[02:39] hey all [03:28] Darkwing: hello [04:19] !ninjas | 4.11 Beta 1 tarballs available for packaging. [04:19] 4.11 Beta 1 tarballs available for packaging.: Ninja Time! apachelogger, debfx, JontheEchidna, Quintasan, Riddell, ScottK, yofel, smartboyhw, murthy [05:19] ahoneybun: I think I over-reacted earlier about the managing repositories page [05:20] otoh, I really think that using the cli commands is a lot better and easier than editing the sources list as sudo [05:21] I'm not going to rewrite a section I already wrote, however [05:23] I like the page as it is, except for that [05:36] valorie: You aren't recommending running a KDE editor using sudo are you? [05:37] I'm not, but that page does [05:37] not kdesudo even [05:38] :( [05:38] I think using apt-add-repository is the best cli method [05:41] valorie: yes [05:43] there is nothing wrong with linking to an official ubuntu page about the old way to manage repositories by editing the source list, but I don't like the idea of us advocating it [05:43] valorie: I agree [05:47] valorie: It shouldn't recommend using things like kate for editing as sudo. They aren't really designed for it. [05:47] AFAIK, Krusader is the only KDE app that is. [05:48] no gui app should be run with sudo [05:48] simple rule that keeps you safe [05:48] True. [05:49] Acutall software-properties-kde is fine too. [05:49] Actually [05:49] Which, when activated though Muon is a nice way to do. [05:49] do/go [05:49] naturally [05:50] but one generally doesn't invoke that with sudo [05:50] rather it asks for passw at the proper time [05:51] right. [05:52] That's what the basic documentation ought to cover since it's the KDE/gui way to do it right. [05:52] yup [05:54] ok, fixing [05:56] ok, looks like ahoneybun had already removed that stuff [05:56] :-) [05:56] thanks, ahoneybun [06:14] done [06:17] good morning [06:57] yofel: did you upload 4.10.80? [07:00] doesn't look like it [07:11] yofel: Riddell 4.10.80 script running for saucy on server [07:11] the power went out, so I'll have to shut down my PC, but hopefully the script will be done till the power comes back [07:12] http://paste.kde.org/772112 what I used for the package list [07:12] ( has the split modules ) [07:14] cya [08:24] #MISSING: 0.4.2# (optional=gccinternal)_ZN6Attica19DownloadDescription7PrivateD1Ev@Base 0.4.0 [08:24] #MISSING: 0.4.2# (optional=gccinternal)_ZN6Attica19DownloadDescription7PrivateD2Ev@Base 0.4.0 [08:24] both of those are private symbols and can be dropped right ^^ [08:32] yofel, shadeslayer, Quintasan: so, what would you have me do? [08:32] shadeslayer: about the symbol... they can be dropped depending on who you ask [08:35] Riddell: https://trello.com/c/5Y2980oz [08:35] I am raesonable certain we had a patch in kate... [08:37] debian/patches/kubuntu_kate_initial_preference.patch [08:38] ah yeah [08:38] it's not applied [08:38] nice [08:39] hold on [08:39] what [08:40] that's broken in raring [08:40] it's broken in raring since dec 5 [08:40] WTF [08:42] and kate isn't even watched by kubuntu-bugs [09:11] apachelogger: I've already told you, IMHO it doesn't make sense NOT to use LP for kf5 modules since they don't have submodule history [09:11] fine for Qt5 [09:12] and how do you want the packaging for qt5? [09:12] apachelogger: re i10n for kio mtp, can we SRU that? [09:12] all in one branch [09:12] all in different branches [09:12] apachelogger: whatever suits you [09:12] in bzr? or in git? or in mercurial [09:12] I have no personal preference regarding that [09:12] * apachelogger throws keyboard [09:13] again, no preference :P [09:13] I am not a neon developer, I am here to serve you for once [09:13] whatever works for you [09:13] so tell me your fing opinion for the love of darth vader [09:13] heh [09:13] apachelogger: you'll be fetching Qt5 from git, so IMHO it makes sense to use git for everything Qt5 related [09:14] and bzr for kf5 [09:15] right then, one git repo or one per package? or one branch per package in one repo (why that would be confusing...) [09:15] also where to put it? [09:15] per branch would be confusing IMHO [09:16] how many Qt5 modules are there? [09:16] put it in gitorious? [09:16] some 10 modules I think [09:17] okay, then 10 git repos ... shouldn't be too bad? [09:17] I have to go out for a bit [09:17] yofel, Quintasan: are you ok with some 10 git repos containing the packaging or would you prefer something else? === vHanda_ is now known as vHanda === vinay is now known as Guest26917 [11:14] apachelogger: I have not problems with that [11:14] as in 10 git repos [11:14] apachelogger: We are currently working like this with neon so +10 repos won't change much IMO [11:25] Hiyas all [11:31] shadeslayer, you guys already working on 4.11 beda ? [11:31] *beta [11:32] yus [11:32] drat, I don't have my keys imported on this saucy install [11:32] shadeslayer, for Saucy ? are you planning to backport it ? [11:33] yes [11:33] saucy comes first though [11:33] shadeslayer, ok thank you [11:34] np [11:34] you can help too :) [11:34] there are a bunch of splits, someone needs to package those [11:42] is there any point in keeping kubuntu_oxygenify_knetattach_icon.diff [11:46] shadeslayer: why wouldn't you? [11:46] Riddell: what I mean is, is there a point in keeping this packaging ? why not forward upstream? [11:46] I'm not even sure what knetattach does :S [11:47] KDE Network wizard [11:47] so many wizards on my PC [11:47] doing their magic [11:48] shadeslayer: just commit upstream, that tool is pretty much not maintained... [11:49] k [11:51] there's also kubuntu_nodisplay_knetattach.diff [11:53] * shadeslayer rages [11:54] shadeslayer: dolphon -> Network -> Add Network Folder [11:54] kubuntu_shutup_shutup_shutup.diff [11:54] that's knetattach [11:54] ah [11:54] okay [11:54] no reason for it to be in the app menu [11:55] true [11:56] knetattach was cluttering the menu, that's what the nodisplay solves [11:56] it's also part of the network slave, that's what the icon thingy solves [11:57] roger [11:58] hiya Riddell, is Kubuntu participating in Alpha 1 next week? [11:59] mmm ... if I can get otto to work, hopefully we won't need alpha's and beta's like ubuntu :P [12:00] apparently otto can even record a video of things [12:00] shadeslayer: otto? [12:00] shadeslayer, otto? link please? [12:00] http://launchpad.net/otto [12:00] GUI testing framework using LXC [12:00] ah yes your magic testing thing [12:00] yes [12:00] however not by next week I'd think [12:01] probably not [12:01] skaet: so yes we should be in on alpha 1 [12:01] I've sent logs to jibel, haven't heard back on what could be going wrong [12:01] Riddell, coolio. [12:02] okay, akademy flights booked \o/ [12:05] yay [12:17] hmm, libical transitions has found some packages that don't compile anyway in saucy, gnome-panel kmymoney openchange [12:37] yofel, shadeslayer: see latest comments on bug 156575 [12:37] bug 156575 in Launchpad itself "PPA builds do not create -dbgsym packages" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156575 [12:46] oh ug, all this rebuilding ical rdep packages makes me realise how nice cmake and kde are [12:47] oh no config.guess and config.sub changed! must stop the package rebuild! [12:54] apachelogger: I still think that you have to ask for dbgsym to be enabled [12:54] apachelogger: see comment 21 [13:16] evolution-data-server build-depends on libqt5? interesting [13:18] shadeslayer: yes [13:18] shadeslayer: but the original concern with that was that it would bloat the regular ppa [13:18] yes [13:18] which is not the case anymore [13:19] oh? [13:19] how so? [13:23] mm .. worthwhile to merge akonadi again? [13:23] or should I just upload 1.9.80 [13:26] anyone? [13:28] shadeslayer: what's new to merge? [13:29] Riddell: http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs//main/a/akonadi/akonadi_1.9.2-2_changelog [13:29] installs Qt plugins to Qt plugin dir [13:31] shadeslayer: depends if we care about people who use sqlite backend [13:31] since it's reported to be unreliable dunno if we care [13:32] but then it might be useful for mobile stuff and you like mobile stuff :) [13:35] heh, using sqlite is too far in the future for mobile things right now ;) [13:35] cd [13:35] whoops [13:47] oh wow [13:47] debootstrap now lists versions when debootstrapping packages [13:55] np valorie :) === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas 4.10.80 in progress [13:59] "ical 1.0 needs backporting, requested by kdepimlibs upstream" [14:39] apachelogger: calligra beta needs libphononexperimental-dev, is this wise? [14:46] not really [14:46] whatever they are using is never going to get into libphonon4 [15:08] is there some widget thatt allows to pick color from colors pallete ? [15:12] shadeslayer: kcolorchooser? [15:12] or is that an app [15:12] there is one anyway [15:17] Anyone have a Twitter app for KDE they like. [15:18] ? [15:22] jessie: there is one [15:22] rekonq? [15:22] choqok [15:22] seems good [15:23] ahoneybun: Yeah, but Twitter depreciated their v1.0 API as of Tuesday, so it's broken now. :-/ [15:23] I think I'll spend some time tonight fixing that. [15:23] oh [15:23] did not know I don't really use twitter [15:26] jessie: http://momeny.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/choqok-will-back-soon/ [15:27] Riddell: Already commented on that bug. ha [15:29] Riddell: what kind of things will KDE 4.11 bring? [15:29] ahoneybun: it'll be 0.1 better! [15:30] ahoneybun: I don't know, they'll be discussing it now in kde-promo what messages to spread [15:30] Riddell: I hear talk of Plasma Workspaces 2 [15:33] ahoneybun: not in 4.11, that'll be along with kde frameworks 5 [15:33] yea but I have heard about it [15:35] Everything using QT 5? [15:36] it will in kde frameworks 5 [15:36] which is not due for another year [15:36] and Plasma Workspaces 2 will be after it [15:36] oh ok] [15:36] 4.11 is the usual six monthly release [15:36] 4.11 will be supported for 2 years though [15:37] for what definition of support? [15:38] updates [15:38] I believe [15:39] Riddell: can you look at the Docs and see what we need? (I like more then one person's opinion) === murthy_ is now known as murthy [15:41] hello everyone [15:47] ahoneybun: sure, but probably not this afternoon, already got a full todo [15:48] Riddell: thats fine I just like more people to look so I can get a better picture of where we are at [17:28] ::workspace-bugs:: [1190685] ktouchpadenabler failed to work on ASUS A53S laptop @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1190685 (by 林博仁(Henry Lin) a.k.a. Ｖ字龍(Vdragon)) [17:50] finally home [17:50] I didn't manage to even touch the notebook in the office today as we got new furniture and were cleaning out the attic. Took all day -.- [17:53] shadeslayer: I *think* you didn't create a kdesc-dev-latest-saucy.txt? [17:54] Otherwise I don't get why we have successfull builds without kdelibs [18:27] hello i want download kubuntu with plasma active. [18:27] can help me? [18:27] how to? [18:28] i use parabolagnulinux , based in arch [18:28] can use plasma acive in this distro ? [18:28] Dummies_freelanc: You will probably get a better response in #kubuntu. [18:31] thanks jessie [18:34] jessie: i have one panel multitouch infrared by usb this device work with kubuntu [18:35] Dummies_freelanc: I'm not understanding you, sorry. Are you talking about something like the Leap Motion? [18:36] no i building one application with qt and qml .. similar to movile but of 32 inch. [18:37] them i try that the SO support the gestures. [18:38] Dummies_freelanc: I just gave you the link in #kubuntu [18:39] ok [18:49] no exist for 64 bits [18:53] Dummies_freelanc: Correct. [18:53] why ? [18:53] Dummies_freelanc: But as I said, the 32bit version works fine on 64bit systems. [18:53] mm ok i try instal 32 bits in 64 bits [18:54] ok download and install [19:02] Hello Kubuntu Jedis, Question: Why is not Kobby packaged on Kubuntu ? [19:14] juancarlospaco_, ask in #kobby [19:16] there's supposed tob e an active chat on freenode for kopbby , but it looks empty [19:16] err kobby [19:21] :( [19:23] :-/ I'm having issues getting choqok to compile right. [19:32] CMAKE_BUILD_PREFIX should be /usr on 13.04, yeah? [20:19] yofel: I think I did ... but the file looks a bit wonky [20:20] anyway, I also forgot to push bzr -.- [20:20] pushing that now, will sort out packaging tomorrow [20:25] hooray : qemu-arm-static: /build/buildd/qemu-linaro-1.0.50-2012.03/user-exec.c:100: handle_cpu_signal: Assertion `({ unsigned long __guest = (unsigned long)(address) - guest_base; (__guest < (1ul << 32)) && (!reserved_va || (__guest < reserved_va)); })' failed. [20:26] that indicates that it's time for me to head to bed [21:33] question of the day [21:33] http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/13/before.png [21:33] after I restart plasma-desktop [21:33] http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/13/after.png [21:33] WHYYYYYYYYYYY [22:02] ScottK: How many DD signatures on my key I need to become one? [22:41] Quintasan: One. [22:41] ... [22:41] Wait. [22:41] ScottK: Stefano is a DD, right? [22:41] Yes. [22:41] ScottK: and bdrung? [22:42] Yes. [22:42] Well, that makes it two [22:42] I can pester for yours for additional prestige if any comes with you signature :P [22:42] Quintasan: https://nm.debian.org/public/person/bdrung [22:43] Please do. [22:43] I keep forgetting when I am at the right place to do it. [22:43] ScottK: in approximately how many hours are you going to find yourself in the appropriate location? [22:43] With free time? [22:44] Probably 28 - 30. [22:45] ScottK: I see, I'm going to ping the hell out of your nickname then [22:45] Wait. [22:45] We'll see if that works ... [22:45] There is one critical flaw with my plan [22:45] 30 hours from now it's going to be middle of morning [22:45] I might have to implement apachelogger's broken policy for tomorrow [22:46] ;-) [22:46] ScottK: Considering we are in waaaaay different timezones that kind of implies not going to bed at all. [22:47] Sleep is for the weak. [22:47] We've discussed this before. [22:47] * apachelogger nods [22:48] * ahoneybun_ likes sleep too much [22:48] apachelogger: You like broke your policy ones, no nodding here :P [22:48] once even* [22:50] ScottK: I believe we did but one can't simply study 48 hours straight [22:51] This is what caffeine and sugar are for. [22:51] * Quintasan looks around [22:52] There are 7 coffee mugs on the table [22:52] I have nothing to put coffee in ScottK, I think I can inject that directly into bloodstream then [22:53] * genii hears something about coffee, wanders in, then back out again [22:54] genii: Do you have a highlight on coffee? [22:54] Quintasan: Yes :) [22:55] Wow [22:55] Almost like apachelogger who has highlights on [22:55] python [22:55] and beer [22:55] * genii contemplates adding beer to the highlight list [22:55] kubotu: order beer for genii [22:55] * kubotu gives genii a nice frosty mug of beer. [22:56] \o/ beer \o/ [22:56] Woo! [23:17] Hello all