[00:32] How do I create a group called 'nobody' ;;; when I type sudo chown -hR root:nobody /pub ;;; Error chown: invalid group: 'root:nobody' [00:34] EDocToor: if you want the files to be readable only by root, then root:root would be a better choice [00:35] I am creating a : nobody for my samba to access one directory on my lan [00:35] can a group nobody be created [00:35] better would be to create a group with a more descriptive name :) who will use it? [00:36] as this tutorial assumes that I have knownledge [00:36] https://calomel.org/samba.html [00:37] is it addgroup? [00:38] "The windows machines are going to access samba shares as the "nobody" user." *sigh* [00:38] I'd find a better guide [00:38] LOL [00:39] hrm, I thought for sure I had a nice long description on stackoverflow of something horribly stupd on that page, but google isn't finding it for me. thanks goog. [00:39] I love stackoverflow [00:39] I am edoctoor there as well [00:40] I created a script for adding a bot to a channel [00:40] using windows [00:43] Ok, when I search pages I get a lot of samba4 info... do you have a better tutorial or are you going to tell me the stupid part to avoid [00:44] PLEASE... oops forgot to nod my head and ask politely [00:45] EDocToor: samba4 isn't yet in main, I'd suggest avoiding it for the time being. Obviously you're welcome to use it and file bugs :) but it probably won't be as reliable as samba3-based packages [00:45] EDocToor: I don't know a better guide, but feel free to run away from just about anything that ever suggests you to use the 'nobody' user or 'nobody' group for anything. they're almost certainly wrong. :) [00:45] Yes, I have read about the END LESS loop of errors that follows samba4 [00:46] EDocToor: you can probably create a new group for this use, 'windows' or 'shared' or something.. [00:46] and how would I do that Master [00:47] addgroup shared [00:47] EDocToor: I think that's fine.. [00:48] I typed addgroup --help and none of it makes any sense as I am not knownledgeable with the terms [00:48] Awesome.. [01:01] EDocToor: don't forget 'man addgroup' -- manpages often have examples and better descriptions of options... [01:15] sarnold, I am so glad that you mentioned that... I so forgot about the man manuals... thanks [01:16] EDocToor: man -k is also wonderful, it'll search the manpage names and short descriptions to find relevant manpages -- try man -k compression for a good example :) [01:21] YES... this is exactly the tools I need... and I forgot that it was there... now when someone says "RTFM" I will know where the manual is.. I was to embarrassed to ask after such a comment [01:26] awesome so -k is like an peek to the subtitles so that you have // I have an Idea if I am opening the right manual... awesome tip... === Overand_ is now known as Overand [02:59] Help: I wanted to create a backup root admin user called lets say 'cow' just incase I did something stupid like lock out my default root user.. I don't want to reinstall my whole server because I am learning passwd and chgpasswd commands... ::: That known; can anyone here assist me into creating a root level secondary user .. I have don't some reading.. but I almost locked myself out.. as described.. and would rather how to do it [02:59] ... then be here asking how to fix my admin mistakes [03:00] what I have done so far [03:01] adduser --system cow [03:01] adduser cow sudo [03:01] but when I reboot and login with cow [03:01] and give password [03:02] the screen flickers and returns to the LOGIN screen [03:02] could it be because cow doesn't have an non-admin login set [03:03] EDocToor: you told it to create a user with shell /bin/false when you used the --system option, so what you're describing is expected behaviour [03:03] EDocToor: if you type getent passwd cow as another user you should see the shell is /bin/false [03:03] bradm, arrrrrrrrrgh... [03:03] k [03:04] EDocToor: something like usermod -s /bin/bash cow should change its shell [03:04] Exactly [03:07] bradm, ok done.. now when I type 'getent passwd cow' it shows /home/cow:/bin/bash [03:08] can I reboot now and test? [03:08] EDocToor: great - you should be able to login now [03:09] Thanks.. I was afraid to do anything.. ;;; I really apreacate it ... and I have locked myself out before.. not kidding [03:09] have a great /day/night/afternoon [03:09] depending where you are [03:10] no worries, you too [03:13] OMG.. your awesome bradm ... that worked as expected..... [03:15] good to hear. [03:15] one more.. before I get back at it... say I am logged in as root user 'cat' can I set the 'passwd cow' ? [03:16] when you say root user, what do you mean? [03:16] its a user who can sudo? [03:16] has admin right [03:16] yes [03:16] sudo passwd cow [03:18] Time to go and play... thanks again everyone... [03:31] I have an 'unkown TCP' process run by root on nethogs. Should I be worried? [03:34] also nethogs seems to get like 15% of cpu usage === oleg is now known as Guest17482 [07:24] Hi [07:24] i want to setup ubuntu as a gateway and capture all traffics passing from my gateway and Log them all for on year [07:25] i need to log all URL in http and https and for other protocols just source and destination address [08:18] Hey guys what do I use if I want to use a password instead of a identityfile in my .ssh/config file? [08:18] I tried Password but doesnt work [08:55] Looking for multiple IP help [08:56] Hey [08:56] Won't lie, this channel is a bit dead [08:59] byprdct: You can't. Also, why would you do that? [09:01] byprdct: What are you trying to achieve ? [09:01] exnntech: multiple IP help? [09:02] Need Ubuntu server to have ip's 66.45.***.*** and 176.***.***.** [09:03] Any idea how? [09:05] exnntech: edit /etc/network/interfaces [09:05] if you need more info 'man interfaces' [09:06] Cheers, only used this for a week so bit of a noob [09:13] Still don't know what I'm doing :P [09:23] .. === huats_ is now known as huats [13:12] utlemming: we don't have any doc pages on vagrant do we? [13:12] like workflows, etc. === wedgwood_away is now known as wedgwood [14:14] hi [14:14] this is a good site of shoping [14:14] http://team-browser.com/ [14:14] card visa maser .... all [14:14] enjoy [14:14] i have buy iphone 5 [14:14] good by === ^rcaskey is now known as rcaskey [14:23] jamespage/yolanda: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/python-quantumclient/README-fix/+merge/169216 [14:53] smoser: Bug 1189571 has updated branches for Quantal and Raring. Validation on the updated branches is done. [14:53] Launchpad bug 1189571 in isc-dhcp "[SRU] "Unable to set up timer: out of range" caused by bad 64_bit timer" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1189571 [14:54] Does anyone has experienced strange unexplainable performance differences between Dell PowerEdge M420's ? === medberry is now known as med_ [15:18] utlemming, i'll take a look at that now. [15:18] one question for you, utlemming [15:18] have you done any work on that "*.json -> index.json" ? [15:18] (ie, for simpelstreams index.js merging stuff) [15:19] i'm interested in using it for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~smoser/maas/netinst2ss/changes === Jikan is now known as Jikai [15:20] smoser: yes, I have, incidently. I was just switching gears to get that done. I think I just need to integrate it. [15:20] roaksoax, rbasak ^ your feedback on that simplestreams stuff would be appreciated. [15:23] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5761763/ is what the streams file looks like. [15:23] that'd be mirrored (with the files) some where. [15:24] netinst2ss just scrapes archive data (checks signatures, downloads ... ) [15:24] rbasak, it is currently void of arm stuff [15:24] which is kind of why i'm asking your input [15:26] note, 'kernel-release' is there as 'base' meaning "precise if release is precise" [15:26] smoser: thoughts, as they come into my head [15:26] smoser: any plans on signature verification? [15:26] to differenciate it from quantal netboot kernel/intiramfs for installing precise (which is available, but I explicitly skip it at the moment) [15:27] rbasak, yes. obviously we'd add .sjson there also [15:27] its also missing 'size' on the items... [15:27] which is good ot have, but i have to http-stat all the urls to get it, and that just slows the process down [15:28] rbasak, i also dont know where i would get installer kernel/initramfs info for arm [15:29] found it. [15:29] [DIR] linaro-vexpress/ 23-Apr-2012 20:04 - [15:29] [DIR] omap/ 23-Apr-2012 20:04 - [15:29] bah [15:30] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/precise/main/installer-armel/current/images/ [15:30] so i'd have to also hit ports.ubuntu for arm stuff. [15:30] netinst2ss would need additional support for that. [15:31] smoser: sorry, I need to go afk for a bit. I'll get back to you. And about that other thing. Tomorrow I promise :) [15:31] smoser: looks good to me, and for my purposes i guess it is sort of enough infromation === Jikai is now known as Jikan === Jikan is now known as Jikai === Jikai is now known as Jikan [15:58] roaksoax, for your purposes, at the moment you can just basically know tha tofr a release, you're interested in 'base.generic.initrd' [15:58] at the moment. that name might change.. but once we're settled, it wont [16:00] smoser: ok cool. Yeah wont start working on it right away so I don [16:01] smoser: ok cool. Yeah wont start working on it right away so I don't need it right now :) [16:02] roaksoax, if you need want to play with it, you can just branch that, run it, and then point the sync at the 'out.d' that it creates. [16:02] ie, out.d as the reote source [16:02] smoser: ok cool, so I guess we will be consuming those scripts in maas-import-* [16:03] smoser: r will those files be available on the mirrors [16:04] the data in 'out.d' will be available on some irror [16:04] either maas.ubuntu.com or cloud-images.ubuntu.com or possibly cdiamge.ubuntu.com (or somethign to that affect) [16:05] smoser: ok cool [16:05] but largely that doesn't atter, you just will sync with *some remote source* that looks like that (where 'remote' can even be local filesystem) [16:05] the sstream-sync doesn't care if it is file:/// or http:/// [16:05] yeah [16:05] smoser: so these scripts will be packaged them and consumable [16:05] by maas-scripts* [16:06] sstream-sync is in raring, but not in a super great state.. [16:06] smoser: i see, cause initially I thought to manually access the json files in the mirrors from maas-improt-p* beucase that way we don't depend on any external tool not within maas [16:07] the wway i'd at leat like to pursue is that some program 'maas-import-ephemeral' invokes 'sstream-sync' (which then hooks to another progra (or possibly the first) to do the work). [16:08] if that isn't deeed suitalle (usage of sstream-sync) , then we could write a Mirror class like (GlanceMirror) in python and use it from maas [16:08] smoser: right, but TBH it makes no sense to keep maas-import-pxe-files and maas-import-ephemerals, and I was hoping to merge thouse together and in python [16:08] either case, maas will depend on simplestreams. [16:09] ok [16:09] look at the way tools/hook-check-downloads works. [16:10] you invoke 'hook-check-downloads', it invokes sstream-sync and tells sstream-sync (via cmdline flags) to call it back to operate on 'insert item' and such. [16:11] right === koolhead17 is now known as koolhead11 [17:01] hey, I just compiled a software using make and make install. It dumped some so files in /usr/local/lib/ and when I run the executable it can't find the files that are in the said directory. I added a .conf file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ which points to that folder. Do I have to run a script or something so that it updates? [17:03] I have to run ldconfig [17:03] thanks [17:41] I am installing 12.04 server - xubuntu ISO is able to detect network drivers, while ubuntu-server ISO does not. Can I install server with networking using additional tools? [17:42] able to detect network drivers? [17:42] are you using 12.04? 12.04.1 or 12.04.2? [17:45] patdk-lap: 12.04.2 [17:46] I meant detect network hardware [17:46] well, that should have it, maybe try 12.04.1? [17:48] xubuntu was 12.04 - will try server 12.04 instead of 12.04.2 [18:03] is it just me or does ubuntu server's oem-config package do really need all of those dependencies on a text-only server? [18:04] http://pastebin.com/Vb1gr4cQ [18:05] that pastebin for refrence if somebody is interested [18:05] Hello :) [18:06] lHaving some problems with an install of Ubuntu-server 12 :( Process goes through the entire process but fails when it tries to install the GRUB boot-loader. Its a 6x Disk system and, due to how its listing the disks I've installed Ubuntu onto /dev/sde, Grub by default goes to /dev/sda and fails [18:07] If I force it to /dev/sde, when the system reboots I.. just got a blinking underscore (no GRUB loader) [18:08] Im kind of stumped as to what I should do. I would ahve figured installing gRUB on the MBR of /dev/sde should work but... [18:09] Slyboots: does your BIOS need to know which drive to boot as well? [18:10] Im nmot sure.. its a HP Microserver so its bios is a bit.... odd [18:13] Mm, hold on, it is something that simple.. [18:14] DOh, yea that was it :P [18:14] wrong disk set to firstboot in bios [18:15] yay :) [18:16] Uh.. maybe not [18:16] "/boot is not available or mount failed" [18:16] lol.. [18:18] Slyboots: yay :) that's a forward step. [18:18] Slyboots: did you put your /boot into a raid5 or raid6 or something? grub is particular about what it can read. [18:19] no only 1 disk contains the OS, its a very basic flat /dev/sde1 is boot in ext4 and /dev/sde2 is / [18:19] lathough oddly the system still booted OK [18:19] Just told it to skip tryingto mount /boot and after afew seconds I was at the login screen [18:23] o_O [18:23] Hm.. how do you get the UUID for a disk, maybe fstab id wrongt [18:23] .. somehow [18:25] Slyboots: run blkid (as root; I understand it can return stale results if run as non-root) [18:25] Yea.. fstab was wrong [18:25] Thats pretty weird.. [18:26] Slyboots: the /dev/sd[abcde] order can change based on .. well, presumably adding / removing drives or controllers, maybe other situations [18:26] Slyboots: perhaps it was correct at one point and is now wrong. [18:26] This is its first boot ^_^ [18:26] haha [18:26] /dev/disk/by-*/ symlinks are nice [18:26] But just updated the UUID entry to the correct value and.. its good [18:27] sarnold, I thought that wa the point of UUID's that they should never change [18:27] Slyboots: indeed, uuids shouldn't. [18:27] I guess the installer got a bit chewed up somehow === robawt is now known as drinksailorjerry [18:28] (my pal who complained about the stale values was complaining about it -after- formatting the drives with a new filesystem) === drinksailorjerry is now known as robawt [18:28] Mmm [18:28] Right, so.. [18:28] Do I use btrfs.. [18:28] or ZFS [18:31] Shoot tahts right.. cant use btrfs -.- === phunyguy_ is now known as phunyguy [18:50] Hello everyone; I have a brand new server and wonder if https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaServerGuide is the guide that applies to configuring samba on Ubuntu Server... I ask this question as I don't know if this guide only applies to the GUI Ubuntu... or... maybe you could reply with a link to configure Samba (the samba that was installed during the install) [19:07] EDocToor: ubuntu server doesn't come with gui === koolhead11|away is now known as koolhead17 [19:08] EDocToor: is this a single server, or do you have something like ldap or active directory around for authentication? [19:10] Is there not a easy way to repeat a command several times in succession but change the values each time [19:11] For exampe, in this case, I need to run the command "zfs create tank/$VALUE" where value changes each time [19:11] RoyK, I understand that Ubuntu Server is Command line.. .. I am looking for a beginner tutorial to configure samba on a server so that my XP and other UBuntu can share files [19:11] So do you ahve to just keep retyping and retyping.. [19:11] This comes up ALL the fecking time x.x [19:12] Slyboots, do you mean... UP ARROW [19:12] EDocToor, No I do not mean up-arrow [19:12] or perhaps "for i in 1 2 3 4; do asdf $i ; done" [19:12] by bad [19:12] It would be preferable if I coudl so something like "zfs create tank/$value1,$value2.." [19:12] Slyboots: pretty basic scripting [19:13] Slyboots: why are you creating several pools? [19:13] or was that filesystems? [19:13] "datasets" [19:13] its a ZFS filesystem, different datasets for differnet datasets [19:13] :D [19:13] for i in data rubbish porn private; do zfs create tank/$i ; done [19:13] lol [19:13] are you watching my console? :P [19:13] :D [19:14] hehe [19:14] RoyK, Ah neat thats handier [19:15] Slyboots: using zfsonlinux or zfs fuse? [19:15] zfsonlinux [19:15] ok [19:15] ITs a little funky, their package doesnt bother checking if you have the kernel-headers installed :P [19:15] So it was broken when I installed it heh [19:15] considering it myself after some bad data happens to come from a drive and I can't sort out which drive's bad... [19:16] chose md because of flexibility, but seems that's overstated [19:16] Yea I couldnt be bothered building a mdadm array and waiting forever till it builds [19:16] I've used it in Nas4free and the like and its quite nice, although i dont use things like Dedup [19:16] I don't care about build time, but I do care about data quality [19:16] Too memory hungry [19:17] zfs dedup is rather hungry, yes [19:17] * RoyK has worked with zfs on open{indiana|solaris} for some years with half a peta of storage [19:18] * Slyboots nods "I was curuis to try brtfs but it doesnt have RAID5/6 style support yet, so it was a no-go [19:18] it does now [19:18] jcastro: orly? [19:19] it does [19:19] jcastro: just a few months back it was still only mirror capable [19:19] yeah, I haven't tried a live migration yet [19:19] mm [19:19] yep, it landed last major kernel release I think? let me look it up [19:19] but it doesn't assemble disks autoamtically on boot [19:19] which somewhat takes the fun away [19:19] jcastro: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Can_I_use_RAID.5B56.5D_on_my_Btrfs_filesystem.3F [19:19] yeah, linux 3.9 [19:19] Slyboots: maybe also this would work: zfs create tank/{foo,bar,baz} -- the shell does some expansions like that in handy ways [19:19] jcastro: 'The first drop of the code, in experimental form, is in the 3.9 kernel.' [19:19] jcastro: I don't like the sound of that :> [19:19] sarnold, I'll give it a little try [19:20] jcastro: goes on to say 'This is currently only suitable for testing, as it is known to not be crash-safe, and many important (or even vital) features are missing.' [19:20] I tried it - wasn't too stable [19:20] lifeless: nor me, which is why I'm sitting on my RAID1 mirrors still, though I might snag another HP Microserver to play with it [19:20] sarnold, hehyy, that works doo! [19:20] Thats even handier :) [19:21] jcastro: gotta love the microservers. [19:21] lifeless: "I solved my RAID4/6 problem by using 2 servers and Ceph instead with disks way bigger than I intended." [19:21] I mean Raid5/6 of course [19:21] Slyboots: and sometimes, after you've run a command, you can use ^foo^bar to make a change: try this, ls -l /etc -- then ^etc^var [19:22] ... [19:22] *mind* *blown* [19:22] * Slyboots scribbles this stuff down [19:23] Hrm.. wait that cant be right [19:23] 5.28TB available with 6x 2TB disks? [19:24] yes, difference between TB and TiB [19:24] 1TB ~= .9TiB [19:24] linux reports TiB, like most platforms [19:24] try du -H [19:24] erm [19:24] df -H [19:24] How does 5 2TB disks only equal 5.28 o.O [19:25] Tahts nearly half the storage missing o.O [19:25] Slyboots: reported from zpool status? [19:25] by zfs list [19:25] pastebin zpool status [19:25] and zfs list [19:25] I see the problem.. I made a Raidz2 array [19:25] Only supposed to be raidz :P [19:25] (2x parity, instead of 1) [19:25] raidz2 is good (tm) [19:26] since sector errors usually are observed during rebuild [19:26] Meh, not fo rmy use. I keep backups of everything and theres nothing "critical" [19:26] so better add another driev or two [19:26] ok [19:26] go on :) [19:26] hehe, the machines already full to the gills with disks :P [19:27] small sas 92xx controller, external sas expander, lots of drives => lots of storage [19:28] haha, its a little HP Microserver for my media collection :) [19:28] I've already had to hijack the eSATA port so I had a disk to install the OS ^_^ [19:28] I just keep mt TV/Movies.. some backups.. photos.. and anything thats not easly replaced I keep backed up to a external SATA disks [19:29] But RAIDz2 would be nice.. but Im not sure I Can justfiy the sizable drop in space [19:30] zfs can handle some bad sectors without kicking the drive out [19:30] but keep in mind to enable ERC if it's supported [19:30] or increase drive timeout [19:31] Hmm [19:31] Well theses are WD "Red NAS" disks [19:31] WD Red supports ERC [19:31] Slyboots: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5762473/ [19:31] this is rather failproof [19:32] cool :) [19:32] put that in /etc/rc.local [19:32] perhaps I should have crafted one that parses /proc/partitions [19:32] but then - you might want deep recovery for a single root drive [19:33] Hm? [19:33] deep recovery is the mode of most desktop drives [19:33] it can spend up to two minutes trying to recover a single sector [19:33] doesn't work well in a raid setup [19:33] the raid will kick out the drive rather early [19:33] Yea by that time it'll assume the disk is dead and drop it [19:34] turning on ERC makes the drive return errors instead of timing out, which is fine in a raid setup, since it's got redundancy [19:34] Good tip, thanks :) [19:35] Oooh.. SATA port multipliers arnt cheap [19:35] and they somewhat suck [19:35] better get a good sas controller [19:35] doesn't cost a lot more, and delivers far more bandwidth [19:35] heh, 2TB SAS disks would be nice but that .. quire require a lot more money, and pretty much a new setup [19:36] the 1068-based controllers from LSI are rather cheap on ebay atm, but they don't support drives >2TiB [19:36] you can connect SATA drives to a SAS controller, no problem [19:36] just not the other way around [19:36] Holy crap LOL [19:36] £435 for a 2TB SAS? :P [19:37] Pass :P [19:37] did you read what I just wrote above? [19:37] Oh right, hm intresting [19:39] that price seems a bit high - in Norway, things usually cost a bit more, and I find this drive at NOK 1699 - http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=646289 - GBP 187 [19:39] that's with 25% VAT [19:39] so perhaps you were checking the wrong site? [19:39] I just happened to look at eBuyer [19:40] GBP 150+vat [19:40] not a lot more, and supports full duplex and better error handling [19:40] thats quite a bit cheaper, but yea.. would be overkill for my needs :D [19:40] and better timing [19:40] and ... [19:40] still, you can attach SATA stuff to a SAS controller [19:41] via a SAS expander or direct attach [19:42] Its certinally something to keep in mind, so would install a SAS card and attach a SAS expander [19:42] then just plug the disks int ito? [19:43] yes [19:43] or just attach the drives to the sas interface [19:43] sas emulates sata [19:43] no need for an expander [19:43] the expander is just there if you need more drives attached to that controller [19:44] yea the SAS cards seem quite cheap actually on ebay [19:45] Like IBM ones etc for £20 [19:45] for.. *whistle* 8 more drive ports :D just need a caddy to contain the disks heh [19:46] Oh thats actually intresting :) my Microserver uses SAS already [19:46] (SAS cable to a SATA .. "rank" [19:46] *rack [19:46] mhm - some 8087 plug [19:46] or 8086 - don't remember [19:47] external plug is the infiniband plug [19:47] Aye, just need a half-hight card (Dont think this thing is big enough for a full sized) [19:47] they are mostly half-height, those I've seen [19:47] meaning, they come with a second bracket [19:47] Its certinally a tempting idea, I hadnt considered this before [19:48] You dont know of any cheap ish sort of.. hodler, that you coudl put the disks into (cause, disks still need power) [19:48] card comes with an 8087 plug (iirc) and you need a splitter to split those 4 sata buses into separate cables [19:49] AYe I've seen a few of the auctions on ebay with the SATA splitter. The only trick is still power though [19:49] there are some 4-drives-in-3-5,25"-bay shelves around [19:49] takes four sata connectors and some power and offers hotplug capabilities (given the OS driver supports it) [19:49] hehe, do they have actual names? [19:50] You mean like hot-swap bays? [19:50] yes [19:50] but external or internal? [19:51] Well Im thinking if I installed a SAS card and jacked in.. another 4 disks lets say. It would be nice to just have a container to hold the disks and provide power to em [19:51] try ebay or something [19:51] there are several [19:51] Aye Im just trying to figure out the name for searching [19:52] Ah heres something, 5-bay enclosure [19:53] about £50ish odd quid.. [19:53] url? [19:53] expencive for what it is but still in the "Tempting" side of things [19:53] http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0&_nkw=sata+hot-swap&_sacat=0&_from=R40 [19:54] Seem to be SATA / eSATA enclosures with power to the disks [19:54] this one? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SONNET-ENC-SATA-DT4-B-Fusion-400-External-Hot-Swap-4-port-Sata-Hard-drive-cage-/300916636732?pt=UK_Collectables_HardDriveEnclosures_RL&hash=item4610077c3c [19:54] Yea I mean they are about that price [19:54] I think thats the sort of thing I would want/need [19:55] Just plug that in, wire up the drives to the SAS card.. Lots-a-storage [19:55] probably better if you find a chassis that takes an 8087 in the arse [19:56] haha, yea that might be better but Im just thinking from "This is the sort of thing I should be looking at" ratther than that specific model [19:58] Ahh Backplane, think thats the right name for em [19:58] backplane is just a switchboard [19:59] Its a very tempting idea, maybe when payday comes around and my pet is no longer dying from metal poisoning I can think about it :P [19:59] hehe [20:00] I would be badly tempted to wipe the backup disks and just intergrate them all into the array in a big raid2z or whatever array [20:01] .. all that storrage lol [20:01] I dont know what I would do with it :P [20:02] * RoyK is more than slightly tempted to replace md with zfs after seeing silent errors only detected by ext4's metadata checksumming [20:02] Aye I've notcied a few of my videos taht I've known where good copies have tiny ammouts of corruption [20:02] Wa quite shocking, espically as even a little on video is super noticable [20:03] did you see that zfs presentation? [20:04] http://wiki.illumos.org/download/attachments/1146951/zfs_last.pdf [20:04] only problem with zfs is that you have to give away flexibility for safety [20:05] aye you cant "grow" an array [20:05] That is kidna fustrating [20:05] you can add more VDEVs as in single drives or raidz? or something, but not extend a VDEV [20:06] or you can replace every drive with a larger one [20:06]