[00:13] <snap-l> howdy. :)
[00:31] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_display_manager_(program_type)
[01:40] <snap-l> http://www.baenebooks.com/p-481-young-miles.aspx
[01:41] <snap-l> http://www.baenebooks.com/p-278-miles-errant.aspx
[01:41] <snap-l> Also, that not being currently available: fuck that.
[02:58] <rick_h> snap-l: https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2f3uho6gzrlwhg/2013-06-12%2022.27.08.jpg
[03:03] <snap-l> Geeez
[03:03] <snap-l> rick_h: That's a lot of stiff
[03:03] <rick_h> so yea, first words out of my wife "what did you order?!"
[03:03] <rick_h> :)
[03:03] <snap-l> Also, dog eye glow = A+
[03:03] <rick_h> I should take a pic of it sitting ont he dining table
[03:03] <rick_h> unpacked and all
[03:05] <rick_h> got one of these at meijer today for our outside toy deck box http://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-1500iD-Combination-Assorted/dp/B002TSN4SQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1371092683&sr=8-2&keywords=master+lock+speed+dial
[03:05] <rick_h> kind of cool
[03:05] <rick_h> wouldn't trust my giant bars of gold with it, but for a box of balls and bats it's neat/simple
[03:05] <snap-l> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9058804/cryoburn.iso.gz
[03:05] <snap-l> Has versions of all of the Lois McMaster Bujold books
[10:31] <snap-l> Good morning
[10:37] <brousch> Maybe. I woke up at 4am from coughing and have been up since then. However I feel better since coughing up a nasty lugie
[10:43] <snap-l> um, yay?
[10:46] <brousch> Maybe I've turned the corner on this cold
[10:51] <snap-l> If it's anything like the allergies JoDee's been fighting, you'll need to see a doc to help make that happen
[10:51] <snap-l> she's been miserable for weeks now
[10:51] <snap-l> I'd like to think it's the allergies and not me. ;)
[10:54] <brousch> LinkedIn endorsements crack me up
[10:54] <brousch> People I barely know are endorsing me for RoR
[10:55] <snap-l> brousch: Maybe they know future-you. ;)
[10:55] <snap-l> Or alternate universe you.
[10:58] <brousch> Would alternate universe brousch use RoR or C#?
[10:59] <snap-l> There's plenty of alternate universes to have you using both
[10:59] <snap-l> heck, maybe even inventing both. ;)
[13:12] <snap-l> JoDee measured 1.9 inches of rain in our rain gauge.
[13:12] <jjesse> wow
[13:12] <jjesse> we got hardly any at my house
[13:12] <rick_h> got a bunch here
[13:12] <snap-l> Yeah, and it was still raining when she took the measurement
[13:16] <snap-l> jjesse: I think the cells formed as they moved across the state
[13:18] <jjesse> my phone went off with an emergency alert
[13:18] <jjesse> about thee storms
[13:18]  * rick_h feels like in college again... picked up a fluke multi-meter and having flashbacks to my awful Physics2 college class watching youtube videos about using it
[13:18] <jjesse> and then it was biscally nothing
[13:18] <brousch> jjesse: I'm surprised. There was a lot at 401 Hall St and by my house
[13:18] <jjesse> lot of lightining in alger heights, some rain at 11pm but by 11:15 or so it was over
[13:18] <brousch> rick_h: How the heck did you have youtube in college?
[13:19] <rick_h> brousch: :P
[13:19] <jjesse> brousch, it took him a loooooong time to get through college :)
[13:45] <snap-l> rick_h: Did you just pick that up on a lark, or was that part of the camping "plan"?
[13:56] <rick_h> snap-l: part of the camping plan :) need to be able to check wiring and the batteries on the camper
[13:56] <rick_h> snap-l: but I've kind of always wanted one for house stuff and the like
[13:56] <brousch> Going camping? Don't forget your multimeter!
[13:56] <rick_h> While I'm kind of handy in some ways, and can do really basic wiring stuff around the house, my electrical chops are weak
[13:57] <rick_h> brousch: definitely! part of the standard toolbag
[13:57] <jjesse> which is why "camping" for me = fully furnished cabin
[13:57] <brousch> Must be a bag of holding
[13:57] <rick_h> http://www.generalrv.com/inventory/286100/New-2014-Jayco-Jay-Feather-Ultra-Lite-X23B.aspx
[13:58] <brousch> jjesse++
[14:04] <jrwren_> what model fluke did you get?
[14:04] <jrwren_> I think our parent  company also  owns fluke.
[14:07] <rick_h> I grabbed this one http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000O3LUEI/ref=oh_details_o01_s03_i05?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[14:07] <rick_h> highest end model of the low end stuff
[14:10] <jrwren_> wow, nice!
[14:10] <jrwren_> i went and got a $25 craftsman when I needed a meter :)
[14:15] <rick_h> yea, I was looking at some of the other things for the $30-$50 range but I've wanted to get a fluke since I was back in engineering school.
[14:15] <rick_h> and already encouraging me to try to figure out more to do with it than just check the V in my batteries
[14:16] <rick_h> lol https://plus.google.com/104919222657565747428/posts/88WaWhpSdCU
[14:16] <brousch> rick_h: It's kind of funny. I wouldn't have known what a multimeter was if 2 kids hadn't been playing with one at the GRMakers meeting last night
[14:17] <jjesse> ubuntu tablet eh?
[14:17] <snap-l> that Fluke looks similar to the Triplett model I have, though smaller.
[14:17] <rick_h> brousch: orly? Man, when I was in college I kept looking forward to the classes with the cool kids hooking up oscilloscopes and such
[14:17] <rick_h> but left and change degrees before I got there
[14:17] <brousch> I didn't get that far in CS/EECS
[14:18] <brousch> I'm just starting to pick it up now thanks to GRMakers
[14:18] <rick_h> very cool
[14:18] <rick_h> yea, I need to hang around people and pick some of this stuff up. Youtube will have to do for now
[14:20] <jrwren_> i hear ya. Fluke is the best for sure. I just was not willing to spend the $$$ when I was at sears and all those cheap meters were staring at me.
[14:20] <jrwren_> I've been happy with my cheap one.
[14:21] <rick_h> yea, I cheat my brain. "Search amamzon for fluke multi-meter...well this one isn't the most expensive or least expensive"
[14:21] <jrwren_> brousch: haven't you ever done any repairs on electrical system where you needed a meter?
[14:22] <brousch> No. I have avoided hardware below the card or chip replacement level
[14:22] <brousch> I soldered once
[14:22] <jrwren_> but I mean home things.
[14:22] <rick_h> yea, I've got a bunch of outlet testers and such for common household things. Haven't really *needed* a meter
[14:22] <jrwren_> like elecrical on an appliance.
[14:23] <jrwren_> i use my MM to do outlet testing :)
[14:23] <brousch> I just use my tongue
[14:23] <jrwren_> I picked it up so I could check current flow on my electric water heater. it was very useful.
[14:23] <rick_h> yea, the $20 three prong tester with three lights on it was easier/cheaper
[14:23] <jrwren_> brousch: on 120v that sounds very painful. on 240v it sounds insane
[14:23] <brousch> Now you know where my hair went
[14:24] <jrwren_> definitely easier. not much cheaper than my $25 MM :)
[14:24] <rick_h> woot! 220 in the garage for my bandsaw
[14:24] <jrwren_> you ran 220 there?
[14:24] <rick_h> I had it done because I wasn't sure about what needed to be done there. I have a 40A subpanel in the garage already
[14:25] <rick_h> so they just ran me a 200 line witha single plug for the bandsaw
[14:25] <rick_h> I hadn't messed with anything non-110 so was nervous about DIY
[14:25] <jrwren_> ah, nice. I'd love to run 240 to mine, but I look out how thick that copper is and I really don't want to route that myself.
[14:26] <jrwren_> understood, plus its not like it is just 120 but more, its phased differently, right?
[14:27] <rick_h> well, honestly, it was the plugs that threw me off more than anything lol. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=220+plug+wire+end&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3A220+plug+wire+end
[14:27] <jrwren_> ha!
[14:27] <rick_h> it's all different per Amps I guess. Camper is the same. Has 30A built in but you have to have different dogbones to go to a 50A or 15A
[14:28] <rick_h> but for me it was like "wtf...I just want a 200 plug for my bandsaw when it arrives. Why is this so complicated?
[14:28] <rick_h>  /200/220
[14:28] <jrwren_> right.
[14:28] <jrwren_> and most of those are 240 :)
[14:28] <rick_h> right
[14:28] <jrwren_> just like we still call it 110, but us service has been 120 for a very long time now
[14:28] <rick_h> yep
[14:29] <jrwren_> the thing I don't grok about 240v service is the 2 hot lines. I guess that EE part of my degree isn't very good ;)
[14:30] <rick_h> yea, well that's how they get it up there. so it's 4-wire I think and they run a hot onto two breakers.
[14:30] <rick_h> I thought they'd need to pull something new to my sub panel from my main panel to get me the 220, but they just wired it straight up to a new breaker that's 30A
[14:31] <jrwren_> its probably already 220 to the subpanel
[14:31] <snap-l> jrwren_: That's what cracks me up about Electricians vs EEs.
[14:31] <jrwren_> snap-l: oh, me too!
[14:31] <snap-l> It's like the difference between Fluid Dynamics and Plumbing. ;)
[14:31] <jrwren_> err wait, I don't have any part of an EE degree. CS/CE, LOL
[14:33] <snap-l> Yeah, CS is just useless. ;)
[14:34] <rick_h> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cgtdv057hvdkb6k/2013-06-13%2010.31.52.jpg jrwren_ yea, I had a guy that's a general handyman from the woodworking group help me out when I first ran that subpanel out to the garage
[14:34] <rick_h> so yea, it's got dual 110 up there into the box, then A/B are my normal outlets on two diff 20A runs. Then the sqD is the 20A 220 for the bandsaw dedicated outlet. The bottom two are not hooked up to anything. Just there for future expandsion
[14:35] <snap-l>  Honestly, when it comes to home wiring I want someone who can pass an inspection doing the job
[14:35] <snap-l> Not going to cheap out
[14:35] <rick_h> yea, erica freaks out when I touch electrical. She had a heart attack when I installed the child-proof outlets around the house lol
[14:35] <snap-l> I don't need someone releasing the magic smoke in my walls
[14:36] <snap-l> Those are fine, but running 240 through the house is a different matter
[14:36] <rick_h> right
[14:36] <rick_h> yea, I didn't do this myself for sure.
[14:36] <rick_h> once the box was in place thogh I ran the wiring/outlets through the garage
[14:36] <rick_h> that's easy stuff
[14:36] <snap-l> right
[14:37] <jrwren_> for basic 120v home wiring, I'll do it myself. its damned easy.
[14:38] <jrwren_> i'm of the opinion that I can try anything a couple times, and if it requires more skill or i just hate it, i'll pay someone else
[14:38] <rick_h> +1
[14:38] <rick_h> and I'm one of those sucky customers that wants to look over their shoulder as they do it so I can learn :)
[14:38] <snap-l> heh
[14:39] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm not going to pay someone to install a light switch
[14:39] <brousch> rick_h: I think they don't mind if you're friendly while you do it
[14:39] <snap-l> They get really mad if you try dry humping their leg, though
[14:39] <snap-l> just FYI
[14:40] <brousch> TIL
[14:40] <jrwren_> me too! I had a guy running a gas line for me, working black pipe, and I just said "don't mind me, I want to watch"
[14:43] <brousch> Would've been better: "I like to watch"
[14:45] <snap-l> alternately "it's been a while since anyone has been down here. Y'know, since 'the incident'".
[14:45] <snap-l> "The voices like you"
[14:45] <snap-l> "I like you"
[15:08] <jrwren_> mental note: never allow snap-l into my home :)
[15:29] <greg-g> jrwren_: oh you poor soul
[15:37] <jrwren_> https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1  looks SWEET!
[15:37] <jrwren_> still not as small as a mac book air, but looks to be the best linux ultra i've seen.
[15:38] <greg-g> http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-398_8njq.pdf
[15:38] <greg-g> here's one link I have http://www.pubpat.org/ampsctdecision.htm
[15:38] <greg-g> yay
[15:38] <rick_h> jrwren_: yea, 4# isn't ultra-light imo
[15:38] <rick_h> really not a fan of that build look
[15:38] <jrwren_> nor I
[15:39] <rick_h> 1080p though!
[15:39] <rick_h> but a 14" screen :/
[15:39] <rick_h> lots of ports love is cool
[15:39] <jrwren_> supreme court missed a huge opportunity here. they SHOULD have invalidated all patents on genes.
[15:40] <greg-g> jrwren_: yeah, agree, but at least all "natural" (or whatever) genes aren't patentable
[15:40] <greg-g> not just human
[15:40] <jrwren_> agreed, there is the "at least"
[15:41] <greg-g> :)
[15:52] <brousch> Galu does looks nice
[15:53] <brousch> Too bad I don't need a new computer yet
[15:54] <greg-g> I thought everyone who wanted a macbook air but not apple got the Dell XPS 13?
[15:54] <greg-g> too bad good ole "project sputnik" is having kernel issues :)
[15:55] <jrwren_> TIL: pep8 doesn't mandate a space between a quote and an and
[15:55] <jrwren_> if x == 'wow'and y == 'crazy':
[15:55] <rick_h> jrwren_: I expect a patch by EOD :)
[15:57] <brousch> mmmm, pegging all 4 cores now
[16:02] <brousch> Going to peg these suckers for 30-45mins
[16:02] <brousch> I hope it doesn't melt
[16:03] <greg-g> brousch: what you doing?
[16:04] <brousch> Converting 500 badly formatted 36"x48" PDFs to TIFF
[16:05] <brousch> I broke them into 4 pieces so I could run them in parallel
[16:05] <brousch> Lunch!
[16:48] <greg-g> so, there are now 3 extra kids in the house (2 two year old twins and 1 four year old). They're here half-time (their mom lives here now, split from dad). I feel bad, but I needed to put my headphones/RATM on to block out the noise today (working from home).
[16:51] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, when my wife/boy are home on thurs I head out of the house. Can't do it
[16:54]  * greg-g nods
[16:54] <greg-g> yeah, I might do that in a bit. Had my 9am call but it might be time for a coffee shop trip.
[16:54] <greg-g> but I'm enjoying air drumming to RATM right now ;)
[17:04] <jrwren_> i stopped working at home as soon as the girl could crawl, because she would crawl up to me and want to play.
[17:05] <brousch> That would be hard on the kid, too. Having to tell her it's not play time
[17:05] <brousch> Go away kid, Daddy is on his computer!
[17:07] <greg-g> yeah, it has been with Rowan. :/
[17:07] <greg-g> I dont' work from home much anymore (this is probably the first time since I started at WMF in Feb) so it isn't bad anymore
[17:07] <greg-g> but at CC I wfm Wed/Fri every week.
[17:07] <rick_h> I don't know. It's good for the boy imo. Same thing with cooking dinner. Sometimes he has to play while I cook on stuff. Sometimes he can participate in the cooking.
[17:08] <jrwren_> kids understand.
[17:08] <jrwren_> the thing is, I WANT to play with her :)
[17:08] <snap-l> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2013/06/13/a-bite-of-something-new/
[17:08] <snap-l> ^ Not unsurprising
[17:09] <greg-g> yeah, we got one of those "learning tower" things for the kitchen for cooking time. really helped out.
[17:09] <snap-l> Also, this batch of Supreme Court decisions is extremely surgical in their decisions
[17:10] <rick_h> yea, we let him climb up on a chair when it's something he can help with. Sometimes it's just boiling water and best to keep out.
[17:11] <jrwren_> i've never heard of learning tower.
[17:11] <greg-g> they're pretty neat
[17:11] <rick_h> yea, if Michael was younger I'd be all over it
[17:11] <rick_h> he's old enough now that just a chair works out ok.
[17:11] <greg-g> http://www.amazon.com/Little-Partners-Learning-Tower-Natural/dp/B001ECHXVC
[17:12] <greg-g> rick_h: how old is he now?
[17:12] <rick_h> greg-g: 3
[17:13] <jrwren_> ha! is that seriously just a step stool with sides just in case a kid falls?
[17:13] <jrwren_> a $200 step stool! wow.
[17:14] <snap-l> jrwren_: Not just any step stool; a step stool that has liability insurance tacked on for when the kid defeats the saftey.
[17:15] <snap-l> and all of the kid testing to pass all of the certifications
[17:15] <greg-g> jrwren_: we got ours used, only way to go with baby/kid stuff
[17:15] <greg-g> $40 I think, iirc
[17:16] <jrwren_> ah, cool.
[17:17] <snap-l> http://affotd.com/2012/12/12/americas-most-awesomely-dangerous-toys/
[17:24] <snap-l> The System76 laptop refresh seems nice.
[17:38] <brousch> ahahahah. I ran out of disk space from those conversions. Apparently imagemagick is creating a 1.2GB temp file for each PDF
[17:41] <greg-g> use vips
[17:41] <greg-g> seriously
[17:41] <greg-g> we're switching to it from imagemagick because it is better on ram/disk/cpu
[17:42] <greg-g> brousch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIPS_%28software%29
[17:48] <snap-l> Apparently JoDee's sense of smell is returning because she said Pixel dropped a deuce so bad they're clearing out Downtown Royal Oak.
[18:11] <snap-l> Well, that's a bit of a habit, now isn't it.
[18:11] <snap-l> logged into my machine, and instantly typed "irc".
[18:31] <brousch> Hm, I was wrong about the 1.2GB files. Apparently it was just the conversion of one specific file that created about 40 1.2GB files. Insane
[20:26] <jrwren_> what happened to her smell?
[20:36] <snap-l> jrwren_: She had allergies going pretty strong
[20:37] <snap-l> so she was having difficulty smelling / tasting things
[23:25] <jrwren_> wow, them is some bad allergies.