... I want to try an opensource package called "ofbiz" for a online store that also runs a POS point of sale cash register in a real store.. and therefore my very first time running/ruining a server
[00:27] <EDocToor> I am disabled ... so I have lots of time to learn
[00:27] <Will> interesting, i only ask as i am curious what to do with my new server now
[00:28] <Will> just wanted to make sure i could do it :)
[00:29] <EDocToor> I am not so sure that I can... but... I am giving it a try
[00:29] <EDocToor> do a web server first.. I guess
[00:38] <Will> shorewall the going firewall for protecting my previous new made server via virtualbox? :)
[00:38] <sarnold> Will: ufw is probably easier to learn.
[00:40] <Will> they not straight forward then?
[00:42] <sarnold> Will: ufw is simpler; shorewall is intended for configuring just about any firewall setup, ufw is intended to make common configurations very easy. check out https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/firewall.html  and see if it meets your needs..
[00:44] <EDocToor> I bookmarked that... as I am sure I am going to want to read it after I edit my hosts file
[00:45] <EDocToor> and I have learned to # cp /etc/everyfile /etc/everyfile.org before I make a change... the hard way.. hee hee
[00:46] <Will> lol
[00:49] <EDocToor> how do I test my /etc/hosts file is correct? I put in it 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain  localhost ...... then 192.168.1.131 edoc.icyourrc.com   edoc... I hope that sounds close
[00:49] <Will> you mean view it?
[00:50] <EDocToor> I already edited it... with the above information
[00:50] <EDocToor> the FQDN gave me a headache
[00:52] <EDocToor> Will you taught me Ctrl+C kills and Ctrl+Z suspends
[00:53] <Will> sarnold: thanks, had a read through and i don't think im going to bother with a firewall at all for the time being, i don't want to start restricting ports manually and such until i know more about what i need to protect i guess, for time being i will just test/play around with the concept and idea of what i actually want this server to do
[00:53] <Will> EDocToor, glad i could help :)
[00:55] <EDocToor> Will... Since there is not actual data to protect.. on my new box.. I am thinking that I will delay the firewall for now.. as well
[00:55] <EDocToor> I did bookmark/favorite it for later...
[01:00] <Will> Is there a reason why nano isn't working on via a putty ssh? vim works but to be fair i did install this, do i need to install nano or is that pre installed?
[01:00] <Will> i prefer to edit files with nano thats all ^^
[01:00] <EDocToor> try apt-get install nano
[01:01] <EDocToor> and see .. and tell me what you learned
[01:01] <EDocToor> as I am discovering all this too
[01:01] <Will> lovely :)
[01:01] <Will> its downloaded and installed the nano editor
[01:01] <Will> now i can do nano filename
[01:01] <EDocToor> awesome
[01:02] <Will> easier to use than vim, although i can use both, vim editor just makes me think too much
[01:02] <EDocToor> Will my Channel if you want to add is #diycnc
[01:02] <EDocToor> I am always there
[01:02] <EDocToor> I build my diy cnc on the sunny days so I can drill outside.. and server on the cold or rainy days
[01:03] <EDocToor> I use joe as my editor
[01:03] <Will> cnc?
[01:03] <EDocToor> try Youtube CNC Machine
[01:04] <EDocToor> I have a spare bedroom that has a very big CNC living there
[01:04] <EDocToor> that I made myself from scatch with AL
[01:04] <EDocToor> it is seven foot x 4 foot
[01:04] <Will> nice
[01:05] <EDocToor> thanks
[01:05] <Will> you setup your apache2 bits yet?
[01:05] <EDocToor> to join type /join #diycnc
[01:05] <EDocToor> not yet..
[01:06] <Will> what is it needed, apache2, phpmyadmin, anything else?
[01:06] <Will> oh, mysql
[01:06] <EDocToor> this is my favorite
[01:07] <EDocToor> apt-get install joe gedit build-essential dctrl-tools unzip subversion libapache2-svn vim-nox
[01:07] <EDocToor> oops
[01:07] <EDocToor> apt-get install joe gedit build-essential dctrl-tools unzip vim-nox
[01:07] <EDocToor> the build-essential I mean't
[01:08] <Will> without installingit can i view it?
[01:09] <EDocToor> There essentials... so it is a group of stuff that you will end up installing anyway.. one at a time
[01:10] <EDocToor> when you get the build-essential it gets a bunch of stuff that I am not sure of ..
[01:10] <EDocToor> I have been installing it since debian
[01:11] <EDocToor> since I was a kid
[01:13] <Will> done :)
[01:20] <EDocToor> Will configured the /etc/hostname  ....
[01:20] <EDocToor> now my back and my head hurts.. but mmust go on..
[01:21] <EDocToor> ha ha
[01:22] <EDocToor> Will apt-get remove to remove build-essential
[01:22] <EDocToor> apt-get remove build-essential
[01:24] <EDocToor> Will... (pressing (Ctrl+Alt+del) works.. shutdown -P now works and so does # reboot
[01:25] <EDocToor> I guess rebooted and after where it says edoc login: is says
[01:26] <EDocToor> [  9.032455] [drm] nouveau  .... misalined reg 0x ..... [drm] nouveal ... misaligned reg 0x0060081D [01:26] <EDocToor> I think I broke my server... AGAIN LOL
[01:27] <EDocToor> Pressed enter.. and the edoc login appeared
[01:27] <Will> hmmm i have no idea what that is im afraid
[01:27] <Will> i need to get some shut up, 2.30am im tired, getting on! goodnight all
[01:27] <EDocToor> see ya later
[01:28] <EDocToor> Will do you know how to see the page that zooms by pre Logon:
[01:28] <EDocToor> to see what the warnings are
[01:28] <Will> i dont sorry
[01:28] <Will> night :)
[01:28] <EDocToor> ok
[02:21] <hi_351> i been to like 100 rooma and they say their not ofr support is thi room for supprt i new user of UBUNTU
[02:23] <EDocToor> try /join #ubuntu
[02:23] <EDocToor> for ubuntu
[02:23] <EDocToor> this is for ubuntu server
[02:23] <hi_351> what this room for
[02:24] <EDocToor> new users of ubuntu server.. a server is generally command line
[02:24] <EDocToor> and ubuntu has windows like windows
[02:24] <hi_351> this is a commad libne question
[02:25] <hi_351> in a way i guess
[02:25] <EDocToor> then you might ask it here... but try your best to use fully words.. or you might get half a responce
[02:25] <EDocToor> response
[02:27] <hi_351> is update ubuntu better off getting from APT -GET SYNAPTIC INSTALL or just getting updates from software and updates and software updater in side ubunut
[02:32] <hi_351> let me rephrase that what dose APT - GET SYNAPTIC INSTALL do
[02:39] <EDocToor> ok
[02:39] <EDocToor> I am back
[02:40] <EDocToor> $ sudo apt-get install synaptic
[02:40] <EDocToor> installs a tools for downloading and searching for downloads
[02:41] <EDocToor> I am using your speellling of it.. as I don't know the exact spelling of it
[02:41] <EDocToor> I am a new Ubuntu user as well
[02:42] <EDocToor> but if I can help I'll try.. if I fail... someone else will join the conversation
[02:42] <EDocToor> hi_668, did you miss my response
[02:43] <EDocToor> EDocToor> $ sudo apt-get install synaptic
 installs a tools for downloading and searching for downloads
[02:44] <hi_668> what dose APT - GET SYNAPTICS command do
[02:44] <EDocToor> $ sudo apt-get install synaptics
[02:45] <EDocToor> installs synaptics
[02:45] <EDocToor> apt-get has no space
[02:46] <EDocToor> and the apt-get needs a OPTION like "install" "remove"
[02:46] <EDocToor> and synaptics is a package
[02:46] <EDocToor> to use it..
[02:46] <EDocToor> you would type
[02:46] <EDocToor> $ sudo apt-get install synaptics
[02:47] <hi_668> somone told me this will install my updates in ubuntu but in lite foemat
[02:47] <hi_668> format
[02:47] <EDocToor> hi_668, it does exactly like the apt-get does but like windows
[02:48] <EDocToor> and apt-get is a command line downloader
[02:48] <EDocToor> and synaptics is a GUI or Window downloader
[02:48] <EDocToor> both have a update option
[02:49] <EDocToor> am I make any sense to you?
[02:49] <hi_668> is it any different than me just lick on the ubuntu looking icon above the trash can
[02:49] <hi_668> on far left of the desktop i new to ubuntu
[02:49] <EDocToor> It is safe...
[02:49] <EDocToor> why don't you try it
[02:50] <EDocToor> open a terminal
[02:50] <hi_668> i know it safe
[02:50] <EDocToor> and type apt-get install synaptics
[02:50] <hi_668> but it like compressed verision of updates
[02:51] <EDocToor> I am on a server.. and I can't do it as it doesn't apply to command lines computers
[02:51] <EDocToor> There the same thing.. just two different ways of getting and updateing software
[02:52] <EDocToor> you can also update by
[02:52] <EDocToor> typing
[02:52] <EDocToor> $ sudo apt-get update
[02:52] <EDocToor> then
[02:52] <EDocToor> $ sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:52] <shodan45> what's the right way to start/stop services at boot in ubuntu?
[02:53] <EDocToor> EXample : update-rc.d -f spamassassin remove
[02:53] <hi_668> someone said it save a lot more sapce doning it that way then me doning it from clicking on the udates ico inside
[02:54] <hi_668> ubuntu
[02:54] <EDocToor> hi_668, I don't know that much.. so I can not debate or answer that one
[02:54] <EDocToor> it is my first day on a server
[02:55] <EDocToor> but I have been using linux off and on for many years
[02:55] <hi_668> he the synaptic updates take up less space
[02:55] <EDocToor> I don't know.. how that could be true.. but I can not confirm nor deny it
[02:56] <EDocToor> if space is an issue.. consider pressing F6 when installing and
[02:58] <hi_668> it says th package is not available
[02:59] <EDocToor> if you had synaptic 's installed you wouldn't have an issue as it spells it for you
[02:59] <EDocToor> when you search.. it finds
[02:59] <hi_668> it says it missing or obsolate
[02:59] <EDocToor> it might be...
[03:01] <EDocToor> hi_668, why don't you try the #ubuntu channel and ask for "What is the current package manager; and the apt-get method of downloading it?"
[03:01] <hi_668> aomone just told tpyr that in it will update uubuntu itself but it would take less space  of you do the updates thugh ubuntu it take up more space
[03:02] <hi_668> i use 13,93 verision
[03:02] <hi_668> 12.04 ubuntu
[03:02] <hi_668> 13.04 sorry
[03:03] <EDocToor> hi_668, I am lost.. what is your question again?
[03:03] <EDocToor> How to do updates is
[03:03] <EDocToor> apt-get updates
[03:03] <hi_668> i useing this as example
[03:04] <hi_668> thier a utorrent and their a u torrent lite
[03:04] <EDocToor> hi_668, if space is an issue.. use apt-get
[03:05] <EDocToor> is that your question
[03:05] <hi_668> synaptics  was supose to work as a lite lite mean less sapce
[03:05] <hi_668> i dont know im new to ubuntu
[03:05] <hi_668> lite mean taling less space in your hard drive
[03:05] <EDocToor> I don't know.. what to say but that person that you were talking to must know more than I
[03:07] <hi_668> ok whok i dont i lost too lol
[03:07] <EDocToor> I would help you,, but I just don't know.. I do understand .. but I don't understand why space is an issue
[03:07] <hi_668> i like this better than windows os itself
[03:07] <hi_668> it going to be some getting ust to i guess
[03:08] <EDocToor> if space is an issue UBUNTU has a MINI install .;;; Press during install and press F6 then choose mini
[03:08] <EDocToor> but it is way more complicated and you should find a web tutorial to expain the steps
[03:08] <hi_668> he said it you save you sapce
[03:09] <wo0f> hi_668: all Debian based distros use .deb
[03:09] <EDocToor> I get frustrated and put Ubuntu on the shelf every year.. as installing a package sometimes require tech knowledge
[03:09] <EDocToor> and i give up
[03:09] <hi_668> lol
[03:09] <wo0f> and apt-get is a core too for accessing the distro's repository of .debs
[03:10] <wo0f> dpkg installs the .debs
[03:10] <hi_668> it so better graphic are better than windows
[03:10] <wo0f> its the same
[03:10] <EDocToor> thanks for stepping in wo0f
[03:11] <wo0f> synaptic just uses apt-get underneath
[03:11] <wo0f> if youre looking for a cli tool, i use aptitude
[03:11] <wo0f> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[03:12] <EDocToor> wo0f, what does cli tool mean?
[03:12] <wo0f> command line interface
[03:12] <EDocToor> ok
[03:15] <hi_668> he said thie was a differnt way to install updates for ubuntu
[03:16] <hi_668> by puting in that synaptic command
[03:17] <EDocToor> hi_668, yes three ways: synaptics which is a front-end for apt-get... apt-get or aptitude which is a command line interface
[03:18] <EDocToor> I think he is asking the correct method of installing synaptic using the apt-get install... so I am guessing that synaptic is spelled differently; is this correct
[03:18] <wo0f> aptitude is a tool that runs at the CLI ;P
[03:18] <hi_668> like if the update in ubunut is a lot bigger and take up more sapce and the command will save you space like the dollar menu at mcdonalds
[03:18] <hi_668> lol
[03:19] <wo0f> its also a frontend for apt-get
[03:19] <EDocToor> $ sudo apt-get install synaptics
[03:19] <wo0f> hi_668: if you have a desktop GUI installed (like Unity) its not going to save any space
[03:20] <EDocToor> hi_668, how you obtain the download/software doen't change its size
[03:20] <wo0f> its doing the exact same thing, which ever way you update
[03:20] <hi_668> the verision i have 13.04
[03:20] <hi_668> 12.04 better than 13.04 ubuntu
[03:21] <wo0f> lol
[03:21] <wo0f> 12.04.2 is the LTS release
[03:21] <hi_668> o new i used ubumtu for like 3 days
[03:21] <EDocToor> so 12.04.2 is more stable
[03:21] <EDocToor> not uBUMtu
[03:21] <wo0f> ya, its supported for longer
[03:22] <wo0f> LOL ubumtu
[03:22] <EDocToor> too funny
[03:22] <hi_668> yo could give me a virus command and say type it in i would be stupid enoughf to put it in and gibe my self a virus
[03:22] <hi_668> lol
[03:22] <EDocToor> hi_668, you want 12.04.2 or the LTS ... that is for sure
[03:23] <hi_668> not the 13.04
[03:23] <wo0f> hi_668: if youre looking for something for light-weight, disk wise, you might want to try Xubuntu
[03:23] <hi_668> what the difference between the 12 and the 13
[03:23] <wo0f> which uses Xfce
[03:24] <wo0f> 12 is the Long Term Support release
[03:24] <EDocToor> Thirteen is on digit higher ... just kidding.. I am getting tired sorry
[03:24] <hi_668> i have like a ten year old dell
[03:24] <hi_668> insperion
[03:24] <hi_668> 9400
[03:24] <hi_668> made 2 months b4 vist came out
[03:24] <wo0f> what specs does that have?
[03:24] <EDocToor> that is old.. is it a laptop
[03:25] <hi_668> yes
[03:25] <EDocToor> then put back | track
[03:25] <EDocToor> on it
[03:25] <hi_668> what that
[03:25] <EDocToor> cop software for spying
[03:26] <hi_668> like i said you could give a command that would give me a virus and i be dumb seoughf to type it in
[03:26] <EDocToor> then stay away from the backtrack channel or website.. that is what they did to me
[03:27] <EDocToor> so don't feel bad
[03:27] <hi_668> im talking about you
[03:27] <EDocToor> I wouldn't do anything to harm anyone.. I am only here for good reasons
[03:28] <hi_668> tell me to put this command in and i would not know it would be a virus
[03:28] <EDocToor> as are the Ubuntu tribe
[03:28] <hi_668> i know im joking
[03:28] <EDocToor> ok
[03:28] <hi_668> with you i never used linux b4
[03:29] <hi_668> 4th day
[03:29] <hi_668> in life
[03:29] <hi_668> i will belive what ever you all say
[03:29] <EDocToor> hi_668, why don't you ask for a good tutorial.. to get the basics
[03:29] <EDocToor> maybe someone will answer
[03:30] <wo0f> ya, this really isn't the channel for it, someone will probably get annoyed at some point
[03:30] <hi_668> command are like ms dos form when i was little
[03:30] <EDocToor> I learned on a site called debain.org or something that sounded like that
[03:30] <wo0f> #ubuntu is where you want to be
[03:30] <EDocToor> that is true..
[03:31] <wo0f> ROFL are you flaming
[03:31] <EDocToor> this channel is for SERVERS..
[03:31] <wo0f> DEBAIN... lol
[03:31] <hi_668> i use the copy mether like in school find th ecommand and click and past it
[03:31] <hi_668> copying from you papper
[03:32] <EDocToor> wo0f, I am not knowing what flaming is.. if I am I guess I am sorry
[03:33] <EDocToor> hi_668,  you actually should watch the #ubuntu channel... just type
[03:33] <EDocToor>  /join #ubuntu
[03:33] <hi_668> like have you ever copied off somone school papper when you where in school
[03:34] <wo0f> lol- yes hi_668
[03:34] <hi_668> i google how to do this or that in google and copy and past
[03:34] <hi_668>  lol
[03:35] <wo0f> thats what everyone does ;P
[03:35] <hi_668> in termianl is my methode
[03:35] <hi_668> of ubuntu
[03:35] <hi_668> lol
[03:35] <hi_668> let them  do the work
[03:36] <wo0f> ...and get paid for it :P
[03:36] <wo0f> alternatively RTFM!
[03:37] <hi_668> lol yeo
[03:37] <hi_668> yep
[03:40] <hi_668> so you al want me to ge rid of thse files by rite click to trash casn and will that delete from the usb drive permently
[03:43] <hi_668> ok i downloaed ubuntu on to a  USB STICK
[03:46] <hi_668> you wont me to downloaded 12.04 lts and then go to unetbootin and download the WINDOWS OS BOOT and it will take sourgeforge websiite to download
[03:47] <wo0f> ommm, just follow this guide: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[03:48] <wo0f> Ubuntu generally has quite good documentation, and its only a Google away ;P
[03:52] <hi_668> ii know hhow to use the software
[03:54] <hi_668> vecuase i downloaded it  ubuntu from the usb stick but im going to get rid of the fiklesby high lighting  and send to trash can
[03:55] <hi_668> i going to high light them all rite cly click to send to  trash can
[04:48] <EDocToor> silly joke question: when I type /etc/init.d/mailman start  does the init.d stand for "In It Deep"?
[04:49] <EDocToor> well it helps me remember the init.d
[06:19] <nigelb> I used to use lxc fairly regularly, lately, I've noticed that the lxc networking isn't getting configured correctly.
[06:19] <nigelb> I haven't touched the configs.
[06:19] <nigelb> And I ahve this in my syslog http://www.privatepaste.com/74c9c6f096
[06:20] <nigelb> The only major change I've done is switch from using unity to lxde.
[06:20] <nigelb> Any ideas on what's going wrong?
[06:29] <EDocToor> Quick Question ;-) I hope;;; Is there a command that shows the partition with the mount point /
[06:33] <EDocToor> I have done this .. just can not remember... stab.. or something
[06:35] <sarnold> EDocToor: 'mount' will show you the current mounts
[06:35] <sarnold> EDocToor: /etc/fstab shows you what will be mounted at reboot
[06:35] <EDocToor> Sargun, Thanks.. that it
[06:37] <EDocToor> Are you still here... sarnold... you would be surprised how far I am not.. finished mail and now working on FTP wrapped in TLS sessions
[06:37] <EDocToor> All thanks to you... you are awesome
[06:37] <sarnold> EDocToor: ooof. ftp is a horrible, crufty protocol. do you have to support it? :)
[06:37] <EDocToor> and the others on this channel
[06:37] <sarnold> EDocToor: hehe, no, you did all the work, I just make suggestions. :)
[06:37] <EDocToor> This is a play box for learning.. nothing more
[06:38] <sarnold> ah, good. then you'll find out that ftp is a horrible crufty protocol in a safe, fun, environment. :)
[06:38] <EDocToor> ha ha ha ha ha
[06:39] <sarnold> nigelb: I don't know what exactly is wrong.. but the audit_printk_skb shows that not all apparmor messages are being logged; if you install auditd, the log messages will go to /var/log/audit/audit.log, and you'll be able to at least see what was being rejected
[06:39] <EDocToor> I really can not thank you guys enough.. I would be so lost reading these tutorials without a hint every now and again
[06:40] <nigelb> sarnold: aha, thanks, I'll try that.
[06:40] <sarnold> nigelb: some of the lxc containerization is enforced via apparmor, so I wouldn't just blindly add the rules to your profiles, but it might be something to consider
[06:41] <sarnold> EDocToor: hehe, yeah, there's nothing quite like a helpful hint at the right place and the right time :)
[06:41] <EDocToor> I have done a lot of work on my own.. it just doesn't make any sense to me yet..
[06:42] <EDocToor> but I have always loved command lines...
[06:42] <EDocToor> I was a MS-Dos batch code nut when I was a kid...
[06:43] <EDocToor> Well I got to get back at her..
[06:43] <EDocToor> tanks
[06:51] <sarnold> EDocToor: the command line is pretty awesome; there's nothing quite like being able to piece together a dozen nice little tools to solve a huge variety of complicated problems
[06:51] <sarnold> and the design is simple enough that adding new programs into the environment is pretty easy
[07:02] <nigelb> sarnold: hah, so this worked -> echo 1|sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[07:03] <nigelb> I believe that forced the containers to use ipv4.
[07:03] <sarnold> nigelb: ha!
[07:03] <sarnold> .. wonder why.
[07:03] <nigelb> I think I had set it before
[07:03] <sarnold> ohhhh
[07:03] <nigelb> and something recently changed it.
[07:03] <sarnold> still, seems odd.
[07:03] <nigelb> so, I just set it in /etc/sysctl.conf
[07:03] <EDocToor> sarnold, I have a question... that I have always wondered...
[07:04] <sarnold> nigelb: it might be worth filing a bugreport or asking hallyn when he returns (probably a few hours)
[07:04] <nigelb> I will :)
[07:04] <EDocToor> When the Ubuntu Server Boots.. a page of infomation FLICKERS BY... is there any way to read it.
[07:04] <sarnold> thanks
[07:05] <EDocToor> or see it.. like # history -w history.txt
[07:05] <sarnold> EDocToor: you can find most of it in /var/log/ somewhere -- /var/log/boot.log and /var/log/dmesg
[07:06] <EDocToor> tanks
[07:06] <sarnold> EDocToor: you might be able to hit ^S to stop the terminal, and ^Q to resume the terminal, but that's a big guess on my part. I have'nt done that in a decade or so..
[07:07] <sarnold> (haven't done that at boot recently; I use ^S and ^Q every five or six months. hehe. :)
[07:07] <sarnold> anyway, bedtime :) have fun
[07:07] <EDocToor> heha
[07:08] <EDocToor> me too ... 3 am
[07:08] <EDocToor> I can't this is way to exciting
[07:10] <EDocToor> What time is it for you sarnold ?
[07:26] <thurstylark> I have a server that I messed up the interfaces file on, and now I can't access it any more. I need to access the interfaces file through another machine with the root drive hooked up externally. It will mount, and I can see folders, but I cannot access the etc directory. Is there something I'm doing wrong?
[07:26] <Nilli> I can give users sudo permissions easily by "sudo adduser johndoe sudo" but how do I revoke sudo permissions if I only want to give them temporarily?
[07:27] <greppy> Nilli: an easy way is to edit /etc/group and remove them from the sudo group.
[07:27] <Nilli> greppy: oh, that's all? nice
[07:28] <greppy> Nilli: I haven't ever used it, but I think deluser can be used the same as adduser as well to remove them from the group.
[07:31] <Nilli> thanks, deluser seems to be what I was looking for
[07:42] <rbasak> yolanda_: bug 1189986 refers to real breakages such as segfaults - I'm not sure they should be Wishlist
[07:44] <yolanda_> i see, it's set as important in Debian
[07:45] <yolanda_> what do you think, maybe a medium priority?
[07:47] <rbasak> I'd go with Medium unless there's a particular reason to do anything differently.
[07:48] <rbasak> I'd also like to understand whether any of these would be fixed in a microrelease update. I think PHP should have a microrelease exception, but I haven't looked into it.
[07:56] <maxb> rbasak: It doesn't: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions
[08:08] <rbasak> maxb: yeah. I think maybe it should :)
[08:08] <rbasak> (depending on whether it meets all the criteria)
[08:08] <maxb> Well.... I'm not sure PHP's micro releases are strictly has bug-focussed as usually considered appropriate for a MRE
[08:08] <maxb> s/has/as
[08:09] <rbasak> That's interesting. Do you have an example?
[08:10] <maxb> No, just a vague opinion formed from a general perception of PHP :-)
[08:10] <maxb> I don't suppose PHP have a policy document for what's allowed in a microrelease?
[08:13] <rbasak> That's what I want to investigate.
[08:20] <yolanda_> jamespage, zul: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/python-cinderclient/havana/+merge/168416
[08:42] <yolanda_> https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/python-swiftclient/havana/+merge/168877
[09:37] <Will> morning all
[10:05] <_nbk_> hello all,
[10:05] <_nbk_> maybe someone can help me with MAAS enlisting nodes?
[10:06] <rbasak> !ask | _nbk_
[10:06] <rbasak> Also, if you don't get an answer here, try #maas
[10:07] <_nbk_> ok, thanks <rbasak>
[10:13] <ThothCastel> I am trying for the first time to install and configure ldap on my server
[10:13] <ThothCastel> for ldap configuratin, if my hostname is server.procopio.local then my settings will be dc=server,dc=procopio,dc=local or dc=procopio,dc=local
[10:13] <otaku_coder> hey, has anyone used the chris lea nodejs ppa? For some reason it doesn't keep older versions of 0.10.x around, only tracking upstream. This makes it difficult to use in our cfm tool (puppet) as teh version strings keep expiring
[10:14] <ThothCastel> also, if I setup the hostname after installing the ldap package, will this interfere negativelly in anything?
[10:14] <yeats> otaku_coder: you would need to contact the PPA maintainer about that
[10:18] <otaku_coder> yeats: sure, will do
[10:20] <ThothCastel> help pls
[10:21] <ThothCastel> if my hostname is server.procopio.local then should my settings in the LDIF file be dc=server,dc=procopio,dc=local    or dc=procopio,dc=local  ?
[10:21] <ThothCastel> following this https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/openldap-server.html
[10:41] <jazzkutya> hi
[10:42] <jazzkutya> newer usb hard disks above 2TB use 4kbyte logical sectors (probably physical too). I need information on from what version of ubuntu are these drives supported?
[10:49] <rbasak> jazzkutya: AIUI, they need no special support. However, on certain disks aligning partitions up to the newer sector size is needed to avoid a loss in performance. I'm not sure when the partitioner started doing this by default.
[10:50] <rbasak> It might be easiest for you to try the version of Ubuntu you want to use, and then examining the partition table to see if it's suitable aligned.
[10:51] <jazzkutya> no, this is not advanced format which only needs aligned partitions
[10:52] <jazzkutya> and i need this info to know what to expect on different boxes we have before buying this drive
[10:53] <rbasak> If it helps, I'm running (internal, SATA) 3TB drives on a 12.04 machine. They work fine.
[10:54] <jazzkutya> that probably reports 512byte logical sectors so it is more compatible with linux than these usb stuff i talk about
[10:54] <rbasak> I did need some GPT magic to make the system boot off it though. But presumably for external USB drives this doesn't apply to you.
[10:54] <jazzkutya> these usb drives switched to 4k logical sector sizes to allow compatibility with mbr partition tables
[10:55] <jazzkutya> result is compatibility with winxp but much worse compatibility with linux
[10:58] <rbasak> I see. Yeah - logical block size is 512.
[10:58] <rbasak> Sounds like you need to find out which kernel version supports what you need.
[10:59] <jazzkutya> that could help, yes
[10:59] <rbasak> 12.04.1 ships with 3.2. 12.04.2 ships with the quantal stack IIRC.
[11:00] <rbasak> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack for details of using newer kernels on 12.04.
[11:01] <rbasak> https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_4_KiB_sector_issues#L-1._Kernel_support suggests that you'll be fine on USB
[11:08] <jazzkutya> yes for 12.04 lts it seems so
[11:08] <smb> rbasak, jazzkutya I would say that support should be in at least since 3.2 (probably earlier).
[11:08] <jazzkutya> i would say we have a lot older boxes also but at first info on 12.04lts is fine for me :)
[11:08] <smb> as long as "blockdev --getpbsz <dev>" returns the hard serctor size
[11:09] <jazzkutya> you know what is funny about these usb disks? they use normal 512byte logical sector internal hard disks and they developed an usb controller for this that translates to 4k logical sectors
[11:10] <jazzkutya> so the driver translates from 4k to 512b then the usb bridge translates back to 4k
[11:10] <jazzkutya> lol
[11:10] <jazzkutya> all this for compatibility with winxp...
[11:12] <smb> Actually for winxp I would say you have to present 512 logical sectors because that is so old there were not any 4k drives around
[11:15] <jazzkutya> it seems not to be the case
[11:15] <jazzkutya> it seems winxp can use 4k very well or maybe i don't remember some detail of this trick for winxp compatibility
[11:16] <jazzkutya> but im sure they use 4k logical sectors to allow usage of mbr partition table explicitly for winxp
[11:18] <Danielamallocci> ciao a tutti
[11:37] <yolanda_> jamespage https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/swift/havana/+merge/168922
[12:11] <ThothCastel> why am I not able to ping the hostname of amy host machine?
[12:12] <mardraum> fix your dns?
[12:26] <ThothCastel> mardraum: my dns seems to be working just fine outside the vm
[12:28] <mardraum> it;s great you are giving so much information about your setup </sarcasm>
[12:50] <zul> jamespage:  http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/ca/
[12:51] <frojnd> Hi there.
[12:52] <frojnd> I was about to configure mail server and I was trying to enable amavis antivirus. I was about to integrate postfix: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixAmavisNew#Postfix_integration but I keep getting postfix: fatal: /etc/postfix/main.cf, line 69: missing '=' after attribute name: "smtp-amavis     unix    -       -       -       -       2       smtp        -o smtp_data_done_timeout=1200
[12:55] <frojnd> http://sprunge.us/XFJi
[12:56] <frojnd> This is /etc/postfix/main.cf
[12:56] <frojnd> It's a syntax error
[12:58] <frojnd> Any ideas what am I missing here :)
[12:58] <frojnd> That or wiki is outdated :P
[13:33] <frojnd> Any ideas? :)
[13:33] <frojnd> Didn't find out what's the cause of the problem
[13:36] <mdeslaur> soren: happy birthday :)
[13:39] <rbasak> frojnd: try looking at the documentation for the syntax of main.cf.
[13:39] <rbasak> Actually, isn't that line supposed to be in master.cf?
[13:40] <frojnd> rbasak: omg
[13:40] <frojnd> yeah I rered again wiki and I just noticed /etc/postfix/[main.cf|master.cf] :o
[13:41] <frojnd> I have to set higher value for monitor brightness
[13:43] <frojnd> I wonder what else did I missed, going to read again
[13:43] <frojnd> miss*
[13:50] <zul> yolanda_:  is this the errors you are getting with ceilometer https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1134575
[13:51] <yolanda_> zul, yes
[13:51] <yolanda_> i marked my bug as a dupe
[13:51] <zul> yolanda_:  ok kombu isnt the problem its another dep which ill update
[13:52] <yolanda_> ok
[13:52] <yolanda_> i just solved upgrading kombu, but maybe it was related with another module
[13:52] <zul> yolanda_:  nm i was wrong
[13:57] <ThothCastel_> is there a difference in configuring a client with dns using the /etc/resolv.conf and using the /etc/network/interfaces with the dns-search and dns-nameservers  ???
[14:09] <ThothCastel> is there a difference in configuring a client with dns using the /etc/resolv.conf and using the /etc/network/interfaces with the dns-search and dns-nameservers ???
[14:10] <pmatulis_> since 12.04 resolv.conf should no longer be hand-edited ThothCastel
[14:11] <pmatulis_> it's now a symlink:  /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[14:11] <pmatulis_> if you want to, make it a regular file and you will get back the traditional way of hand-editing
[14:12] <ThothCastel> pmatulis_: ok, so I should dd dns settings to the /etc/network/interfaces   as in https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html#name-resolution
[14:12] <ThothCastel> ?
[14:12] <pmatulis_> otherwise, use interfaces file
[14:13] <pmatulis_> dd?
[14:13] <ThothCastel> dd = add    sorry
[14:13] <pmatulis_> yes, use the interfaces file
[14:14] <ThothCastel> pmatulis_:   ok, many thanks
[14:39] <yolanda_> hi lamont, can we talk about bind9 issue? so you expose your opinion
[14:39] <lamont> sure
[14:39] <lamont> the basic question I have is: who is the intended audience for a changed version.bind?  and how will it be used?
[14:40] <yolanda_> zul, Daviey ^
[14:40] <zul> yolanda_:  its mostly stats gathering but Daviey can say more
[14:40] <lamont> if I was going to do it, I'd use something based on [ -x /usr/bin/lsb_release ] && lsb_relaese -si || echo Debian/GNU inside of configure (and configure.in)
[14:41] <zul> lamont:  i tend to agree
[14:41] <lamont> (in the debian package, I really don't want to fork it for ubuntu unless there's a really really good reason to)
[14:41] <lamont> historically, version.bind has been about the version, not the packaging, so adding a distribution.bind to the namespace would be less likely to produce the same kind of ire.
[14:41] <lamont> from those who ire.
[14:42] <lamont> OTOH, it produces a different kind of ire from those who believe that chaos/bind belongs to upstream en toto.
[14:44] <yolanda_> zul, what do you think?
[14:44] <lamont> zul: Daviey: highlight me so I notice, eh?
[14:45] <zul> lamont:  oh im highlighting you, :) i totally agree with you  should be done in the debian package
[14:47] <lamont> zul: my take is "should be in the debian package if done at all, now help me understand why"
[14:47] <lamont> zul: (the highlight comment was more of a "I'm going to wander off and do things I should be doing right now" comment)
[14:49] <zul> lamont: if its going to be done it should be in  the debian packaging
[14:49] <lamont> +5000
[14:50] <zul> so yolanda_ , so yeah prep something and let lamont have a look since lamont maintains it in debian
[14:52] <lamont> hrm.  that reminds me, I think I'm supposed to upload something for bind9
[14:52] <lamont> something for this evening, to be sure
[14:55] <lamont> like, 9.9.3-P1, say
[14:57] <yolanda_> ok
[15:05] <hallyn> hm, who's our newest motu?
[15:05] <hallyn> eh,
[15:06] <hallyn> smoser: do you mind pushing http://people.canonical.com/~serge/libcgroup-symlink/libcgroup_0.37.1-1ubuntu11.dsc (for precise SRU)
[15:06] <smoser> 404
[15:06] <smoser> hallyn, i can do that for you. will also work on utlemming's sru
[15:07] <smoser> hallyn, but i can't do it until you fix 404
[15:07] <hallyn> hm
[15:08] <hallyn> what the...
[15:09] <hallyn> oh, i see, a pcc feature i hadn't considered
[15:09] <hallyn> smoser: fixed
[15:09] <hallyn> (trailing '/', so it pushed the .dsc without the directory)
[15:14] <zul> adam_g_:  png
[15:16] <rbasak> lamont: talking about bind, can you look again at bug 1090593? If not, please could you upload my proposed SRU if we're not going to get anything better? Assuming it's not out-of-date now.
[15:19] <smoser> hallyn, shoot.
[15:19] <smoser> your version number wasnt right.
[15:19] <smoser> and i uploaded.
[15:19] <hallyn> ?
[15:19] <smoser> Daviey, you're a archive admin, can you reject my libcgroup upload to precise-proposed ?
[15:19] <hallyn> oh effing quantal
[15:20] <hallyn> sorry
[15:20] <hallyn> very sorry
[15:20] <smoser> wait. you wanted preicse-proposed
[15:20] <smoser> right?
[15:20] <hallyn> yeah
[15:20] <hallyn> lemme fix and repush
[15:20] <smoser> you used '0.37.1-1ubuntu11', better would have been '0.37.1-1ubuntu10.12.04' or '0.37.1-1ubuntu11.1'
[15:20] <hallyn> sru acceptor should catch that though.  i
[15:20] <hallyn> i know
[15:20] <hallyn> if daviey's not around i can go tell infinity what i dumbass i was
[15:20] <smoser> err.. ubuntu10.1
[15:20] <smoser> make sure you add my name too
[15:21] <smoser> as i just did the upload :)
[15:21] <hallyn> no wait, isn't quantal on a newer version #? (0.38)
[15:21] <hallyn> checking,
[15:21] <hallyn> yeah no, the precise version # should be fine...
[15:22] <hallyn> checking history
[15:25] <hallyn> smoser: http://people.canonical.com/~serge/libcgroup-symlink/libcgroup-symlink/libcgroup_0.37.1-1ubuntu10.1.dsc
[15:26] <smoser> hallyn, right.
[15:27] <hallyn> smoser: thanks.  you can go ahead and push, no need to wait for the other to be kicked
[15:27] <smoser> it wasn't specifically wrong.
[15:27] <smoser> just more obvious as sru with the version number.
[15:27] <hallyn> smoser: and recommended as such by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation
[15:28] <hallyn> based on memory, I was thinking we only did .1 if the newer release shared the version #
[15:28] <hallyn> but it's actually recommended to always do it.  makes sense too
[15:28] <smoser> yeah, its better with the .1, but here woudn't cause upgrade issues.
[15:29] <smoser> Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):
[15:29] <smoser>   Uploading libcgroup_0.37.1-1ubuntu10.1.dsc: done.
[15:29] <smoser>   Uploading libcgroup_0.37.1-1ubuntu10.1.debian.tar.gz: done.
[15:29] <smoser>   Uploading libcgroup_0.37.1-1ubuntu10.1_source.changes: done.
[15:29] <smoser> Successfully uploaded packages.
[15:30] <smoser> utlemming, ping
[15:30] <utlemming> smoser: pong
[15:31] <smoser> in lp:~utlemming/ubuntu/raring/isc-dhcp/64bit_time.lp1189571 (https://code.launchpad.net/~utlemming/ubuntu/raring/isc-dhcp/64bit_time.lp1189571)
[15:31] <smoser> the changes differ from those in saucy
[15:31] <smoser> was that by design ?
[15:31] <smoser> saucy: isc_interval_set(&interval, sec, usec * 1000);
[15:31] <smoser> raring-branch: isc_interval_set(&interval, sec & DHCP_SEC_MAX, usec * 1000);
[15:32] <smoser> your quantal branhc is same as raring branch
[15:32] <utlemming> smoser: looking....they should be the same, afaik
[15:33] <hallyn> smoser: thanks again
[15:33] <genii> Zentyal install seems busted for me on 64bit. Does it need multiarch or something?
[15:33] <smoser> hallyn, as i look at utlemming's changes, i see that both jdstrand and mdeslaur uploaded full number ubuntuX in the isc-dhcp package to quantal.
[15:34] <smoser> so its probably "ok", and we/I should have probably just left it.
[15:36] <utlemming> smoser: okay, I'm lost...I just diff'ed the branches and I don't see a difference.
[15:36] <utlemming> smoser: I didn't change the isc_interval_Set(..)
[15:37] <smoser> but you should have
[15:37] <smoser> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=600673
[15:38] <smoser> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/dhcp.git/tree/dhcp-4.2.4-P1-interval.patch
[15:39] <utlemming> smoser: yeah, I see that....crap
[15:40] <lamont> rbasak: wilco
[15:40] <smoser> utlemming, so if you dont mind, could you re-do those branches with
[15:40] <smoser>  * the same patch (including patch header) as went into saucy
[15:40] <smoser>     (refreshed if needed)
[15:40] <smoser>  * the same patch *name* as in saucy
[15:41] <smoser>  * test the build output on azure
[15:42] <utlemming> smoser: yeah, I can do that
[16:06] <Daviey> smoser: yes
[16:06] <smoser> never mind. we're settled.
[16:07] <Daviey> smoser: ok
[16:07] <Daviey> smoser: libcgroup doesn
[16:07] <Daviey> smoser: libcgroup doesn't need rejecting?
[16:09] <smoser> well, i uploaded 2 version
[16:09] <smoser> ubuntu11 and ubuntu10.1
[16:09] <smoser> the 11 could be rejected, but in the end either is actually fine.
[16:09] <smoser> but there are 2, so one needs rejecting
[16:10] <Enich> In the ubuntu kickstarter file, there is the option %post     Is this executed after the machine has installed and has been rebooted ?  or am i totally wrong ?
[16:10] <Daviey> smoser: looks already rejected?
[16:11] <virusuy> howdy gents
[16:37] <streulma> hi, I have an openvpn-server and virtualbox vboxnet0, how can I route traffic to the vboxnet0 network ?
[16:48] <jdstrand> smoser: I am lacking context, but the SECURITY UPDATE versions to quantal were still before quantal was released, so we used standard ubuntuX versioning for the dev release as opposed to ubuntuX.Y, which we employ on stable releases
[16:48] <smoser> ah.
[16:48] <smoser> that makes sense then.
[16:48] <smoser> thank you for clearing that up.
[16:49] <jdstrand> np
[16:49] <smoser> you seemed to do fine without context :)
[16:54] <jamespage> smoser, how exactly is the automatic mirror resolution mean't to work n cloud-init?
[16:55] <jamespage> I'm trying to hack an openstack cloud to use a local mirror by providing a suitable dns entry
[16:55] <jamespage> but I can't get it to work
[16:55] <jamespage> I *think* it might be a problem with the config-drive datasource but I'm not 100% sure
[17:01] <smoser> jamespage, you're trying to feed data in via cloud-config ?
[17:01] <smoser> or trying to have it discover it via dns
[17:01] <jamespage> smoser, no - I'm trying to hack http://$ac.cloud.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:01] <jamespage> ac/az
[17:01] <smoser> right.
[17:02] <smoser> jamespage, it doesn't look like its possible with config-drive
[17:03] <smoser> hm..
[17:04] <smoser> wait. it should work.
[17:04] <smoser> but note, its going to look for
[17:05] <smoser> http://%(availability_zone)s.clouds.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[17:05] <smoser> clouds
[17:05] <smoser> (plural)
[17:06] <smoser> jamespage, ^
[17:28] <zul> adam_g_:  http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/ca/
[17:30] <adam_g_> zul, +1
[17:45] <EDocToor> !seen Will
[17:45] <EDocToor> !spoke Will
[17:49] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here know of a tutorial for properly getting an image from http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/precise/current/ pulled into a devstack deployment?
[18:29] <EDocToor> Good Morning/day/night Ubuntu Server Channel
[18:41] <virusuy> EDocToor: hi!
[19:00] <n00b123> hi guys, need help here. I'm having permissions problems on a ubuntu 12.04 server. The system is under raid 1 lvm and one o the lv is /cameras. I have chown to the cameras:cameras user and chmod -r 666 but when I am the user cameras I can not cd int /cameras (permission denied) and when I ls --l /cameras it says d????????? ? ? ? ?     folder-name, for all folders. But when I sudo su and cd goes normal, no problems
[19:02] <sarnold> n00b123: to 'cd' into a directory, the directory's mode needs to include the executable bit -- typically, mode octet 5 or 7 ...
[19:03] <sarnold> n00b123: you might want to run a command like find /camera -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \;     or 777 if you would really rather allow everyone on the computer to read / write / delete all the data
[19:05] <n00b123> what about sudo chmod -R 777 cameras ?? is it ok to
[19:05] <n00b123> trying it
[19:05] <n00b123> read and write for all for test first
[19:05] <n00b123> got better
[19:06] <n00b123> thanks
[19:06] <sarnold> n00b123: mode 777 is dangerous, that'd allow anyone to write any data into any of the files and then allow someone else to execute, perhaps accidentally, any of those files. that's dangerous. :)
[19:06] <n00b123> that's. my nickname says it all
[19:07] <n00b123> I know that sarnold, thanks for the advice. Because I was having the permissions problem i tryed 777, and 666 before, now going back to 755
[19:07] <n00b123> thanks
[19:07] <EDocToor> Wow.. I can see how that could be dangerous
[19:11] <virusuy> 777 in unix permissions is like 666 , the number of the beast
[19:11] <EDocToor> Dumb question ... if i used edoc.icyourrc.com as my FQDN within my Ubuntu Server the www.icyourrc.com is only accessable locally until I get it linked to a nameserver... Am I lost, or am I close?
[19:12] <virusuy> to resolv that domain you will always need a DNS server
[19:12] <virusuy> if you want to resolv locally, just put in your /etc/hosts file
[19:12] <EDocToor> Thanks
[19:12] <EDocToor> done
[19:13] <virusuy> cool
[19:13] <EDocToor> That was my very first. BRIGHT LIGHT moment.. for you it may be obvious
[19:13] <virusuy> lol, don't worry
[19:14] <virusuy> nobody knows everything
[19:17] <soren> mdeslaur: thanks!
[19:19] <EDocToor> and something large groups of people think they know; Ex; Global Warming, will happen anyway as the Earth natural Orbit will naturally move so close to the sun that all life will on land will die; this is known as there is a two foot CRISPY layer found deep down in our Earth crust.. Also when the Earth Orbit moves TOO far way from the sun the Earth gathered a layer of dust.. it wasn't an astorode that killed the dinsoures it was
[19:19] <EDocToor> the Earth moving into space as it will do again. IMHO
[19:43] <shodan45> pros/cons to using nginx from the nginx.org repo vs normal ubuntu repo?
[20:36] <hallyn> roaksoax: bug 1185261 , is that a supported use case, do you know?
[20:38] <roaksoax> hallyn: not that I know of
[20:42] <roaksoax> smoser: around?
[20:42] <smoser> here
[20:42] <roaksoax> smoser: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maas/+bug/1185261
[20:43] <roaksoax> smoser: does commissioning bring up both interfaceS?
[20:43] <smoser> no
[20:43] <smoser> i think i told this person to open this bug.
[20:44] <smoser> i think it is valid usecase.
[20:44] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah, but not at the same time
[20:44] <smoser> but in this case, maas is going to have to know something about the network interfaces.
[20:44] <roaksoax> smoser: because commissioning will contact the maas server for apt_proxy
[20:45] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah
[20:45] <smoser> well, ideally maas could be told that the apt_proxy was elsewher.e
[20:45] <smoser> and that would pass on through
[20:45] <smoser> the reason this is hard is that we can't just say "dhcp all interfaces"
[20:45] <smoser> because if we did that we'd either have to
[20:45] <smoser> a.) wait for a response on all of them [indefinitely]
[20:46] <smoser> b.) background and just go on
[20:46] <smoser> a. results in hang if there are no dhcp servers on other nics
[20:46] <smoser> b. results in race conditions
[20:46] <hallyn> ok - thanks, so i'll mark this triaged low priority
[20:47] <smoser> so the only solution is to have maas know that its supposed to tell commissioning to wait on eth1 (and even *that* has to be done probably by MAC)
[20:47] <roaksoax> syeah
[20:49] <roaksoax> smoser: but that doesn't change the fact that cloud-init could configure all interfaces to dhcp from
[20:49] <roaksoax> smoser: because in this case, he isusing 1 isolated network to do stuff, and a second network for internfet
[20:50] <roaksoax> but the second network is not being brought up at all
[20:50] <roaksoax> not even for DHCP
[20:50] <roaksoax> so in this case
[20:50] <roaksoax> MAAS shjould not care how many network interfaces the node has
[20:50] <roaksoax> but cloud-init should just bring up all of them
[20:50] <roaksoax> what do you thinkl?
[20:50] <smoser> roaksoax, it can't.
[20:50] <smoser> or one of a or b are still relevant
[20:51] <smoser> ie, i can't just say "always dhcp on all nics"
[20:51] <smoser> because you either wait for all nics, or go on. if you wait, then you wait possibly forever.
[20:51] <smoser> if you go on, possibly 'apt-get update' happens before eth1 (in this case) has gotten an address.
[20:51] <roaksoax> smoser: right but you wait for a few seconds, if not, then no need to keep on waiting right?
[20:52] <jcastro> roaksoax: any feedback from people wrt. MAAS via SRU?
[20:52] <jcastro> good or bad?
[20:52] <smoser> what is the right value for "a few seconds"
[20:52] <roaksoax> jcastro: haven't heard any
[20:52] <roaksoax> smoser: well in maas don't we set 200somthing for d-i?
[20:53] <smoser> so you would delay *all* boots by 200 seconds ?
[20:53] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/861866 for refernece.
[20:53] <smoser> (60 seconds was found to be too low)
[20:53] <roaksoax> smoser: ok so make that the same case for all interfaces
[20:54] <roaksoax> smoser: so not just configure eth0
[20:54] <roaksoax> but configure all
[20:54] <smoser> but then you have to wait [for how long?] for each one.
[20:54] <roaksoax> that doesn't mean that cloud-init will have to wait 5(interfaces) *120 seconds
[20:54] <smoser> and, for the record, it doesn't wait for "eth0"
[20:54] <smoser> it waits for BOOTIF
[20:55] <roaksoax> smoser: right (but in this case I'm assuming it is eth0)
[20:55] <smoser> but by waiting up to 120 seconds, and then going on, you're delaying boot of the current "just works" case by 120 seconds!
[20:55] <roaksoax> smoser: right, aren't you already doing that with BOOTIF?
[20:56] <roaksoax> smoser: what i'm saying is make /etc/network/interfaces configure all interfaces to dhcp and let it be
[20:57] <roaksoax> smoser: right now we can wait the 120 seconds for BOOTIF, but *also* configure the rest of the interfaces to dhcp
[20:57] <roaksoax> but *not* wait for them to get dhcp
[20:57] <roaksoax> this would solve this case
[20:57] <roaksoax> this in reality wouldn't make it a maas bug after all then
[20:59] <roaksoax> smoser: is this the same case for the installer?
[21:05] <roaksoax> smoser: so in this particular case, it is not really up to MAAS to know/configure the second network during the commissioning environment
[21:05] <smoser> roaksoax, we wait indefinitely on BOOTIF
[21:06] <smoser> because, for maas we know that BOOTIF has a dhcp response on it.
[21:07] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah, but if a physical node has 2 network interfaces (eth0, eth1), bueing eth0 BOOTIF. Cloud-init waits for for eth0 DHCP to come up and once that happens, it contacts the MAAS server right?
[21:07] <roaksoax> smoser: but at this point eth1 has not being configured at all right?
[21:08] <roaksoax> smoser: so what I'm saying is continue to do what we do, which is wait for BOOTIF, and if it gets a DHCP address, then continue with what it should do, but *also* make sure eth1 is set to DHCP, but we don't care if eth1 got an IP address or not
[21:09] <roaksoax> smoser: that shoulod cover the case scenario where we have a different network for internet
[21:09] <roaksoax> because up until this point, we assume that MAAS will always have external network access
[21:09] <roaksoax> and that's how we've been working all along
[21:10] <smoser> roaksoax, but all you're doing is exposing yourself to a race condition
[21:10] <smoser> where BOOTIF ocmes up fast, cloud-init runs 'apt-get update', eth1 comes up , blamo!
[21:11] <smoser> "doesnt work ever" is arguably better than "works sometimes on thursdays"
[21:11] <roaksoax> smoser: ok fair enough
[21:11] <smoser> the solution si for MAAS to know something about networking
[21:11] <smoser> which is something you were asking for anyway
[21:11] <smoser> in order to support the vlan case
[21:11] <roaksoax> smoser: then we should simply say that MAAS managed network needs to have external network access for it to work, (or an aaccessible mirror)
[21:12] <roaksoax> smoser: the vlan case was really being able to tell eth1, to be configured to dhcp for vlan 2020, eth0 for 2021, etc, etc
[21:12] <smoser> if maas knows about the expected networking, then it can tell the commisioning environment "you'll need to configuer MAC=AA:BB:CC as dhcp and wait"
[21:12] <smoser> right. but maas has to know to tell the nodes that.
[21:13] <roaksoax> smoser: it doesn't have to *know*
[21:13] <roaksoax> smoser: it simply has to allow me to define that I want in cloud-config format and allow cloud-init to do it
[21:13] <smoser> right.
[21:13] <roaksoax> smoser: or allow me to have a post install shell script that does that for me
[21:13] <smoser> it has to know "this machine" (or possibly all machines) are configured like this
[21:14] <roaksoax> smoser: right, but that's why it is by machine, and that's easy to do
[21:14] <roaksoax> you only "import" what's been set for a "particular" machine
[21:14] <roaksoax> and you handle that via templating
[21:14] <roaksoax> so each machine would have their own node.post_inst_params for example
[21:14] <roaksoax> so node.post_inst_params would be different for each if set differently
[21:15] <roaksoax> smoser: having specific knowledge of what network interfaces there are and tell it how you want them to be configured would be a nice feature too
[21:16] <roaksoax> but that still would require maas to tell some cloud-config code or shell for d-i post instll
[21:16] <smoser> the simplist solution is really to just allow a network-interfaces file to be shoved down
[21:16] <smoser> per-node
[21:17] <smoser> and that to be used then
[21:17] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah
[21:21] <roaksoax> smoser: the only thing though is that we would always have to prevent overriding the manual configuration for BOOTIF
[21:31] <EDocToor> sarnold, Thanks I have now finished my Ubuntu Server with (Apache2, BIND, Dovecot, ISPConfig 3) installed and configured... all thanks to you... I would never in a million years known that I would have had to put a "1" in my static address 192.168.1.121
[21:32] <EDocToor> a million times X Thanks
[21:32] <sarnold> EDocToor: hehe, glad to have helped :)
[21:36] <EDocToor> I have a question sarnold ; I already have a host ; hosting www.icyourrc.com and I setup my UBuntu Server as icyourrc.com can I switch the DNS nameserver information and start hosting from my Practice icyourr.com Ubuntu Server Play Box.. if so, what URL or Google keywords would provide me with a good tutorial to do such a thing?
[21:37] <EDocToor> LETS GO LIVE hehe
[21:38] <sarnold> EDocToor: it's complicated because you'd need to configure your router to perform port-forwarding for all services you wish to run on your machine
[21:38] <EDocToor> I can do that
[21:38] <sarnold> EDocToor: you'd then need to update your NS records with your router's IP address, and wait for the old data to expire out of DNS caches all over the world..
[21:38] <EDocToor> I have a dd-wrt hacked router
[21:39] <EDocToor> I can do that
[21:39] <EDocToor> ;-) But should I?
[21:40] <sarnold> depends upon your ISPs Acceptable Use Policy :)
[21:40] <EDocToor> good point
[21:45] <EDocToor> sarnold, now I am off to the ubuntu channel to in install and configure a another Ubuntu Box for GUI .. actually I am think about Kubuntu.. thanks again ;-)
[21:46] <sarnold> EDocToor: have fun :)
[21:46] <EDocToor> You know it !!!
[22:33] <EDocToor> Question: I have my Ubuntu Server attached to my dd-wwrt router and another ubuntu standard attached as well.. but when I go to the standard ubuntu box and click on file browser: Network the server doesn't show? do I have to edit a file on the Server to tell the server that it can share a folder or something?
[22:33] <sarnold> EDocToor: in what way do you want to share files? NFS? SMB? something else?
[22:34] <EDocToor> Samba..
[22:35] <sarnold> EDocToor: okay, then apt-get install samba on the server and configure the smb.conf to export the directories you want :)
[22:36] <EDocToor> Cake... this is so exciting... ha ha haaaaa