[03:17] http://www.faterpg.com/licensing/ [12:01] morning [12:01] * rick_h__ needs more sleep [13:10] whoa trevlar, having some issues? === widox_ is now known as widox [13:12] do I keep disconnecting? [13:12] hmm yeah didn't notice [13:22] not sure if it was comcast or what. sorry for the flood :/ [13:41] Good mornign [13:41] https://bmark.us/craig/recent/deal?count=50&page=0# [13:42] * snap-l is finding a use for Bookie as a URL shortener. ;) [14:21] how can I make python be like perl -p ? [14:21] python -c 'import sys;for line in sys.stdin.readlines(): print line' says error [14:31] jrwren_: I'm sure there's a way, but I've never explored it [14:31] seems like one of those "you're doing it wrong" things. [14:32] even though it's likely supported [14:32] "This is a big change, consumers don't always love change, and there's a lot of education we have to provide to make sure that people understand." [14:32] i gave up. [14:32] then i ran into other pythonisms. [14:32] python is a nice language. [14:33] This statement is going into every business management book as how not to do PR with your customers [14:33] jrwren_: It's no perl / awk drop-in. ;) [14:33] yup [17:14] How's the afternon treating everyone? [17:14] not there yet [17:14] Well hurry up, dammit [17:15] Pretty soon it'll be evening and you'll just be starting the afternoon [17:15] amateurs [17:16] lazy coast === rick_h__ is now known as rick_h [19:43] rick_h: help me with my python, you are my only hope. [19:43] i've go a module level function which then imports another module which I need to patch. is there any hope for me? [19:43] I htink I should just move the import statement to the top of file. who knows, maybe I'll get better perf by only importing once? [19:45] yes, that is what I shall do. [19:45] thank you rubberduck rick_h [19:52] rubber ducky you're the one, you make bathtime lots of fun [19:55] We've secretly replaced rick_h with a rubber ducky. Let's see if anyone notices. [20:22] hah, no one will notice [20:22] jrwren_: yes, conditional imports like that tend to be more pita than they're worth for most modules [20:22] jrwren_: and make for non-obvious bugs when you don't see the import [20:23] though sometimes circular imports drive you batty and end up forcing it :( [20:24] plus... why not import a module which imports lots of other modules every time a function is called :) [20:29] well, python will only import once [20:29] it's a manual step to re-import something [20:29] i thought it reruns the module commands? [20:29] * jrwren_ tests [20:30] jrwren_: no, only does on the first time, then it's in the sys.modules or some magic place and doesn't re-import [20:30] it's why using things like ipython/etc are a pita sometimes when you're changing the module you're tinkering with [20:30] some provide a shortcut to force a re-import [20:30] indeed. [20:31] i knew reimport was differnt [20:31] but I really thought it ran the module statements again. shows wtf I knew. [20:32] yes, it's a bit more performant than that. Why it's not much better than just importing it on startup at the top of the file [20:33] only big things that you might not need (numpy or such?) might be worth cheating and importing at use time [20:33] cherrypy [20:33] *sigh* [20:35] anyone know offhand how cherrypy 2.2.1's dispatcher works? :) [20:36] magic :) [20:36] I looked at it long ago :/ [20:36] ugh [20:56] I'm not a fan of magic in my code [20:56] all you judgemental scientists, could use a bit more magic in your lives [20:57] [21:01] its not really magic. [22:47] heads up, we don't have the room at CHC tonight. Last time this year it looks like [22:54] Ah, so we're amongst the commoners then? [22:55] yep [22:55] kind of empty tonight so hopefully stays that way [23:09] you people and your coding [23:09] :-p [23:09] I don't know if I can even remember how to write a Perl script anymore [23:10] #!/usr/bin/perl [23:10] print "Aw, fuck it"; [23:10] There you go [23:15] n [23:15] m"m [23:15] and if that doesn't look right, you need a monospace font :-p [23:16] middle finger? [23:16] +1 [23:17] I may not code anymore, but I'll still tell the Perl-haters to suck it [23:18] wtf, did they make wolfger a manager or something? why for no coding? [23:18] I do believe they are trying to turn me into a manager [23:18] and in my spare time I've been... distracted? lazy? something else? all of the above? [23:19] I had to actually think about PLC coding today for the first time in I don't know how long, and the rust really showed. [23:20] and that's what I used to do for a living. That was what I was a star at. [23:21] I'm working on starting up a microbrewery. To hell with the tech industry. :-) [23:21] really? [23:21] fo' realz [23:22] putting together a business plan, trying to figure out exactly how much cash I need to make a viable go of it [23:22] nice [23:22] where abouts? [23:22] how much beer I need to sell to at least stay afloat [23:22] all I saw was "beer ... float" [23:23] I'm looking for near home. There's a dearth of microbreweries in NE Macom and St. Clair counties [23:23] lol [23:23] s/Macom/Macomb/ [23:23] at least I still remember simple regex.... [23:24] Once I have a plan and some cash I'll start hunting for a lease place within bicycle distance. [23:24] good plan [23:25] It won't be close to my partner's house, but he wants to move anyway :-p [23:25] sounds like your going to force the issue ;) [23:26] the tough part will be getting it up and running while keeping the day job, but if I keep my current position I'm pretty solid on 40 hours no weekends, so... I'll just have no life [23:26] or sleep [23:26] s/or/and/ [23:26] alright, speaking of, time to head home [23:26] later [23:26] good luck wolfger, keep your old pals informed! [23:26] DragonMead had wonky hours when they started out, and they became very successful, so I know it's *possible* [23:27] o/ greg-g [23:28] but yeah, I seem to be on my last project as a guy who actually does stuff (very losely defined). My next project I will be babysitting other people who are (very loosely) doing stuff. It's like they're trying to force managerdom on me [23:55] wolfger: I believe they called it "Being the team lead" [23:55] Which was essentially being a project manager without the paygrade [23:59] bingo