[01:20] <RobbyF> how do i run ubuntu touch on desktop
[01:20] <RobbyF> like vm
[01:34] <syntroPi>  is there any tablet with stylus around which is supported by ubuntu with normal desktop ui like unity and gnome shell?
[01:38] <mhall119> RobbyF: you can run the shell in a window on your desktop
[01:39] <RobbyF> where would i look for such ppa's
[01:40] <mhall119> RobbyF: http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unitynext/ will get you set up
[01:40] <RobbyF> :)
[01:40] <RobbyF> spoon fed is the best sometimes! thanks
[02:09] <sergiusens> bfiller: the contacts thing might have been an issue with mine only... thought I'd mention in case it happened to others
[04:15] <inspireonly> hi
[04:15] <inspireonly> hello!
[04:15] <inspireonly> who online now.
[04:15] <inspireonly> help me pls
[04:17] <mhall119> inspireonly: state your problem or question, and if somebody can help you they'll answer
[04:18] <inspireonly> i install ubuntu phone on nexus 4
[04:18] <inspireonly> i can't find app stor
[04:18] <compuspital> hello all.
[04:18] <inspireonly> hi
[04:18] <mhall119> there is no app store on Touch just yet, but it will be built into the dash once it's ready
[04:19] <inspireonly> okey thk so much
[04:19] <compuspital> I cannot get grouper saucy images to boot they boot to a black screen
[04:22] <inspireonly> how to dev ubuntu phone on my nexus
[04:22] <mhall119> compuspital: did you read the announcement email?  The graphics stack for nexus 7 (grouper) is currently broken in the saucy images
[04:23] <mhall119> inspireonly: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/
[04:23] <mhall119> that will get you started
[04:23] <compuspital> I didnt seethat I feel like a big duh... :)
[04:23] <inspireonly> mhall119 : thk u
[04:24] <compuspital> thank you mhall119
[04:29] <compuspital> where can I find the announcement e-mail?
[04:31] <dejello> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg02321.html
[04:34] <compuspital> thanks dejello
[04:35] <dejello> np :)
[04:41] <compuspital> will we be using mir in the saucy releases?
[04:50] <slangasek> Ubuntu Touch 13.10 will release with Mir, yes
[05:22] <slangasek> ogra_: so, with the flipped image on grouper I'm seeing a reboot loop because init is dying.  Does this match what you're seeing?  I know you said something about needing to fix a script, but I don't see which script needs fixing... considering it does succeed in mounting the UDA partition before it panics
[06:11] <dholbach> good morning
[07:47] <jaywink> dailies don't destroy apps any more? just flashed latest and all installed apps still there. failed flash or feature? :)
[07:52] <jaywink> hmm installed daily was saucy-8 but lsb-release says raring - so failed flash I guess
[09:08] <FunkyPenguin> when removing smaple content as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Sample_content it still leaves calendar items and the annoying tweet thing on the lock screen
[09:08] <FunkyPenguin> how does one remove those?
[09:19] <giallu> hi. I'm looking for some help for some QML code I'm writing with the SDK. Not sure this is the right place.
[09:19] <giallu> BTW, I need to show a message to the user that comes from a serial port.
[09:19] <jaywink> FunkyPenguin, just managed to update to latest saucy daily (phablet-flash -b) - the tweet thingy is now replaced by some other counters :)
[09:20] <giallu> the serial port code works, now I thought about using a popover to show it
[09:20] <FunkyPenguin> jaywink: ooh, thanks for that i'll flash now
[09:20] <jaywink> calendar dummies are still there though
[09:21] <giallu> but it seems I am not able to change the text in the label
[09:29] <kalikiana> giallu, is there an error message? it'd help if you mention the line/ pastebin if it's more
[09:39] <seb128> mardy, hey
[09:41] <seb128> mardy, I've a plugin icon to use for the system-settings about plugin ... where would you recommend to install it? I tried to install it in the plugin directory and using icon: "icon.svg" in the .settings but that doesn't work
[09:41] <seb128> mardy, should I rather install it to /usr/share/pixmaps and use an absolute path in the .settings?
[09:47] <giallu> kalikiana, http://pastebin.com//wQC5RDu6 is a minimal example I am working on. basically, I would like to change the text of the popover there before showing it
[09:47] <giallu> in myreal app, the text comes from a signal on a C++ based object
[09:53] <kalikiana> giallu, you'd do something like "message.text = 'newtext'" before the PopupUtils.open
[09:55] <giallu> kalikiana, tried it first. no change to the text apparently
[09:55] <giallu> no error message either
[09:56] <giallu> correction
[09:56] <giallu> REferenceError: message is not definded
[09:58] <netcurli> because you are using a Component
[09:59] <netcurli> you cannot access the message element from outside
[10:02] <giallu> netcurli, yeah. but if I remove the component what I get is: Popuputils.open()" Popover_QMLTYPE_3(0x26133320) is not a component or a link
[10:03] <giallu> I'm sure I'm missing something obvious :)
[10:04] <netcurli> you could define a property on the component or the item above it and then bind to that in the label
[10:08] <giallu> netcurli, tried as well :) but "Component objects cannot declare new properties"
[10:08] <giallu> maybe it's just the wrong approach
[10:08] <netcurli> mh, but on the element above the Component it should work
[10:09] <giallu> in the Item is says "Invalid alias reference: Unable to find id "message"
[10:10] <netcurli> no alias
[10:10] <giallu> I added "propery alias text
[10:10] <giallu> ah
[10:10] <giallu> let's see
[10:11] <Nasaris> one question will ubuntu eventually when stable run on any android device? (tablet or phone)
[10:15] <ogra_> Nasaris, well, we only support nexus devices out of the box ... support for other devices depends on the community porters
[10:17] <Nasaris> thank you for you reply
[10:17] <giallu> netcurli, nailed. Thanks a bunch!
[10:17] <giallu> now let's see if I can integrate it in the real app
[10:18] <netcurli> you're welcome
[10:28] <cjwatson> didrocks: do you know why julius-voxforge is still showing up for movement to restricted in component-mismatches?  a few days ago that was fixed-but-stuck-due-to-landing-bug, but I thought that would be fixed by now ...
[10:29] <didrocks> cjwatson: not a landing bug
[10:30] <didrocks> cjwatson: because on monday, the HUD had tests failing, then since tuesday the HUD Failed to Build, ted is on it
[10:30] <didrocks> sil2100 is tracking it
[10:30] <sil2100> Yes
[10:31] <sil2100> cjwatson: there is an unit test in HUD that fails to pass - and besides that there are also strange regressions that ted is trying to track down
[10:31] <sil2100> I wonder if we could assign more people to that until those bugs are fixed...
[10:31] <sil2100> Since Ted might not be enough
[10:39] <mardy> seb128: I don't know much about icons myself; if it's going to be used by your plugin only, maybe using an absolute path is fine
[10:39] <seb128> mardy, ok, I will do that for now, the design guys said they will add the icons to the theme later, then we can drop the path, thanks
[10:39] <mardy> seb128: about your change on the category title: it will be very hard to localize that, I'm afraid
[10:40] <mardy> seb128: I'll come up with another different approach, if you don't mind
[10:40] <seb128> mardy, oh, that's a good point ... should we just change the category names
[10:41] <seb128> mardy, sure, I was going to suggest just added an extra variable
[10:41] <seb128> like
[10:41] <seb128>                 CategoryGrid {
[10:41] <seb128>                     category: "personal"
[10:41] <seb128>                      categoryname: "Personal"
[10:41] <seb128> ups
[10:42] <seb128>                      categoryname: i18n.tr("Personal")
[10:42] <seb128> }
[10:42] <seb128> mardy, I can do that if you want ... or do you have a better idea?
[10:43] <mardy> seb128: it was basically that, except that I was thinking of creating a ListModel and using a Repeater having the CategoryGrid as delegate
[10:43] <seb128> mardy, that would work, seems not required for 3 categories only ... but your call ;-)
[10:44] <mardy> seb128: no strong opinion either, so feel free to go on with your suggestion
[10:45] <seb128> mardy, will do
[10:45] <seb128> mardy, thanks!
[10:45] <mardy> seb128: just please call the property "categoryName" (mind the camelCase :-) )
[10:45] <seb128> mardy, please reject the current one meanwhile
[10:45] <seb128> k ;-)
[11:17] <krabador> ok, people , i'm sorry, now it's time tu supporto RIL on different devices.. Community developers can't continue the job if ubuntu touch developers don't help them for this
[11:18] <krabador> without a good community reputation, it would be hard.
[11:23] <kalikiana> krabador, new devices are added as time goes by, what's your problem exactly? a specific model?
[11:23] <krabador> kalikiana, almost all the ported devices, haven't ril working
[11:24]  * ogra_ hasnt seen many ril related requests from community devs on the mailing list 
[11:25] <ogra_> iirc there was exactly one related thread
[11:27] <krabador> ogra_, the ported device in the wiki have almost all the cellular radio on Work In Progress
[11:27] <mhr3> bzoltan, ping?
[11:28] <bzoltan> mhr3: hello Michal
[11:28] <mhr3> bzoltan, about .desktop files for touch apps, could we change them to use something else than X-Ubuntu-Touch=true?
[11:28] <bzoltan> mhr3: that is how it suppose to be, yes
[11:29] <bzoltan> Sorry... you want something else. Why?
[11:29] <mhr3> bzoltan, cause non-standard fields are not cached by existing .desktop file parsing libs
[11:29] <mhr3> if we used for example special Category, that would fix it
[11:30] <bzoltan> mhr3: I see
[11:30] <bzoltan> mhr3:  does it cause any problem?
[11:30] <ogra_> krabador, so its up to the devs to collect info about that and then contact us i'd say
[11:31] <ogra_> either by filing bugs ot by writing to the ML
[11:31] <bzoltan> mhr3: since this field is relevant on phablet only ...
[11:32] <mhr3> bzoltan, it's not a problem per se, but makes things slower than they could be
[11:32] <krabador> ogra_, many of them have almost discontinued the work, for reason like RIL
[11:32] <mhr3> bzoltan, https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesh/unity-lens-applications/libunity7-phablet/+merge/169116/comments/375912
[11:32] <ogra_> krabador, well, but that cant be the ubuntu touch team's problem
[11:32] <ogra_> we are happy to help if someone asks
[11:33] <krabador> ogra_, i9100 developer are really waiting for RIL news
[11:33] <ogra_> krabador, after all we usually dont even have the devices, how should fe fix a device specific breakage in that case
[11:33] <bzoltan> mhr3: OK, I understand ... we should find the right chap to convince (it is not me), maybe greyback or saviq
[11:34] <ogra_> waiting ? why are they waiting and not telling anyone
[11:34] <krabador> ogra_, yes, i perfectly understand
[11:34] <Saviq> bzoltan, no need to convince me :)
[11:34] <mhr3> bzoltan, heh, Saviq sent me to you :)
[11:34] <bzoltan> mhr3:  LOL
[11:34]  * ogra_ wasnt aware they are waiting
[11:34] <Saviq> bzoltan, I don't care about the solution, only that we need to make sure that apps explicitly support a form factor
[11:35] <Saviq> bzoltan, so I agree X-Ubuntu-Touch is bad (especially since it's custom)
[11:35] <krabador> ogra_, haven't you never look the xda official topic of i9100 porting ?
[11:35] <bzoltan> Saviq: All I care about is that I know what to change in the app templates and in the core apps
[11:35] <Saviq> bzoltan, but OnlyShowIn is not a solution, either ('cause it implicitly allows all form factors)
[11:35] <Saviq> bzoltan, ;)
[11:35] <bzoltan> Saviq: so who is the one to make a decision?
[11:35] <ogra_> krabador, if i would have the time for that i'd do ... but i'm like working 16-18h on the touch stuff currently ... i *do* monitor the ML and i *do* read bugs though
[11:36] <Saviq> bzoltan, someone closer to desktop, I'd say
[11:36] <krabador> yes
[11:36] <ogra_> krabador, and i guess thats true for most of the other touch devs
[11:36] <Saviq> bzoltan, but have no idea who...
[11:36] <bzoltan> Saviq: OK, leave it for me
[11:36] <Saviq> bzoltan, you're the most app-centric person for phone as far as I'm concerned, so :)
[11:36] <bzoltan> mhr3, Saviq: I will find the person and the solution
[11:36] <Saviq> bzoltan, tvoss might want a say, too <ducks>
[11:39] <tvoss> Saviq, bzoltan help me understand the requirements and the question please
[11:39] <Saviq> tvoss, how do we mark apps to be $form-factor-capable
[11:39] <bzoltan>  tvoss:  we want to set the target form factor ion the desktop file of the apps
[11:40] <Saviq> tvoss, for now we used X-Ubuntu-Touch=true in the desktop file, but that's not flexible enough
[11:40] <mhr3> tvoss, .desktop files for touch apps use special X-Ubuntu-Touch=true field, would be nice to use something more standard
[11:40] <tvoss> bzoltan, that sounds like a bad idea ...
[11:40] <tvoss> Saviq, +1. bzoltan mhr3 we want to be able to communicate the form-factor to the app, right?
[11:40] <Saviq> tvoss, both ways
[11:40] <tvoss> bzoltan, mhr3 not vice versa
[11:40] <Saviq> tvoss, we need to only show phone-capable apps in the launcher
[11:40] <Saviq> tvoss, in the dash
[11:40] <Saviq> tvoss, in the app store
[11:41] <tvoss> Saviq, hmmm ...
[11:41] <bzoltan> tvoss: app developers should be able to say that this app is only for desktop or only for phone
[11:42] <tvoss> Saviq, so this sounds like a manifest entry to me, we need to know ahead of installation if an app is phone-capable etc
[11:42] <Saviq> tvoss, sure, but then manifest gets translated to a .desktop file, no?
[11:42] <Saviq> tvoss, and we need to support both click and non-click packages for this
[11:42] <tvoss> Saviq, some entries end up in the .desktop file, yes
[11:43] <Saviq> tvoss, so yeah, I agree that this belongs to the manifest, if there is one
[11:43] <Saviq> tvoss, but if there isn't - we still need it
[11:44] <tvoss> Saviq, any idea how certain package properties are extracted for software center usage right now?
[11:45] <mhr3> ultimately the question is, can we move away from X-Ubuntu-Touch=true; to Category=Audio;X-Ubuntu-Touch ?
[11:47] <krabador> ogra_, ok, i'm not a the porting mantainer for the i9100 porting, but where can i send officially an ask of help to implement RIL to you developers?
[11:47] <ogra_> ask someone who can collect logs and roughly knows what he is doing to either mail the list or file a bug against ofono
[11:47] <mhr3> tvoss, SC gets most of the data from the .desktop files too
[11:47] <Saviq> tvoss, I'd have to guess, but .desktop files get introspected, yeah
[11:48] <Saviq> tvoss, same for the apps scope
[11:48] <ogra_> krabador, the first step is to collect debug info ... and get that to the ofono devs
[11:49] <tvoss> Saviq, okay,  we have the desktop file entry, and mhr3's proposal as a category makes sense
[11:49] <Saviq> tvoss, yeah, sounds good to me
[11:49] <tvoss> Saviq, then we would need to wire that up to the manifest
[11:49] <Saviq> tvoss, yup
[11:49] <tvoss> bzoltan, can you take the action to follow up with cjwatson?
[11:51] <tvoss> Saviq, however, we still need a way to tell an app the form-factor it is running upon
[11:51] <mhr3> a clear decision about a tiny technical issue in less than 30minutes... we're getting somewhere :)
[11:51] <cjwatson> tvoss,bzoltan: Not me, I think James Tait is dealing with the general metadata
[11:51] <tvoss> cjwatson, cool, thx for the hint
[11:51] <cjwatson> The bits I own are just those that the package manager itself needs
[11:51] <tvoss> cjwatson, okay
[11:52] <cjwatson> (the low-level PM I mean)
[11:55] <tvoss> mhr3, who is responsible for the software center/dash integration?
[11:56] <mhr3> tvoss, you mean app scope? we are
[11:57] <mhr3> tvoss, if you mean moving software-center inside the dash somehow, i have no idea
[11:57] <tvoss> mhr3, I'm thinking about the software center
[11:57] <tvoss> mhr3, I will find out
[11:57] <Saviq> tvoss, we already do, don't we? it's there in the platform api
[11:57] <mhr3> tvoss, thx
[11:58] <Saviq> tvoss, but yeah, it needs to be there, and it needs to be per-display
[11:59] <tvoss> Saviq, yup, we have the form-factor hint ... I remember :)
[12:01] <sergiusens> tvoss: we don't anymore in ubuntu session
[12:03] <tvoss> sergiusens, it should be a command-line argument that can be passed to apps
[12:05] <asac> bzoltan1: can u repost the branch and the commands
[12:05] <asac> i lost them :)
[12:06] <penk> tmoenicke: ping
[12:06] <asac> bzoltan1: found it
[12:08] <asac> bzoltan1: i will use the term "image-reqs-sdk-team" for this suite. can you confirm that its all about checking requirements?
[12:11] <asac> bzoltan1: rock on!!!
[12:11] <asac> very neat and lean :)
[12:13] <sergiusens> tvoss: better
[12:16] <Laney> Cimi: hey, Kaleo tells me that you've looked at swapping images in an UbuntuShape - did any code come from that?
[12:27] <rsalveti> sergiusens: did you spend any time looking at the android/ubuntu groups clean up work?
[12:27] <rsalveti> that might be useful to fix soon as well
[12:28] <sergiusens> rsalveti: no, we should talk about that
[12:28] <rsalveti> yeah
[12:28] <sergiusens> rsalveti: was that last week?
[12:28] <sergiusens> time flies it seems
[12:28] <rsalveti> sergiusens: haha, yeah
[12:28] <rsalveti> sergiusens: bug 1187750
[12:34] <tarelerulz> Does Touch support LTE ?
[12:35] <JamesTait> tvoss, o/
[12:36] <rsalveti> tarelerulz: not yet
[12:36] <ogra_> tarelerulz, only 3G atm
[12:36] <tvoss> JamesTait, o/
[12:36] <tvoss> mhr3, so what do we need in the manifest?
[12:36] <tvoss> mhr3, pretty much a key that translates to the desktop file entry, right?
[12:36] <mhr3> tvoss, yep, that's all
[12:37] <JamesTait> tvoss, mhr3, are you guys working with alecu and gatox?
[12:37] <JamesTait> Cos for desktop stuff I've been liaising with them. :)
[12:37] <mhr3> JamesTait, they're working on the click pkg scope, right?
[12:37] <tarelerulz> I don't know the technical stuff  So will it support LTE in the near future?
[12:37] <JamesTait> Ah, probably actually, yes.
[12:37] <Cimi> Laney, I didn't do anything in the end, but I have an idea how to do it
[12:38] <JamesTait> mhr3, so which part are you working on? I'll add it to my document so I don't forget to include you in any discussions. ;)
[12:39] <mhr3> JamesTait, general scope stuff, ie scope to dash talking
[12:39] <mhr3> JamesTait, plus i keep reviewing some of the scopes, like apps
[12:39] <tarelerulz> Can you sync your contacts from Google  or you need to put them into a file?
[12:40] <JamesTait> Right, you're on the list. :)
[12:41] <JamesTait> So, tell me more about this key you need.
[12:41] <JamesTait> "Translates to the desktop file entry"?
[12:42] <JamesTait> That *sounds* to me like I'm not the person to be asking, but I might be wrong.
[12:42] <mhr3> JamesTait, atm the .desktop files for the touch apps have X-Ubuntu-Touch=true key, we want to replace that with an extra category in the Category key
[12:43] <JamesTait> Oh, right.
[12:43] <tmoenicke> penk: pong
[12:43] <JamesTait> So you can search the index for touch apps?
[12:43] <penk> tmoenicke: hi, I'm working on input method support for maliit
[12:43] <penk> is the WordRibbon enabled in saucy image?
[12:44] <mhr3> JamesTait, right
[12:44] <JamesTait> OK, that shouldn't be a problem.
[12:44] <penk> tmoenicke: I'm looking for a QML method to send text directly instead of index
[12:45] <JamesTait> At the moment, categories and departments and such aren't defined in the schema - I need to have a chat with $SOMEONE to fully understand the data I'll be getting from Software Centre Agent, then work out how that's going to translate.
[12:45] <tmoenicke> penk: cool. which method are you working on?
[12:46] <JamesTait> But accommodating an extra flag there for touch apps should be trivial.
[12:46] <penk> tmoenicke: I'll start with ZhuYin, then Handwriting and PinYin
[12:46]  * JamesTait utters those famous last words.
[12:47] <tmoenicke> penk: sounds great. looking forward to seeing zhuyin and handwriting. i am currently working on pinyin
[12:47] <penk> tmoenicke: https://github.com/penk/SlateKit/tree/master/IME/handwriting # Zinnia plugin for QML
[12:47] <tmoenicke> amazing
[12:47] <penk> tmoenicke: the logic part is already implemented, in QML and JavaScript
[12:48] <JamesTait> mhr3, tvoss: Note added to the doc to remind myself, and your names added to the list.
[12:48] <penk> tmoenicke: I'm looking for a method to send keys (text), what would you recommend? onWordCandidatePressed?
[12:48] <tvoss> JamesTait, great, thx
[12:48] <tmoenicke> penk: yes
[12:48] <penk> tmoenicke: and what's your plan for dynamic keyboard layout?
[12:48] <JamesTait> I'll be in touch. :)
[12:48] <tmoenicke> penk: its exposed to qml
[12:49] <penk> tmoenicke: can you please point me to your feature branch of pinyin, if available?
[12:49] <JamesTait> In fact, once I've wrapped my head around it, I'll probably be mailing Ubuntu Appstore Developers, or whatever that mailing list is called.
[12:49] <penk> it'll be easier if I can start from there
[12:49] <tmoenicke> penk: event_handler.onWordCandidatePressed(text);
[12:49] <JamesTait> But now - I need lunch! :)
[12:49] <mhr3> JamesTait, cool, thx
[12:50] <tmoenicke> penk: i will upload the branch soon and ping you
[12:50] <penk> tmoenicke: appreciated!
[12:50] <penk> tmoenicke: this is ZhuYin in action http://i.imgur.com/qnUOcgm.png
[12:50] <penk> I hacked Keyboard.qml directly
[12:51] <tmoenicke> penk: wow cool
[12:51] <tarelerulz> Have any of you ran touch?   Can you do all the phone function like  Calling and Texting ?
[12:51] <tmoenicke> penk: do you have a branch for that on launchpad?
[12:52] <penk> tmoenicke: that's just 20 mins of hack, but you can check the logic here: https://github.com/penk/SlateKit/tree/master/IME/zhuyin
[12:52] <penk> tmoenicke: I'll commit that once I read your pinyin base
[12:53]  * penk try not to push dirty hack :P 
[12:55] <tmoenicke> penk: ok
[12:56] <penk> tmoenicke: what about keyboard layout, any plan on dynamically switching?
[12:56] <tmoenicke> penk: yes, working on it
[12:57] <tmoenicke> penk: there is a little menu where you can switch
[12:57] <penk> tmoenicke: cool
[12:59] <bzoltan> asac: yes I can confirm ... in the following days I will extend that suit.
[13:03] <asac> bzoltan: nice
[13:04] <morphis> rsalveti, ogra_, sergiusens: nice work with the container-flip
[13:05] <ogra_> thanks !
[13:05] <rsalveti> morphis: still more to come, but looking great already
[13:05] <morphis> I just flashed a saucy image on my gnexus
[13:05] <rsalveti> guess the udev x ueventd is kind of the big blocker atm
[13:05] <ogra_> yeah, it is definitely still in its infancy
[13:05] <ogra_> rsalveti, and the boot itself ...
[13:06] <ogra_> we kind of need to get rid of triple mounted /data
[13:06] <rsalveti> right, indeed
[13:06] <morphis> :)
[13:07]  * ogra_ waits for that meeting with ChickenCutlass , stgraber and slangasek for these issues
[13:08] <ogra_> i think the udev issues have gotten a lot better now that udev starts after the container by default
[13:09] <morphis> ogra_: so there is full udev and android ueventd running now?
[13:09] <ogra_> yes
[13:10] <ogra_> we still might need to cut down udev functionality
[13:10] <ogra_> and find a non invasive way to do that so we dont get in trouble once we move forward with convergence
[13:12] <sergiusens> morphis: all ogra
[13:13] <morphis> sergiusens: just saw you wrote the announcement :)
[13:13] <ogra_> heh you mixed the announcements
[13:14] <sergiusens> morphis: I wrote just saucy ;-)
[13:14] <ogra_> sergiusens, announced unflipped saucy images
[13:14] <sergiusens> morphis: flipped is a different announcement :-)
[13:14] <sergiusens> coming soon
[13:14] <ogra_> we currently offer thme both
[13:14] <ogra_> *them
[13:14] <sergiusens> morphis: gruntwork for flipped is all ogra anyways :-)
[13:15] <ogra_> users get unflipped ... devs should use flipped nowadays
[13:15] <morphis> sergiusens: ah yes, sorry ... too much mails today :)
[13:26] <rtg_> rsalveti, ok, I think I have _finally_ gotten grouper and maguro tools packages correct. I'll see if I can get mako and manta uploaded today.
[13:26] <rsalveti> rtg_: awesome, thanks!
[13:34] <chris123> hopefully a quick question.... i read an article about Touch where it had a file browser and a terminal.  I have the latest build on raring and don't see either of those.  are they part of sausy, or do I not know how to find them in raring?
[13:34] <ogra_> switch to the apps page, tap the looking glass and search for terminal
[13:35] <ogra_> (or file browser)
[13:36] <chris123> i dont see a looking glass :(
[13:37] <ogra_> in the panel ... top left
[13:37] <chris123> haha
[13:38] <chris123> got it.  thx
[13:38] <chris123> any other apps that are findable by search?
[13:43] <cyphermox> rsalveti: sergiusens: need help with a code review... https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/phablet-extras/network-manager-ofono/+merge/168842
[13:44] <rsalveti> cyphermox: sure
[13:45] <sergiusens> cyphermox: 1 line
[13:45] <rsalveti> cyphermox: did you also push it to saucy?
[13:45] <rsalveti> guess this would be pushed to the archive directly
[13:45] <cyphermox> no, because I need to upload something else too, and that means you'll have to bump the version in your ppa
[13:46] <cyphermox> so you know, coordination and all ;)
[13:46] <sergiusens> cyphermox: did you miss some files?
[13:46] <cyphermox> no, why?
[13:46] <cyphermox> it's a one-line change, like we discussed
[13:46] <sergiusens> cyphermox: changelog says a lot more, that's all
[13:46] <cyphermox> nah ;)
[13:46] <seb128> mardy, I've some quick questions for you if you have a minute
[13:47] <rsalveti> cyphermox: right, but I believe we also want to land this in the archive and in the saucy ppa
[13:47] <sergiusens> cyphermox: also says raring instead of saucy
[13:47] <mardy> seb128: I do
[13:47] <rsalveti> because of the custom version we have
[13:47] <cyphermox> of course
[13:47] <cyphermox> sergiusens: that's for your network-manager branch, so yes it's raring
[13:47] <rsalveti> sergiusens: that's useful for raring as well, but not sure if enough for a backport
[13:47] <cyphermox> rick uses raring afaik
[13:48] <rsalveti> I believe he'll be using saucy soon, if not already
[13:48] <rsalveti> :-)
[13:48] <sergiusens> cyphermox: he's on saucy since yesterday I think
[13:48] <ogra_> cyphermox, well, target should be saucy ... and we should rather backport if needed
[13:48] <seb128> mardy, ok, so 1- main.cpp in u-s-s does "app.exec()", where is that documented/where is the code ... or to state the problem I'm trying to figure out, your initTr() call doesn't work, it's looking for a SystemSettings.mo according to strace
[13:48] <sergiusens> ChickenCutlass: gave him a heads up and he flashed
[13:48] <seb128> mardy, I was wondering if some code overwrite your init by setting the domain to the plugin one or something
[13:48]  * sergiusens notes that he wasn't pinging ChickenCutlass 
[13:48] <rsalveti> yeah, let's fix this for saucy instead
[13:49] <cyphermox> fair enough -- anyway, I'm ready to upload that
[13:49] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, you mailed teh world :)
[13:49] <ogra_> cyphermox, raring is dead, it is only used for presentations now
[13:49] <mardy> seb128: let me check...
[13:49] <sergiusens> ogra_: it was the ideathat was the idea
[13:49] <sergiusens> grr
[13:49] <ogra_> heh
[13:49] <sergiusens> that was the idea
[13:49]  * ogra_ got the idea
[13:50] <rsalveti> cyphermox: so feel free to bump our saucy ppa specific package with this fix
[13:50] <rsalveti> I don't think we have a bzr branch for that
[13:50] <cyphermox> oh?
[13:50] <cyphermox> ok
[13:50] <rsalveti> not sure if we want one though
[13:50] <cyphermox> bah, I can just quickly do that on my branch
[13:50] <rsalveti> cyphermox: how long do you think it'd take to fix the polkit thing?
[13:51] <cyphermox> no idea
[13:51] <rsalveti> right, might be good to have a branch for it then
[13:51] <ogra_> i thought Mir will fix that
[13:51] <rsalveti> let me do the setup
[13:51] <rsalveti> so a few weeks still
[13:51] <ogra_> and Mir will be done by end of the week, right ?
[13:51] <ogra_> :)
[13:51] <rsalveti> ha ha
[13:51] <rsalveti> :-)
[13:51] <Laney> Cimi: OK thanks, seems like there is something in unity anyway why I'll look at putting in the ui toolkit
[13:52] <rsalveti> sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phablet-extras/network-manager-packaging
[13:52] <rsalveti> sergiusens: we'd need to move this to be raring specific, in case we really need to backport something
[13:52] <rsalveti> sergiusens: if I rename it it'll probably break ci/autoland
[13:52] <rsalveti> sergiusens: not sure about naming as well, any suggestion? I'd just append -raring
[13:52] <mardy> seb128: ah, I think I got it: it's ignored :-)
[13:52] <sergiusens> rsalveti: cyphermox for network manager can't you just bzr branch ubunut:network-manager ?
[13:53] <rsalveti> sergiusens: we have a custom change (disable polkit)
[13:53] <seb128> mardy, why? do you know how to fix it? ;-)
[13:53] <mardy> seb128: try adding this on the MainWindow:
[13:53] <sergiusens> rsalveti: ah, ok... we have no ci for network manager btw
[13:53] <mardy> seb128: Component.onCompleted: i18n.domain = "system-settings"
[13:53] <rsalveti> sergiusens: awesome, is it fine if I rename it to ..-raring?
[13:54] <sergiusens> rsalveti: do it
[13:54] <seb128> mardy, [pid 31687] open("/usr/share/locale-langpack/en/LC_MESSAGES/system-settings.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[13:54] <rsalveti> sergiusens: awesome
[13:54] <seb128> mardy, excellent, I will have a merge request soon
[13:54] <sergiusens> rsalveti: if you can, create the series as well
[13:55] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yup
[13:55] <seb128> mardy, btw any reason you added a po/Makefile? is that ok if I replace it by a po/po.pro (copied from ubuntu-weather-app, it has a make pot which works as expected)
[13:55] <mardy> seb128: it's a copy/paste from other projects, a po/pro is very welcome
[13:55] <mardy> seb128: and then I'll copy/paste that to my other projects :-p
[13:56] <seb128> mardy, ok, MR that enable translations coming in a few minutes
[13:56] <awe> rsalveti, hey.. I updated the debug-refactor MR.  tracing now controlled by env variable ( see latest comment ).  One more minor tweak I'm working on ( making append_print_buf also check the trace flag ), but should have that ready before out stand-up
[13:57] <rsalveti> awe: awesome
[13:58] <awe> rsalveti, also re: the MR for the SIM_STATUS, if you could let me your thoughts on retry, I'd like to finalize this one today as well
[13:58] <rsalveti> awe: sure, will do
[13:58] <awe> thanks!
[13:59] <bobweaver> I have a question. I am making a app that uses a api.  the api has Key's for datetime (UTC always) So I have to figure out how to subtract or add the local time on to the utc time so that the time will be correct on the calls to the api.  thi is what I got so far http://paste.ubuntu.com/5761534/   any hints would be great thanks
[14:01] <mhall119> Calendar App team meeting starting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[14:05] <rsalveti> cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phablet-extras/network-manager-packaging should now reflect our changes + saucy packaging branch
[14:05] <rsalveti> cyphermox: I'll push to the ppa, if you still didn't do that
[14:05] <cyphermox> I did not
[14:05] <cyphermox> hold on though
[14:05] <rsalveti> saw you already pushed to the archive
[14:05] <cyphermox> suacy packaging branch is missing the last rev
[14:06] <rsalveti> cyphermox: that's fine, just the release one right?
[14:06] <rsalveti> we can merge again
[14:06] <cyphermox> yeah
[14:06] <cyphermox> well, it's up to date now
[14:08] <rsalveti> cyphermox: great, merged
[14:08] <rsalveti> cyphermox: will push then
[14:10] <rsalveti> DONE :-)
[14:16] <rachelliu> hi, can someone help me install a previous phablet build on the phone since i'm having this error today trying to get the latest build: https://pastebin.canonical.com/92725/
[14:24] <ogra_> rachelliu, it helps to use a pastebin that is readable for everyone (paste.canonical.com is employees only)
[14:28] <tmoenicke> penk: ping
[14:33] <Cimi> ogra_, I helped her here, she sits next to me in the office
[14:34] <Cimi> ogra_, dunno what was the problem, validation issue with md5sum on mako
[14:34] <Cimi> ogra_, on both her and my pc,
[14:34] <Cimi> ogra_, I edited the python script to skip it and worked :D
[14:34] <ogra_> Cimi, well, it looks like a download error ... (as i said in #phablet) ...  try again, there is already a saucy-9
[14:53] <sergiusens> Cimi: if cdimage updates middownload you can get broken/corrupt
[14:58] <Laney> can I flash back to raring/160 with phablet-flash if it's already downloaded?
[14:59] <Laney> ah maybe I have to move it into Downloads/phablet-flash/raring/160 instead of D/p/160
[14:59] <Laney> seems to work
[15:00] <ogra_> Laney, i'll push 160 to the monthly-06 milestone in about 30min (after a call i have now) ... then you should be able to force that milestone
[15:00] <ogra_> ah, well, if it already works :)
[15:00] <Laney> It's that -r raring/160 doesn't look in the same place that it downloaded 160 to before
[15:00] <ogra_> (there is also a manual flashing method btw ... only four commands,... for the next time)
[15:02] <Laney> yeah but the lovely tool!
[15:02] <ogra_> heh
[15:02] <Laney> I would have gone back to that
[15:09] <Laney> how do I remove all of the sample data?
[15:09] <Laney> I think now that it's gone from the images I should be able to do that, right?
[15:10] <ogra_> you shouldnt even have it
[15:10] <mfisch> sergiusens: are you guys using a swap file?
[15:10] <mfisch> I seem to have found one
[15:10] <ogra_> there definitely is one
[15:10] <Laney> ogra_: well I do! I assumed it was being carried over from when it was included
[15:10] <mfisch> ogra_: just for Ubuntu use?
[15:10] <Laney> if it's easier (and you tell me how :P) I will wipe the thing and start again
[15:11] <mfisch> ogra_: or is the kernel also using it for android stuff?
[15:11] <ogra_> mfisch, it lives in the ubuntu rootfs
[15:11] <ogra_> the kernel will use it for both indeed
[15:11] <Laney> might solve the weird "apps don't launch" problem
[15:11] <Laney> which I guess other people aren't seeing ...
[15:11] <mfisch> ogra_: thanks, thats somethign we looked into for ufa
[15:11] <ogra_> once you swapon it will be available for both
[15:12] <mfisch> ogra_: yep
[15:12] <mfisch> so we discovered ;)
[15:13] <mfisch> are those SHA sums used after install at all? we could free up ~2.5m by removing them
[15:13] <ogra_> it is handled on kernel level ... no idea if it would be possible to only make it available to one system
[15:13] <mfisch> you can set swapiness, but I'm not sure you can guarantee only 1 side uses it
[15:13] <ogra_> no, thats on kernel level as well
[15:15] <codinho> hello guys, I'm porting qtmultimedia to gstreamer backend to gstreamer-1.x
[15:16] <codinho> for now I have problems with qt part
[15:16] <codinho> could someone help me with qt internals?
[15:16] <tvoss> codinho, you should talk to jhodapp
[15:17] <jhodapp> tvoss, he has already :)
[15:17] <codinho> jhodapp, its funny, ha?
[15:17] <jhodapp> tvoss, his questions are more about Qt
[15:17] <codinho> yes, gst part is working
[15:17] <codinho> its all almost work for decoding and playbck
[15:17] <tvoss> jhodapp, codinho sorry then, my mind just picked up buzzwords and mathced those to names :)
[15:18] <jhodapp> tvoss, hehe, np
[15:18] <codinho> but there no video, as it uses dummy video render
[15:19] <tvoss> jhodapp, codinho how do we know that playbakc and decoding is working then?
[15:19] <codinho> audio is ok, decoded video frames rendered to abstract video render, as I have no rendering plugins, may be here is a guys who could describe me how I can to get some qt rendering plugins especially egl one if its possible
[15:20] <codinho> tvoss, gstreamer log?
[15:20] <codinho> and debug
[15:20] <codinho> tvoss, you could check iy by yoyrself
[15:20] <codinho> sry, *it by yourself*
[15:21] <codinho> https://gitorious.org/~ismelykh/qt/qtmultimedia-porting
[15:21] <tvoss> jhodapp, don't we have a gl/egl sink?
[15:22] <jhodapp> tvoss, a very preliminary one, yes
[15:22] <jhodapp> codinho, are you trying this on ubuntu touch, or just an ubuntu desktop?
[15:25] <mfisch> hey ChickenCutlass one of the libs on phablet is printing this message: "__pthread_gettid -2"
[15:25] <mfisch> I see it in powerd
[15:25] <mfisch> and from google, looks like mir has it too
[15:25] <ChickenCutlass> mfisch, yeah, don't worry about it
[15:25] <kdub> never caused me a problem :)
[15:25] <mfisch> ChickenCutlass: okay, I assume its in hybris
[15:26] <ChickenCutlass> mfisch, yes it is
[15:26] <mfisch> well we got complaints about our logging, so I was curious ;)
[15:27] <codinho> jhodapp, I've decided to do it on just 13.04 x86 ubuntu first
[15:27] <jhodapp> codinho, ok, so you should have an EGL sink to choose from then
[15:27] <codinho> jhodapp, eglglessink is here, yes
[15:28] <jhodapp> codinho, perfect
[15:28] <codinho> jhodapp, but as I know qt is in charge to render it and qt uses its own video sink
[15:29] <codinho> and my actual problem is in this sink :)
[15:29] <jhodapp> codinho, so is there a problem then?
[15:29] <codinho> jhodapp, yes, the qtmultimedia problem is in its video sink, that is what I'm talking about
[15:29] <jhodapp> codinho, you're sure it uses its own sink? does the qtmultimedia gstreamer backend use playbin? you could force playbin to use eglglessink
[15:30] <rsalveti> sergiusens: indicator-messages is crashing in loop here
[15:30] <codinho> jhodapp, 100%
[15:30] <rsalveti> the icon is blinking like crazy haha
[15:30] <rsalveti> and shell taking most of the cpu in idle
[15:30] <rsalveti> that's saucy :-)
[15:30] <codinho> jhodapp, its uses playbin2 and set its video-sink argument
[15:31] <ogra_> rsalveti, yeah, use flipped, doesnt happen here
[15:31] <codinho> there is no playbin2 in 1.x so I've changed it to just playbin
[15:31] <ogra_> crappy unflipped saucy stuff
[15:31] <jhodapp> codinho, yeah, override that...and it shouldn't be using playbin2 with gstreamer1.x...only playbin exists
[15:31] <rsalveti> ogra_: well, doesn't happen all the time
[15:31] <rsalveti> just started to crash here
[15:31] <rsalveti> hehe :-)
[15:31] <ogra_> :)
[15:31] <codinho> the actual qt video sink is src/gsttools/qvideosurfacegstsink.cpp
[15:32] <codinho> and there is a qt video rendering plugins enumeration there which amount is 0 for me :)
[15:32] <codinho> in that element
[15:33] <codinho> jhodapp, actually I've described current situation in my last two email
[15:33] <jhodapp> codinho, I would advise trying to override it in a static sense temporarily just to prove your ported code
[15:33] <sergiusens> rsalveti: that can explain the flicker
[15:35] <codinho> jhodapp, actually its not bad idea to override qt sink by some normal sink, I think it should work, as I've checked that normal decoded data is actually pushed to sink
[15:35] <jhodapp> codinho, yes exactly...I think you should be able to get that to work with very little effort
[15:36] <codinho> jhodapp, I'm having nexus 4 here so I think I could be able to run touch
[15:36] <jhodapp> codinho, very good...once you get it working on the desktop (easiest case at the moment), I can help you get it running on the nexus 4 with Ubuntu Touch
[15:37] <codinho> jhodapp,  yes, could you please send me an email with some kind of a quick start:) if there is a some kind of egl sink so I could try to run it
[15:38] <jhodapp> codinho, it's not quite ready to try on the device yet
[15:38] <jhodapp> codinho, let's focus on the desktop for right now
[15:38] <codinho> jhodapp, ok, I think it should just work
[15:38] <jhodapp> codinho, cool, let me know how it goes...that'll be very cool to have working!
[15:39] <codinho> jhodapp, ok, will do it tomorrow, its 22:39 here ;)
[15:39] <jhodapp> codinho, awesome, thanks
[15:40] <codinho> jhodapp, one more qustion, is there any list of devices which actually could be the ubuntu-touch platform?
[15:40] <codinho> I'm actually afraid for my nexus 4 ;)
[15:40] <jhodapp> codinho, you mean if it'll run Ubuntu Touch ok?
[15:43] <codinho> jhodapp, yes, will I be able to at least call and send sms with it, as its the main phone for me now :) or its better to find other device for ubuntu-touch
[15:43] <jhodapp> codinho, that's totally up to you...I personally would advise getting another device to test on
[15:46] <codinho> jhodapp, ok, so thats is why I've just asked where is the device list, is it only nexuses?
[15:47] <codinho> ok, I'll try to get nexus 7 then
[15:48] <jhodapp> codinho, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[15:48] <codinho> jhodapp, ohm thanks :)
[16:00] <oSoMoN> bfiller: that’s in snowshoe’s code: « // FIXME: placeholder waiting for the time we can get some webpage thumbnails. » -> no thumbnails
[16:01] <bfiller> oSoMoN: ahh
[16:01] <bfiller> oSoMoN: thanks for checking
[16:03] <slangasek> ogra_: hi, did you happen to see my question overnight about container flip and grouper?
[16:04] <slangasek> ogra_: do you have this in hand and I should step back?  or have I found a different issue than the one you're working on?
[16:04] <ogra_> slangasek, no, i didnt, seems my bip hung ... but grouper doesnt work on saucy at all
[16:04] <ogra_> ricardo found a fix, waiting for it to land to see if it fixes flipped as well
[16:04] <slangasek> ogra_: well, there's "saucy doesn't work (video)", and then there's "container-flipped saucy has a reboot loop because init dies"
[16:04] <ogra_> (though i'm first waiting for the new grouoper kernel that enables consoles)
[16:04] <slangasek> so there's an issue here specific to the flip... was wondering whether you knew about it
[16:05] <ogra_> yeah
[16:05] <ogra_> and we have a "fix"
[16:05] <ogra_> rtg_ just enabled all possible console options :)
[16:05] <slangasek> aha
[16:05] <slangasek> console problem, ok
[16:05] <ogra_> i still need to go through them and rip out whats not needed
[16:05] <ogra_> the current grouper kernel should work, but has no meta upload yet ... so it doesnt end up on the image
[16:06] <slangasek> ok
[16:06] <ogra_> its in mz hands on in the works ... manta worries me more
[16:06] <rtg_> ogra_, it should be there real soon now.
[16:06] <ogra_> since it does the same but doesnt expose any error
[16:06] <ogra_> and i dont have the device to dig into it
[16:07] <ogra_> sergiusens tries to find the issue but i fear thats hard without any console access (it dies in initrd *before* doing any mounting)
[16:08] <ogra_> slangasek, did you see what i did to udev now ?
[16:08] <slangasek> ogra_: I haven't seen anything on udev - where should I look?
[16:08] <ogra_> lxc-android/config indeedd, the package carrying all the hacks ...
[16:09] <ogra_> essentially lxc-android-config.conf now emits the android event after /dev is set up so far ... and udev only starts after this event
[16:09] <ogra_> (and ubuntu-touch-session waits until udev runs so we get the permissions)
[16:10] <ogra_> slangasek, i think we still need a meeting about it though
[16:11] <slangasek> ogra_: I think we should have the lxc-android-config job be 'start on starting udev' to block udev startup, instead, to minimize the use of .override; but yeah, that looks pretty close to what I was doing here for testing
[16:12] <ogra_> "on starting" blocks the other job ?
[16:12] <ogra_> i aalways thought it just makes you fire in parallel
[16:13] <slangasek> ogra_: nope, 'on starting' blocks - 'on started' doesn't (since there's nothing to be blocked)
[16:13] <ogra_> ah, heh
[16:13] <ogra_> wriong assumptions based on the event naming :)
[16:21] <bfiller> sforshee: just noticed if playing back a video or recording a video with the camera that powerd will black the screen even if those are active
[16:21] <bfiller> sforshee: I'll file a bug, just wanted to see if you knew about it
[16:24] <sforshee> bfiller: it's not a powerd bug per se. Something needs to take a display request to prevent that from happening.
[16:24] <sforshee> bfiller: powerd doesn't know that a video is playing
[16:25] <bfiller> ricmm, rsalveti : any ideas about this? ^^^ do we need an inhibit api or something
[16:25] <bfiller> sforshee: what does powerd monitor to tell if there is activity?
[16:28] <mfisch> awe: got a question on ofono, I'm working on the proximity sensor bug you filed
[16:28] <sforshee> bfiller: user input
[16:28] <sforshee> bfiller: i.e. the input devices
[16:28] <mfisch> awe: sorry, sforshee filed it, but basically I need to know when a call is answered
[16:28] <mfisch> i'm not seeing any property changed notifications when I pick up the call
[16:29] <mfisch> maybe I need to look at VoiceCall and not VCM
[16:31] <mfisch> and there it is
[16:31] <mfisch> active and disconnected
[16:31] <mfisch> sforshee: we need to switch from org.ofono.VoiceCallManager to just org.ofono.VoiceCall
[16:34] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, did you or someone do something to fix that power draining bug from last week? It didn't seem like I was getting it last night and I was heavily using my phone on cellular data
[16:35] <cyphermox> rickspencer3: not that I know
[16:35] <cyphermox> I didn't fix anything with that yet, it seemed to be scanning at the driver level
[16:35] <cyphermox> I'm going to fix policykit for now so that NM works well on saucy and then it will be easier to debug with the saucy stuff
[16:36] <mardy> seb128: about i18n in the SystemSettings, I'll review your MP tomorrow
[16:36] <cyphermox> e.g. the kernel on saucy, and up to date packages ,etc.
[16:36] <mardy> seb128: at a first sight it looks good, though
[16:36] <seb128> mardy, kenvandine said he would do some reviews for me ... or do you want to do the review for this one?
[16:36] <mardy> seb128: I'd just swap the order of the commands in here:
[16:37] <mardy> +    Component.onCompleted: {
[16:37] <mardy> +        pageStack.push(mainPage)
[16:37] <mardy> +        i18n.domain = "ubuntu-system-settings"
[16:37] <mardy> +    }
[16:37] <mardy> seb128: ^
[16:37] <seb128> mardy, ok, I can change that
[16:37] <mardy> seb128: not sure if it makes any difference, but it feels safer :-)
[16:37] <Laney> wow
[16:38] <seb128> mardy, well, I translated it in french and tested, it works ... but maybe it's just luck ;-) I'm changing it
[16:38] <cyphermox> rickspencer3: so you weren't in range of a known wifi network either?
[16:38] <Laney> my n7 is so much better after wiping and re-flashing
[16:38] <Laney> loads of weird glitches gone
[16:38] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, nope
[16:38] <cyphermox> cool.
[16:38] <cyphermox> rickspencer3: I still got that bug in the back of my mind, so I'll do more testing whenever I get the chance
[16:39] <cyphermox> so far... I haven't exactly noticed higher battery drain
[16:39] <cyphermox> though there *is* scanning being done when perhaps there shouldn't
[16:39] <cyphermox> so yes, there would be some battery usage from that, and we should reduce it anyway if we can
[16:39] <seb128> mardy, ok, pushed the swapped order
[16:39] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, after I get updated to saucy I'll see if I can repro the bug, it was easy to repro before
[16:40] <cyphermox> ok
[16:40] <cyphermox> I was trying to raring as well anyway
[16:40] <cyphermox> reflashing to saucy now for more policykit fun
[16:41] <dpm> hi fginther. We are changing the name of one of the core apps to 'calendar-app' (before it was 'ubuntu-calendar-app'). This includes changing the package name, and we want to make sure we don't break Jenkins before this change lands. What would you need from us to make sure the transition to the new package and app name happens smoothly and doesn't affect the Jenkins jobs for the calendar-app?
[16:43] <Oranger> dpm: All core apps will see "ubuntu-" removed from their name ?
[16:43] <rsalveti> bfiller_afk: indeed, we'd need an api to hold the screen with powerd
[16:43] <rsalveti> sforshee: mfisch: don't we have that already?
[16:43] <fginther> dpm, Just let me know when the branch is renamed. I will update the jobs then.
[16:43] <sforshee> rsalveti: we have that api
[16:44] <sforshee> rsalveti: it landed this week
[16:44] <rsalveti> sforshee: right, we might just need to hook that up them either via qtplatform or directly in the app
[16:44] <codinho> anyone here using utouch on nexus7?
[16:44] <rsalveti> because I know some coordination needs to happen
[16:44] <dpm> Oranger, we're trying to follow the same naming convention as the other apps, (e.g. 'camera-app'), so yes, they will all be renamed at some point. We've just happened to start with calendar
[16:44] <sforshee> rsalveti: apps shouldn't use this api directly
[16:44] <mfisch> rsalveti: there will be an announcement about it hopefully today
[16:44] <rsalveti> as the lock needs to be gone when the app is in background
[16:44] <dpm> fginther, cool, thanks
[16:44] <sergiusens> fginther: dpm: this may require some changes to keep it in the launcher if you change the desktop file name and also changes in the seeds if you don't provide the Replaces magic in debian/control
[16:44] <rsalveti> mfisch: sforshee: yeah, awesome
[16:45] <dpm> sergiusens, indeed, we discussed this with popey earlier on and you were the next on my list of people to ping :)
[16:46] <Oranger> dpm: Ok, it was just to know. To prepare mentally :p
[16:46] <sergiusens> dpm: great, I guess we are in sync
[16:46] <dpm> sergiusens, so to recap: I need to provide Replaces for the package and then, what do I need to do for the launcher. Is it just a matter of letting you know in advance and ping you when the rename lands?
[16:47] <sergiusens> dpm: so only calendar and weather would need changes for the launcher btw
[16:47] <dpm> ack
[16:47] <sergiusens> dpm: is the source package name also changing?
[16:48]  * sergiusens goes for lunch for real now
[16:48] <dpm> sergiusens, yes, we've removed all 'ubuntu-' suffixes from the names, including the source package
[16:48] <mfisch> sforshee: hey how can I turn debug logging back on?
[16:49] <fginther> dpm, do you need to support dist-upgrades from the old calendar-app to the new one?
[16:49] <sforshee> mfisch: POWERD_DEBUG=1 powerd
[16:50] <mfisch> sforshee: or modify the upstart job?
[16:51] <sforshee> mfisch: the upstart job should be doing that
[16:51] <dpm> fginther, we just want to make the transition as smooth as possible. I think a distro person might be better positioned to say if it makes sense to support dist-upgrade in this case
[16:51] <dpm> fginther, does it make a difference for Jenkins?
[16:51] <sforshee> # grep POWERD_DEBUG /etc/init/powerd.conf
[16:51] <sforshee> export POWERD_DEBUG=1
[16:51] <sforshee> mfisch: ^
[16:51] <fginther> dpm, I don't think distro would have any input since these only exist in a  ppa. It's not needed for jenkins.
[16:52] <mfisch> sforshee: it's not in my version
[16:52] <mfisch> I'm still on raring :(
[16:52] <dpm> fginther, ok
[16:53] <sforshee> mfisch: in that case it should still be G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all
[16:54] <sforshee> mfisch: unless you copied a new powerd binary into /usr/bin
[16:54] <mfisch> I bet I have the version that still goes to upstarts log
[16:54] <mfisch> thats the issue ^
[16:56] <popey> anyone else find speaker / mic buttons don't work in the phone app? https://bugs.launchpad.net/phone-app/+bug/1190673
[16:57] <rsalveti> popey: expected, lack of features :-)
[17:00] <popey> ok.
[17:01] <pmcgowan> popey, while I am thinking of it, the core apps not showing up in status.u.c, they are in a separate project, would need ot be ubuntu to show up
[17:01] <codinho> so, what should we suspect, does utouch will have some sdk with some stupid language like java or you will be able to write its native apps using C?
[17:01] <pmcgowan> popey, they are actually linked under appdev
[17:02] <pmcgowan> codinho, the sdk is available now from developer.u.c
[17:02] <mhall119> codinho: you'll be able to use C++, or an awesome language like QML and Javascript
[17:04] <codinho> mhall119, I don't think that qml and javascript are awesome
[17:04] <mhall119> codinho: I do :)
[17:04] <mhall119> but if it's not your cup of tea, like I said you can still use C++ and Qt
[17:04] <mhall119> or a mix of both
[17:05] <codinho> plain C
[17:05] <mhall119> you'll need to use Qt for the UI
[17:05] <codinho> qt is a crap also
[17:05] <mhall119> well that's very much a matter of opinion, it's working pretty darn well for us so far
[17:05] <mhall119> us, and Jolla, and Blackberry, and Android now too
[17:06] <codinho> yes, that's is why I'm looking for the guy who know qt video rendering part
[17:06] <mhall119> that would be jhodapp|afk I think
[17:06] <mhall119> he's done most of the multimedia work
[17:06] <codinho> I've ported qtmultimedia to 1.x gstreamer
[17:06] <mhall119> he's definitely the one to talk to then
[17:07] <mhall119> when he's not |afk
[17:07] <codinho> mhall119, yep) I know
[17:16] <bakaguyjam> whats the worst phone ubuntu can run on?
[17:17] <bakaguyjam> ?
[17:17] <bakaguyjam> wld it run on 400mhz phone?
[17:20] <codinho> bakaguyjam, nexus 4
[17:20] <bakaguyjam> no? no one?
[17:20] <bakaguyjam> wuts that
[17:21] <bakaguyjam> http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_4_e960-5048.php
[17:21] <bakaguyjam> ?
[17:21] <pmcgowan> bakaguyjam, you can look at the devices page for working ports
[17:21] <bakaguyjam> oic that was a joke
[17:21] <bakaguyjam> quad core 2Gb ram
[17:21] <johnjohn101> phone will be release in october?
[17:21] <bakaguyjam> i want it on my curent phone or my next phone
[17:22] <bakaguyjam> http://www.chinavasion.com/china/wholesale/Android_Phones/Normal_Screen_Android_Phones/Android_Watch_Phone-Smartphone_Watch
[17:22] <codinho> bakaguyjam, its the just google's last android's flagman
[17:22] <bakaguyjam> im sick of droping my phone
[17:25] <giallu> so, my app is nearly ready but I have some issue with the virtual keyboard. I'm deploying on some touch enabled PC with 13.04 and OnBoard as virtual keyboard.
[17:25] <giallu> when I enter in a TextField the keyboard do not appear
[17:45] <jono> giallu, you are best posting to Ask Ubuntu about this
[17:46] <jono> http://www.askubuntu.com/questions/ask?tags=mobile,application-development
[17:53] <fginther> popey, stock-ticker-mobile-app failed to upload to the ppa: https://bugs.launchpad.net/stock-ticker-mobile-app/+bug/1190689
[17:54] <fginther> popey, the others two projects have been uploaded
[17:55] <popey> thanks fginther
[18:08] <Dummies_freelanc> ubuntu touch use qml ?
[18:08] <ogra_> yes
[18:08] <Dummies_freelanc> plasma-active?
[18:08] <ogra_> no
[18:08] <ogra_> unity8
[18:09] <Dummies_freelanc> mmm  ok i have one  pc more one panel multitouch by usb.
[18:09] <Dummies_freelanc> the kernel suppport
[18:09] <Dummies_freelanc>  but utouch can gime gestures in my qml application?
[19:20] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, did you write an irc client yet?
[19:26] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, uh, not yet?
[19:26] <tedg> ChickenCutlass, Doesn't the messaging app use telepathy?
[19:27] <ChickenCutlass> tedg, I don't know
[19:27] <ChickenCutlass> tedg, I need an irc client
[19:27] <ChickenCutlass> rickspencer3, I thought you are a QML expert now
[19:27] <ChickenCutlass> lol
[19:27] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, I wonder if there is a cli one that would work with the terminal app?
[19:27] <rickspencer3> ChickenCutlass, dude, I totally am
[19:28] <tedg> ChickenCutlass, I thought it was using telepathy-ofono... not sure if it hard coded that.
[19:28] <rickspencer3> give me an Qt irc library and I'll write you an irc app in like 5 minutes :)
[19:28] <ogra_> irissi will surely work
[19:28] <ogra_> since mutt does ...
[19:29] <popey> i used irssi on my phone over 3g
[19:29] <popey> in the terminal
[19:29] <ogra_> yeah
[19:29] <ChickenCutlass> I want something fancy
[19:29] <popey> irssi being the one true irc client
[19:29] <popey> ChickenCutlass: seen irc-chatter ?
[19:29] <popey> http://wiki.meego.com/IRC_Chatter
[19:30] <tedg> ChickenCutlass, https://www.irccloud.com/
[19:30] <ChickenCutlass> perfect
[19:30] <ChickenCutlass> I'll take both
[19:49] <cyphermox> rsalveti: I think I found a valid workaround I could ship in the NM package
[19:49] <cyphermox> so that would fix the policykit issue, if it's fine by the security team
[19:51] <rsalveti> cyphermox: what would be the solution?
[19:52] <cyphermox> some policykit rule magic
[19:52] <cyphermox> rsalveti: however there truly is an issue with polkit identifying sessions
[19:53] <rsalveti> hm, ok
[20:00] <cyphermox> rsalveti: would there be a way to ship an extra file on the rootfs?
[20:00] <cyphermox> you know, rather than in NM itself?
[20:00] <rsalveti> cyphermox: sure
[20:01] <rsalveti> ubuntu session usually brings a few overrides already, but we could put it somewhere else if needed, depending on what exactly you're doing
[20:06] <gotwig> =)
[20:07] <cyphermox> rsalveti: I'd like to ship a very minimal policykit rule to let NM work without needing to be a ppa package
[20:07] <gotwig> what is the base of ubuntu touch? cyangenmod?
[20:07] <mhall119> gotwig: cyanogenmod is used to interact with Android hardware
[20:07] <mhall119> and currently a handful of system services
[20:07] <gotwig> mhall119, hey mhall, we havent met for a long time =) alright?
[20:07] <mhall119> but the base of Ubuntu Touch is Ubuntu
[20:08] <mhall119> gotwig: doing pretty good, how about you? Going to write some mobile apps?
[20:08] <gotwig> mhall119, meeh, I have to develop with Java for my college stuff ^^ at least I develop games .. :/
[20:08] <rsalveti> cyphermox: yeah, do it in ubuntu-session then
[20:08] <cyphermox> rsalveti: where is that code?
[20:08] <rsalveti> cyphermox: so we can remove if from there later on
[20:08] <mhall119> colleges do love Java
[20:08] <rsalveti> problem is that we have 2 branches for it, one for the flipped and the other for unflipped
[20:09] <rsalveti> let me find them
[20:09] <gotwig> mhall119, smart scopes in 13.10 are going to be a hit. I already used and broke it ;) I am recreating now my usb key to reinstall it. Than I am going to be more careful. Too much mir for me ;D
[20:09] <sergiusens> rsalveti: cyphermox lp:session-manager
[20:09] <rsalveti> and lp:session-manager-touch
[20:09] <mhall119> gotwig: nice, we'll  be getting a new scope writing tutorial published soon
[20:10] <cyphermox> rsalveti, sergiusens: thanks
[20:10] <rsalveti> cyphermox: I think the second one is available in the archive
[20:10] <cyphermox> ok
[20:10] <rsalveti> the first one is via phablet-team/ppa
[20:10] <cyphermox> ok
[20:11] <gotwig> mhall119, I wrote you at #ubuntu-unity
[20:12] <cyphermox> rsalveti: you mean ubuntu-touch-session, correct?
[20:12] <sergiusens> cyphermox: yes, he meant that
[20:12] <rsalveti> cyphermox: yeah, but the bzr branch name for it is lp:session-manager-touch
[20:12] <cyphermox> nice.
[20:12] <sergiusens> the inconsistencies?
[20:12] <sergiusens> :-P
[20:13] <rsalveti> :-)
[20:20] <cyphermox> rsalveti: sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/session-manager-touch/policykit-networkcontrol-hack/+merge/169291
[20:20] <cyphermox> yeah, the inconsistencies :)
[20:21] <cyphermox> that's going to make you not have to bump the version of NetworkManager whenever there is a new upload ^
[20:21] <cyphermox> and for now, I think it makes sense to be able to control networking via ssh as well
[20:21] <cyphermox> (even if it's potentially dangerous)
[20:22] <rsalveti> right
[20:23] <rsalveti> cyphermox: looks good, need to test
[20:23] <rsalveti> cyphermox: let me flash my nexus 4
[20:24] <rsalveti> sergiusens: we need a way to auto flash the flipped one as well
[20:25] <sergiusens> rsalveti: ok, let me write something up
[20:33] <cyphermox> rsalveti: missing some stuff, oops
[20:33] <cyphermox> this lets you connect a pre-existing connection but not create a new one
[20:37] <rsalveti> cyphermox: ok
[20:42] <esigolo> is already possible to use 3g data on the last preview build?
[20:48] <pmcgowan> esigolo, yes, you need to enable it manually
[20:48] <pmcgowan> in the tagged raring or latest
[20:48] <pmcgowan> https://plus.google.com/100264483712374857174/posts/3o1tjYo9Ghx has instructions
[20:51] <esigolo> pmcgowan: i'm not sure what build should i flash to enable it
[20:51] <esigolo> i'm flashing 160 now from default repo
[20:51] <pmcgowan> thats fine
[20:52] <esigolo> thanks
[20:54] <slangasek> cyphermox: so NM is letting me enter a network key now on the N4 in the saucy flipped image, hurray :)
[20:55] <slangasek> cyphermox: however, I have no on-screen keyboard! :D  Do you know if this problem exists in the non-flipped saucy image, or is it specific to the container flip?
[20:55] <cyphermox> slangasek: you mean with my pkla file?
[20:55] <cyphermox> slangasek: otherwise it's because rsalveti disabled polkit in NM for the phone
[20:55] <esigolo> pmcgowan: thanks !
[20:55] <slangasek> cyphermox: I don't know anything about the pkla
[20:56] <cyphermox> ok
[20:56] <slangasek> cyphermox: I just see that the network settings lets me choose a network, prompts me for a passphrase... and gives me no way to enter it
[20:56] <slangasek> I suppose I can hook up the OTG cable... :P
[20:56] <cyphermox> slangasek: well, I get the onscreen keyboard on my N4, with saucy flipped
[20:56] <slangasek> hmm
[20:56] <cyphermox> didn't try in the network menu yet though, only for sms
[20:56] <cyphermox> still battling policykit
[20:59] <beidl> am I right with the assumption that the right flashing order is needed in the container flipped images because of copying the Android ramdisk to /data/ubuntu/boot/ ?
[21:00] <mfisch> awe: ping
[21:01] <slangasek> cyphermox: right; so fwiw I'm not getting the osk anywhere... and OTG doesn't work either, which isn't really surprising... and I also am not getting any indication that it sees my SIM (phone app doesn't let me dial, etc)
[21:01] <awe> mfisch, pong
[21:02] <mfisch> awe: we have some issues with ofono related to the proximity sensor
[21:02] <mfisch> awe: the main issue is that we really only want it on when someone picks up the call
[21:03] <awe> mfisch, yea.. discussed a bit with sforshee the other day
[21:03] <awe> the state information you need is exposed by ofono
[21:04] <cyphermox> slangasek: ok
[21:04] <awe> you essentially need to monitor the iface for new calls, and the calls themselves for their state
[21:04] <awe> ( which is a property )
[21:04] <slangasek> cyphermox: how much of this matches what *you* expect to be working on the most recent flipped image? :)
[21:04] <cyphermox> slangasek: could you run a few dbus commands if I send them to you?
[21:04] <slangasek> cyphermox: sure
[21:04] <cyphermox> slangasek: all of that was working on the most recent image
[21:04] <cyphermox> and tbh most of that is working here on my n4
[21:05] <cyphermox> I just haven't tried the sim, since it's in my other phone
[21:05] <slangasek> with the container flip or without?
[21:05] <cyphermox> with the container flip
[21:05] <cyphermox> brb
[21:07] <slangasek> cyphermox: osk magically working after a reboot
[21:08] <cyphermox> slangasek: sudo dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono /ril_0 org.ofono.Modem.GetProperties
[21:09] <cyphermox> so that should list you a bunch of interfaces, and a modem in state Powered and Online, IIRC
[21:10] <cyphermox> slangasek: then,  sudo dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono /ril_0 org.ofono.NetworkRegistration.GetProperties
[21:10] <cyphermox> ^ should give you info about the current network registration state, whether you're actually online with the telco
[21:11] <cyphermox> slangasek: past that, I'm afraid you'll need to ask awe for how to further debug the voice / SIM states
[21:11] <slangasek> cyphermox: so I have "Online" and "Powered", but it also says "Manufacturer: Fake Manufacturer" :)
[21:11] <awe> slangasek, fyi... I've done zilch testing of ofono/rild in the flipped state.  Definitely interested in whether things work for you.  We're just starting to do some testing/validation of telephony now
[21:11] <awe> timing
[21:11] <awe> ;D
[21:11] <slangasek> :-)
[21:11] <awe> blame me for the fake manufacturer
[21:12] <awe> so...by default, it should be auto-powering
[21:12] <slangasek> awe: so that doesn't mean it's a fake device, just that it's got some mocked-up data on it?
[21:12] <awe> correct
[21:12] <cyphermox> well, it's powered already and online, so you're halfway there
[21:12] <cyphermox> I should move my sim to the n4
[21:13] <awe> slangasek, do you have ofono-scripts installed?
[21:13] <slangasek> awe: I do not
[21:13] <awe> if not, you should... it has all kinds of cool python scripts to play around with ofono ( no more dbus-send )
[21:13] <awe> you can do things like list-modem, activate-context, ...
[21:13] <slangasek> awe: I have no way of installing software on the device currently except by adb push, since none of the networking is working ;-)
[21:14] <awe> that's how I install all the time
[21:14] <awe> adb push
[21:14] <awe> ;/
[21:14] <slangasek> MobileCountryCode: 310
[21:14] <slangasek> that doesn't look right
[21:14] <mfisch> awe: sorry my connection dropped for a bit
[21:14] <slangasek> (or does it?)
[21:14] <slangasek> oh, I seem to have wireless now
[21:15] <mfisch> awe: sforshee caught me up, but I think we feel that this logic belongs in ofono, thats why we have dbus interfaces that people can call into
[21:15] <slangasek> though the interface is confusing
[21:15] <awe> slangasek, are you in bermuda?
[21:15] <slangasek> awe: I wish! ;)
[21:15] <awe> mfisch, it's nice to want...
[21:15] <awe> mfisch, let's discuss... however I think that'd be a hard sell to upstream
[21:15] <slangasek> cyphermox: do network passwords get saved currently?  After a reboot I seem to have been re-prompted for the passphrase
[21:16] <sforshee> awe: mfisch has observed that ofono isn't giving balanced signals for us to consume externally
[21:16] <slangasek> huzzah, 'apt-get install ofono-scripts' success
[21:16] <awe> slangasek, I think you need python-dbus
[21:16] <sforshee> awe: i.e. we could get only one signal indicating that we start a call but two indicating that it ends
[21:16] <awe> and python-gobect-2 as well
[21:16] <slangasek> awe: successfully pulled in as deps
[21:16] <awe> cool
[21:17] <mfisch> looks like some of what I stated before was lost when my network died
[21:17] <slangasek> list-modems - looks pretty good
 awe: ofono sends the active signal out when that happens
 awe: and disconnected when the call ends, so that's great
 awe: it breaks when you are on a call, and another call comes in
 awe: then we only get 1 Active signal and 2 Disconnected ones
 awe: breaking a counter I'd hoped to use
[21:17] <slangasek> awe: sweet, it dials \o/
[21:17] <awe> nice
[21:19] <slangasek> awe, cyphermox: ok, so - on my previous attempt things definitely didn't work so well... so I'm guessing the problems I saw were all down to some kind of residual unreliability with the container flip
[21:19] <slangasek> I'll continue playing, and see if I can reproduce these problems again
[21:20] <awe> mfisch, if there's a bug in ofono, we can try to fix it... that said it'd be easier to help you guys if you could document this somehow/somewhere ( bug, gdoc, email ).   That way I can try and reproduce and see if there's a better way of handling.  Again, there's both a call list, and call properties for each call... so this *should* be do-able using the existing interfaces...
[21:21] <awe> it just might take more than just listening for one or more signals
[21:21] <mfisch> I assume that not sending Active on each call is a bug
[21:21] <mfisch> I will file an ofono bug
[21:22] <awe> I'm not sure it's a bug
[21:22] <Minste> Can anyone tell me why i have /ril_0 and wifi when i type "nmcli dev". but when i cd into /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections it only lists my wifi network? Fresh install on maguro, saucy 9.
[21:22] <awe> ...but then again, I don't have all the details of your scenario
[21:23] <mfisch> awe: you are on a call, another call comes in, you pick up. You will not get a call active signal the 2nd time
[21:23] <mfisch> thats my problem
[21:23] <awe> mfisch, but the call list changes, does it not?
[21:23] <awe> i.e. a new call is added
[21:23] <mfisch> yes
[21:23] <mfisch> but an Added call is not an active call
[21:23] <awe> that sounds right to me
[21:23] <mfisch> not necessarily
[21:23] <awe> you have a call active
[21:24] <mfisch> Added call happens when the phone is ringing
[21:24] <awe> another call doesn't make you more active
[21:24] <mfisch> ok
[21:24] <mfisch> if thats the case then this is not solvable in powerd as I stated before
[21:24] <slangasek> cyphermox: so the only remaining issue I see is that the network tab now reports 'Empty!' instead of listing any info about the networks I'm connected to.  Is this known?  Should I file a bug?  (On NM or somewhere else?)
[21:26] <awe> mfisch, if you're going to give up that easily, then please write up a bug, and I'll take some time to look at.  Again, it's a matter of writing code in one place or the other.  I believe that ofono is behaving as designed, and that the needed info is available.
[21:27] <awe> mfisch, if it isn't available, or it's truly not possible to monitor and/or query ofono to make the sensor do the right thing, then I'll help you fix the problem
[21:27] <awe> let's start with a bug
[21:27] <mfisch> I disagree with the statement that I've given up easily
[21:27] <mfisch> I will file a bug and we can argue about it there
[21:27] <awe> thank you
[21:27] <awe> ;D
[21:27]  * awe hugs mfisch
[21:28] <mfisch> awe: whats the bucket for touch bugs? this probably belongs tehre and not in lp:ofono
[21:28] <awe> touch-preview-images
[21:29] <mfisch> ok
[21:29] <awe> Minste, probably because you haven't manually configured your 3g connection
[21:29] <awe> Minste, also...there's more work to be done on the oFono/NM integration and 3g provisioning
[21:30] <awe> Minste, did you see the post about configuring 3g?
[21:30] <cyphermox> slangasek: yes, please file a bug. I see it happen every once in a while too, though it's not empty right now for me
[21:31] <Minste> awe: yeah, saw it :)
[21:31] <rickspencer3> there's a nice sight:
[21:31] <rickspencer3> Saving to: ‘/home/rickspencer/Downloads/phablet-flash/saucy-9/saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip’
[21:31] <rickspencer3> *saucy*!
[21:31] <cyphermox> yay!
[21:34] <rsalveti> slangasek: our indicators are mostly broken, waiting the new indicators to land
[21:38] <slangasek> rsalveti: so, is there already a bug report about this issue somewhere?
[21:39] <Minste> awe: thanks. forgot to push it to my device :P
[21:40] <rsalveti> slangasek: don't think so
[21:41] <slangasek> ok... will file one
[21:43] <slangasek> hmm
[21:43] <slangasek> clock not being set from the network
[21:43] <slangasek> TZ, rather
[21:45] <Noskcaj> does ubuntu touch support wireless 802.11ac ?
[21:46] <rsalveti> slangasek: no support for it yet afaik
[21:46] <slangasek> rsalveti: ok :)
[21:47] <sergiusens> slangasek: the indicator for datetime is just an image
[21:48] <rsalveti> yeah, don't expect much from them
[21:48] <slangasek> sergiusens: well, I noticed because of the timestamps on the SMSes
[21:49] <rsalveti> hopefully we should have the new indicators soon, which would allow us to move entirely to the archive
[21:49] <rsalveti> that and the new notify-osd
[21:50] <awe> Minste, nice!
[21:52] <Minste> awe: can you help me get Norwegian keyboard also? I've tried to follow the release notes, but when i try to set up OSK I get an error when i try to save. It says: ".config/maliit.org./server.conf" E212: Can't open file for writing
[21:52] <awe> Minste, that's out of my realm of knowledge, but I'm sure there are plenty of other folks here or on the ML that could help.
[21:53] <awe> I can't even spell mallet
[21:53] <awe> ;D
[21:53] <Minste> awe: okay, but thanks anyway :)
[21:55] <awe> Noskcaj, at the moment no, but then again it's not a major priority right now.  cyphermox, do we know if we have the necessary support in wpa_supplicant/NM for 802.11ac?
[21:56] <awe> cyphermox, I see that the HTC One claims to support it.   Noskcaj, at minimum you'd need a device that already supports 802.11ac, and then Ubuntu Touch would need be ported to it.
[21:56] <mfisch> awe: tony, there's a possible reason we don't get 2 active signals, we're having some problems getting the 2nd call to pick-up
[21:56] <mfisch> awe: I'll look into it tonight
[21:57] <awe> mfisch, well one reason would be that we really haven't added any support for call waiting, conf calls, etc...
[21:57] <awe> mfisch, does a second call show up in the call list?
[21:57] <mfisch> awe: yeah, so if that's broken, clicking that 2nd Accept may not do anything
[21:57] <mfisch> awe: let me look, it certainly makes the UI go all screwy
[21:58] <awe> mfisch, do you have ofono-scripts installed?
[21:58] <mfisch> awe: I see it in  the call lists
[21:58] <awe> k
[21:58] <mfisch> awe: no, but I can add it
[21:58] <awe> but not answered
[21:58] <awe> mfisch, ofono-scripts is your best friend
[21:58] <cyphermox> slangasek: actually I think you can set the clock by editing /etc/timezone
[21:58] <awe> it has all kinds of scripts to probe the ofono ifaces
[21:58] <mfisch> awe: aha
[21:58] <slangasek> cyphermox: yeah, I know
[21:58] <slangasek> :)
[21:58] <cyphermox> ok
[21:59] <slangasek> oh, actually
[21:59] <slangasek> no, the shell is ignoring that
[21:59] <mfisch> sforshee/awe: depending on the order of who called first, I have lots of 0 second calls from the 2nd number
[21:59] <esigolo> how to import google contacts witth manage-address-books.py ?
[21:59] <mfisch> awe: looking at the code that signals active, i think it should work fine, so I suspect now this is the issue
[21:59] <awe> mfisch, yea sounds right to me
[22:00] <slangasek> cyphermox: so historically, /etc/timezone stores the zone /name/, but the active zone is configured by a file copy from /usr/share/zoneinfo into /etc/.... I don't see this here, but given that /etc/timezone had no effect, I'm probably missing something
[22:00] <mfisch> awe: so given that I will proceed with my counter and assume it will work until > 1 calls works ;)
[22:00] <awe> mfisch, ack
[22:00] <om26er> Hi! where can I find the latest unity8 build ?
[22:00] <mfisch> awe: I'll check out ofono-scripts too, thanks
[22:00] <awe> np
[22:00] <slangasek> cyphermox: ah, /etc/localtime
[22:00] <cyphermox> slangasek: /etc/timezone needs to be a symlink to a file in zoneinto?
[22:00] <slangasek> cyphermox: nope
[22:00] <cyphermox> or you know, some mix of that kind of stuff
[22:00] <awe> mfisch, if I have some time tomorrow, I'll take a look-see at the code too
[22:00] <slangasek> cyphermox: /etc/timezone stores the TZ /name/, which is used by tzsetup to control /etc/localtime
[22:01] <cyphermox> ah, right
[22:01] <slangasek> s/tzsetup/tzconfig/
[22:01] <mfisch> awe: I didn't see anything in ofono that was obvious like "if (active) don't signal active", I think it's just that call conf/waiting isn't working
[22:01] <awe> k
[22:01] <mfisch> I can't tell who's connected and who's not when I talk since both phones are here
[22:02] <cyphermox> awe: we don't have support for 802.11ac yet... at least NM doesn't handle it
[22:02] <awe> cyphermox, thanks dude
[22:03] <cyphermox> wpa has some initial support I guess: http://w1.fi/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=hostap.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=802.11ac
[22:03] <awe> looks like HTC One supports it, so Android's a bit ahead of us then...
[22:04] <awe> cyphermox, any idea when it's slated to land in NM?
[22:04] <cyphermox> nope
[22:04] <awe> k
[22:04] <cyphermox> back later...
[22:06] <rickspencer3> should I be concerned that my contacts are still available after doing a phablet-flash today?
[22:07] <AskUbuntu> What browser does Ubuntu Touch use? | http://askubuntu.com/q/307912
[22:07] <rickspencer3> or was that related to the container flip?
[22:08] <jcastro> when I flashed yesterday the contacts remained even though the mail to the list said they would go away
[22:08] <jcastro> ends up the people lens was broken but the contacts were fine, bfiller filed a bug
[22:10] <sergiusens> jcastro: rickspencer3 I had that issue in one of my boots, just thought I'd mention it so people didn't randomly face it
[22:10] <sergiusens> I have to wipe my .local/evolution
[22:10] <sergiusens> might of been a new eds that landed in between my first tests last week though
[22:11] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, ok, thanks man
[22:33] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch: Can't change keyboard input | http://askubuntu.com/q/307923
[22:37] <mhall119> sergiusens: ChickenCutlass: any ETA on when I can safely upgrade my nexus 7 to saucy?
[22:43] <ChickenCutlass> mhall119, rsalveti working on it -- he will have a fix soon
[22:46] <rsalveti> yeah, probably later today
[22:56] <sergiusens> rsalveti: tomorrow you mean? :-P
[22:57] <sergiusens> rsalveti: today is almost over
[22:57] <rsalveti> sergiusens: well, that doesn't help :P
[22:58] <rsalveti> but it'll land in the archive
[22:58] <sergiusens> rsalveti: oh, but I am positive you will have the fix soon ;-)
[22:58] <sergiusens> pipelining it through the infrastructure is the fun part these days!
[23:01] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right :-)
[23:02] <aaa801> So i may of bricked my nexus 4
[23:02] <mhall119> aaa801: I doubt it, that's very hard to do to a nexus
[23:02] <mhall119> rsalveti: good to hear, I look forward to getting all the new hotness
[23:03] <aaa801> False alarm, couldn't get into recovery after 3 attempts after autodeploy failed
[23:03] <aaa801> started to worry ha
[23:03] <mhall119> told ya :)
[23:03] <aaa801> any way to get a file transfer bar on adb push ?
[23:04] <mhall119> not that I know of
[23:05] <aaa801> mhm im sure it used to have it on older versions =/
[23:05] <aaa801> sideload has a bar
[23:08]  * aaa801 waits a eternity for autodeploy to transfer
[23:15] <aaa801> mhall119, How long does the 500Mb autodeploy file take to transfer normally ?
[23:15] <esigolo> aaa801: depends on the USB speed
[23:15] <aaa801> usb 2
[23:16] <aaa801> esigolo,
[23:16] <esigolo> for me took 4 minuts
[23:16] <aaa801> mhm its been running alot longer then that
[23:18] <rickspencer3> squidgy launcher is nice :)
[23:18] <todd_> in manual installation i should copy one file right?
[23:19] <todd_> for nexus 4 --> mako.zip
[23:19] <todd_> ?
[23:19] <todd_> anyone?
[23:20] <aaa801> no
[23:20] <aaa801> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[23:20] <aaa801> adb push /path/to/your/downloaded/raring-preinstalled-armel+grouper.zip /sdcard/autodeploy.zip
[23:20] <todd_> im using nexus 4
[23:20] <aaa801> reboot then copy the preinstall one
[23:21] <aaa801> ye im doing it on a nexus 4 now
[23:21] <Minste> todd_: just armel+mako, then reboot recovery before pushing armhf.
[23:21] <todd_> saucy is released, cant do it
[23:21] <aaa801> woo armhf finaly transfered
[23:23] <todd_>  saucy-preinstalled-boot-armel+mako.img               13-Jun-2013 07:18  6.5M
[23:23] <todd_>  saucy-preinstalled-armel+mako.zip                    13-Jun-2013 07:31   44M
[23:23] <todd_> are these the 2 files?
[23:24] <aaa801> o wait
[23:24] <todd_> reboot into recovery or plain reboot?
[23:24] <aaa801> what have you done so far?
[23:24] <todd_> i unlocked the bootloader+performed clean wipe
[23:25] <aaa801> Why can't you use the auto installer btw?
[23:25] <todd_> phablet-flash -b doesn work because it tries to locate raring
[23:25] <aaa801> didn't for me =/
[23:25] <aaa801> i just run it for saucy
[23:25] <todd_> but saucy has replaced raring
[23:25] <todd_> the static link doesn work
[23:26] <aaa801> did u add the ppa?
[23:26] <todd_> so phablet-flash -b  returns error
[23:26] <todd_> yep
[23:26] <aaa801> i litterally did it 10 mins ago and it worked fine
[23:26] <aaa801> maybe you have old tools ?
[23:26] <aaa801> sudo apt-get update
[23:26] <aaa801> sudo apt-get install phablet-tools android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot
[23:26] <todd_> tried that everytine
[23:26] <todd_> lemme try again
[23:27] <Minste> todd_: check for software updates on your computer. I've had the same problem earlier today
[23:27] <aaa801> o.o ubuntuy
[23:27] <Minste> but after a update everything worked as planned :)
[23:27] <aaa801> =/ the menu needs 2 fingers to use >_<
[23:28] <todd_> sudo apt-get install phablet-tools android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot
[23:28] <todd_> no luck :(
[23:28] <todd_> i cant do it manually
[23:29] <todd_> whats the 2 files for nexus 4 and order?
[23:29] <todd_> grouper is for n7 right>
[23:29] <todd_> ?
[23:29] <aaa801> why is the navigation in touch so horid =/
[23:30] <Minste> todd_: saucy-preinstalled-armel+mako.zip  and then saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[23:30] <aaa801> freking side bar keeps flying back
[23:30] <rickspencer3> cyphermox, do you have the command for restarting nm handy?
[23:31] <slangasek> 'service network-manager restart'?
[23:31]  * rickspencer3 tries
[23:32] <Minste> rickspencer3: sudo restart network-manager ?
[23:32] <rickspencer3> the slangasek one worked
[23:32] <rickspencer3> thanks
[23:32] <todd_> thanks
[23:32] <todd_> should i reboot to recovery both time?
[23:32] <aaa801> =/ connected to my wifi and now networks list is "Empty!"
[23:34] <Minste> todd_: yes
[23:35] <todd_> so deploy 1st file>recovery>>deploy 2nd file>recovery>>ubuntu right?
[23:35] <todd_> thanks :)
[23:37] <Minste> todd_: the instructions tells that the right order :)
[23:49] <todd_> when i reboot to recovery after deploying each file, will i do anything or just leave it be on its own
[23:49] <todd_> ?
[23:50] <Minste> when you reboot after the second file, the phone will install image and start ubuntu :)
[23:51] <todd_> i deployed the 1st file and rebooted
[23:51] <todd_> nothing happened
[23:51] <todd_> the 2nd file replaces the first file
[23:51] <todd_> right?
[23:54] <slangasek> todd_: do you already have the Ubuntu-provided kernel image on there?  preinstalled-armel+mako and preinstalled-phablet-armhf are not the only image files that are needed
[23:55] <todd_> what else do i need then?
[23:55] <todd_> the img file?
[23:55] <slangasek> todd_: well... generally, you need everything that phablet-flash -b puts on there
[23:55] <slangasek> so I would really recommend getting the current version of phablet-tools and using that
[23:56] <todd_> ya but im not getting the latest update thats the problem
[23:57] <todd_> can you list the files i need?