[02:39] <ahoneybun> hey all
[03:28] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: hello
[04:19] <ScottK> !ninjas | 4.11 Beta 1 tarballs available for packaging.
[05:19] <valorie> ahoneybun: I think I over-reacted earlier about the managing repositories page
[05:20] <valorie> otoh, I really think that using the cli commands is a lot better and easier than editing the sources list as sudo
[05:21] <valorie> I'm not going to rewrite a section I already wrote, however
[05:23] <valorie> I like the page as it is, except for that
[05:36] <ScottK> valorie: You aren't recommending running a KDE editor using sudo are you?
[05:37] <valorie> I'm not, but that page does
[05:37] <valorie> not kdesudo even
[05:38] <valorie> :(
[05:38] <valorie> I think using apt-add-repository is the best cli method
[05:41] <Tm_T> valorie: yes
[05:43] <valorie> there is nothing wrong with linking to an official ubuntu page about the old way to manage repositories by editing the source list, but I don't like the idea of us advocating it
[05:43] <Tm_T> valorie: I agree
[05:47] <ScottK> valorie: It shouldn't recommend using things like kate for editing as sudo.  They aren't really designed for it.
[05:47] <ScottK> AFAIK, Krusader is the only KDE app that is.
[05:48] <Tm_T> no gui app should be run with sudo
[05:48] <Tm_T> simple rule that keeps you safe
[05:48] <ScottK> True.
[05:49] <ScottK> Acutall software-properties-kde is fine too.
[05:49] <ScottK> Actually
[05:49] <ScottK> Which, when activated though Muon is a nice way to do.
[05:49] <ScottK> do/go
[05:49] <valorie> naturally
[05:50] <valorie> but one generally doesn't invoke that with sudo
[05:50] <valorie> rather it asks for passw at the proper time
[05:51] <ScottK> right.
[05:52] <ScottK> That's what the basic documentation ought to cover since it's the KDE/gui way to do it right.
[05:52] <valorie> yup
[05:54] <valorie> ok, fixing
[05:56] <valorie> ok, looks like ahoneybun had already removed that stuff
[05:56] <valorie> :-)
[05:56] <valorie> thanks, ahoneybun
[06:14] <valorie> done
[06:17] <soee> good morning
[06:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: did you upload 4.10.80?
[07:00] <shadeslayer> doesn't look like it
[07:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell 4.10.80 script running for saucy on server
[07:11] <shadeslayer> the power went out, so I'll have to shut down my PC, but hopefully the script will be done till the power comes back 
[07:12] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/772112 what I used for the package list
[07:12] <shadeslayer> ( has the split modules )
[07:14] <shadeslayer> cya
[08:24] <shadeslayer>   #MISSING: 0.4.2# (optional=gccinternal)_ZN6Attica19DownloadDescription7PrivateD1Ev@Base 0.4.0
[08:24] <shadeslayer>   #MISSING: 0.4.2# (optional=gccinternal)_ZN6Attica19DownloadDescription7PrivateD2Ev@Base 0.4.0
[08:24] <shadeslayer> both of those are private symbols and can be dropped right ^^
[08:32] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer, Quintasan: so, what would you have me do?
[08:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: about the symbol... they can be dropped depending on who you ask
[08:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://trello.com/c/5Y2980oz
[08:35] <apachelogger> I am raesonable certain we had a patch in kate...
[08:37] <apachelogger> debian/patches/kubuntu_kate_initial_preference.patch
[08:38] <apachelogger> ah yeah
[08:38] <apachelogger> it's not applied
[08:38] <apachelogger> nice
[08:39] <apachelogger> hold on
[08:39] <apachelogger> what 
[08:40] <apachelogger> that's broken in raring
[08:40] <apachelogger> it's broken in raring since dec 5
[08:40] <apachelogger> WTF
[08:42] <apachelogger> and kate isn't even watched by kubuntu-bugs
[09:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I've already told you, IMHO it doesn't make sense NOT to use LP for kf5 modules since they don't have submodule history
[09:11] <shadeslayer> fine for Qt5
[09:12] <apachelogger> and how do you want the packaging for qt5?
[09:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: re i10n for kio mtp, can we SRU that?
[09:12] <apachelogger> all in one branch
[09:12] <apachelogger> all in different branches
[09:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whatever suits you
[09:12] <apachelogger> in bzr? or in git? or in mercurial
[09:12] <shadeslayer> I have no personal preference regarding that
[09:12]  * apachelogger throws keyboard
[09:13] <shadeslayer> again, no preference :P
[09:13] <apachelogger> I am not a neon developer, I am here to serve you for once
[09:13] <shadeslayer> whatever works for you
[09:13] <apachelogger> so tell me your fing opinion for the love of darth vader
[09:13] <shadeslayer> heh
[09:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you'll be fetching Qt5 from git, so IMHO it makes sense to use git for everything Qt5 related
[09:14] <shadeslayer> and bzr for kf5
[09:15] <apachelogger> right then, one git repo or one per package? or one branch per package in one repo (why that would be confusing...)
[09:15] <apachelogger> also where to put it?
[09:15] <shadeslayer> per branch would be confusing IMHO
[09:16] <shadeslayer> how many Qt5 modules are there?
[09:16] <shadeslayer> put it in gitorious?
[09:16] <apachelogger> some 10 modules I think
[09:17] <shadeslayer> okay, then 10 git repos ... shouldn't be too bad?
[09:17] <shadeslayer> I have to go out for a bit
[09:17] <apachelogger> yofel, Quintasan: are you ok with some 10 git repos containing the packaging or would you prefer something else?
[11:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I have not problems with that
[11:14] <Quintasan> as in 10 git repos
[11:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: We are currently working like this with neon so +10 repos won't change much IMO
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:31] <soee> shadeslayer, you guys already working on 4.11 beda ?
[11:31] <soee> *beta
[11:32] <shadeslayer> yus
[11:32] <shadeslayer> drat, I don't have my keys imported on this saucy install
[11:32] <soee> shadeslayer, for Saucy ? are you planning to backport it ?
[11:33] <shadeslayer> yes
[11:33] <shadeslayer> saucy comes first though
[11:33] <soee> shadeslayer, ok thank you
[11:34] <shadeslayer> np
[11:34] <shadeslayer> you can help too :)
[11:34] <shadeslayer> there are a bunch of splits, someone needs to package those
[11:42] <shadeslayer> is there any point in keeping kubuntu_oxygenify_knetattach_icon.diff
[11:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why wouldn't you?
[11:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what I mean is, is there a point in keeping this packaging ? why not forward upstream?
[11:46] <shadeslayer> I'm not even sure what knetattach does :S
[11:47] <shadeslayer> KDE Network wizard
[11:47] <shadeslayer> so many wizards on my PC
[11:47] <shadeslayer> doing their magic
[11:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just commit upstream, that tool is pretty much not maintained...
[11:49] <shadeslayer> k
[11:51] <shadeslayer> there's also kubuntu_nodisplay_knetattach.diff
[11:53]  * shadeslayer rages
[11:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: dolphon -> Network -> Add Network Folder
[11:54] <shadeslayer> kubuntu_shutup_shutup_shutup.diff
[11:54] <Riddell> that's knetattach
[11:54] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:54] <shadeslayer> okay
[11:54] <Riddell> no reason for it to be in the app menu
[11:55] <shadeslayer> true
[11:56] <apachelogger> knetattach was cluttering the menu, that's what the nodisplay solves
[11:56] <apachelogger> it's also part of the network slave, that's what the icon thingy solves
[11:57] <shadeslayer> roger
[11:58] <skaet> hiya Riddell,   is Kubuntu participating in Alpha 1 next week?
[11:59] <shadeslayer> mmm ... if I can get otto to work, hopefully we won't need alpha's and beta's like ubuntu :P
[12:00] <shadeslayer> apparently otto can even record a video of things
[12:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: otto?
[12:00] <skaet> shadeslayer,  otto?  link please?
[12:00] <shadeslayer> http://launchpad.net/otto
[12:00] <shadeslayer> GUI testing framework using LXC
[12:00] <Riddell> ah yes your magic testing thing
[12:00] <shadeslayer> yes
[12:00] <Riddell> however not by next week I'd think
[12:01] <shadeslayer> probably not
[12:01] <Riddell> skaet: so yes we should be in on alpha 1
[12:01] <shadeslayer> I've sent logs to jibel, haven't heard back on what could be going wrong
[12:01] <skaet> Riddell,  coolio.  
[12:02] <shadeslayer> okay, akademy flights booked \o/
[12:05] <Riddell> yay
[12:17] <Riddell> hmm, libical transitions has found some packages that don't compile anyway in saucy, gnome-panel kmymoney openchange
[12:37] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer: see latest comments on bug 156575
[12:46] <Riddell> oh ug, all this rebuilding ical rdep packages makes me realise how nice cmake and kde are
[12:47] <Riddell> oh no config.guess and config.sub changed! must stop the package rebuild!
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I still think that you have to ask for dbgsym to be enabled
[12:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: see comment 21
[13:16] <Riddell> evolution-data-server build-depends on libqt5?  interesting
[13:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes
[13:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: but the original concern with that was that it would bloat the regular ppa
[13:18] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:18] <apachelogger> which is not the case anymore
[13:19] <shadeslayer> oh?
[13:19] <shadeslayer> how so?
[13:23] <shadeslayer> mm .. worthwhile to merge akonadi again?
[13:23] <shadeslayer> or should I just upload 1.9.80
[13:26] <shadeslayer> anyone?
[13:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's new to merge?
[13:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs//main/a/akonadi/akonadi_1.9.2-2_changelog
[13:29] <shadeslayer> installs Qt plugins to Qt plugin dir
[13:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: depends if we care about people who use sqlite backend
[13:31] <Riddell> since it's reported to be unreliable dunno if we care
[13:32] <Riddell> but then it might be useful for mobile stuff and you like mobile stuff :)
[13:35] <shadeslayer> heh, using sqlite is too far in the future for mobile things right now ;)
[13:35] <shadeslayer> cd 
[13:35] <shadeslayer> whoops
[13:47] <shadeslayer> oh wow
[13:47] <shadeslayer> debootstrap now lists versions when debootstrapping packages
[13:55] <ahoneybun> np valorie :)
[13:59] <Riddell> "ical 1.0 needs backporting, requested by kdepimlibs upstream"
[14:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: calligra beta needs libphononexperimental-dev, is this wise?
[14:46] <apachelogger> not really
[14:46] <apachelogger> whatever they are using is never going to get into libphonon4
[15:08] <soee> is there some widget thatt allows to pick color from colors pallete ?
[15:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kcolorchooser?
[15:12] <Riddell> or is that an app
[15:12] <Riddell> there is one anyway
[15:17] <jessie> Anyone have a Twitter app for KDE they like.
[15:18] <jessie> ?
[15:22] <ahoneybun> jessie: there is one 
[15:22] <Riddell> rekonq?
[15:22] <ahoneybun> choqok
[15:22] <ahoneybun> seems good
[15:23] <jessie> ahoneybun: Yeah, but Twitter depreciated their v1.0 API as of Tuesday, so it's broken now. :-/
[15:23] <jessie> I think I'll spend some time tonight fixing that.
[15:23] <ahoneybun> oh
[15:23] <ahoneybun> did not know I don't really use twitter
[15:26] <Riddell> jessie: http://momeny.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/choqok-will-back-soon/
[15:27] <jessie> Riddell: Already commented on that bug. ha
[15:29] <ahoneybun> Riddell: what kind of things will KDE 4.11 bring?
[15:29] <Riddell> ahoneybun: it'll be 0.1 better!
[15:30] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I don't know, they'll  be discussing it now in kde-promo what messages to spread
[15:30] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I hear talk of Plasma Workspaces 2
[15:33] <Riddell> ahoneybun: not in 4.11, that'll be along with kde frameworks 5
[15:33] <ahoneybun> yea but I have heard about it
[15:35] <jessie> Everything using QT 5?
[15:36] <Riddell> it will in kde frameworks 5
[15:36] <Riddell> which is not due for another year
[15:36] <Riddell> and Plasma Workspaces 2 will be after it
[15:36] <ahoneybun> oh ok]
[15:36] <Riddell> 4.11 is the usual six monthly release
[15:36] <ahoneybun> 4.11 will be supported for 2 years though
[15:37] <Riddell> for what definition of support? 
[15:38] <ahoneybun> updates
[15:38] <ahoneybun> I believe
[15:39] <ahoneybun> Riddell: can you look at the Docs and see what we need? (I like more then one person's opinion)
[15:41] <murthy> hello everyone
[15:47] <Riddell> ahoneybun: sure, but probably not this afternoon, already got a full todo
[15:48] <ahoneybun> Riddell: thats fine I just like more people to look so I can get a better picture of where we are at
[17:28] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1190685] ktouchpadenabler failed to work on ASUS A53S laptop @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1190685 (by 林博仁(Henry Lin) a.k.a. Ｖ字龍(Vdragon))
[17:50] <yofel> finally home
[17:50] <yofel> I didn't manage to even touch the notebook in the office today as we got new furniture and were cleaning out the attic. Took all day -.-
[17:53] <yofel> shadeslayer: I *think* you didn't create a kdesc-dev-latest-saucy.txt?
[17:54] <yofel> Otherwise I don't get why we have successfull builds without kdelibs
[18:27] <Dummies_freelanc> hello i want download kubuntu with plasma active. 
[18:27] <Dummies_freelanc> can help me?
[18:27] <Dummies_freelanc> how to?
[18:28] <Dummies_freelanc> i use parabolagnulinux ,  based in arch
[18:28] <Dummies_freelanc> can use plasma acive  in this distro ?
[18:28] <jessie> Dummies_freelanc: You will probably get a better response in #kubuntu.
[18:31] <Dummies_freelanc> thanks jessie
[18:34] <Dummies_freelanc> jessie:  i have one panel multitouch infrared  by usb  this device work with kubuntu
[18:35] <jessie> Dummies_freelanc: I'm not understanding you, sorry. Are you talking about something like the Leap Motion?
[18:36] <Dummies_freelanc> no i building one application with qt and qml .. similar to movile but of 32 inch. 
[18:37] <Dummies_freelanc> them i try that  the SO support the gestures.
[18:38] <genii> Dummies_freelanc: I just gave you the link in #kubuntu
[18:39] <Dummies_freelanc> ok
[18:49] <Dummies_freelanc> no exist for 64 bits
[18:53] <genii> Dummies_freelanc: Correct.
[18:53] <Dummies_freelanc> why ?
[18:53] <genii> Dummies_freelanc: But as I said, the 32bit version works fine on 64bit systems.
[18:53] <Dummies_freelanc> mm ok i try instal 32 bits in 64 bits
[18:54] <Dummies_freelanc> ok download and install
[19:02] <juancarlospaco_> Hello Kubuntu Jedis, Question:  Why is not Kobby packaged on Kubuntu ?
[19:14] <BluesKaj> juancarlospaco_, ask in #kobby
[19:16] <BluesKaj> there's supposed tob e an active chat on freenode for kopbby , but it looks empty
[19:16] <BluesKaj> err kobby
[19:21] <juancarlospaco_> :(
[19:23] <jessie> :-/ I'm having issues getting choqok to compile right.
[19:32] <jessie> CMAKE_BUILD_PREFIX should be /usr on 13.04, yeah?
[20:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: I think I did ... but the file looks a bit wonky
[20:20] <shadeslayer> anyway, I also forgot to push bzr -.-
[20:20] <shadeslayer> pushing that now, will sort out packaging tomorrow
[20:25] <shadeslayer> hooray : qemu-arm-static: /build/buildd/qemu-linaro-1.0.50-2012.03/user-exec.c:100: handle_cpu_signal: Assertion `({ unsigned long __guest = (unsigned long)(address) - guest_base; (__guest < (1ul << 32)) && (!reserved_va || (__guest < reserved_va)); })' failed.
[20:26] <shadeslayer> that indicates that it's time for me to head to bed
[21:33] <Quintasan> question of the day
[21:33] <Quintasan> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/13/before.png
[21:33] <Quintasan> after I restart plasma-desktop
[21:33] <Quintasan> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/13/after.png
[21:33] <Quintasan> WHYYYYYYYYYYY
[22:02] <Quintasan> ScottK: How many DD signatures on my key I need to become one?
[22:41] <ScottK> Quintasan: One.
[22:41] <Quintasan> ...
[22:41] <Quintasan> Wait.
[22:41] <Quintasan> ScottK: Stefano is a DD, right?
[22:41] <ScottK> Yes.
[22:41] <Quintasan> ScottK: and bdrung?
[22:42] <ScottK> Yes.
[22:42] <Quintasan> Well, that makes it two
[22:42] <Quintasan> I can pester for yours for additional prestige if any comes with you signature :P
[22:42] <ScottK> Quintasan: https://nm.debian.org/public/person/bdrung
[22:43] <ScottK> Please do.
[22:43] <ScottK> I keep forgetting when I am at the right place to do it.
[22:43] <Quintasan> ScottK: in approximately how many hours are you going to find yourself in the appropriate location?
[22:43] <ScottK> With free time?
[22:44] <ScottK> Probably 28 - 30.
[22:45] <Quintasan> ScottK: I see, I'm going to ping the hell out of your nickname then
[22:45] <Quintasan> Wait.
[22:45] <ScottK> We'll see if that works ...
[22:45] <Quintasan> There is one critical flaw with my plan
[22:45] <Quintasan> 30 hours from now it's going to be middle of morning
[22:45] <Quintasan> I might have to implement apachelogger's broken policy for tomorrow
[22:46] <ScottK> ;-)
[22:46] <Quintasan> ScottK: Considering we are in waaaaay different timezones that kind of implies not going to bed at all.
[22:47] <ScottK> Sleep is for the weak.
[22:47] <ScottK> We've discussed this before.
[22:47]  * apachelogger nods
[22:48]  * ahoneybun_ likes sleep too much
[22:48] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You like broke your policy ones, no nodding here :P
[22:48] <Quintasan> once even*
[22:50] <Quintasan> ScottK: I believe we did but one can't simply study 48 hours straight
[22:51] <ScottK> This is what caffeine and sugar are for.
[22:51]  * Quintasan looks around
[22:52] <Quintasan> There are 7 coffee mugs on the table
[22:52] <Quintasan> I have nothing to put coffee in ScottK, I think I can inject that directly into bloodstream then
[22:53]  * genii hears something about coffee, wanders in, then back out again
[22:54] <Quintasan> genii: Do you have a highlight on coffee?
[22:54] <genii> Quintasan: Yes :)
[22:55] <Quintasan> Wow
[22:55] <Quintasan> Almost like apachelogger who has highlights on
[22:55] <Quintasan> python
[22:55] <Quintasan> and beer
[22:55]  * genii contemplates adding beer to the highlight list
[22:55] <Quintasan> kubotu: order beer for genii
[22:55]  * kubotu gives genii a nice frosty mug of beer.
[22:56] <apachelogger> \o/ beer \o/
[22:56] <genii> Woo!
[23:17] <ahoneybun_> Hello all