[06:12] mornin [06:41] meh [06:46] morning everyone, [06:49] hey brobostigon [06:49] good morning dude ! [06:49] morning knightwise [06:50] how are you dude [06:51] Morning all - anyone else use Hotot and find it not working this morning? [06:51] knightwise: crap, being dumped by sms, is ineffectual unemotional and stringy. and you? [06:54] crud dude :( thats realy poor taste :( that sux :( [06:55] very sux, yes. crud? [06:56] "Crud" = Crap, (crud is a dark kind of grimy dirt) [06:56] her doing that, says two logical things to me, either and or, she was strigning me along and or for some time she felt nothing at all. [06:57] ah. i shall remeber that word. [06:57] anyone who breaks up with you in less then 124 characters is not worth spilling more then 124 tears over [06:58] agreed, hence me saying ineffectual and unemotional. [06:58] I was dumped via telephone once, that was almost as bad as via text message. [06:59] yes. [06:59] * knightwise got dumped over the phone once too. [06:59] we had only been together for three years ... [06:59] it is hurtful that someone cant even face talking directly to you, and has to be disconnected. [06:59] looking back, it was a lucky escape for me, but at the time it really hurt. [06:59] true [07:00] but in the end you are better of without those kind of people in your life [07:00] probably, yes. [07:01] after two years of not updating my blog, i did so last night. amazing isnt it. [07:01] yeah, although my most recent ex waited until I drove down to London from Edinburgh to split up with me face-to-face by handing me a letter, which was really surreal. [07:01] yeah, I realised I started losing myself in "being a couple", which is dangerous whatever happens. [07:01] fair point, [07:02] ironically, she now takes the train to come and see me, as we're still friends and she misses Edinburgh. [07:03] * dwatkins is reminded of the submission for "ironic" as one of the most misused words, having probably just misused it [07:04] and i have a good feeling, my aspergers was the issue, as i was talking to a good friend of mine yesterday afternoon and she said, it seemed sometimes as if it put alot of pressure on the relationship when none would be normally. [07:04] I got the "just pals" speech the other day from a rather nice doctor I've been spending time with, so yet again am moving on, reminding myself of ponds etc. [07:04] I'm probably on the aspergers spectrum, but have never been officially diagnosed. [07:05] Socially I sometimes find it very difficult to fit in, and sometimes I need to just lock myself away from the world. Perhaps that's just being an introvert, though. [07:05] a good example being, either of two possible things, either i am too distant or too close, no inbetween. [07:06] sounds familiar, I am often told I'm too open, wear my heart on my sleeve etc. but I also feel I sometimes just don't say anything and there's slightly uncomfortable slience. [07:06] Silence shouldn't be uncomfortable. [07:07] reminds me of shuttle journeys between tuvok and seven in St voyager. [07:07] * dwatkins apologises for waffling, but is probably still drunk having been to see Helen Arney last night doing her maths/science comedy gig "Voice of an angle" [07:07] [sic] [07:07] haha yeah [07:08] * dwatkins wonders if he's Tuvok or Seven... [07:08] it is a good analogy. [07:09] indeed, makes me think I should re-watch that series after I've finished rewatching Stargate [07:10] :) [07:12] * dwatkins has a sudden urge to try Crunchbang Linux [07:13] * brobostigon has a urge to aim his head at a wall, but is trying hard not too. [07:15] I find shouting at trains helps [07:16] morning [07:16] interesting idea, the closest i could do here, is standing on the railway bridge, but that might look abit strange. [07:16] morning MooDoo [07:20] Hi [07:21] I have installed unity-pidgin-lens [07:22] How do i search it in dash? [07:22] note to self: don't reboot servers with disk problems [07:22] * brobostigon is just updating his blog again, with something insightful. hopefully. [07:22] dwatkins: Hi [07:22] ello kaushal [07:26] I think I'll setup a raspberry Pi at home so I've got something to log in to and act as a proxy. No need to keep using the netbook now I have a NAS. [07:28] dwatkins: Any clue? [07:30] kaushal: no, I have no clue. [07:30] dwatkins: ok np [07:30] What does its documentation say? [07:34] why not just use the NAS [07:35] ali1234: I'm not sure I want to expose any ports of it to the internets [07:51] I'm rather looking forward to this game being released http://play0ad.com/ [08:25] is there a good cli for examining video files to inspect codecs etc? [08:25] more than "file blah.avi" [08:25] i get RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 640 x 360, 25.00 fps, video: XviD, audio: (stereo, 48000 Hz) [08:25] but vlc will not play it [08:26] bad audio [08:28] Good morning all, happy Day Against Child Labour and happy Loving Day! :-D [08:30] * AlanBell won't be telling the kids about that one [08:30] haha [08:31] Me neither. [08:31] * JamesTait cracks the whip [08:31] oooo, a whip [08:31] giggity [08:31] Not *that* whip, Gary, that's put away somewhere safe. [08:31] aww [08:32] How are you, young man? Haven't seen you for a while. [08:32] my child is pretty much firm on his stance about any form of labour anyway, he's normally found in bed [08:32] james, pretty good thank you [08:33] Good good. :) [08:38] mediainfo is the answer to my question [08:46] wonders in MartijnVdS is around [08:54] MartijnVdS: you around? ;) [08:55] i think i may have solved my problem [08:55] wanted a audio converter expert to tell me which audio format a divx player is likely to support [08:55] i am guessing at avconv using libmp3lame..will find out tonight [09:16] mungbean: be surprised if it didn't support mp3 === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === DanGreaves_ is now known as DanGreaves [09:28] ooh http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/06/exclusive-an-early-look-at-intels-own-phone-ui-obsidian/ [09:28] next year there's going to be so many phone choices [09:28] non ARM intel chips? [09:28] Oh man, I don't want choice! [09:29] * ^2fC *yawns* ... [09:29] <^2fC> Morn all. [09:31] the phone in that video looked like a samsung galaxy nexus to me, but I am no expert [09:32] thinking about it, though, Android still has so many stupid UI/UX bugs in it that I'd be skeptical of any new one that's less than a couple of 'proper' releases in [09:35] never really noticed issues with android [09:36] except that it was initially somewhat unintuitive when i first used it [09:36] Nah, they're not major, just little niggles that irk [09:36] like the back button being unpredictable [09:37] my back button has started to sometimes not work [09:37] i figure its the most used button on my phone [09:37] as a means of switchign windows [09:40] my ARM shares lost about 20% last week [09:40] BigRedS, silly child. whenever you complain about those types of bugs, the fix is "upgrade to android+1" [09:41] and if you do, and it still sucks, "your hardware sucks. add more cores" === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [10:03] Morning all [10:03] directhex: haha, yeah. Android has the _worst_ sort of "$thing is infallible" fanbois [10:04] but, also, I'm pretty bad at using comptuers. I generally get annoyed by whatever I'm using [10:04] i still like the WebOS UX best, but not its bugs [10:05] I miss my P900 but I'm sure it has problems that I've now forgotten [10:05] I do seem to be forever dealing with my desktop displaying cached content when I want new stuff and my phone dropping the cache as soon as it's written it and demanding it reload the page [10:08] Good morning peeps :) [10:09] mroning [10:10] mornzzzzz [10:10] oh why did I have a cup of coffee at 10pm last night!!! [10:16] ping popey [10:30] so: a shared hosting environment with ssh. I would like to know whether /tmp is a tmpfs or not. It is a chroot. I do not have the mount command, nor df; /proc is not mounted; there is no /etc/mtab. Can I work this out? [10:31] aquarius: it's definitely a linux? Do you have a /sys? [10:31] I do not [10:31] aquarius, yes. free -m, try to create that many megs in /tmp and see if it crashes :> [10:31] lulz [10:31] (I don't know if /sys is useful yet, but I'll have a look if it sounds it) [10:31] haha [10:31] aquarius: even if there's no mtab is there an fstab? I guess no... [10:31] also free doesn't work because free: error while loading shared libraries: libproc-3.2.7.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [10:31] there is no /etc/fstab [10:32] BigRedS, no /sys. I am 93% sure that it's a linux. Ways to confirm this are invited ;) [10:32] it may well be a rather old linux. [10:32] uname ? [10:32] uname showing anything? [10:32] uname not available in jail shell [10:32] I obviously tried that ;) [10:33] execute libc. [10:33] directhex, ? [10:33] directhex@barnabas:~$ /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.17.so | grep Compiled [10:33] Compiled by GNU CC version 4.7.3. [10:33] Compiled on a Linux 3.8.8 system on 2013-04-18. [10:34] aquarius: man cp - see what the version is at the bottom of the page === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [10:34] Compiled by GNU CC version 4.1.2 20071124 (Red Hat 4.1.2-42). [10:34] Compiled on a Linux 2.6.9 system on 2008-12-05. [10:34] \m/ [10:34] so it is Linux. [10:34] also: ancient, as suspected ;) [10:34] Dead Rat 4, nice [10:35] 2.6.9 is rhel4, iirc? [10:35] TheOpenSourcerer: pong [10:35] OK, so, instead of asking the tmpfs question, here is my *actual* question. [10:35] libc is not executable on this box. hmm. [10:35] I want to share data between PHP scripts. [10:35] Haha, I was wondering why you cared about tmpfs [10:35] popey got a minute? [10:35] ya [10:35] I cannot install any compiled thing. [10:36] PHP is not compiled with the shared memory extension, so shmop_* doesn't exist. [10:36] I do not want to write to the actual filesystem because it'd be rather slow. [10:36] aquarius: does it have APC? [10:36] APC is not installed. [10:36] (and it needs compiling, so I can't install it.) [10:37] My idea was: write to a tmpfs. I can't mount my own, but maybe I can use /tmp. [10:37] But I am open to other ideas on how to do what I want. [10:37] .win 2 [10:37] "get non-lame hosting" is prohibited as an idea. [10:37] that's probably the easiest way to do it [10:38] How quick does the script need to be for writing to a file system to be a bad idea? [10:38] on a shared host fs writes are going to be hilariously inconsistent, I'd have thought [10:38] bigcalm, well... it's not really about that sort of quickness, it's that I plan to use the filesystem as a semaphore, sortafing [10:38] several billion sites each probably writing sessions to disk [10:39] Ug [10:39] bigcalm, so I may do something egregiously horrid like hit the fs every second to see if there's a file there. [10:39] poor man's inotify ;) [10:39] Right [10:39] aquarius: lots of our customers do much worse than that [10:40] How about `watch ls`? ;) [10:40] watch -n 0.1 ls [10:40] chances of php being able to exec while there's no /proc =~ 0 [10:40] oooooooooooo I have watch. [10:40] (not that they're related) [10:40] aquarius: do you have the 'apache_setenv' function? http://uk1.php.net/manual/en/function.apache-setenv.php [10:40] can watch write to stdout? [10:41] I've only ever run it interactively, and it clears the screen etc === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [10:41] that is: can I run it and monitor it? [10:41] haha setenv. I haven't tried that! [10:41] how much space is there for envars? [10:42] pass. :-) [10:42] why not set a flag in a database? [10:42] popey, because polling mysql to see if anything's changed is slow :( [10:42] sqlite? [10:42] and it hammers the db something vicious. [10:42] Quick on reads [10:42] hahahahaha sqlite. No sqlite. [10:42] also, get non-lame hosting [10:42] ☻ [10:43] popey, I believe I was clear about that ;-) [10:43] still needed saying [10:43] I agree [10:43] but I can't face it. [10:43] hence trying to do what I can with what I have :) [10:43] aquarius: there's huge space for environment vars, QUERY_STRING, for example, is an environment var and 'limited' to about 10K [10:43] maybe just poll the DB every five seconds, I supopse. [10:44] BigRedS, that's space for one envar, indeed. The point of this is: if someone changes object 12345, I would like other people viewing object 12345 to be informed of the change. [10:44] BigRedS, to do that with envars, I'd need to add, say, envar OBJECT_12345= [10:44] one envar per object that's changed. [10:44] that's a *lot* of envar space ;) [10:44] liquid lunch i reckon. :) [10:45] yeah, I wasn't sure what you intended to do with them, but finally saw a question whose answer I sort-of knew :) [10:45] hence debating doing it with files... [10:45] maybe just hit the DB from a long-poll PHP script. [10:45] yeah, personally I'd do it with the fs. They do still sometimes surprise people by being fast [10:45] I'd use firebase and do it all client side if they weren't quite expensive ;( [10:45] aquarius: if you could cope with a resolution of 5 seconds, that would ease things somewhat [10:45] (also pusher, pulse, etc) [10:46] bigcalm, yeah -- if you and I are next to one another in the pub, and I change a thing, and you see the chage five seconds later, that'd be OK, I think [10:46] less would be nice, but not too much of a problem [10:46] How much is this to scale? [10:46] maybe even put an index on the last-updated-id column [10:46] bigcalm, well. Probably not very much [10:46] Is your user base in the thousands for instance? [10:47] bigcalm, but... maybe it'll take off. [10:47] if that happens, "get un-lame hosting" is more worth it ;) [10:47] If whatever this is takes off, move it to better hosting ;) [10:47] if( hosting_is_lame() ){ hack(); }else{ do_it_properly(); } [10:48] exactly. [10:48] while (budget) { ... } [10:48] more this: if (popular) { spend_money_on_good_hosting(); } else { dont_waste_money(); hack(); } :-) [10:49] poll the db, huh? [10:49] man, I hate polling. [10:49] but then PHP hates shared anything. :) [10:49] "install memcache", sig [10:49] sigh [10:50] so, we poll. For great justice. [10:50] aquarius: not sure if you're interested in favour-based hosting, but I can probably sort out something less-lame for free [10:50] special table just for this? who's feeling DBAish today? [10:50] BigRedS, the reason I'm using the super-lame-o hosting is that it's where kryogenix.org is :) [10:51] and I'm not moving that. I chose it for a reason :) [10:51] ahh yeah, I remember that :) [10:51] but the offer is appreciated! === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [10:55] Completely different question: given a package that I have installed, can I find out whether I got it from a PPA or from the Ubutnu archives? [10:55] aquarius: err... apt-cache policy? [10:55] wild guess [10:56] 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [10:56] does that mean "it was in the Ubutnu archives"? [10:57] yes, apt-cache policy says where you got it [10:57] if that is the only line then you installed it manually from a deb or you removed the ppa it came from [10:58] Ah! [10:58] or you upgraded from a release where the package exists [10:58] that is the bit of information I was missing :) [10:58] i.e. it means it doesn't know the source [10:58] sigh, so I have to install from the "unstable ppa". :( [10:58] what package? [10:58] polly [10:59] they dont have a stable ppa? [10:59] gotta love it when an app has an "unstable" ppa and a "daily" ppa an nothing else. [10:59] and all other twitter apps are horrid. :( [10:59] * aquarius is having a frustrating computer day, today. [10:59] * popey only uses tweetdeck these days [10:59] don't use any twitter "apps" other than on phones/tablets [11:00] tweetdeck on the web? [11:00] ya [11:00] does it do proper notifications? [11:00] https://web.tweetdeck.com/ [11:00] uhm [11:00] hotot #ftw [11:00] dunno [11:00] hotot can't even sign in, for me. [11:00] have filed a bug abotu it. [11:00] doesn't look like it [11:01] aquarius: Chage all the API version to 1.1 [11:01] but I have my desktop signed into twitter so i get those notifications anyway [11:01] (some time later ☹ ) [11:01] popey, ya, I do too (so I get them twice... and the friends ones are Quite A Lot Later) [11:01] I have hassled lord kenneth about the streaming api [11:01] Sign-in, main feed, posting and profiles work [11:01] oh, bitlbee broke for me today [11:01] 12:00:51 ERROR: popey@Twitter Error during home_timeline call: Aborted. [11:01] and I just get an aggrieved look. :) [11:02] some of the filtered streams do not. [11:02] aquarius, popey: you could turn it into a webapp you guys will know more about it than me but it looks a fairly straight forward .js file [11:02] i dont like webapps [11:02] "In order to use TweetDeck you must have a TweetDeck account" [11:02] grr. [11:02] Go to your happy place. [11:03] I probably could make it a webapp, indeed. [11:03] popey: but it would add the integration aquarius requires and I did say you could make not use it as a webapp :P [11:03] I think writing shim webapps is a wrong policy, though. I would *like* tweetdeck to support the unity api... [11:03] unity should just be a webapp, clearly [11:03] Hehe [11:04] ok, tweetdeck, that was pretty slick as a signup experience. [11:05] aquarius: have you hit nirvana yet? [11:05] no. [11:05] today is unnirvanaish [11:05] today is frustrating and annoying and makes me want to give up on computing. [11:05] aquarius: https://twitter.com/opensourcerer/status/344772438216826880/photo/1 [11:06] screwed by twitter apps, by the chrome team, by php, and by unity. :( [11:06] and by crap hosting. :P [11:06] TheOpenSourcerer, srsly, hotot won't even sign in :) [11:06] mgdm, well, that's the php bit ;) [11:06] IT WILL IF YOU CHANGE THE SETTINGS LIKE THE PICTURE [11:06] o.O [11:08] hotot from ppa works [11:08] so i'm back on twitter [11:08] aquarius: you must have some nirvana in your music collection slap that on it can at least sound like a nirvanaish day :D [11:09] was there some kind of twitter apocalypse? [11:09] Laney, twitter shut off the 1.0 api [11:09] API 1.0 became obsolote [11:09] s\obsolete [11:09] after a year of warning that they were going to do so [11:09] how unfortunate [11:09] TheOpenSourcerer, oh, right, I get it. :) [11:09] |o [11:10] TheOpenSourcerer, does hotot integrate with ubuntu these days? it never used to [11:10] sounds like hotot in saucy is good but nobody updated stable releases [11:10] I tried all the clients in the archive and they all suck :( [11:10] although I am in a mood with the universe today, which might have something to do with it [11:10] Hotot is the nicest I have come across in years. [11:11] hotot is *pretty*. It doesn't integrate with unity at all, though. [11:11] Is it wrong to be excited by pie? [11:11] or it didn't last time I tried it [11:11] * bigcalm counts down the hours to pie [11:11] What does "integrate with unity" mean aquarius? [11:11] and the qt version is madly broken [11:11] bigcalm: you need to join #pie hmmm pie [11:11] Hehe [11:11] davmor2: CAKE! [11:11] T-7ish hours [11:12] * TheOpenSourcerer thinks food... [11:12] TheOpenSourcerer, show proper notifications when something happens; place itself in the messaging menu for new messages; display a badge on its Launcher icon. [11:12] DJ Shadow is getting be through the day so far. Not sure what will pick up the afternoon though [11:12] *real* integration would also include "use my twitter account which I have already taught Ubuntu about". [11:12] MooDoo: only the pieious can appreciate pie, everyone enjoys cake ;) [11:12] I get notifications, have a "badge" on the launcher. [11:13] not in the messaging menu but I rarely use that anyway [11:13] cool [11:13] that's a start, then [11:13] * aquarius tries configuring hotot [11:13] * TheOpenSourcerer goes to lunch. Quickly. [11:13] davmor2: apple pie [11:14] MooDoo: Bramley apple pie :P [11:15] OK, same problem: hotot just goes to a blank grey screen when I click the big "sign in" arrow. [11:15] even after making those changes. [11:15] * davmor2 pictures aquarius sat in the dark going ommmmmmmm ommmmmmmmm [11:15] let me wipe the config and try again [11:16] has not helped [11:16] no terminal output [11:16] no idea how to enable any debug output, because --help is ignored. [11:16] I hate computers. :( [11:17] We all do [11:17] And yet we choose to base our work on them :) [11:17] Sadists, the lot of us [11:18] Or masochist, depending upon your point of view [11:18] * bigcalm whips some JavaScript into shape [11:19] aquarius, just install hotot from ppa [11:20] !!!!!! tweetdeck removes blocked users from your timeline! [11:20] aquarius: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [11:20] like things are supposed to! [11:20] hrm. [11:20] lubotu3, shut up. [11:20] directhex, yeah, yeah, ppa. I hate ppas :( [11:20] aquarius: just use the twitter webapp :D me ducks for the shelter [11:20] on the other hand I am now installing newer polly [11:20] since it turns out that there's only *ever* been the unstable and daily ppas [11:21] so I must have had it installed from the unstable ppa, which was then disabled on upgrade to raring and I never re-enabled it. [11:21] They don't believe in stability [11:21] aquarius: join us at the Pie Factory tonight. Relax with pie [11:22] And ale, don't forget the ale [11:22] * mgdm is now remembering Weebl and Bob [11:23] * davmor2 waits for the sound of the explosion that is aquarius head when he finds out that polly is using api1.0 [11:23] davmor2, no, the newer version isn't; that's why I'm upgrading it [11:24] aquarius: they only say that to make you upgrade ;) [11:24] ok, polly works. [11:24] I like tweetdeck, though, popey. [11:25] I think I might do the chrome-install-as-app thing, though [11:26] davmor2: Hayley won't be joining us tonight. She's gone to see a school friend for a couple of days [11:27] installed as app. [11:27] goodbye, polly [11:28] Wish CSS, can one have "text-decoration: line-through" be a different colour from the text? [11:28] tweetdeck removing blocked users from my timeline is a winning feature *all by itself*. [11:28] aquarius: I've been using polly for ages now, that seems to work without any issues [11:28] aquarius: Nirvana reached [11:28] bigcalm, no. However, you can do it with a nested element. [11:29] aquarius: sucky but doable. Cheers [11:29] bigcalm, or with generated content if your lined-through element is block. [11:29] \o/ [11:29] aquarius: td [11:29] aquarius: I thought that was the entire point of blocked users [11:30] If tr is the outer, td can be the inner, I hope [11:30] mgdm, indeed it is. But every twitter client in the universe doesn't remove tweets you've already received from the blocked user. You have to "clear the cache" and then refetch [11:30] Ahhh [11:30] I've wondered about that recently, having gone on a big unfollowing purge [11:30] which screws you completely if you've blocked a lot of recent users, because when you clear the cache and refetch, you don't get any tweets back. [11:31] bigcalm, erm...only if you've only got one td inside th tr, right>? [11:31] heh [11:31] I tend not to block users [11:31] aquarius: about to find out :) [11:31] though if I could block all of those *_borat accounts in one shot, I would [11:31] Aww [11:32] mgdm: that's easy, you see the button that says logout ;) [11:32] bigcalm, my point is: you do text here and span { color: black; } span span { color: red; text-decoration: line-through } [11:32] if you use the tr as your top element, then you'll have to set the base text colour for everything in the tr [11:33] actually, no, ignore me, that's stupid, that won't work [11:33] other way around [11:33] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4364263/css-line-through-with-a-color-different-from-the-text-color [11:33] span { color: red; text-decoration: line-through; } span span { color: black; } [11:34] so... you can do it with tr and td, but you'll have to set empty text decoration on all tds other than the one you care about. [11:34] I'm hoping to just use the tr and td elements that are going to be there anyway [11:34] Indeed [11:34] Which is what I'm doing anyway [11:34] It's a bit of fun this css lark === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:45] you have a peculiar idea of 'fun' [11:45] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5757955/ - I'm sure it could be optimised, but it works. Just by setting .active or .acknowledged on the tr [11:47] It's actually quite readable and yet struck through [11:47] I'm happy :) [11:48] * BigRedS shakes his head at '!important' [11:48] :D [11:49] I didn't want to [11:49] I guess I could just remove the stripped class from the table as it won't be visible anyway [11:49] Haha, it's less its presence in your code that irks me, and more it being in the CSS spec [11:50]