[03:17] <snap-l> http://www.faterpg.com/licensing/
[12:01] <rick_h__> morning
[12:01]  * rick_h__ needs more sleep
[13:10] <widox_> whoa trevlar, having some issues?
[13:12] <trevlar> do I keep disconnecting?
[13:12] <trevlar> hmm yeah didn't notice
[13:22] <trevlar> not sure if it was comcast or what. sorry for the flood :/
[13:41] <snap-l> Good mornign
[13:41] <snap-l> https://bmark.us/craig/recent/deal?count=50&page=0#
[13:42]  * snap-l is finding a use for Bookie as a URL shortener. ;)
[14:21] <jrwren_> how can I make python be like perl -p ?
[14:21] <jrwren_> python -c 'import sys;for line in sys.stdin.readlines(): print line' says error
[14:31] <snap-l> jrwren_: I'm sure there's a way, but I've never explored it
[14:31] <snap-l> seems like one of those "you're doing it wrong" things.
[14:32] <snap-l> even though it's likely supported
[14:32] <snap-l> "This is a big change, consumers don't always love change, and there's a lot of education we have to provide to make sure that people understand."
[14:32] <jrwren_> i gave up.
[14:32] <jrwren_> then i ran into other pythonisms.
[14:32] <jrwren_> python is a nice language.
[14:33] <snap-l> This statement is going into every business management book as how not to do PR with your customers
[14:33] <snap-l> jrwren_: It's no perl / awk drop-in. ;)
[14:33] <jrwren_> yup
[17:14] <snap-l> How's the afternon treating everyone?
[17:14] <greg-g> not there yet
[17:14] <snap-l> Well hurry up, dammit
[17:15] <snap-l> Pretty soon it'll be evening and you'll just be starting the afternoon
[17:15] <snap-l> amateurs
[17:16] <greg-g> lazy coast
[19:43] <jrwren_> rick_h: help me with my python, you are my only hope.
[19:43] <jrwren_> i've go a module level function which then imports another module which I need to patch. is there any hope for me?
[19:43] <jrwren_> I htink I should just move the import statement to the top of file. who knows, maybe I'll get better perf by only importing once?
[19:45] <jrwren_> yes, that is what I shall do.
[19:45] <jrwren_> thank you rubberduck rick_h
[19:52] <greg-g> rubber ducky you're the one, you make bathtime lots of fun
[19:55] <snap-l> We've secretly replaced rick_h with a rubber ducky. Let's see if anyone notices.
[20:22] <rick_h> hah, no one will notice
[20:22] <rick_h> jrwren_: yes, conditional imports like that tend to be more pita than they're worth for most modules
[20:22] <rick_h> jrwren_: and make for non-obvious bugs when you don't see the import
[20:23] <rick_h> though sometimes circular imports drive you batty and end up forcing it :(
[20:24] <jrwren_> plus... why not import a module which imports lots of other modules every time a function is called :)
[20:29] <rick_h> well, python will only import once
[20:29] <rick_h> it's a manual step to re-import something
[20:29] <jrwren_> i thought it reruns the module commands?
[20:29]  * jrwren_ tests
[20:30] <rick_h> jrwren_: no, only does on the first time, then it's in the sys.modules or some magic place and doesn't re-import
[20:30] <rick_h> it's why using things like ipython/etc are a pita sometimes when you're changing the module you're tinkering with
[20:30] <rick_h> some provide a shortcut to force a re-import
[20:30] <jrwren_> indeed.
[20:31] <jrwren_> i knew reimport was differnt
[20:31] <jrwren_> but I really thought it ran the module statements again. shows wtf I knew.
[20:32] <rick_h> yes, it's a bit more performant than that. Why it's not much better than just importing it on startup at the top of the file
[20:33] <rick_h> only big things that you might not need (numpy or such?) might be worth cheating and importing at use time
[20:33] <jrwren_> cherrypy
[20:33] <jrwren_> *sigh*
[20:35] <jrwren_> anyone know offhand how cherrypy 2.2.1's dispatcher works? :)
[20:36] <rick_h> magic :)
[20:36] <rick_h> I looked at it long ago :/
[20:36] <jrwren_> ugh
[20:56] <snap-l> I'm not a fan of magic in my code
[20:56] <greg-g> all you judgemental scientists, could use a bit more magic in your lives
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[21:01] <jrwren_> its not really magic.
[22:47] <rick_h> heads up, we don't have the room at CHC tonight. Last time this year it looks like
[22:54] <snap-l>  Ah, so we're amongst the commoners then?
[22:55] <rick_h> yep
[22:55] <rick_h> kind of empty tonight so hopefully stays that way
[23:09] <wolfger> you people and your coding
[23:09] <wolfger> :-p
[23:09] <wolfger> I don't know if I can even remember how to write a Perl script anymore
[23:10] <snap-l> #!/usr/bin/perl
[23:10] <snap-l> print "Aw, fuck it";
[23:10] <snap-l> There you go
[23:15] <wolfger>  n
[23:15] <wolfger> m"m
[23:15] <wolfger> and if that doesn't look right, you need a monospace font :-p
[23:16] <greg-g> middle finger?
[23:16] <wolfger> +1
[23:17] <wolfger> I may not code anymore, but I'll still tell the Perl-haters to suck it
[23:18] <rick_h> wtf, did they make wolfger a manager or something? why for no coding?
[23:18] <wolfger> I do believe they are trying to turn me into a manager
[23:18] <wolfger> and in my spare time I've been... distracted? lazy? something else? all of the above?
[23:19] <wolfger> I had to actually think about PLC coding today for the first time in I don't know how long, and the rust really showed.
[23:20] <wolfger> and that's what I used to do for a living. That was what I was a star at.
 I'm working on starting up a microbrewery. To hell with the tech industry. :-)
[23:21] <greg-g> really?
[23:21] <wolfger> fo' realz
[23:22] <wolfger> putting together a business plan, trying to figure out exactly how much cash I need to make a viable go of it
[23:22] <greg-g> nice
[23:22] <greg-g> where abouts?
[23:22] <wolfger> how much beer I need to sell to at least stay afloat
[23:22] <greg-g> all I saw was "beer ... float"
[23:23] <wolfger> I'm looking for near home. There's a dearth of microbreweries in NE Macom and St. Clair counties
[23:23] <wolfger> lol
[23:23] <wolfger> s/Macom/Macomb/
[23:23] <wolfger> at least I still remember simple regex....
[23:24] <wolfger> Once I have a plan and some cash I'll start hunting for a lease place within bicycle distance.
[23:24] <greg-g> good plan
[23:25] <wolfger> It won't be close to my partner's house, but he wants to move anyway :-p
[23:25] <greg-g> sounds like your going to force the issue ;)
[23:26] <wolfger> the tough part will be getting it up and running while keeping the day job, but if I keep my current position I'm pretty solid on 40 hours no weekends, so... I'll just have no life
[23:26] <greg-g> or sleep
[23:26] <greg-g> s/or/and/
[23:26] <greg-g> alright, speaking of, time to head home
[23:26] <greg-g> later
[23:26] <greg-g> good luck wolfger, keep your old pals informed!
[23:26] <wolfger> DragonMead had wonky hours when they started out, and they became very successful, so I know it's *possible*
[23:27] <wolfger> o/ greg-g
[23:28] <wolfger> but yeah, I seem to be on my last project as a guy who actually does stuff (very losely defined). My next project I will be babysitting other people who are (very loosely) doing stuff. It's like they're trying to force managerdom on me
[23:55] <snap-l> wolfger: I believe they called it "Being the team lead"
[23:55] <snap-l> Which was essentially being a project manager without the paygrade
[23:59] <wolfger> bingo