[03:30] <bennis> hey, i installed firefox from the tar.gz file they give you, but i can't get flash (also from the tar.gz) to work... a lack of instruction in this regard i think. Anybody know a good tutorial for putting firefox/flash on ubuntu GNOME remix 12.10?
[03:34] <jbicha> bennis: Ubuntu GNOME comes with Firefox, please don't use a .tar.gz to install it
[03:34] <jbicha> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/ubuntu-help/net-install-flash.html
[03:36] <bennis> interesting, i don't see a firefox that comes with this... all i see is 'web'. which doesn't support flash according to several google searches... perhaps you are unclear as to what OS i'm running? ubuntu GNOME remix 12.10
[03:38] <jbicha> oh, 12.10 comes with Web, 13.04 comes with Firefox
[03:38] <bennis> yep, going to download 13.04 as soon as i've an opportunity
[03:39] <jbicha> 13.04 is a bit easier to use as it also comes with Ubuntu Software Center which is an easy way to install software
[03:39] <bennis> just doing this on a non-tech friend's machine, and he wants to watch youtube so i got firefox, downloaded the flash .so file, and dumped itt everywhere i found an so file in firefox's install directory :P
[03:39] <bennis> i've gotten used to apt-get
[03:39] <bennis> but i didn't want to funkify the repos
[03:41] <jbicha> sudo apt-get install firefox
[03:41] <jbicha> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[03:41] <bennis> yeah, still doesn't work on 12.10 :P
[03:42] <bennis> though it would if i added the conventional ubuntu 12.10 repo
[07:01] <mister2> hey, anybody know why flashplugin-installer isn't found in my current software sources on a live 13.04 session?
[14:00] <mister2> Hi all! I have a wee issue installing the flashplugin-installer found in the ubuntu software center in ubuntu GNOME remix 13.04. It's listed as not in my software sources. I checked the universe under software sources, but i didn't see any apt lines under that tab...
[14:01] <mister2> rather, the tab next to it where the apt lines should be, just don't recall what it was called
[14:02] <SonikkuAmerica> mister2: (We're not a remix anymore) Are you looking for the "Other Software" tab?
[14:04] <mister2> No, i don't think so.
[14:04] <SonikkuAmerica> mister2: It's in Canonical Partners I think.
[14:04] <SonikkuAmerica> mister2: The flashplugin-installer package anyway
[14:05] <mister2> hm, well i checked all except the experimental boxes on the software sources main thing, but under the Other Software tab (where the PPAs should be listed, right?) it's blank.
[14:05] <mister2> and it's listed in ubuntu software center, but apt doesn't see it at all
[14:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh dear.
[14:05] <mister2> OH, i'm on a live thing. is that a problem?
[14:05] <SonikkuAmerica> mister2: Live image? You'll need to manually enable it.
[14:05] <bjsnider> install the package adobe-flashplugin
[14:05] <mister2> lack of a hard drive adds issues
[14:05] <bjsnider> from partner
[14:06] <mister2> i'll look for it, but i haven't seen it, and i apt cache searched for adobe and flash with grep to filter...
[14:06] <mister2> sonikkuamerica how would i manual enable what now?
[14:06] <SonikkuAmerica> bjsnider: He doesn't have partner in the Live image software sources for some reason... I think that's what he means.
[14:07] <mister2> yeah, i have no ppas listed, i was going to ask on the #ubuntu channel for the default ppas cause google brings up SO MUCH random not useful but interesting things.
[14:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Tack these lines onto /etc/apt/sources.list (use gedit or nano with sudo): (a) deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu maverick partner (b) deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu maverick partner
[14:07] <SonikkuAmerica> mister2: Except replace "maverick" with "raring"
[14:08] <mister2> excellent, exactly what i was looking for
[14:08] <mister2> thanks :D
[14:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Then run [ sudo apt-get update ] and then install the Flash plugin.
[14:08] <bjsnider> why is flash an issue if you're using a livecd?
[14:08] <mister2> because it's a permanent live cd
[14:08] <mister2> no internal HDD
[14:08] <mister2> i feel like we talked about this last night on #ubuntu
[14:10] <bjsnider> i don't know who "we" is
[14:10] <SonikkuAmerica> Neither do I; I wasn't here last nite
[14:10] <bjsnider> i hope you have permanent uptime with this kind of setup otherwise you'll have to do all of this again
[14:10] <mister2> we would be bjsnider, and yes, i have persistence enabled
[14:11] <bjsnider> i'm not in the channel you mentioned
[14:11] <mister2> alright, i said i thought
[14:12] <bjsnider> you don't even have a flash drive for storage?
[14:12] <mister2> oh, no i'm using two usb drives, one for the OS one for personal files
[14:13] <bjsnider> well, that's permanent storage isn't it?
[14:13] <mister2> yes?
[14:13] <bjsnider> since you can download stuff you can just directly download the adobe-flashplugin deb: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/11.2.202.291-0raring1
[14:13] <mister2> did i say it wasnt?
[14:13] <mister2> meh, having a repo setup could be useful in future
[14:14] <mister2> it's not my computer, the person using it might need some sort of program and not be able to install it due to no repos
[14:16] <mister2> also is there a way to disable the fancy boot up graphics and just have the standard text output like the older linuxes used?
[14:16] <mister2> i'm just not sure where to look for the setting
[14:18] <SonikkuAmerica> mister2: In /etc/default/grub, put a stick of dynamite near anything that says "quiet splash", save it, and light the darned thing with [ sudo update-grub ]
[14:19] <mister2> awesome, thanks :D
[14:19] <bjsnider> strange request
[14:19] <SonikkuAmerica> The dynamite is that Backspace key on your keyboard of course :)
[14:19] <mister2> oh, i was thinking it was a #
[14:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Well you could comment the line out, but if there's any other command param listed there it also goes up in flames (it's not common to though)
[14:29] <SonikkuAmerica> Does the "install alongside" option still not work in the stable Live images? The bug mentioned on the site says it's for 13.04 Beta 2.
[14:30] <mister2> i've no idea, haven't tried to install anything myself.
[15:34] <jbicha_> SonikkuAmerica: as far as I know bug 1164592 is still unfixed
[15:35] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha_: Well looks like I'll be running a test of my own. Ubuntu GNOME is broken beyond repair and I also have a Fedora that doesn't work in another partition... I'mma try it tomorrow.
[15:36] <jbicha_> SonikkuAmerica: will you be trying Saucy or Raring, we definitely know that Raring is broken for that option
[15:37] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha_: I can try both if you want, I'll have time to grab and deploy both images
[15:37] <jbicha_> if it doesn't work, you can try if the advanced partioner works to resize
[15:37] <SonikkuAmerica> All right.
[15:38] <jbicha_> and if that still doesn't work, you can probably boot a Ubuntu live image and use gparted to set up the partitions the way you like (in case it's resizing that doesn't work)
[15:38] <jbicha_> and then try Ubuntu GNOME
[15:38] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha_: I might actually do the gparted resizing in Fedora, because it recognizes the ext4 partition there.
[15:39] <SonikkuAmerica> But first I have to fix Fedora.
[15:40] <SonikkuAmerica> I'll also try both via Grml Rescue System and dd'd media.
[18:32] <levela> hiho guys
[19:28] <aamer> hello room, Application menu in gnome classic: (I'm using compiz and cairo dock),  the gnome classic application menu has those two arrows (on top and bottom) that will show the rest of the menu items on mouse-over, i just want to increase the menu length. anyone?
[19:29] <SonikkuAmerica> aamer: Frankly, I've never seen that problem with the Apps menu.
[19:30] <aamer> SonikkuAmerica I'm seeing it in different ways each time i change the theme, should i send you a screenshot?
[19:33] <SonikkuAmerica> aamer: I guess, if you think it would help...
[19:39] <aamer> SonikkuAmerica can't take a screenshot  while the application menu is active!
[19:39] <SonikkuAmerica> O_o
[19:40] <SonikkuAmerica> You can't hit the PrintScreen button?
[19:42] <aamer> I mean when another window is in focus, i can take screenshots but  not when the menu is in focus, yes I can hit the PrintScreen button, but usually when I hit it i get a camera click effect and get the screenshot saved to the pictures directory, but when the menu is in focus nothing happens, and I tried to paste in GIMP but it said there's no image data in the clipboard.
[19:42] <aamer> SonikkuAmerica
[19:42] <SonikkuAmerica> Hmm. Let me check somethign.
[19:42] <SonikkuAmerica> *something
[19:44] <SonikkuAmerica> aamer: That's odd, I can't do the same thing either.
[19:44] <SonikkuAmerica> aamer: What's your screen res?
[19:44] <aamer> 1280*1024
[19:44] <aamer> SonikkuAmerica
[19:44] <SonikkuAmerica> OK that shouldn't be a problem then... I have a 1024x768 res...
[19:45] <aamer> SonikkuAmerica: running a vm?
[19:45] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm not
[19:45] <SonikkuAmerica> This is a frugal install.
[19:47] <aamer> well, linux is not just frugal it's also a really good OS
[19:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Linux isn't an OS; it's a kernel :) Ubuntu, Debian, openSUSE, Fedora, Red Hat - they're all really Linux
[19:48] <aamer> which ubuntu r u running?
[19:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Ubuntu GNOME 13.04
[19:48] <aamer> and fell back to gnome classic?
[19:48] <aamer> :D
[19:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Who, me? Not really; I keep GNOME Classic (shell extensions) for historical purposes but I usually use the shell
[19:49] <aamer> I wish i could enable the dash on gnome classic it's a lot better
[19:49] <SonikkuAmerica> It's still there...
[19:50] <aamer> yeah but i couldn't find a way to run it from gnome classic
[19:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Apps > Activities Overview or stick the mouse in the upper-left corner
[19:50] <SonikkuAmerica> aamer: Oh, wait... are you using 3.6?
[19:50] <aamer> only the shell, not the launcher
[19:51] <aamer> SonikkuAmerica: GNOME 3.4
[19:51] <SonikkuAmerica> aamer: Are you using 12.10?
[19:51] <aamer> SonikkuAmerica: 12.04 LTS
[19:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh wow. Then you still have Fallback mode. I have 3.8 from the PPA
[19:53] <aamer> SonikkuAmerica: yes I have that feature of sticking the mouse on the top-left corner, but not in gnome classic session, but in GNOME.
[19:53] <SonikkuAmerica> OK. I see where you're going. Are you having the problem you're having in Shell mode or Fallback mode then?
[19:54] <aamer> fall back
[19:54] <SonikkuAmerica> Ohhhh...
[19:54] <SonikkuAmerica> I don't really think we can help you then... meantime, try Ubuntu GNOME 13.04 with the GNOME 3 PPA added so that you have 3.8
[19:57] <aamer> I can update GNOME to 3.8 and still use 12.04 LTS can't I? however, I prefer the GNOME Classic it's a lot faster and I don't want any of the features provided in the new GNOME Shell, because I'm using 3rd. party apps to get the rest i.e. compiz, cairo-dock... SonikkuAmerica.
[19:59] <SonikkuAmerica> If you prefer GNOME Classic, maybe you should give the MATE desktop a try. http://mate-desktop.org/
[20:00] <SonikkuAmerica> The fact is, though, that fallback mode is dead to the GNOME people.
[20:01] <aamer> SonikkuAmerica: no lol I tried it last week and decided that I should never use mint again, i even deleted the iso, although i kept open-suse, ubuntu 12.04, 13.04 and more than 10 other distros...
[20:01] <aamer> SonikkuAmerica: take a look at this, and tell me what u think
[20:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Ubuntu with MATE != Linux Mint... lol
[20:02] <SonikkuAmerica> Other options might be Cinnamon or XFCE.
[20:02] <SonikkuAmerica> What's "this"?
[20:03] <aamer> SonikkuAmerica: i used LMDE, I tried Cinnamon and didn't like the menu, in LMDE I think things are messed up in the Synaptic Package Manager, I think ubuntu is a LOT better.
[20:04] <aamer> after all, ubuntu is built on Debian, so why do ppl say Debian edition is better?!
[20:04] <SonikkuAmerica> aamer: LMDE is closer to Debian though...
[20:04] <SonikkuAmerica> Debian isn't a commercial distro like Ubuntu is.
[20:04] <aamer> you're right...
[20:05] <SonikkuAmerica> And a lot of people think Ubuntu is trying to become the Microsoft Windows of Linux.
[20:05] <aamer> but for a newbie like me, or say a desktop user, I liked ubuntu
[20:05] <aamer> :)
[20:05] <aamer> I think ubuntu is closer to the Mac than to Windows
[20:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Linux itself is; both are UNIX-based
[20:06] <aamer> u know, not only the unity menu, but the simplicity, the elegance,
[20:06] <aamer> yep
[20:06] <aamer> that's one of the reasons why...
[20:06] <SonikkuAmerica> I can't say it's hard to get used to. I just tried Fedora for the heck of it and it's almost as easy as Ubuntu, but (a) it isn't as software-intensive and (b) it uses gnome-packagekit, which is every GNOME user's hell.
[20:06] <aamer> anyways
[20:07] <aamer> yesssssss that's why i didn't like it toooo!
[20:07] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[20:08] <aamer> u know what
[20:08] <aamer> i think open SUSE with KDE is something
[20:09] <aamer> that's closer to Windows, but better I think
[20:09] <SonikkuAmerica> I think we're getting a little !ot here though... let's try #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:09] <SonikkuAmerica> !ot
[20:22] <aamer> SonikkuAmerica: http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8697/screenshotfrom201306132.png
[20:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh that's right, you're using cairo-dock.
[20:24] <SonikkuAmerica> You might ask in there.
[20:24] <SonikkuAmerica> /join #cairo-dock
[20:25] <aamer> SonikkuAmerica thank you man
[21:38] <aamer> Application menu in gnome classic: (I'm using compiz and cairo dock),  the gnome classic application menu has those two arrows (on top and bottom) that will show the rest of the menu items on mouse-over, i just want to increase the menu length. anyone?