[00:26] <firefly5x> when is Ubuntu touch going to be ported to the LG phones ???
[00:27] <firefly5x> I will take an answer from anyone
[00:27] <firefly5x> it was supposed to be stabe by the end of May.....how goes the progress
[00:31] <firefly5x> ok...no one is going to answer
[00:31] <firefly5x> i will be leaving soon
[00:38] <RAOF> firefly5x: I don't believe that we have any plans to port UT to LG phones, but the community may have already done it?
[00:38] <RAOF> (Other than the Nexus 4, obviously)
[00:39] <firefly5x> I just know RAOF that they have been  working on alot of phones by different people
[00:40] <firefly5x> Well i have to get off.....everyone have a good night.....
[00:42] <firefly5x> or day depending where you are
[01:26] <bevo> does anyone know how close gsm data is?
[01:39] <AskUbuntu> Questions about Ubuntu Phone | http://askubuntu.com/q/307084
[01:52] <dejello> Hey all, anyone know where I should start looking for fixing  a non-existant battery indicator?
[03:02] <djcanadajeff> I have google Nexus S I would like to try ubuntu phone is this possible? I am already rooted and have fastboot mode and clockwork mod recovery
[04:17] <AskUbuntu> Porting for Dummies how do I? | http://askubuntu.com/q/307118
[05:14] <bevo> does anyone know how close gsm data is?
[05:42] <djcanadajeff> ubuntu touch will have a full on bash terminal?
[05:47] <duflu> djcanadajeff: It has remote shell access right now via (1) adb shell or (2) ssh. I've also seen a prototype native (Qt) shell on Mir. So yes there will be options
[05:48] <duflu> But not necessarily options available by default
[06:28] <dholbach> good morning
[06:31] <Mirv> hmm, is something using the "qmlscene-ubuntu" executable from qtubuntu, or is it truly an 'example' as it's under such directory?
[06:31] <Mirv> (and what is it in the first place, some qmlscene with -platform ubuntu or something?)
[07:47] <Mirv> I grepped through the device filesystem and found no direct users, so I guess it's safe to move it to an examples package
[08:15] <hckkid> anyone able to install ubuntu touch on galaxy tab 2 P3100
[08:17] <hckkid> i was able to for quantal rom but not raring one
[08:34] <seb128> ogra_, hey
[08:34] <ogra_> yo
[08:34] <seb128> ogra_, I think I read some weeks ago that you were working aggregating all the licenses infos from the touch image ... is that stored somewhere on the image?
[08:35] <seb128> if yes, "where?" ;-)
[08:35] <ogra_> seb128, nope, and i only ran a licensecheck across the android tree and sorted by licenses
[08:36] <seb128> hum, k
[08:36] <seb128> do you know if anyone is working on that/if that's planned?
[08:36] <ogra_> nope, i dont, i know that we will need that stuff for the android packaging
[08:37] <seb128> the "about this device" panel has a "software licenses" section that's supposed to "navigate to a single “Software Licenses” screen that consists of a single text view listing all the licenses for included software"
[08:37] <ogra_> if you just want a list of the licenses for installed apps, /usr/share/doc has the copyright files
[08:37] <seb128> no, I think we want an access to the licenses that are part of the OS
[08:38] <seb128> android has that as well, I guess it's a legal requirement
[08:38] <seb128> "settings -> about this device -> legal mentions" on android gives you an endless list of apk and licenses
[08:38] <ogra_> sure, but the only safe way would be to parse /usr/share/doc either at build time or at runtime
[08:39] <seb128> well, will our "base image" have all its licenses in /usr/share/doc?
[08:39] <ogra_> it currently does we dont have unpackaged software atm
[08:40] <nik90> ckpringle: ping
[08:40] <ogra_> and if it is püackaged it has to have a copyright file
[08:40] <seb128> ok, I though the base image might not be fully made of .deb in the futur
[08:40] <seb128> which is why I was wondering
[08:40] <ogra_> i think for assembling it we will always use debs
[08:40] <seb128> ogra_, I will start with that, thanks
[08:41] <ogra_> we might delete the package DB before publishing or such stuff
[08:41] <h01ger> whats the container flip mentioning in the kernel team meeting minutes?
[08:41] <ogra_> but i thionk you can rely on debs as the initial base
[08:41] <ogra_> h01ger, i'm working on banning android into an lxc container and boot directly into the ubuntu rootfs
[08:42] <h01ger> ogra_, awesome
[08:42] <ogra_> with a little luck we are done by end of the week with the developer image
[08:42] <h01ger> nice
[08:42] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ there are already pretty experimental ones
[08:42]  * h01ger is personally mostly blocked by the lack of PIN support, my SIM has one...
[08:43] <ogra_> (boots on maguro and mako, the next build should also work partially on grouper (adb at least))
[08:43] <ogra_> you could disable the PIN in an android phone
[08:43] <h01ger> ogra_, this android container is pretty pretty nifty
[08:44] <ogra_> well with the flip and udev running on the ubuntu side it produces a lot of headaches :)
[08:44] <ogra_> we are still fiddling on a proper solution for that
[08:44] <h01ger> oh. didnt know that. (not that i have an android phone..
[08:44] <h01ger> (disable pin)
[08:45] <ogra_> android comes with a tool to change and unset the pin
[08:45] <ogra_> (and to set it again indeed)
[08:45] <h01ger> ic
[08:45] <ogra_> i assume we will have such a thing too at some point
[08:45] <ckpringle> nik90: hey
[08:45] <ckpringle> nik90: sorry I missed you yesterday
[08:45] <h01ger> ogra_, well, i hope first there is PIN support :)
[08:46] <ogra_> haha, yeah thats kind of a requirement :)
[08:47] <h01ger> :)
[08:47] <h01ger> seems to be pretty simple with AT commands: http://www.dostmuhammad.com/blog/disable-pin-code-using-gsm-modem-at-commands/
[08:50] <ogra_> yeah, well, you need to talk directly to rild i think  ... and rild is a vendor distributed binary blob with not 100% defined api it seems ... so vendors can change behavior etc
[08:50] <ogra_> it was already problematic to get ofono to talk to both supported nexus phones in the same way
[08:50] <ogra_> (ofono sits on top of rild)
[08:50] <h01ger> ic. (+ouch)
[09:45] <Siddo> hey
[09:45] <Siddo> anyone there?
[09:50] <Siddo> Does anyone know what ram to install for samsung galaxy ace?
[09:52] <cdesai> Siddo: try grabbing some RAM from http://www.downloadmoreram.com/
[09:53] <Siddo> not that RAM! to install ubuntu touch on my phone!
[09:54] <Toro> Hi!
[09:54] <Toro> Did someone have instaled Ubuntu on Prestigio 4500 touch phone?
[09:57] <AskUbuntu> How to install ubuntu touch on my android phone? | http://askubuntu.com/q/307223
[09:58] <tchebb> Does Ubuntu Touch currently use X or Mir? The documentation on the site seems extremely poor with regards to the core components in use.
[09:58] <ogra_> it uses surfaceflinger and will switch to Mir soon
[10:00] <tchebb> ogra_: I see. Thanks.
[10:13] <alfonsojon> Hey
[10:13] <alfonsojon> Anyone here familiar with the ARM Chromebook?
[10:14] <alfonsojon> I noticed it's EXTREMELY similar to the Nexus 10, and I was wondering if I could get Ubuntu Touch on my chromebook
[10:14] <alfonsojon> considering they have the same GPU, CPU, and board.
[10:15] <ogra_> you would need a properly working android port first ...
[10:15] <alfonsojon> true...
[10:15] <ogra_> and then you would have to live with a touch UI on a device without touchscreen ...
[10:15] <alfonsojon> I know
[10:15] <alfonsojon> I want to do this as a "just because" kind of thing
[10:16] <ogra_> additionally there is no cursor support ... so you would have to navigate blind
[10:16] <alfonsojon> well then
[10:16] <alfonsojon> okay nevermind.
[10:16] <alfonsojon> Another question
[10:16] <ogra_> you can run the normal ubuntu arm on a chromebook ... with a desktop install
[10:16] <alfonsojon> Actually, I can't because it cannot initialize the graphics
[10:17] <alfonsojon> so x11 can't even live
[10:17] <ogra_> xfbdev should just work
[10:17] <alfonsojon> I tried that
[10:17] <ogra_> (completely unaccelerated indeed)
[10:17] <alfonsojon> Plymouth refuses to load
[10:17] <alfonsojon> and I hate the idea of unaccelerated
[10:17] <ogra_> and there is an armsoc driver that should work too
[10:17] <alfonsojon> This brings me to another question
[10:17] <ogra_> but only partially accelerated
[10:17] <alfonsojon> What display driver is Ubuntu Touch for the Nexus 10 using?
[10:17] <alfonsojon> nevermind
[10:18] <alfonsojon> totally different display server
[10:18] <alfonsojon> >.<
[10:18] <ogra_> best is to talk to "hrw" in #ubuntu-arm .... he does a lot of the chromebook stuff
[10:18] <alfonsojon> I'll head over
[10:18] <ogra_> ubuntu touch uses androids surfaceflinger currently
[10:18] <ogra_> and switches to Mir soon
[10:19] <alfonsojon> whcih means no accelerated graphics, yay :D
[10:19] <alfonsojon> (on the desktop version)
[10:19] <ogra_> well, armsoc kind of works with the chromeos GLES libs
[10:19] <aryo_adhi> Hi all!
[10:19] <alfonsojon> Hey aryo
[10:20] <alfonsojon> I heard that there's an accelerated driver in the 13.10 repos?
[11:24] <force_> Hi
[11:29] <alfonsojon> Hey
[11:32] <om26er> there is a regression in the shell, starting an app from commandline does not bring that app to the front...
[11:32] <om26er> if there is an already running and focused application then the newly start app from terminal comes to the front
[11:37] <alfonsojon> File a bug report :)
[11:38] <ogra_> om26er, i think the first one was always like this ... you should see it in the apps lens in the running apps though
[11:39] <om26er> ogra_, that was if the --desktop_file_hint parameter was not provided, but I am using dektop_file_hint as well
[11:39] <om26er> so its clearly a regression, it was working a few days ago. It makes autopilot testing problematic because our app does not come to focus in its test run..
[11:40] <ogra_> ah, yeah
[12:18] <popey>  /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-addressbook-factory appears to be eating the CPU in my phone
[12:18] <popey>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S  %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[12:18] <popey>  2062 phablet   20   0 98916   9m 5696 S  94.4  0.5   8:16.46 evolution-addre
[12:18]  * popey wonders where to file that
[12:29] <davmor2> popey: evolution-addressbook-factory ;)  iirc correct device specific issues were being filed against the device so I would say file it against nexus4 and write the bug out in full
[12:49] <pmcgowan> popey, did you file that against the preview image?
[12:50] <popey> pmcgowan: was about to, yes
[12:50] <seb128> hey qml guys, what's the recommended way to add some empty spaces between elements in a column?
[12:51] <penk> seb128: "spacing"
[12:51] <penk> seb128: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-column.html#spacing-prop
[12:51] <seb128> penk, sorry, let me reformulate "between 2 specific elements"
[12:52] <seb128> like I've element1-2-3-<want a break>-element-3-4-5
[12:52] <seb128> ups
[12:52] <seb128> 4-5-6
[12:52] <seb128> I tried adding a rectangle, but that feels hackish and it has a background color which is not the same as the column background
[12:52] <popey> pmcgowan: bug 1190218
[12:53] <penk> hmm in column I don't know any best practice
[13:00] <seb128> Kaleo, Saviq: can you help me? ;-)
[13:00] <Saviq> seb128, wassup?
[13:01] <seb128> Saviq, I'm trying to figure the recommended way to add some empty space between 2 specific elements of a column
[13:01] <seb128> Saviq, should I just dump a rectangle with empty background color or something (that feels hackish)
[13:01] <Saviq> seb128, adding an Item { } is the usual way
[13:01] <seb128> ah
[13:01] <seb128> Saviq, thanks ;-)
[13:02] <Saviq> seb128, as Column doesn't take margins into account, you either need to expand the items themselves
[13:02] <Saviq> seb128, or add a spacer Item { }
[13:03] <seb128> Saviq, spacer Item {} seems good, I was looking for a "real widget" and tried using rectangle, I didn't think about going back one step and simply use an Item {} ... thanks ;-)
[13:03] <Saviq> seb128, cheers
[13:03] <mhall119> popey: it's Ubuntu Touch Clinic time
[13:04] <popey> o/
[13:04] <t1mp> mhall119: is that here in this channel?
[13:05]  * popey tweets
[13:05] <popey> yeah, we encourage people to come here at this time, so they can get familiar with everyone, ask questions etc
[13:05] <mhall119> t1mp: yup
[13:05] <jcastro> ooh, count me in!
[13:06] <popey> this time was chosen as it's useful to have US people awake ☻
[13:07] <popey> I managed to get my nexus 4 to spontaneously reboot today, can't reproduce it now
[13:07] <popey> is there some likelyhood it's logged somewhere?
[13:08] <cdesai> popey: could check /proc/last_kmsg
[13:08] <ogra_> popey, well, have a look at the logfiles ... *especially* on their size
[13:08] <penk> hello guys, what's the best way to turn off auto dim of screen on device? :D
[13:08] <ogra_> popey, i only fixed it in the flipped images yet, but syslog and powerd.log got filled within 2h to 2GB here
[13:09] <jcastro> I was going to flash today but I saw ogra saying that saucy is coming so I held off
[13:09] <ogra_> (/var/log/upstart/powerd.log that is)
[13:09]  * popey looks
[13:10] <seb128> Saviq, ok, since I'm in ping mood and you have been nice to me, one last question for today ... is there an easy way to get the value of the space between the red lines on http://ubuntuone.com/1ALvTtqkzOOrP4uwJ3GJDq ?
[13:10] <ogra_> the upstart job needs serious reworking ... (and to drop the G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all)
[13:11] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5758154/ is my /proc/last_kmsg, no giant log files in /var/log
[13:11] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch running on Fairphone - are there agreements? | http://askubuntu.com/q/307294
[13:11] <seb128> Saviq, that's "(height of ListItem.Standard - height of Label in it)/2" ... not sure how to express that, I can add an id to a listitem to have its height, is that the right way to go? (and I'm not sure how to get the embedded text height then)
[13:12] <ogra_> popey, well, the watchdog kicked off the reboot ... no idea why though
[13:12] <popey> i was rotating the phone and unlocking at the same time
[13:12] <Saviq> seb128, what's the use case?
[13:13] <Saviq> seb128, do you want a separator of that height or something?
[13:13] <ogra_> popey, ah, k, thats indeed out special reboot command setup ... like the three finger salute :P
[13:13] <seb128> Saviq, the usecase is for the UI in that screenshot
[13:13] <seb128> Saviq, mpt wrote "<mpt> seb128, hm, neither of those seem good ways of defining spacing ... It should be exactly as much as between the top of "Legal:" and the line above it, for example. It's part of the overall "Software:" group."
[13:13] <popey> hah
[13:13] <ogra_> (not ... )
[13:13] <seb128> Saviq, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AboutThisDevice?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-about.png
[13:14] <cdesai> popey: btw, anyone with whom I could talk about the emulator?
[13:14] <seb128> Saviq, there is some spacing between the "check for updates" button and "Legal:" since those are separate sections
[13:14] <mhall119> penk_: I think there's a dbus call you can make
[13:14] <Saviq> seb128, what you need is a Header item, really, right?
[13:14] <popey> cdesai: I'd recommend asking whatever specific questions you have here and we can poke the right people
[13:14] <Saviq> seb128, that both Software: and Legal: would be
[13:15] <cdesai> for a start, I would like to get my patches in / some repositories forked
[13:15] <mhall119> ogra_: do you know if apps can programatically call the screen brightness setting?
[13:15] <popey> sergiusens: have you seen cdesai's patches on the ubuntu-phone list?
[13:15] <ogra_> mhall119, i dont ... but you can indeed just talk  to sysfs driectly (which would likely be an api viiolation but work)
[13:16] <sergiusens> popey: going to today or tomorrow
[13:16] <sergiusens> popey: once freed from saucy
[13:16] <popey> thanks
[13:16] <cdesai> thanks
[13:16] <sergiusens> popey: but I did look at them
[13:16] <Saviq> seb128, there's a "grouped list" usecase in the SDK lists already
[13:17] <ogra_> will be curious to see if that emulator stuff  works at all with the flipped images
[13:17] <seb128> Saviq, hum, ListItem.Header has less spacing apparently and it's more aligned on the left ... that doesn't exactly match the design
[13:17] <seb128> Saviq, but I guess we could argue that the design should be updated to use standard widgets
[13:17] <Saviq> seb128, yes please
[13:17] <Saviq> seb128, and modify the standard widgets to match, if the decision is made so
[13:17] <cdesai> ogra_: it should if we modify the ramdisk, since all it does it load the images
[13:18] <Saviq> seb128, ubuntu-ui-toolkit-examples
[13:18] <seb128> Saviq, thanks, I will open a bug about that so we have a place to have discussion
[13:18] <netcurli> is there a way to start a qml app with translations in a specific language?
[13:18] <ogra_> cdesai, the flipped container images boot into a plain ubuntu and then start android in an lxc container later
[13:18] <Saviq> seb128, install that, run "Ubuntu UI Toolkit Gallery"
[13:18] <Saviq> seb128, there's a "List Items" item
[13:18] <sergiusens> ogra_: sorry to dissappoint http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-power/phablet/view/head:/src/ib-brightness-control.c <- mhall119
[13:18] <Saviq> seb128, and there's a "Grouped list" at the bottom
[13:19] <sergiusens> line 51
[13:19] <seb128> Saviq, yep, got that
[13:19] <cdesai> ogra_: not sure how well would that work in QEMU, but if that doesn't work, we could use virtualbox
[13:19] <mhall119> sergiusens: what am I looking at?
[13:19] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, i can still write a  C++ plugin that talks directly to sysfs if i want
[13:19] <popey> cdesai: there's benefits to the android emulator though..
[13:19] <ogra_> we dont do anything to prevent that
[13:19] <sergiusens> mhall119: brightness control from the indicator
[13:19] <popey> like sensors triggering/
[13:19] <popey> ?
[13:20] <cdesai> popey: I'm not 100% sure, but AFAIK the emulator doesn't emulate any sensors
[13:21] <seb128> Saviq, http://ubuntuone.com/5E43IdpvxlyxT16jdZLF4b is how it looks with Headers use
[13:21] <seb128> mpt, ^
[13:21] <mhall119> sergiusens: hmmm, so there won't be anything exposed to apps?
[13:21] <seb128> mpt, does that work for you (Software: and Legal are Header elements there)?
[13:21] <sergiusens> mhall119: that's a bzoltan question
[13:21] <Saviq> seb128, yup
[13:22] <seb128> mpt, Saviq: if that's not good I will open a bug on the toolkit that Header look need to be tweaked
[13:22] <bzoltan> I am here
[13:22] <sergiusens> mhall119: there should though
[13:22] <seb128> Saviq, thanks again ;-)
[13:22] <Saviq> seb128, cheers
[13:22] <Saviq> seb128, remember, that's the last one for today! ;)
[13:22] <bzoltan>  sergiusens: mhall119: what was the question?
[13:22] <seb128> Saviq, no worry, I will ping Kaleo for my next question :p
[13:22]  * seb128 hides
[13:22] <mhall119> bzoltan: will there be an API for apps to control screen brightness
[13:22] <sergiusens> bzoltan: do you know if anyone is working on exposing brightness and general sensor apis or the sdk?
[13:23] <bzoltan> sergiusens: not as I know
[13:23] <tvoss> bzoltan, why can't we use qtsensor with the platform api?
[13:23] <sergiusens> bzoltan: ok, I'll talk about it with my team
[13:23] <Saviq> seb128, don't worry, he's not up yet, probably, slacker!
[13:24] <seb128> ;-)
[13:24] <bzoltan> tvoss: I see no reason not to
[13:25] <mpt> seb128, yeah, I think the headers, non-headers, and buttons should all line up horizontally (i.e. their left edges should all be the same)
[13:25] <tvoss> bzoltan, cool then, I think jhodapp might be the right person to talk to
[13:25] <bzoltan> tvoss: yes, he made the orientation adaptation ... so he should know the details
[13:25] <tvoss> bzoltan, yup
[13:25] <FunkyPenguin> can someone advise on the enterprise connection plans for touch?
[13:26] <bzoltan> tvoss:  I ping him
[13:26] <jhodapp> bzoltan, need me?
[13:26] <mhall119> FunkyPenguin: anything specific you hve in mind?
[13:26] <bzoltan> jhodapp: yes :) desperately
[13:27] <FunkyPenguin> mhall119: the items that spring to mind are exchange connectivity, and 802.1x EAP wifi connectivity
[13:27] <jhodapp> bzoltan, what's up?
[13:27] <FunkyPenguin> both prevent me from using it with work
[13:28] <bzoltan>  jhodapp:  it is about wiring up the platform apis to the qtsensor
[13:28] <mhall119> FunkyPenguin: exchange connectivity is something we're discussing, specifically for email, but getting that working in non-MS software has been notoriously difficult
[13:28] <mhall119> wifi stuff I don't know about, do we not already support that on the desktop?
[13:29] <FunkyPenguin> mhall119: true, but if one takes evolution as an example, their implementation of exchange web services work very well
[13:29] <mhall119> do they now?  I haven't tried in a few years, and back then it was awful
[13:29] <jcastro> Q: What's the status on the GUI for data over 3g?
[13:30] <popey> what's wrong with nmcli! :D
[13:30]  * mhall119 kicks popey 
[13:30] <FunkyPenguin> yeah, unfortunately i cant use it on Ubuntu as 12.04 doesnt have ews, but it works fine in the other distros i use (primarily openSUSE)
[13:30] <pmcgowan> popey, was that bug the first time after you synced or just a random boot
[13:30] <mhall119> ews?
[13:31] <seb128> mpt, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1190234
[13:31] <popey> pmcgowan: my phone randomly rebooted, so that may be the first reboot since syncing
[13:31] <FunkyPenguin> popey: last time i checked your fingers weren't that dainty, how in sauron's name do you get by using the terminal for so much on the phone?!
[13:31] <bzoltan> tvoss: we got the bp for the alarm api -> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/sdk-system-alarm-api I guess/hope you have some thoughts about how the backend part is coming together. I have checked today the Meego's timed code and it look useful for as...and it comes with gpl
[13:31] <popey> FunkyPenguin: i have a script ☻
[13:31] <popey> drag up to see previous commands, press enter
[13:32] <popey> I have lady-like hands btw ㋛
[13:32] <mhall119> FunkyPenguin: have you tried the terminal on the phone? zdmitry has done an amazing job on it
[13:32] <FunkyPenguin> ah, i wondered how one got previous commands, thanks
[13:33] <popey> the terminal app is pretty awesome
[13:33] <tvoss> bzoltan, @backend: I proposed to push the functionality into the date/time indicator, which would have the benefit of being able to provide a UI to users
[13:33] <tvoss> bzoltan, the API would hide that of course
[13:34] <FunkyPenguin> yeah it is indeed pretty good, how does one add an app to favourites?
[13:35] <bzoltan> tvoss:  would that work as a queue  what any app and system service could use?
[13:35] <tvoss> bzoltan, queue as in?
[13:35] <mhall119> FunkyPenguin: that's not been implemented yet
[13:36] <FunkyPenguin> ah, ok thanks
[13:37] <bzoltan> tvoss: like a daemon
[13:37] <kramer654> I wonder about the same as jcastro does: how is the GUI for 3g data going?
[13:37] <mhall119> the Favorites on the Dash will probably be picked based on your usage history
[13:38] <mhall119> the Launcher you should be able to add and remove stuff manually though
[13:38] <tvoss> bzoltan, similar, yes. the indicator-service's lifetime is limited by the session lifetime, but it exceeds the lifetime of apps
[13:39] <mhall119> tvoss: Saviq: who's working on the network indicator?  I assume that's where we're going to put the 3g switching GUI
[13:40] <Saviq> mhall119, UI - us / dednick, backend - thostr's team, tedg?
[13:40] <FunkyPenguin> mhall119: how does one pin an app to the launcher then?
[13:41] <mhall119> jcastro and kramer654 would like to know what the status is on that, do we have mockups, working code, anything?
[13:41] <FunkyPenguin> or remove one even?
[13:41] <pmcgowan> Saviq, renato_ implemented something in the UI that did not land if its useful
[13:41] <mhall119> FunkyPenguin: also not implemented yet :)
[13:41] <FunkyPenguin> heh, ok
[13:41] <mhall119> FunkyPenguin: right now the list is hard-coded in a QML file
[13:41] <bzoltan> tvoss: that is a viable solution. Do you think a timed like service would be something to consider? http://gitorious.org/meego-middleware/timed
[13:41] <Saviq> pmcgowan, yeah, we have that in queue, apparently waiting for drivers to land
[13:41] <FunkyPenguin> mhall119: could that be edited, as a work around?
[13:42] <pmcgowan> ack
[13:42] <Saviq> pmcgowan, depends on https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/indicator-server/device-switch/+merge/166300
[13:42] <tvoss> bzoltan, for inspiration: definitely...I just want to keep the number of services as low as possible. And the alarm functionality is a good fit for the date-time-indicator
[13:43] <mhall119> FunkyPenguin: yes, you'll need to edit /usr/share/qml-phone-shell/Applications/applications.js and /usr/share/qml-phone-shell/Launcher/Launcher.qml
[13:43] <mhall119> IIRC
[13:44] <FunkyPenguin> mhall119: ok thanks
[13:44] <mhall119> applications.js is keeps a list of app launcher meta-data that Launcher.qml looks at, instead of looking for .desktop files, unless they've gotten that working since I last tried to modify the launcher
[13:45] <bzoltan> tvoss:  good point, taken
[13:45] <bobweaver> mhall119,  is there any plans on making it (launcher) to have items in based on mimeType or application id or something like that ?
[13:45] <tedg> tvoss, We should probably map those upstart events.  We have "desktop-start" and "desktop-end", and "indicator-start", etc.  Perhaps we should have an application region or something like that as well.
[13:45] <mhall119> bobweaver: I don't think so, as fas as I know it will behave just like the desktop Launcher
[13:46] <bobweaver> mhall119,  like unity-2d launcher
[13:46] <tedg> tvoss, Guarantee a specific setup/take down to make things simpler.
[13:46] <tedg> mhall119, Network indicator is mine...
[13:46] <mhall119> tedg: how far are we from a GUI for switching over to 3g?
[13:46] <tvoss> tedg, not entirely sure I'm following you :)
[13:46] <tedg> mhall119, Weeks at least.
[13:47] <tedg> tvoss, Just say "yes" then :-)
[13:47] <tvoss> tedg, nope :) default answer if I don't understand: nope :)
[13:47] <tedg> tvoss, I'm just saying that we have upstart events right now that basically associate to regions of login/shutdown.  But they're relatively ad hoc, we should be more explicit about them.
[13:47] <mhall119> bzoltan: can we get those alarm API work items set to a milestone, so we know when to expect them?
[13:48] <tvoss> tedg, that sounds sane to me, basically "marking" important events in the system/session lifecycle (rephrasing to make sure I understand what you are saying)
[13:48] <tvoss> tedg, would help in testing, too
[13:49] <tedg> tvoss, Yup, I was more worried about session, but you can worry about system too :-)
[13:49] <bobweaver> Question I am making a app in c++/qml and can not figure out how to expose the c++ to the qml.  Here is a example of main.cpp  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5758277/      but when I call homePath in qml it shows (console.log) file://home/user/Videos what is up with that ?
[13:49] <tedg> tvoss, I don't think system needs as much work because we'll inherit the upstart setup there.
[13:49] <tvoss> tedg, yup, agreed
[13:49]  * tvoss thinks we should draw some fancy lifetime diagram
[13:50] <tedg> tvoss, initctl2dot
[13:50]  * tvoss also thinks that tedg will use inkscape for that ... again :)
[13:50] <tvoss> tedg, ;)
[13:50] <kramer654> Another question: whatsapp-support is one of my three must-haves. I know there has been some work on an open source client called Whosthere, but the activity seemed to have stopped (last activity 3 months ago) and on launchpad it says it is discontinued. Will there be any support from Canonical for (a fork of) this project or any other alternative whatsapp implementation?
[13:51] <bobweaver> NM I see the error
[13:51] <bobweaver> arg(moviesLocation.first());   should be arg(homesLocation.first());
[13:51] <bobweaver> I think ....
[13:52] <mhall119> kramer654: I spoke with the whosthere developer, and his main problem was WhatsApp changing their authentication system
[13:52] <mhall119> is sounds like he's been having to reverse-engineer something to work with their service, and it keeps changing
[13:58] <netcurli> how can I start a qml app with translations on the phone in a specific language? or is this not possible at the moment?
[13:59] <nik90> netcurli: it is possible
[13:59] <nik90> ensure that you have a language installed on your system
[13:59] <nik90> and then LC_ALL=ar_AE.UTF-8 qmlscene ./ubuntu-clock-app.qml
[14:00] <nik90> where you replace ar_AE with language of your choice
[14:01] <netcurli> thanks nik90, I will try that
[14:02] <kalikiana> arrr clearly stands for pirate language, used in barbados
[14:03] <kramer654> mhall119: Thanks for your answer. I do hope that Canonical somehow can put energy in Whatsapp since it is for many a definite must-have on a phone. Maybe lobbying with whatsapp themselves is an option. Anyhow; I love the work that's being done on UTouch and I regularly check for updates. Looking forward to be flashing my phone with it, or even better, throw my money at the first Ubuntu phone that arives in stores.. :)
[14:05] <popey> kramer654: we're certainly in touch with the devloper
[14:05] <ogra_> i thought he turned his stuff into a telepathy plugin
[14:05] <ogra_> or do i misremember
[14:06] <mhall119> ogra_: I think he did, but was still not able to get it working with their protocol changes
[14:06] <ogra_> ah
[14:06] <kramer654> popey: the developer of whosthere or the official developers of whatsapp?
[14:06] <popey> whosthere
[14:09] <kramer654> mhall119 mentioned that, but also that he isn't able to continue the app because of the chaning authentication system
[14:11] <bobweaver> Question: I want to set up a C++ thingy that works like this in qml. openMimeType(setmimetype , file )   how would one do this ?
[14:12] <mhall119> bobweaver: ricmm and loicm were discussing implementing that part of the Platform API
[14:12] <mhall119> which would make Qt.openUrlExternally() work
[14:13] <bobweaver> so I could say do something like   Qt.openurlextrenael(openMimeType(video, "http://www.myvideo.com"))   so this way a browser does not open that
[14:13] <bobweaver> yeah mhall119  the thing is is that alot I mean 3 tbs full of my movies and tv shows come from a server via xhttprequest
[14:14] <bobweaver> so when I go to open it with qt.openurlextrenal("http://fooo,com") It opens the browser and either starts to Download or opens yet anpother video player
[14:15] <mhall119> I think openUrlExternally() won't call the browser if it doesn't need to, but I could be wrong
[14:15] <bobweaver> So I think that I have to make a c++ plugin that I can set the mimrtyoe for xdg to read
[14:15] <bobweaver> mhall119,  you are wrong
[14:15] <mhall119> it happens every once in a while :)
[14:15] <bobweaver> it reads via xdg
[14:15] <bobweaver> once in a while ....I am wrong all the time lol
[14:16] <popey> anyone see this ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1190252
[14:18] <bobweaver> popey,  suggestions use qt.indow 5.0 and read the scrren size     if width > height foo else upways
[14:18] <bobweaver> so it flips it automaticly
[14:23] <kalikiana> bobweaver, sounds like the same issue on the desktop, for performance http:// isn't usually checked the same as local files
[14:23] <bobweaver> do you all think htat it would just be better to make a QProcess runner ?  that looks for default media player ?  just a bash script attached to qml
[14:24] <bobweaver> I hate giving users out side access though :(
[14:25] <bobweaver> kalikiana,  I dont follow what do you mean ?
[14:25] <bobweaver> Oh I see for xdg
[14:25] <bobweaver> yeah I tried adding file:// but no go
[14:25] <bobweaver> video://  also
[14:26] <bobweaver> Here I will show example
[14:26] <bobweaver> http://youtu.be/v1iAyUiaCEg?t=5m13s
[14:28] <kalikiana> bobweaver, assuming glib g_app_info_launch_default_for_uri doesn't work the same as g_app_info_get_default_for_type for remote locations
[14:28] <bobweaver> see how it launchs the browser first it is because I am using                                     Qt.openUrlExternally(DataBase.ipAddress()+":"+DataBase.port()+"/Content/GetVideo?Id="+id)
[14:28] <kalikiana> it can be arbitrarily slow to check if an http:///.... is a video or what else
[14:28] <kalikiana> you don't want to wait 5 minutes
[14:29] <kalikiana> bobweaver, so in glib you have a way to get an app for its type, not the url
[14:29] <kalikiana> and that's probably the direction you want to go
[14:30] <bobweaver> kalikiana,  so using GConf
[14:30] <kalikiana> bobweaver, no, just .desktop files these days
[14:30] <kalikiana> there is MimeTypes=
[14:30] <kalikiana> and for browser there is a pseudo mime type for http
[14:31] <kalikiana> which reinforces the point that http is a carte blanche regardless of file type
[14:43] <SirSkidmore> I think I'll flash my Galaxy Tab 2.0 tonight
[14:44] <SirSkidmore> any other users here?
[14:47] <Eetmor> anyone know if someone is working on a SGS3 d2att version?
[14:48] <Eetmor> looks like the person that was doing some work before jumped ship
[14:51] <davmor2> mhall119: do you ever see this http://ubuntuone.com/7FbNCd0qS80SwzKnksMoh1  forgive the video being on it's side but I haven't got time to look for a tool to change the orientation.
[14:54] <mhall119> davmor2: me too, all my phone videos are sideways
[14:54] <mhall119> downloading the video now
[14:55] <davmor2> mhall119: oh also forgive the shocking quality I was holding a phone while trying to capture the video not the best bet.
[14:55] <ogra_> why has nobody written a screen recorder for the phone yet ?
[14:55] <Saviq> yikes u1 is slow...
[14:56] <Saviq> ogra_, because you'd have to talk to sflinger
[14:56] <ogra_> pfft
[14:56] <Saviq> ogra_, everything will be possible when we switch to Mir :D
[14:56] <ogra_> haha, yeah, that time ...
[15:03] <mhall119> davmor2: what build number is that?  I thought we'd fixed that issue
[15:03] <mhall119> Saviq: I'm assuming apparmor will prevent screen recording/screen shots unless the user gives an app extra permissions
[15:03] <davmor2> mhall119: I did a phablet-flash -b today incase it was a home setting
[15:04] <Saviq> mhall119, ass-u-me?
[15:04] <davmor2> mhall119: I have a 160 in my download folder
[15:04] <Saviq> mhall119, but yeah, you'll need to talk to Mir to be able to screenshot / record, so we'll protect it in one way or another
[15:04] <mhall119> davmor2: we had that problem with the keyboard dropping events through to lower components early on, but it was fixed several weeks ago, so maybe this is a regression
[15:05] <davmor2> mhall119: I got it yesterday so thought a -b today might resolve it, no issues on my galaxy nexus though which is odd
[15:05] <mhall119> Saviq: s/assume/I put the requirement in the original appdevuploadspec/
[15:16] <pfcode> hey, i started clockworkmod recovery on my android tablet and want to test ubuntu via running it from adb shell. I've chrooted to SD, where i unpacked generic binary from armv7 and when i try to run 'unity8' or 'tst_shadervideonode' i get QXcbConnection: Could not connect to display \ Aborted .
[15:16] <pfcode> What should i do to run graphics on it. It has mali-400
[15:17] <pfcode> and cortex A9, 512mb ram
[15:17] <ogra_> you need the adjusted android image too
[15:17] <ogra_> just running a graphical app wont work
[15:18] <pfcode> does it use XServer or sth?
[15:18] <ogra_> no
[15:18] <ogra_> it uses libhybris to talk to the modified android which runs surfaceflinger
[15:18] <pfcode> hm..
[15:19] <ogra_> apps wont start if the connection to libhybris isnt up
[15:19] <pfcode> i can mount system mtdblock
[15:19] <pfcode> but what should i run first? :)
[15:19] <ogra_> you need a ported android image first
[15:19] <ogra_> see the porting wikipage (link is in the channel topic)
[15:19] <pfcode> okay
[16:08] <sergiusens> mhall119: popey what community core app would you choose as a candidate for a click package for integration in the image?
[16:08] <sergiusens> preferably one that isn't part of the image already :-)
[16:09] <mhall119> sergiusens: core apps or collection apps
[16:09] <mhall119> ?
[16:10] <sergiusens> mhall119: core apps for now... I'll take care of everything, just wanted you to pick the app
[16:10] <mhall119> sergiusens: do you want something very simple, or something to test the boundaries?
[16:12] <sergiusens> mhall119: good point, give me two, one to get the feel of it and also the complicated one
[16:14] <popey> calculator and file manager would test both ends imo, what do you think mhall119 ?
[16:19] <mhall119> yeah, calculator is simple, file manager (or terminal) need separate C++ plugins *and* extra system access
[16:21] <sergiusens> mhall119: popey great, so system access isn't in place yet, but it would be good to use as guinea pigs... those two are already in the image though
[16:21] <popey> oh, you want something not already in the image via debs?
[16:22] <pmcgowan> bfiller, when does friends-dispatcher run
[16:23] <bfiller> pmcgowan: not sure, friends-service starts on startup, kenvandine ^^^
[16:23] <pmcgowan> bfiller, kenvandine I ask because I found it was gobbling cpu during a call
[16:23] <popey> sergiusens: / mhall119 which case something like minesweeper-touch from the collection ppa for simple... not sure we have something more complex. perhaps remove calc and file manager from the image in order to test this?
[16:23] <popey> (and use those)
[16:23] <kenvandine> humm
[16:24] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, friends-service or friends-dispatcher was gobbling cpu?
[16:24] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, dispatcher
[16:24] <kenvandine> ok
[16:25] <pmcgowan> what causes that to run?
[16:25] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, can you turn on debugging , and file a bug with the logs next time it happens
[16:25] <sergiusens> popey: ack, I'll figure it out
[16:25] <kenvandine> well every 15 minutes it'll refresh the feeds
[16:25] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, and that should be the only time the process is even running
[16:25] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, where do I turn on debug
[16:26] <kenvandine> one sec
[16:26] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, it may be but I noticed the UI was slow looking at indicators, so I did a top
[16:26] <kenvandine> gsettings set com.canonical.friends debug true
[16:26] <pmcgowan> and it was around 405 cpu, seemed ot run for some timte
[16:26] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, i just had a thought... it could have been the avatar cache expiry
[16:26] <kenvandine> which we are in the process of removing :)
[16:27] <kenvandine> from time to time it'll cleanup all the avatars it has cached on disk
[16:27] <kenvandine> but we are dropping the cache completely
[16:27] <pmcgowan> ok, maybe I will try to reproduce on new images then
[16:27] <kenvandine> because it actually makes scrolling faster, to access the avatars remotely
[16:28] <kenvandine> it's slow to load the images from the disk because of the number of files in the directory
[16:28] <kenvandine> we'll let qml do the caching for us
[16:28] <kenvandine> makes scrolling much nicer... and doesn't chew up disk space
[16:28] <kenvandine> and we can drop a couple hundred lines of code :-D
[16:28] <mhall119> sergiusens: facebook app might be a good candidate, it has dependencies on Friends and Online Accounts
[16:29] <sergiusens> mhall119: sounds good, added to lis
[16:29] <sergiusens> t
[16:29] <sergiusens> thanks!
[16:39] <davmor2> popey: is dog fight more complex or drop letters maybe?
[16:43] <mhall119> they are both pure-QML
[16:44] <mhall119> they include sound and particles, but I don't think that will make much difference to Click packaging
[16:45] <davmor2> mhall119: almost certainly not I was just wondering if they may of been more complex than mind-sweeper
[16:46] <mhall119> davmor2: not as much as you would think by playing them
[16:48] <popey> davmor2: more complex in what regard?
 sergiusens: / mhall119 which case something like minesweeper-touch from the collection ppa for simple... not sure we have something more complex. perhaps remove calc and file manager from the image in order to test this?
[16:50] <popey> ah
[16:50] <davmor2> popey: I was wondering if the other two apps might of been more complex :)
[16:50] <popey> no, they're not really
[16:50] <popey> hmm, phone-app is eating my phone cpu
[16:51] <popey>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S  %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[16:51] <popey>  1777 phablet   20   0  314m 109m  39m R 100.3  5.9  22:48.97 phone-app
[17:11] <pfcode> soo, i have next little problem, i flashed my tablet with boot/system maguro images
[17:12] <pfcode> and if i try to run any adb command, like adb shell, it results with not fount /system/bin/sh
[17:12] <pfcode> *not found
[17:13] <ogra_> why did you do that ?
[17:13] <ogra_> the maguro image will only run on maguro devices (the galaxy nexus phone)
[17:14] <ogra_> you need an image that was created specifically for your tablet .... everything else will not work
[17:15] <salem_> awe, ping
[17:15] <tassadar_> how the hell did it even started the adb daemon with maguro images Oo
[17:16] <awe> salem, pong
[17:25] <pfcode> ogra_, that should run
[17:25] <pfcode> the same processor
[17:26] <pfcode> drivers shouldn't work
[17:26] <pfcode> but system should boot up
[17:26] <salem_> awe, hey, yesterday I managed to create an mms context on ofono and use mmsd. apparently no changes are necessary to ofono to support mms.
[17:26] <pfcode> and it boots, there's sshd runned
[17:26] <pfcode> but it disallows me to conenct
[17:27] <awe> salem_, wow...that's good news!
[17:28] <awe> would you mind writing up a short description of your testing and send it to the mailing list?  I know renato_ has been looking at mmsd recently, as we will require some upper layer changes.
[17:29] <awe> salem_, what phone did you use for your testing?
[17:29] <salem_> awe, sure, I will do some more tests today still. galaxy nexus
[17:30] <awe> salem_, there is code within ofono to do the actual interface configuration once the mms context is activated.  I just wasn't sure whether or not RILD would also try and configure it too, leading to a conflict
[17:30] <awe> thanks much!
[17:30] <salem_> awe, also, I am still unable to show the mms contents on the other phone, but I think this is not ofono related.
[17:31] <salem_> awe, probably the image format is incorrect or something.
[17:31] <awe> salem_, yea... could be
[17:31] <awe> salem_, also you mentioned that other day that you're always roaming.  Could you take a look at sergiusens's bug description and maybe give my debug package a try?
[17:31] <awe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1188404
[17:31] <salem_> awe, sure, let me try
[17:32] <awe> salem_, thanks!
[18:04] <salem_> awe, https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1188404/comments/5
[18:06] <awe> salem_, thanks
[18:07] <awe> salem_, did you see my comment about running with & without the "-d" switch?
[18:08] <awe> salem_, ah never mind
[18:08] <awe> I see you attached both
[18:08] <awe> one question... did you see any difference in CPU utilization with logging disabled?
[18:13] <salem_> awe, no, ofonod always consuming 10% and rild 15%, with or without -d.
[18:13] <pfcode> hm.. what should i do if i lost /proc/mtd content and want to recover old partitions? i have a backup from clockworkmod.
[18:14] <salem_> awe, but they are back to 0% once I set roaming enabled.
[18:17] <awe> salem_, OK, can you add that as a comment to the bug?  Not sure if sergiusens's numbers are the same ( his title makes it seem as if ofono is using 30-40% by itself )
[18:18] <awe> salem_, I suspect there might be something happening with regards to how we're handling netreg events, and that the code is generating extra REQUEST_DATA_REGISTRATION messages when roaming.
[18:19] <sergiusens> awe: well top says it's ofono... mine went up a bit higher but maybe because I was in a vehicle in movement for the larger numbers
[18:19] <awe> sergiusens, hmm... you don't mention anything about a vehicle in your description!
[18:20] <awe> salem_, did you use top as well for your measurements?
[18:20] <salem_> awe, yes, top -m 10 -d 1
[19:03] <PaoloRotolo> join #ubuntu-it-press
[19:03] <PaoloRotolo> ops
[19:12] <ogra_> awe, there is mail on the ML for you :)
[19:12] <awe> thanks ogra_
[19:15] <sergiusens> \o/ archive finally updated!
[19:16] <sergiusens> ogra_: just triggered the machinery
[19:16] <jaywink> ugh .... I feel really stupid now ... but for some reason I cannot seem to get passwordless public key login to my nexus that has ssh server running etc ... the normal stuff, done it gazillion of times for servers. any issues regarding this kind of thing, is it even possible? :)
[19:16] <ogra_> sergiusens, awesome
[19:17] <ogra_> so thats what, 90min ?
[19:17] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah :/
[19:17] <sergiusens> ogra_: I could actually make it faster by not doing a full android build, ... hmmm
[19:17] <ogra_> well, its is safer to do a full build i guess
[19:22] <sergiusens> going the safe route
[19:29] <Minste> are people lens disabled? I synced contacts from google, and they appears in my contacts, but not i people lens. have tried to search for them, but no results.
[19:54] <jaywink> Made a post-flash script for installing some stuff after a daily flash ... if anyone is interested :) Any similar scripts out there? https://github.com/jaywink/ubuntu-post-install/blob/master/ubuntu-touch-post-flash-script.sh
[21:19] <Minste> Oli: Can I use the same method to get 3g connection in the flipped saucy as I did in raring? Cause in saucy my connection wont show when I type "nmcli dev". I have both ID an uuid, but it seems like the connection to /ril_0 are missing?
[22:02] <rickspencer3> mhall119, you might be interested in this for your apps collection ppa:
[22:02] <rickspencer3> https://code.launchpad.net/~rick-rickspencer3/+junk/reddpics
[22:02] <rickspencer3> it's barebones, but a great time killer if you have data
[22:02] <jcastro> ooh, please be a picture viewer for reddit
[22:03] <mhall119> rickspencer3: simple, yes efficient
[22:04] <mhall119> jcastro: that's quite literally *all* it is
[22:04] <jcastro> that's really all I want
[22:04] <mhall119> you can spend hours just swiping sideways through reddit pictures
[22:04] <rickspencer3> well, realistically, it's for imgur
[22:04] <mhall119> only imgur links?
[22:04] <rickspencer3> yeah
[22:04] <rickspencer3> it uses the imgur api
[22:04] <mhall119> y u no quickmeme?
[22:04] <ChickenCutlass> everyone -- update your phablet-tools.  Saucy is published
[22:04] <rickspencer3> for each subreddit
[22:04] <jcastro> the covers most of them
[22:04] <jcastro> ChickenCutlass: updating as we speak!
[22:05] <mhall119> ChickenCutlass: does saucy work on nexus 7 (grouper) now?
[22:05] <ChickenCutlass> mhall119, not yet
[22:05] <ChickenCutlass> working on it
[22:05] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, will I get the new tools if I dist-upgrade?
[22:05]  * rickspencer3 assumes yes
[22:05] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, you should
[22:05] <rickspencer3> oh, I get it, not everyone is on saucy, so they don't upgrade daily
[22:05] <jcastro> I just got the update via saucy
[22:05] <mhall119> rickspencer3: you should make reddpics a launchpad project so I can submit the packaging files as an MP
[22:06] <rickspencer3> mhall119, ok, but I should probably rename it
[22:06] <jcastro> ChickenCutlass: flashing now! I am expecting glorious explosions
[22:06] <rickspencer3> I found out there is a web site called "reddpics"
[22:06] <ChickenCutlass> jcastro, hopefully it will be uneventful
[22:06] <jcastro> I trust you!
[22:07] <ChickenCutlass> jcastro, should be a good game tonight
[22:07] <jcastro> yeah
[22:07] <mhall119> rickspencer3: after you rename it, go to Build->Ubuntu Touch->Create Application package
[22:07] <jcastro> this upgrade will be as uneventul as our team's post seasons
[22:07] <mhall119> that will generate some pretty good packaging files to get you started
[22:07] <ChickenCutlass> tell me about it
[22:08] <rickspencer3> mhall119, what do you want me to do with it after I create the Application package?
[22:08] <rickspencer3> I already used Qt Creator to install it on my phone, fwiw
[22:09] <mhall119> rickspencer3: put it in a branch so I can build it locally and push to the PPA
[22:09] <rickspencer3> ok
[22:09] <rickspencer3> mhall119, probably tomorrow
[22:09] <mhall119> rickspencer3: ok
[22:10] <mhall119> rickspencer3: I was all set to do it for you, but if you're going to rename it there's not much point
[22:10] <rickspencer3> mhall119, here's the question ... what do I name it?
[22:11] <rickspencer3> reddgur?
[22:11] <mhall119> don't ask me, I stink at naming
[22:11] <jcastro> ChickenCutlass: nearly done, I'll have an answer for you wrt. upgrade in about 5 minutes on a Galaxy Nexus
[22:12]  * genii ponders reddsee
[22:12] <mhall119> rickspencer3: you should put all your various image browsing apps together and call it super-productivity-booster
[22:12] <jcastro> rickspencer3: touchr
[22:12] <mhall119> seenit?
[22:12] <rickspencer3> touchgur
[22:12] <rickspencer3> rudditgur
[22:13] <jcastro> this-is-not-a-mobile-pron-viewer
[22:13] <mhall119> lol
[22:14] <mhall119> this-is-what-reddit-is-for
[22:14] <mhall119> the-only-reason-you-use-reddit
[22:23] <rickspencer3> I just discovered that this app is *made* for /r/gigs
[22:23] <rickspencer3> r/gifs *
[22:24] <jcastro> ChickenCutlass: upgrade success!
[22:24] <ChickenCutlass> excellent
[22:24] <jcastro> looks like the circle widget thing on the home screen works
[22:25] <ChickenCutlass> jcastro, double tap on it
[22:25] <jcastro> I mean, it looks like a real thing now
[22:25] <jcastro> hah, hot
[22:25] <ChickenCutlass> jcastro, also notice the scrolling on the luancher
[22:26] <rickspencer3> nice!
[22:26] <jcastro> yeah
[22:26] <jcastro> the launcher comes out way smoother too
[22:28] <jcastro> gmail now goes to some html fallback mode instead of mobile browser
[22:29] <ChickenCutlass> jcastro, regression
[22:29] <jcastro> yeah so pretty uneventful
[22:29] <jcastro> nice job!
[22:30] <rickspencer3> jcastro, does it make and receive calls and sms ?
[22:30] <mhall119> jcastro: real data?
[22:30] <mhall119> that's awesome
[22:31] <jcastro> rickspencer3: I need to resync my contacts, in process now
[22:31] <mhall119> ChickenCutlass: please get grouper working so I don't have to listen to jcastro tell me how awesome the new stuff is :(
[22:31] <Minste> Anyone know how to change input language? I have found the file no.xml in /usr/share/maliit/plugins/languages. but how can i get norwegian keyboard?
[22:32] <popey> anyone else seen this.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1190388
[22:33] <popey> (see screenshot)
[22:33] <popey> not sure if there's any logs I can get from the device right now, I can adb shell into it, so can grab log files
[22:34] <popey> oooh!
[22:34] <popey> oom!
[22:34] <popey> /usr/bin/ubuntu-session: 53: /usr/bin/ubuntu-session: cannot create /proc/1910/oom_adj: Directory nonexistent
[22:34] <popey> that looks like oom killer?
[22:34] <jcastro> voice works
[22:34] <jcastro> sending SMS works
[22:34] <jcastro> testing receiving SMS next.
[22:34] <jcastro> also, my contacts are in the dialer already, so I didn't have to redo those.
[22:35] <jcastro> ... and receiving texts works
[22:37] <jcastro> ChickenCutlass: should I file bugs or give you guys a few days to shake it out?
[22:38] <mhall119> ChickenCutlass: do we have an announcement about the switch to Saucy I can post to G+?
[22:41] <popey> ooh, phablet-flash now brings in saucy
[22:41] <popey> excellent
[22:41]  * popey flashes with extreme prejudice!
[22:41]  * mhall119 grumpily downloads the last of the raring images
[22:42] <jcastro> Let me video it for you
[22:43] <mhall119> wait,if infographics work on your phone.....that means they should work building unity 8 from source!
[22:43] <tchebb> Are there any prebuilt images available for download that can be run in a VM or Android emulator?
[22:43] <mhall119> if anybody needs me, I'll be eating enchiladas and compiling
[22:43] <mhall119> tchebb: no, only device images
[22:44] <rickspencer3> mhall119, I shudder to think what "compiling" is a euphemism for
[22:44] <rickspencer3> later
[22:47] <popey> OMG OMG OMG!
[22:47] <popey> this is lovelyt
[22:47] <popey> -t
[22:48] <mhall119> no spoilers
[22:48] <popey> I am _totally_ spoiling right now on G+
[22:48] <jcastro> I made you a video mhall119
[22:48] <mhall119> jcastro: I'm about to watch it
[22:48] <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8kmIiG8R-k&feature=youtu.be
[22:50] <mhall119> jcastro: does your message indicator actually flash, or is it just the video quality?
[22:50] <mhall119> oh, nvm, you just said it was a bug
[22:51] <jcastro> yeah it goes nuts
[22:52] <mhall119> man those infographics look slick
[22:53] <popey> user agent of Mozilla/5.0 is probably why we're not getting mobile versions of sites anymore
[22:53] <popey> (i.e. we're no longer pretending to be an iphone