| ahoneybun | hey all | 02:39 |
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| ahoneybun | Darkwing: hello | 03:28 |
| ScottK | !ninjas | 4.11 Beta 1 tarballs available for packaging. | 04:19 |
| ubottu | 4.11 Beta 1 tarballs available for packaging.: Ninja Time! apachelogger, debfx, JontheEchidna, Quintasan, Riddell, ScottK, yofel, smartboyhw, murthy | 04:19 |
| valorie | ahoneybun: I think I over-reacted earlier about the managing repositories page | 05:19 |
| valorie | otoh, I really think that using the cli commands is a lot better and easier than editing the sources list as sudo | 05:20 |
| valorie | I'm not going to rewrite a section I already wrote, however | 05:21 |
| valorie | I like the page as it is, except for that | 05:23 |
| ScottK | valorie: You aren't recommending running a KDE editor using sudo are you? | 05:36 |
| valorie | I'm not, but that page does | 05:37 |
| valorie | not kdesudo even | 05:37 |
| valorie | :( | 05:38 |
| valorie | I think using apt-add-repository is the best cli method | 05:38 |
| Tm_T | valorie: yes | 05:41 |
| valorie | there is nothing wrong with linking to an official ubuntu page about the old way to manage repositories by editing the source list, but I don't like the idea of us advocating it | 05:43 |
| Tm_T | valorie: I agree | 05:43 |
| ScottK | valorie: It shouldn't recommend using things like kate for editing as sudo. They aren't really designed for it. | 05:47 |
| ScottK | AFAIK, Krusader is the only KDE app that is. | 05:47 |
| Tm_T | no gui app should be run with sudo | 05:48 |
| Tm_T | simple rule that keeps you safe | 05:48 |
| ScottK | True. | 05:48 |
| ScottK | Acutall software-properties-kde is fine too. | 05:49 |
| ScottK | Actually | 05:49 |
| ScottK | Which, when activated though Muon is a nice way to do. | 05:49 |
| ScottK | do/go | 05:49 |
| valorie | naturally | 05:49 |
| valorie | but one generally doesn't invoke that with sudo | 05:50 |
| valorie | rather it asks for passw at the proper time | 05:50 |
| ScottK | right. | 05:51 |
| ScottK | That's what the basic documentation ought to cover since it's the KDE/gui way to do it right. | 05:52 |
| valorie | yup | 05:52 |
| valorie | ok, fixing | 05:54 |
| valorie | ok, looks like ahoneybun had already removed that stuff | 05:56 |
| valorie | :-) | 05:56 |
| valorie | thanks, ahoneybun | 05:56 |
| valorie | done | 06:14 |
| soee | good morning | 06:17 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: did you upload 4.10.80? | 06:57 |
| shadeslayer | doesn't look like it | 07:00 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: Riddell 4.10.80 script running for saucy on server | 07:11 |
| shadeslayer | the power went out, so I'll have to shut down my PC, but hopefully the script will be done till the power comes back | 07:11 |
| shadeslayer | http://paste.kde.org/772112 what I used for the package list | 07:12 |
| shadeslayer | ( has the split modules ) | 07:12 |
| shadeslayer | cya | 07:14 |
| shadeslayer | #MISSING: 0.4.2# (optional=gccinternal)_ZN6Attica19DownloadDescription7PrivateD1Ev@Base 0.4.0 | 08:24 |
| shadeslayer | #MISSING: 0.4.2# (optional=gccinternal)_ZN6Attica19DownloadDescription7PrivateD2Ev@Base 0.4.0 | 08:24 |
| shadeslayer | both of those are private symbols and can be dropped right ^^ | 08:24 |
| apachelogger | yofel, shadeslayer, Quintasan: so, what would you have me do? | 08:32 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: about the symbol... they can be dropped depending on who you ask | 08:32 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: https://trello.com/c/5Y2980oz | 08:35 |
| apachelogger | I am raesonable certain we had a patch in kate... | 08:35 |
| apachelogger | debian/patches/kubuntu_kate_initial_preference.patch | 08:37 |
| apachelogger | ah yeah | 08:38 |
| apachelogger | it's not applied | 08:38 |
| apachelogger | nice | 08:38 |
| apachelogger | hold on | 08:39 |
| apachelogger | what | 08:39 |
| apachelogger | that's broken in raring | 08:40 |
| apachelogger | it's broken in raring since dec 5 | 08:40 |
| apachelogger | WTF | 08:40 |
| apachelogger | and kate isn't even watched by kubuntu-bugs | 08:42 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: I've already told you, IMHO it doesn't make sense NOT to use LP for kf5 modules since they don't have submodule history | 09:11 |
| shadeslayer | fine for Qt5 | 09:11 |
| apachelogger | and how do you want the packaging for qt5? | 09:12 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: re i10n for kio mtp, can we SRU that? | 09:12 |
| apachelogger | all in one branch | 09:12 |
| apachelogger | all in different branches | 09:12 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: whatever suits you | 09:12 |
| apachelogger | in bzr? or in git? or in mercurial | 09:12 |
| shadeslayer | I have no personal preference regarding that | 09:12 |
| * apachelogger throws keyboard | 09:12 | |
| shadeslayer | again, no preference :P | 09:13 |
| apachelogger | I am not a neon developer, I am here to serve you for once | 09:13 |
| shadeslayer | whatever works for you | 09:13 |
| apachelogger | so tell me your fing opinion for the love of darth vader | 09:13 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 09:13 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: you'll be fetching Qt5 from git, so IMHO it makes sense to use git for everything Qt5 related | 09:13 |
| shadeslayer | and bzr for kf5 | 09:14 |
| apachelogger | right then, one git repo or one per package? or one branch per package in one repo (why that would be confusing...) | 09:15 |
| apachelogger | also where to put it? | 09:15 |
| shadeslayer | per branch would be confusing IMHO | 09:15 |
| shadeslayer | how many Qt5 modules are there? | 09:16 |
| shadeslayer | put it in gitorious? | 09:16 |
| apachelogger | some 10 modules I think | 09:16 |
| shadeslayer | okay, then 10 git repos ... shouldn't be too bad? | 09:17 |
| shadeslayer | I have to go out for a bit | 09:17 |
| apachelogger | yofel, Quintasan: are you ok with some 10 git repos containing the packaging or would you prefer something else? | 09:17 |
| === vHanda_ is now known as vHanda | ||
| === vinay is now known as Guest26917 | ||
| Quintasan | apachelogger: I have not problems with that | 11:14 |
| Quintasan | as in 10 git repos | 11:14 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: We are currently working like this with neon so +10 repos won't change much IMO | 11:14 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 11:25 |
| soee | shadeslayer, you guys already working on 4.11 beda ? | 11:31 |
| soee | *beta | 11:31 |
| shadeslayer | yus | 11:32 |
| shadeslayer | drat, I don't have my keys imported on this saucy install | 11:32 |
| soee | shadeslayer, for Saucy ? are you planning to backport it ? | 11:32 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 11:33 |
| shadeslayer | saucy comes first though | 11:33 |
| soee | shadeslayer, ok thank you | 11:33 |
| shadeslayer | np | 11:34 |
| shadeslayer | you can help too :) | 11:34 |
| shadeslayer | there are a bunch of splits, someone needs to package those | 11:34 |
| shadeslayer | is there any point in keeping kubuntu_oxygenify_knetattach_icon.diff | 11:42 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: why wouldn't you? | 11:46 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: what I mean is, is there a point in keeping this packaging ? why not forward upstream? | 11:46 |
| shadeslayer | I'm not even sure what knetattach does :S | 11:46 |
| shadeslayer | KDE Network wizard | 11:47 |
| shadeslayer | so many wizards on my PC | 11:47 |
| shadeslayer | doing their magic | 11:47 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: just commit upstream, that tool is pretty much not maintained... | 11:48 |
| shadeslayer | k | 11:49 |
| shadeslayer | there's also kubuntu_nodisplay_knetattach.diff | 11:51 |
| * shadeslayer rages | 11:53 | |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: dolphon -> Network -> Add Network Folder | 11:54 |
| shadeslayer | kubuntu_shutup_shutup_shutup.diff | 11:54 |
| Riddell | that's knetattach | 11:54 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 11:54 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 11:54 |
| Riddell | no reason for it to be in the app menu | 11:54 |
| shadeslayer | true | 11:55 |
| apachelogger | knetattach was cluttering the menu, that's what the nodisplay solves | 11:56 |
| apachelogger | it's also part of the network slave, that's what the icon thingy solves | 11:56 |
| shadeslayer | roger | 11:57 |
| skaet | hiya Riddell, is Kubuntu participating in Alpha 1 next week? | 11:58 |
| shadeslayer | mmm ... if I can get otto to work, hopefully we won't need alpha's and beta's like ubuntu :P | 11:59 |
| shadeslayer | apparently otto can even record a video of things | 12:00 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: otto? | 12:00 |
| skaet | shadeslayer, otto? link please? | 12:00 |
| shadeslayer | http://launchpad.net/otto | 12:00 |
| shadeslayer | GUI testing framework using LXC | 12:00 |
| Riddell | ah yes your magic testing thing | 12:00 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 12:00 |
| Riddell | however not by next week I'd think | 12:00 |
| shadeslayer | probably not | 12:01 |
| Riddell | skaet: so yes we should be in on alpha 1 | 12:01 |
| shadeslayer | I've sent logs to jibel, haven't heard back on what could be going wrong | 12:01 |
| skaet | Riddell, coolio. | 12:01 |
| shadeslayer | okay, akademy flights booked \o/ | 12:02 |
| Riddell | yay | 12:05 |
| Riddell | hmm, libical transitions has found some packages that don't compile anyway in saucy, gnome-panel kmymoney openchange | 12:17 |
| apachelogger | yofel, shadeslayer: see latest comments on bug 156575 | 12:37 |
| ubottu | bug 156575 in Launchpad itself "PPA builds do not create -dbgsym packages" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156575 | 12:37 |
| Riddell | oh ug, all this rebuilding ical rdep packages makes me realise how nice cmake and kde are | 12:46 |
| Riddell | oh no config.guess and config.sub changed! must stop the package rebuild! | 12:47 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: I still think that you have to ask for dbgsym to be enabled | 12:54 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: see comment 21 | 12:54 |
| Riddell | evolution-data-server build-depends on libqt5? interesting | 13:16 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: yes | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: but the original concern with that was that it would bloat the regular ppa | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | which is not the case anymore | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | oh? | 13:19 |
| shadeslayer | how so? | 13:19 |
| shadeslayer | mm .. worthwhile to merge akonadi again? | 13:23 |
| shadeslayer | or should I just upload 1.9.80 | 13:23 |
| shadeslayer | anyone? | 13:26 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: what's new to merge? | 13:28 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs//main/a/akonadi/akonadi_1.9.2-2_changelog | 13:29 |
| shadeslayer | installs Qt plugins to Qt plugin dir | 13:29 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: depends if we care about people who use sqlite backend | 13:31 |
| Riddell | since it's reported to be unreliable dunno if we care | 13:31 |
| Riddell | but then it might be useful for mobile stuff and you like mobile stuff :) | 13:32 |
| shadeslayer | heh, using sqlite is too far in the future for mobile things right now ;) | 13:35 |
| shadeslayer | cd | 13:35 |
| shadeslayer | whoops | 13:35 |
| shadeslayer | oh wow | 13:47 |
| shadeslayer | debootstrap now lists versions when debootstrapping packages | 13:47 |
| ahoneybun | np valorie :) | 13:55 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.10.80 in progress | ||
| Riddell | "ical 1.0 needs backporting, requested by kdepimlibs upstream" | 13:59 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: calligra beta needs libphononexperimental-dev, is this wise? | 14:39 |
| apachelogger | not really | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | whatever they are using is never going to get into libphonon4 | 14:46 |
| soee | is there some widget thatt allows to pick color from colors pallete ? | 15:08 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: kcolorchooser? | 15:12 |
| Riddell | or is that an app | 15:12 |
| Riddell | there is one anyway | 15:12 |
| jessie | Anyone have a Twitter app for KDE they like. | 15:17 |
| jessie | ? | 15:18 |
| ahoneybun | jessie: there is one | 15:22 |
| Riddell | rekonq? | 15:22 |
| ahoneybun | choqok | 15:22 |
| ahoneybun | seems good | 15:22 |
| jessie | ahoneybun: Yeah, but Twitter depreciated their v1.0 API as of Tuesday, so it's broken now. :-/ | 15:23 |
| jessie | I think I'll spend some time tonight fixing that. | 15:23 |
| ahoneybun | oh | 15:23 |
| ahoneybun | did not know I don't really use twitter | 15:23 |
| Riddell | jessie: http://momeny.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/choqok-will-back-soon/ | 15:26 |
| jessie | Riddell: Already commented on that bug. ha | 15:27 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: what kind of things will KDE 4.11 bring? | 15:29 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: it'll be 0.1 better! | 15:29 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: I don't know, they'll be discussing it now in kde-promo what messages to spread | 15:30 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: I hear talk of Plasma Workspaces 2 | 15:30 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: not in 4.11, that'll be along with kde frameworks 5 | 15:33 |
| ahoneybun | yea but I have heard about it | 15:33 |
| jessie | Everything using QT 5? | 15:35 |
| Riddell | it will in kde frameworks 5 | 15:36 |
| Riddell | which is not due for another year | 15:36 |
| Riddell | and Plasma Workspaces 2 will be after it | 15:36 |
| ahoneybun | oh ok] | 15:36 |
| Riddell | 4.11 is the usual six monthly release | 15:36 |
| ahoneybun | 4.11 will be supported for 2 years though | 15:36 |
| Riddell | for what definition of support? | 15:37 |
| ahoneybun | updates | 15:38 |
| ahoneybun | I believe | 15:38 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: can you look at the Docs and see what we need? (I like more then one person's opinion) | 15:39 |
| === murthy_ is now known as murthy | ||
| murthy | hello everyone | 15:41 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: sure, but probably not this afternoon, already got a full todo | 15:47 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: thats fine I just like more people to look so I can get a better picture of where we are at | 15:48 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1190685] ktouchpadenabler failed to work on ASUS A53S laptop @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1190685 (by 林博仁(Henry Lin) a.k.a. Ｖ字龍(Vdragon)) | 17:28 |
| yofel | finally home | 17:50 |
| yofel | I didn't manage to even touch the notebook in the office today as we got new furniture and were cleaning out the attic. Took all day -.- | 17:50 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: I *think* you didn't create a kdesc-dev-latest-saucy.txt? | 17:53 |
| yofel | Otherwise I don't get why we have successfull builds without kdelibs | 17:54 |
| Dummies_freelanc | hello i want download kubuntu with plasma active. | 18:27 |
| Dummies_freelanc | can help me? | 18:27 |
| Dummies_freelanc | how to? | 18:27 |
| Dummies_freelanc | i use parabolagnulinux , based in arch | 18:28 |
| Dummies_freelanc | can use plasma acive in this distro ? | 18:28 |
| jessie | Dummies_freelanc: You will probably get a better response in #kubuntu. | 18:28 |
| Dummies_freelanc | thanks jessie | 18:31 |
| Dummies_freelanc | jessie: i have one panel multitouch infrared by usb this device work with kubuntu | 18:34 |
| jessie | Dummies_freelanc: I'm not understanding you, sorry. Are you talking about something like the Leap Motion? | 18:35 |
| Dummies_freelanc | no i building one application with qt and qml .. similar to movile but of 32 inch. | 18:36 |
| Dummies_freelanc | them i try that the SO support the gestures. | 18:37 |
| genii | Dummies_freelanc: I just gave you the link in #kubuntu | 18:38 |
| Dummies_freelanc | ok | 18:39 |
| Dummies_freelanc | no exist for 64 bits | 18:49 |
| genii | Dummies_freelanc: Correct. | 18:53 |
| Dummies_freelanc | why ? | 18:53 |
| genii | Dummies_freelanc: But as I said, the 32bit version works fine on 64bit systems. | 18:53 |
| Dummies_freelanc | mm ok i try instal 32 bits in 64 bits | 18:53 |
| Dummies_freelanc | ok download and install | 18:54 |
| juancarlospaco_ | Hello Kubuntu Jedis, Question: Why is not Kobby packaged on Kubuntu ? | 19:02 |
| BluesKaj | juancarlospaco_, ask in #kobby | 19:14 |
| BluesKaj | there's supposed tob e an active chat on freenode for kopbby , but it looks empty | 19:16 |
| BluesKaj | err kobby | 19:16 |
| juancarlospaco_ | :( | 19:21 |
| jessie | :-/ I'm having issues getting choqok to compile right. | 19:23 |
| jessie | CMAKE_BUILD_PREFIX should be /usr on 13.04, yeah? | 19:32 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: I think I did ... but the file looks a bit wonky | 20:19 |
| shadeslayer | anyway, I also forgot to push bzr -.- | 20:20 |
| shadeslayer | pushing that now, will sort out packaging tomorrow | 20:20 |
| shadeslayer | hooray : qemu-arm-static: /build/buildd/qemu-linaro-1.0.50-2012.03/user-exec.c:100: handle_cpu_signal: Assertion `({ unsigned long __guest = (unsigned long)(address) - guest_base; (__guest < (1ul << 32)) && (!reserved_va || (__guest < reserved_va)); })' failed. | 20:25 |
| shadeslayer | that indicates that it's time for me to head to bed | 20:26 |
| Quintasan | question of the day | 21:33 |
| Quintasan | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/13/before.png | 21:33 |
| Quintasan | after I restart plasma-desktop | 21:33 |
| Quintasan | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/13/after.png | 21:33 |
| Quintasan | WHYYYYYYYYYYY | 21:33 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: How many DD signatures on my key I need to become one? | 22:02 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: One. | 22:41 |
| Quintasan | ... | 22:41 |
| Quintasan | Wait. | 22:41 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: Stefano is a DD, right? | 22:41 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 22:41 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: and bdrung? | 22:41 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 22:42 |
| Quintasan | Well, that makes it two | 22:42 |
| Quintasan | I can pester for yours for additional prestige if any comes with you signature :P | 22:42 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: https://nm.debian.org/public/person/bdrung | 22:42 |
| ScottK | Please do. | 22:43 |
| ScottK | I keep forgetting when I am at the right place to do it. | 22:43 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: in approximately how many hours are you going to find yourself in the appropriate location? | 22:43 |
| ScottK | With free time? | 22:43 |
| ScottK | Probably 28 - 30. | 22:44 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: I see, I'm going to ping the hell out of your nickname then | 22:45 |
| Quintasan | Wait. | 22:45 |
| ScottK | We'll see if that works ... | 22:45 |
| Quintasan | There is one critical flaw with my plan | 22:45 |
| Quintasan | 30 hours from now it's going to be middle of morning | 22:45 |
| Quintasan | I might have to implement apachelogger's broken policy for tomorrow | 22:45 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 22:46 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: Considering we are in waaaaay different timezones that kind of implies not going to bed at all. | 22:46 |
| ScottK | Sleep is for the weak. | 22:47 |
| ScottK | We've discussed this before. | 22:47 |
| * apachelogger nods | 22:47 | |
| * ahoneybun_ likes sleep too much | 22:48 | |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: You like broke your policy ones, no nodding here :P | 22:48 |
| Quintasan | once even* | 22:48 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: I believe we did but one can't simply study 48 hours straight | 22:50 |
| ScottK | This is what caffeine and sugar are for. | 22:51 |
| * Quintasan looks around | 22:51 | |
| Quintasan | There are 7 coffee mugs on the table | 22:52 |
| Quintasan | I have nothing to put coffee in ScottK, I think I can inject that directly into bloodstream then | 22:52 |
| * genii hears something about coffee, wanders in, then back out again | 22:53 | |
| Quintasan | genii: Do you have a highlight on coffee? | 22:54 |
| genii | Quintasan: Yes :) | 22:54 |
| Quintasan | Wow | 22:55 |
| Quintasan | Almost like apachelogger who has highlights on | 22:55 |
| Quintasan | python | 22:55 |
| Quintasan | and beer | 22:55 |
| * genii contemplates adding beer to the highlight list | 22:55 | |
| Quintasan | kubotu: order beer for genii | 22:55 |
| * kubotu gives genii a nice frosty mug of beer. | 22:55 | |
| apachelogger | \o/ beer \o/ | 22:56 |
| genii | Woo! | 22:56 |
| ahoneybun_ | Hello all | 23:17 |
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