[00:03] hi [06:58] morning all [07:04] Morning all [07:20] hey MooDoo diplo ! [07:22] knightwise: huly :D [07:22] hullo even === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [07:24] Hollah ! [07:25] how are you guys today [07:26] should I go and buy some Angry Birds mugs, they're on sale today at the local supermarket [07:29] https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-DytAWKqeOsQ/UbhZa-PSYPI/AAAAAAAAGvU/zPvPs9IRoX0/w1278-h959-no/2013-06-12 [07:29] opinions? [07:32] I'd like some for my kids Myrtti, always so expensive! [07:47] diplo: yeah well these are made by the Finnish equivalent of Spode or Wedgwood... they make a lot of collectible stuff, Moomin mugs are even more expensive and regularly stolen from the shops http://www.arabia.fi/web/Arabiawww.nsf/en/tableware_moomin_collection_parts_and_colours_mugs [07:48] Oh I like those! [07:48] * diplo saves some money [07:52] http://www.skandium.com/shop/kitchen-tableware/moomin-collection [07:57] * diplo saves quite a bit of money :D [07:59] diplo: i dont think it is considered "saving" just because you dont buy expensive mugs you wouldnt have bought anyway... [08:00] i purchased some lovely chairs that were on offer and decided that i had saved the 1800 quid they were reduced by... and could therefore spend that on something more fun but people kept telling me it didnt work like that :( [08:01] No saving to buy them in the first place, not a very rich man :) [08:19] Morning all [08:28] morning DJones [08:28] Heya MooDoo [08:28] hey hey [08:29] got approached by the usual tramp in bethnal green asking for money, but money he had a massive gash on his arm and blood covered entire forarm and hand. [08:30] something about a taxi fare to hospital [08:30] on this occasion i hope he spent the money [08:30] on a cab [08:31] prob just phoned 999 and got a free list [08:52] why take a taxi to hospital when there are ambulances? [08:53] :o [08:53] (admittedly, I took a taxi to hospital when I smashed my ankle, but I knew I wasn't an emergency, and didn't want to take an ambulance away from saving someone's life, potentially) [08:53] answered the question dwatkins [08:54] i would have hoped most people would do like you and opt for a taxi if it wasnt a proper emergency ;) [08:54] ambulances are mobile parademic units [08:54] considering that it is supposedly rather costly in tax payer money to call out an ambulance :) [08:54] i didn't really weigh up the pros and cons since i would have ended up not giving him anything [08:55] on those occasions sometimes its good to swallow pride and err on the side of compassion [08:55] if i got ripped off, then well he's less fortuante than me anyway [08:55] peeka boo [08:56] I'm still unsure about people begging for money - I give money to Shelter so they have help available, and there's all kinds of stuff possible, but I imagine they fall through the cracks in the system sometimes. [08:58] this wasn't really begging (possibly) [08:58] because his arm was dripping with blood [08:58] it may be he's an alcoholic and broke it on a bottle cos he wants a drink [09:01] dwatkins: i think it is sad that some people are in a position where they end up on the streets, i also think it is sad that some people allegedly beg because you can make "decent money" from it (and then go home to a nice warm bed at the end of the day) -- i also know that i cant help all of them, certainly not long term and like you i tend to prefer to give to charities instead where i can [09:01] in Spain when my dad was ill, and they called an ambulance, the ambulance drives to the doctors house first to pick him up, then picks up a nurse, then comes to you === alan_g is now known as alan_g|physio [09:01] it always saddened me when i still worked for the nhs to see how many of our patients ended up on the streets soon after being discharged [09:02] when i was at uni there was a destructive kid in the flat next door who usually punched a window or door and had an ambulance sent out every friday night [09:02] annoyed me no end [09:02] cos they can't really say no [09:03] those "doctors in ayia napia" programmes are depressing [09:03] having to care for drunken eejits [09:04] heh, i was one of those once, not my fault and not drunk [09:04] someone lobbed a beer mat at me, hit my eye [09:04] unbelievably painful [09:05] ow. [09:11] good morning everyone, [09:13] Good morning peeps [09:13] morning bigcalm [09:18] Hi brobostigon [09:29] Anybody with Android finding that calendar items aren't being synced recently? [09:29] Just added an item to a calendar via the web interface. Thunderbird shows the item, phone doesn't [09:30] i have not noticed that, but a friend of mine did mention a possible issue over the weekend. [09:30] didnt google switch off calendar sync? [09:31] For Android as well? That seems somewhat dumb [09:31] dunno [09:32] calendar sync is still showing in androids sync settings, aswell as, within androids calendar app. [09:35] I've just unticked/forced sync/reticked calendar for the account. Maybe it'll behave now === MooDoo is now known as MooD === MooD is now known as MooDoo === Dave2 is now known as Dave [09:58] "select an user" sounds horrible in my ears and yet it's grammatically correct. Damn you English language! [09:59] It sounds as though one is selecting a user called Ann [09:59] hmm, guake on 13.04 seems to be offset at the top too much [09:59] wouldnt, "select a user" be better ? [09:59] gotta say, did inplace upgrade of 12.10 to 13.04, and for the most part, worked, [09:59] brobostigon: it would be, except that it's always 'an' when the next work begins with a vowel [09:59] except the kernel didn't install at first, cause /boot partition ran out of space [09:59] bigcalm, not true. [09:59] had to fix that :P [09:59] No? [10:00] bigcalm: ah, i see. [10:00] bigcalm, no. :) I had this conversation a couple of weeks ago with one of my Argentine colleagues. [10:00] an also preceeeds h [10:00] bigcalm, I found a reference to it somewhere, let me see if I can dig it up. [10:00] bigcalm, it has a special name and everything. [10:01] I call it 'awkward' [10:01] an ukulele [10:01] yes, sounds sawkward :p [10:02] bigcalm: http://www.dailywritingtips.com/using-a-and-an-before-words/ Suggests it depends on pronunciation, rather than spelling, I guess 'user' would probably pronouned as though its spelt 'Yuser' [10:02] DJones: that's the thing. I would vocally say "a user", but feel I have to write "an user" [10:03] bigcalm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A,_an#Indefinite_article [10:03] lets just live in opposite land and say things liek "a apple" [10:03] DJones, that about sums it up. [10:03] I think I'd still write 'a user', but also depends on the context and the rest of the sentance [10:04] JamesTait: thanks for the link. I'll enjoy it later :) [10:06] bigcalm, yeah, there's a lot to read in that page. :) But tl;dr is: a/an depends on whether the next word begins with a vowel *sound* regardless of whether its a vowel *letter* [10:06] You could always avoid the problem and write your system docs/user manual in Latin :) [10:06] a owl? [10:07] No [10:09] DJones: yeah, I'll get on that [10:09] Also, good morning all! [10:10] popey, CalDAV sync was re-enabled, and IIRC CardDAV was added too. [10:12] http://googledevelopers.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/making-googles-caldav-and-carddav-apis.html [10:12] * JamesTait gets back down to work. [10:24] I'm getting a new work phone. Aside from the screen is there any particularly good reason to get a Galaxy S4 over an S3? [10:25] Morning all [10:26] BigRedS: myself and some other S3 users have found the phone to be freezing up now and then (requiring the battery to be pulled out) === alan_g|physio is now known as alan_g [10:33] Ooh, I've no real intention of leaving the stock software on it for more than a few hours [10:33] well, actually, I did wonder if it was time to give a vendor Android another go, but the norm for me is to reflash it before I find out what I'm potentially missing out on [10:35] I've been happy with the stock on the S3 [10:35] But it's become very slow and sometimes freezy [10:35] After the 2 year contract is up, I'll put CM on it I expect [10:36] Morning davmor2. Chris has had a haircut [10:36] bigcalm: was it the one on the left that he had cut [10:37] davmor2: mean :P [10:37] Ah, cool. I can get a more me-proof case for the S3, and I can't see any technical diference that I'm likely to notice [10:41] bigcalm: I'm only jealous that he has more hair than me ;) [10:43] I want one http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22887729 [10:45] awesome! [10:45] I guess any hippies with hair down to their waist might be better not riding it though [10:46] That's not a combination I ever expected to see [10:48] I'll wait to see Daniel Craig waving goodbye to his pursuers in the next Bond film as he flies away across a canal/river to escape [11:09] Does anybody here use Dropbox on a 12.04 server machine? Just wondering whether these instructions are the safe/correct way to install it http://ubuntuserverguide.com/2012/06/how-to-install-and-configure-dropbox-on-ubuntu-server-12-04.html or if there is a better method [11:18] DJones: Get the .deb from dropbox.com. Install [11:18] That is all there is to it [11:19] Oh, sorry [11:19] On a server [11:19] Don't know :) [11:20] Seems to be working ok [11:22] Its updating & downloading in the background [11:26] Can use U1 on a server as well afaik [11:27] Would be nice if it were possible to do this with SparkleShare [11:30] sparkly! [11:31] we may write a sparkleshare daemon. i need to talk to hbons. [11:33] 'we'? [11:34] collabora. we're using sparkleshare for work. so enhancing it is a low hanging fruit [11:37] czajkowski: i haz booked trains for hackntalk [11:37] Laney: huzzah :) [11:37] Laney: mpt is also going [11:38] all the cool kids [11:42] 43 quid though on advance tickets :( [11:42] oh to have a railcard again [11:54] the BBC just tricked me into watching a catcam of a cat being sick [11:57] aquarius: oh my [11:58] heh. [11:58] aquarius: good luck with whatever you choose to do :) [11:58] Thank you :) [12:08] bigcalm: am i missing somerhing? [12:08] MooDoo: https://twitter.com/sil/status/345146434485645313 [12:08] oh thanks popey === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:09] admit it, he's leaving to plan the LRL comeback tour for next year ;) [12:10] Heh. Xscreensaver doesn't seem to recognise my scrollwheel as activity [12:10] Right then. What's for lunch? [12:10] which is a handy reminder of when I've been scrolling down The Comments for too long :) [12:11] TheOpenSourcerer: good call! [12:11] My flatmate's just got back from a coffee shop. I'm having a selection of espressoes for lunch :) [12:11] * popey gets some [12:11] oh yeah it's lunch time [12:11] gah - I've got to go "outside" [12:11] i still have a dual screen screensaver bug since forever :( [12:12] usually have to typoe password in blindly [12:12] kinda bad when irc sessions might be in focus [12:12] * TheOpenSourcerer thinks a walk to the chippy might be in order. [12:12] * popey has beans on toast [12:14] mungbean: yeah, for some reason I've not got that right now [12:14] think its nividia related [12:14] but, excitingly, sometimes the box for the password doesn't appear. I get a mouse pointer that can only move in a small bit of the screen, and need to type blindly to get it to let me in [12:15] ah, I'm on Intel [12:15] but that would explain it disappearing when I got rid of my old desktop... [12:17] launchpad doesn't seem to show a list of bugs that you have "me too'd" [12:18] aren't they added to the subscribed list? [12:21] #848562 [12:21] bug 848562 [12:21] bug 848562 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell lock screen does not display password prompt" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848562 [12:21] not exactly it actually [12:21] cos my screen doesn't wake up [12:21] unless u type the password [12:22] seems to be ancient bug [12:22] affecting nvidia proprietary [12:23] also maybe not a unity bug but gnome-shell-ish [12:24] bug 998735 [12:24] bug 998735 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Light blue screen on primary monitor when waking up from inactivity" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/998735 [12:27] wtf [12:27] why did it have to start chucking it down just before I was about to head out on the bike? >:| [12:32] I shouldn't really be eating dough nuts for lunch [12:32] * bigcalm grumbles at himself [12:33] * Laney grimaces and heads out into asid rain [12:33] said (acid?) [12:35] Assiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid [12:35] * bigcalm heads out into the lashing rain [12:36] can't seem to install/cmopile gnome-screensaver 3.4.4 without installing massive loads of junk :( [12:38] why do you want gnome-screensaver? it doesn't do anything [12:38] oh, it blanks the screen I guess [12:38] and is buggy [12:38] locks the screen [12:40] if i can get xscreensaver working with the zuper-L shortcut and the desktop shortcut then i would be happy instead [12:48] oh. i'm using nouveau. wonder how long i've been doing that for? [12:48] probably since about the time you started having loads of problems [12:49] there is a way to get affecting bugs from launchpad [12:49] think i've aalways had problems :( [12:50] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~/+affectingbugs [12:51] oh thanks, i never noticed the column on the right [12:52] bug 1140716 is a serious one [12:52] bug 1140716 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "[regression] 3.5.0-26-generic and 3.2.0-39-generic GPU hangs on Sandybridge" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1140716 [12:52] i have 200 affecting bugs of which 14 have been fixed [12:52] can't believe it affects so many kernels [12:52] i have similar experience with fixes [12:53] mind you, in the early days, a lot were gwibber related [12:53] so there were never gonna get fixed [12:53] most of my bugs are in the default applications [12:54] ie unity, compiz, pulseaudio. stuff that we are constantly told how good it is and how it is so much better than what we had before [12:54] nobody has proven to me yet that scrapping everything and rewriting again ever fixes the bugs [12:55] just get new bugs [13:01] also, when gnome-screenshot runs, i get no subsequent pop up to save my screenshot === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:20] mungbean: that is correct, it now saves automatically [13:20] full screen that is [13:22] ah, where's that? [13:22] i'd rather print screen just runs shutter, but don't know how [13:24] the nook is an interesting device [13:24] cheap and rootable [13:25] nook simple? [13:25] yes [13:25] interested to hear usefulnes and specs [13:26] you can root it and install other apps from the market, including kindle, and other ebook reader apps [13:26] making it a kinda ultimate e-reader [13:26] chuck dropbox on it and you can get your files easily to it [13:26] performance? [13:27] seems okay, by ereader standards [13:27] £30 still? [13:27] yes [13:27] bought too much stuff lately [13:27] got a 2nd hand wii fit yesterday [13:27] my son playing it is hilarious [13:27] the jogging game [13:28] ali1234: alt-printscrn does the current window -> pictures [13:28] why did they remove teh helpful "copy onto clipboard"screen [13:32] same reason they removed everything else [13:32] insanity [13:32] nook has e-ink display? [13:33] http://shutter-project.org/faq-help/set-shutter-as-the-default-screenshot-tool/ [13:33] cos i am quite happy with nexus 7 as e-reader [13:33] yes, and basic touch [13:33] the less good touch [13:33] but the backlight is a bit annoying for reading [13:34] i turn my tablet to zero backlight [13:34] and night mode [13:34] it's just enough [13:34] zero = still a bit [13:37] seems the new gnome keyboard settings don't allow you to create your own shortcut [13:37] can it be true? [13:40] bloomin thunder [13:40] sprinkles of rain here, nothing major yet. [13:43] mungbean: you using gnome shell or something? [13:44] elementary [13:44] wonder if they removed it [13:44] (or didn't add it yet) [13:45] i wish gimp had adjustment layers and layer groups :( [13:46] ali1234: code it :p [13:47] they've been coding it for about 8 years now [13:47] lol yes sounds about right [13:47] it's supposed to be in gimp 3.2 [13:48] so about another 4 years [13:48] lol [13:48] it would probably be easier for me to write a whole graphics app from scratch, than try to work with gimp source [13:49] does KDE have a high end paint program? [13:49] maybe i should just buy photoshop :( [13:49] not high end [13:49] more like PSP [13:49] doesn't 2.8 have layer groups? [13:50] PSP is roughly feature parity with gimp these days [13:50] ah yes it does have groups [13:50] but since there's no adjustment layers, making a group is pointless as you can't do anything with it [13:51] ali1234: photoshop ;) [13:51] krita is the KDE one [13:51] good lord [13:51] I got d-r-e-n-c-h-e-d [13:52] rainy laney? [13:53] xcf2png doesn't support layer groups anyway [13:54] except apparently it does [13:54] it just says it doesn't but it works anyway [13:55] thats the best way [13:55] oh it doesn't really quite work properly [13:55] you get two copies of everything, one from the merged layer group and one from the individual layers [13:57] it's close though, i could probably fix it [13:57] woot, kindle app on a nook ☻ [13:57] http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/04/pentagon-study-finds-beards-directly-proportional-to-combat-effectiveness/ [14:00] *may be satire [14:01] cleartext has screwed my laptop [14:02] and no way to restore defaults! [14:06] popey: nice. What's it like to use beyond as an e-reader? [14:10] exactly as you'd expect, an android device with slow screen update [14:10] how compare with kindle basic? [14:12] colleague is having software problems on his nook [14:12] trying to run android on it etc [14:12] i do believe there is a cyanogenmod port to it? [14:13] i haven't flashed mine, just rooted it and added the marketplace and other apps [14:13] you can go to play.google.com and send apps to the device [14:13] and you retain the original nook functionality too === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:53] * Laney smells of wet dog [14:54] ewwwwww [14:54] * Laney sits next to brobostigon [14:54] GET A LOAD OF THIS [14:54] ewwwwwwwwww and runs [14:54] * Laney dries his feet on the fire [14:54] * brobostigon kicks Laney up the bum. [14:56] behave you too, unless you let me play as well. === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:56] * brobostigon lets MooDoo join in. [14:56] yay [15:15] anyone know anything about fcgi? :( [15:15] Monotoko: a little [15:16] mgdm, any idea why it would dump a html file out as raw html, as opposed to a page? [15:17] (still trying to figure out what's calling this system error... as far as I can see, it's just a die()) [15:18] when you say 'html file' do you mean 'php' [15:18] ? [15:25] bah adobe [15:25] opened up a pdf and it said if you dont have the latest udpate, this message won't go away [15:25] but I'm sure it was up to date [15:26] adobe?!?!?! [15:26] czajkowski: there's your problem :P [15:28] mgdm, no perl sorry [15:29] I can't find the source file :( [16:08] Monotoko: is it rendering the HTML and serving it with a mimetype of text? [16:08] or is is serving up your source code that should be executed to generate the html? [16:09] AlanBell, I've found the source htm file in the code... and I think this line of perl may be the culprit... $c->response->content_type('text/html; charset=utf-8'); [16:10] so it looks like it's serving with a html mimetype to me... [16:10] \o/ perl [16:10] but that's a *bad* way to set the response charset ;) [16:13] I've only been here a week :P [16:14] I'm a sysadmin... but apparently the job involves a large amount of perl... coded by a guy who left months ago :) - oh and I don't know anything about perl :( [16:16] Monotoko: that's *one of* the bad ways to... [16:17] er, that was aimed at MartijnVdS [16:17] * BigRedS is a sysadmin whose job is partly to fix Perl not touched in ten years [16:19] poor BigRedS [16:19] nobody should be tasked with fixing perl, let alone perl that's ten years untouched! [16:20] diddledan: I work on a 15-year old Perl codebase daily [16:20] diddledan: though we've brought it up to modern standards mostly [16:20] (but not completely) [16:20] ouch [16:20] but then I guess I still have to support IE6 in my job [16:21] and that doesn't even have the option of being brought up to modern standards [16:21] legacy sucks [16:21] MartijnVdS: turns out that when you complain that it's all old and unmaintained you're basically asking to be given the job of maintaining it [16:22] lol [16:22] It's actually really quite interesting/fun - I'm spending a lot of time thinking about why I do things the way I do [16:22] and why I don't do them the way this guy did them :) [16:22] BigRedS: we work on a combination of "you touched it last" and "you wrote it [15 years ago]" [16:22] diddledan, nah it's not 10 years untouched thankfully... they're working on bringing jquery and dojo up to date right now I believe [16:22] which is causing the perl to complain [16:22] a lot [16:23] MartijnVdS: a lot of the code I work on was written by Anon [16:23] so.. what would normally be the reason for a page coming through as raw text? [16:23] Monotoko: wrong mime type [16:23] oh yeah, have you checked what headers you're getting? libwww-perl gives you the HEAD command which you can use to get the HTTP HEAD of a document [16:24] HEAD http://example.org/page.pl [16:24] curl -I ;) [16:24] let me try [16:24] because H was already something (help?) [16:25] most likely... installing curl on this dev box now... [16:25] MartijnVdS: it adds a header, IIRC [16:25] ahha [16:25] mgdm: ah yes, a request header :) [16:25] it's coming through as text/plain [16:25] need to keep "request" headers and "response" headers apart! [16:25] now I need to figure out why... [16:25] Monotoko: is the header the first thing that the perl script attempts to send? [16:26] AlanBell: "$c" indicates "context" indicates a web framework [16:26] Which makes the order sort-of irrelevant [16:27] yeah it is... template toolkit I believe [16:27] maybe [16:27] although I've possibly just found the culprit [16:27] Monotoko: nah, that's not a web framework, just the template engine [16:27] Monotoko: framework is something like Catalyst or Dancer [16:27] Catalyst, aye [16:27] that rings a bell... and yeah, I'm way above my expertise here [16:28] Monotoko: what happens if you run it in stand-alone debug mode? [16:28] you should be able to see all requests (and their responses) on the command line then [16:28] well, in your terminal [16:29] Monotoko: irc.perl.org, #catalyst might also help :) [16:30] MartijnVdS, I will have a look tomorrow... how do I put it into standalone debug mode? This is the first time I've been given a perl task >.> [16:30] typically I've been thrown right in [16:31] but that's the way to learn I suppose... the sysadmin who's leaving in 10 days left two hours ago and won't be back until tomorrow [16:31] * awilkins recoils in distaste at the idea of Perl [16:31] Monotoko: there's "catalyst.pl" you can point at a directory [16:31] Monotoko: catalyst.pl Hello [16:31] Monotoko: https://metacpan.org/module/Catalyst::Manual::Tutorial::02_CatalystBasics [16:31] thank you [16:31] awilkins: Perl is becoming less crufty [16:32] this place used to have two sysadmins... one who's been here 9 years who's leaving very soon... and one who left months ago who's been here since the early 90's [16:32] god only knows what fun this is going to have in store for me [16:33] lots of fun! [16:34] and learning opportunities! [16:34] the one who's been here since the early 90's wrote most of the perl... apparently horribly, according to Simon (the one who's leaving..) [16:34] Monotoko: A sysadmin named 'Simon'? [16:34] Hmm. To a degree everyone thinks everyone elses code is horrible in my exp. [16:34] Monotoko: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastard_Operator_From_Hell ;) [16:34] Simon Travalgia [16:35] MartijnVdS, aye and yeah... I knew it'd be a bit of a jump, from a part time student PHP developer to full time sysadmin [16:35] Monotoko: was the other admin 'Stephen'? [16:35] As long as it's a bit of a jump in pay [16:36] Monotoko: Perl is just PHP done right [16:36] the starting salary is enough to live on... works out to about £10/h, not much but the boss said it's because I'm inexperianced atm and we'll review it soon [16:36] and MartijnVdS, he was called Merlin [16:36] Monotoko: a real wiz, right? [16:36] I just think of a wizard [16:36] :P [16:36] Beard? Sandals? Proper Unix dude? [16:37] I dunno... I've never seen him, he left months ago :P [16:37] the only thing I'm going to have is his apparently bastardised code [16:37] so I'm sure I will be cursing him to hell and back within the next few weeks [16:39] ... do I have to run the makefile if I make a little change to the perl? -.- [16:40] Monotoko: no, but you might have to restart the program [16:40] aye I've restarted apache... [16:44] hmm, well I'm off - il try to look at it again tonight [16:44] a lot to learn [16:44] Monotoko: sounds like a fun job :) [16:44] ta-ra o/ === Dave is now known as Dave2 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|life [18:09] why is windows playing a ringtone at me? [18:09] i can't find any indication of what it's for [18:09]