[05:35] <Squirm> morning
[06:52] <magespawn> good morning
[07:00] <Vince-0> haaui
[07:37] <Kilos> morning magespawn and others
[07:40] <magespawn> hey Kilos, sleeping late?
[07:41] <Kilos> sorry
[07:42] <magespawn> just asking if you were sleeping late, it is good ifbnot well
[07:43] <Kilos> ya just slept in somehow and then had to rush to get sheeps concentrates mixed
[07:43] <Kilos> so pc had to wait
[07:43] <magespawn> pc are good at that.
[07:44] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:45] <magespawn> they are not impatient at all, and sheep need attention
[07:45] <Kilos> yeah
[07:45] <Kilos> hyows things there magespawn ?
[07:46] <Kilos> how too
[07:46] <Kilos> ice in water here again
[07:46] <Kilos> sigh
[07:46] <magespawn> busy with a Department of Education meeting as a member of the SGB.
[07:47] <Kilos> ah well hear what they ngotta say
[07:51] <magespawn> does not bode well, was supposed to start at 09:00
[07:52] <Kilos> oh my
[08:13] <charl> good morning
[08:13] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:13]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:17] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:17] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:17] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[08:18] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:23] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:28] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos
[08:28] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[08:31] <Vince-0> haai
[08:31] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[08:37] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[08:37] <charl> hi Kilos 
[08:38] <charl> sorry connection dropped... seems like ipv6 on the wifi here is unstable
[08:38] <charl> it's a new thing though, they're probably still working on it
[08:38] <Kilos> can only get better
[08:40] <charl> Kilos: are you over the flu??
[08:41] <Kilos> nope charl but much better
[08:41] <charl> good to hear
[08:41] <Kilos> still the runny nose and cough
[08:41] <Kilos> ty
[08:41] <charl> i have a stomach bug that has been bothering me for the last month
[08:41] <charl> it isn't serious but it just doesn't seem to want to leave
[08:42] <charl> i need to go to a meeting, bbl
[11:01] <Kilos> hi tonberryE352  superfly 
[11:05] <magespawn> Hey Kilos, looks like the net is still sick.
[11:06] <Kilos> yip
[11:11] <Kilos> is it twitter thats blocked the clients from working there 
[11:11] <Kilos> what would be the reason for that
[11:12] <Kilos> i wonder if that guy got the grub prob fixed
[11:12] <Kilos> shame
[11:14] <magespawn> we can only hope so
[11:14] <magespawn> yes twitter on their side stopped the version 1 access
[11:14] <Kilos> swines
[11:18] <magespawn> there could be all sorts of reasons for that
[11:20] <Kilos> i see there a new twitter app called birdie
[11:21] <Kilos> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/new-linux-twitter-app-birdie
[11:22] <Kilos> just havent found when they said it was new yet
[11:23] <magespawn> might be worth a try
[11:24] <Kilos> looking at it now
[11:24] <magespawn> do not usually us the pc for that sort of thing, do it all through the phone and tablet
[11:24] <magespawn> how is this for a dodgy site? http://getofficesuite.com/join.php
[11:24] <Kilos> arent there probs from them too
[11:25] <Kilos> you opening it with windows
[11:25] <Kilos> anything not ms based is dodgy to them
[11:27] <magespawn> if you see that logo in the top left, that is the open office logo
[11:34] <Kilos> but we libreoffice now
[11:34] <Kilos> openoffice is old
[11:34] <magespawn> i have clicked through to the payment area and it is actually for a product called novus office standard
[11:35] <Kilos> WAYTTD
[11:35] <Kilos> hehe
[11:35] <Kilos> first time ive used that
[11:35] <magespawn> WAYTTD
[11:35] <Kilos> what are you trying to do
[11:35] <Kilos> hehe
[11:41] <magespawn> lol
[11:41] <magespawn> i got an email, and thought i would check it out
[11:43] <Kilos> ah
[11:44] <Kilos> birdie connects now i gotta figure where to type
[11:47] <Kilos> yay magespawn birdie works but can only accept one account at the moment, they are still developing it
[11:49] <magespawn> cool Kilos
[11:49] <Kilos> aw it crashed
[11:50] <Kilos> all gone
[11:50] <Kilos> sigh
[11:54] <Kilos> restarts easy enough
[11:58] <magespawn> they are still working on it
[12:06] <Kilos> yeah
[12:06] <Kilos> at least it gets in
[12:10] <magespawn> pick up kids time bbl
[12:10] <Kilos> k
[12:12]  * Squirm looks around
[12:12]  * Squirm yawns
[12:13] <Kilos> lo there tired one
[12:57] <Squirm> meh
[12:58] <Squirm> so now I hear Google is giving websites with no mobile site a lower score :/
[12:58] <Kilos> everything is pointing mobile direction methinks
[12:58] <Kilos> more mobiles than pcs already im sure
[13:08] <magespawn> hey all
[13:22] <Kilos> hi  magespawn 
[13:24] <charl> good afternoon
[13:25] <Kilos> hi charl 
[13:25] <charl> hi Kilos 
[13:25] <charl> hi magespawn, Squirm 
[13:25] <magespawn> hi charl
[13:25] <charl> Squirm: google mobile search prioritises what it believes to be mobile websites, that's an old thing
[13:26] <charl> Squirm: as for the rest, don't believe rumors, it's these seo-douchebags that keep going with it
[13:26] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[13:26]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[13:26] <charl> i am really thirsty, been working too hard
[13:27] <charl> been doing some cool stuff with w3c dom in java and apache commons httpcomponents
[13:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[13:34] <magespawn> charl details or links
[13:47] <Kilos> magespawn, of any interest to you?
[13:47] <Kilos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad-Aware
[13:48] <magespawn> will have a look
[13:48] <charl> magespawn: ???
[13:48] <charl> sorry was busy writing a mail there
[13:49] <magespawn> no worries, was just interested in what you said namely been doing some cool stuff with w3c dom in java and apache commons httpcomponents
[13:49] <charl> oh sorry, that
[13:49] <charl> 1 sec
[13:50] <charl> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/org/w3c/dom/package-summary.html
[13:50] <charl> http://hc.apache.org/
[13:50] <charl> sorry it's no longer part of apache commons, to correct myself
[13:51] <magespawn> ty charl
[13:51] <charl> it comes from apache commons httpclient
[13:51] <charl> np
[13:52] <magespawn> Kilos that is not one that that i have used before, but it uses the avira engine which i have seen before
[13:52] <Kilos> ah
[13:54] <Kilos> i liked the bit that it does malware spyware and virus
[13:54] <Kilos> if it actually does that is
[13:58] <Kilos> poor windows peeps
[13:58] <Kilos> what a life
[14:02] <charl> i run win8 inside a VM, mainly for office and one or two other applications
[14:02] <charl> i just let security essentials do its job and don't worry about it further
[14:02] <charl> but if i ever get problems with it, it would be trivial to revert to an earlier snapshot or even reinstall
[14:03] <charl> if you don't run IE as your default browser, don't install from untrusted sources, and have good server-side email filtering, there is minimal chances of getting malware on your pc
[14:04] <charl> the rest is just unnecessary worrying
[14:24] <Kilos> tell that to the peeps with crashed pcs
[14:24] <Kilos> hehe
[14:25] <Kilos> thank heavens for ubuntu
[14:26] <charl> well if you install random binaries on ubuntu you might also end up with some malware
[14:27] <charl> but the chances are minimal
[14:27] <charl> most malware authors target the most popular platforms, windows #1 and osx #2
[14:27] <charl> most popular desktop platforms, i should say
[14:27] <charl> if gnu/linux was a popular desktop operating system it would have been targeted too
[14:27] <charl> mostly only linux-based servers are targeted though
[14:28] <charl> because it's probably the world's #1 server o/s
[14:28] <charl> oh and android-based phones
[14:29] <Kilos> oh my them too
[14:31] <Kilos> i actually find IE on win7 much better than the old ones
[14:32] <Kilos> give the devil his due, they have improved some
[14:42] <charl> i still would not use IE for the life of me, but you are correct, it has improved
[14:46] <charl> it is so bad they actually made a self-ridiculing site http://www.browseryoulovedtohate.com/
[14:46] <charl> hen they replaced it with a new campaign http://www.beautyoftheweb.com/
[14:47] <charl> however their market share continues to drop http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
[14:48] <charl> chrome continues to rise and all other browsers continue to fall, google is taking over the web
[14:52] <Kilos> can someone explain this http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=59975
[14:53] <Kilos> is it on cells only the free bit
[15:00] <charl> "This morning, at G-South Africa, in Cape Town, 8ta announced “Free Zone powered by Google” - a service that gives people access to mobile Web search and feature-phone-friendly versions of Gmail and Google+ with zero data charges."
[15:01] <charl> mobile web search is the mobile site
[15:01] <magespawn> i think it was anything that used an 8ta sim like a tablet or phone but not for the modem on a pc
[15:01] <charl> typically only accessible from a mobile web browser like the type you have on a mobile phone
[15:01] <charl> yup that makes sense magespawn 
[15:02] <magespawn> and it was only the search and the first linked page of the search
[15:02] <charl> you could perhaps fool it by using a mobile web browser inside an android emulator (for example) on a tethered pc
[15:02] <magespawn> maybe you could past it if you could get a mobile browser on the pc
[15:02] <charl> no guarantees though
[15:02] <magespawn> lol
[15:03] <charl> they say great minds think alike magespawn :)
[15:03] <charl> not sure about dumb ones though :(
[15:03] <charl> it also seems to count for mobile apps
[15:03] <magespawn> indeed, they also say something else, that slips my mind at the moment
[15:03] <magespawn> hah
[15:04] <charl> i don't know how they calculate the billing, it's hard to know how they differentiate unless you have technical knowlege of the implementation
[15:05] <charl> have an outrageously good evening all :)
[15:05] <Kilos> ya man nokias use opera
[15:24] <Kilos> hey magespawn we min here man
[15:31] <magespawn> yup 31 
[15:32] <magespawn> 30
[15:32] <magespawn> oops
[15:32] <Kilos> ai!
[15:33] <Kilos> maybe ill get G+ free if i use opera then i can go there
[15:33] <Kilos> hehe
[15:33] <Kilos> here be more info
[15:34] <magespawn> Kilos: not sure if that would work, i think is only google search
[15:34] <Kilos> http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2012/11/13/got-an-8ta-sim-card-you-now-get-free-web-access-with-google/
[15:34] <Kilos> they say in there the g+ is a free thing too
[15:35] <Kilos> and the internet seems to recognise opera as a mobile browser
[15:36] <Kilos> maybe you gotta join their freezone first
[15:36]  * Kilos looks
[15:37] <Kilos> Share and search on your phone with no data charges
[15:37] <magespawn> sounds like a deal
[15:37] <Kilos> but no english the apart from philipines and sri lanka
[15:37] <Kilos> grrr
[15:39] <Kilos> which of them is close to za english
[15:39] <Kilos> i also want free data and all
[15:41] <Kilos> wont work thats for location
[15:41] <Kilos> grrr
[15:52] <magespawn> not sure Kilos, experiment
[15:53] <magespawn> i am off home, later
[15:53] <Kilos> go safe magespawn 
[15:54] <Kilos> ended up at my broadband but dont understand their random question
[15:54] <Kilos> Please give the name and surname in the following list which are the odd ones out (sample answer like: Johan Pretorius): Akhona, Buhle, Celiwe, Diliza, Entla, Fundani, Gabhaza, Hloniphile, Isiwelwa, Jabulile, Khwezi, Louis, Mangaliso, Neziswa, Othembela, Phaphama, Qedusizi, Reneilwe, Schoeman, Thonjeni, Unathile, Veliswa, Wonga, Xabaquba, Yawilweca, Zondlile
[15:55] <Kilos> ah maybe now
[15:56] <Kilos> i dont read to well
[15:57] <Kilos> what a schlep
[17:02] <inetpro> good evening
[17:03] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[17:03] <Kilos> birdie works
[17:04] <inetpro> Kilos: good for you
[17:04] <Kilos> ty
[17:05] <inetpro> but it sounds like an old thing that I tried some time ago
[17:05] <Kilos> will use till you say choqok is working
[17:05] <Kilos> its still under developement so i dunno
[17:05] <Kilos> no frills they say
[17:06] <inetpro> Kilos, magespawn: that g+ 8ta freezone thing is no more
[17:06] <inetpro> look at the date
[17:07] <inetpro> then read the later date story at: http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/79371-free-zone-powered-by-google-is-no-more.html
[17:07] <Kilos> ai!
[17:07] <Kilos> i got to the mybroadband thing and waiting for a confirm email
[17:07] <Kilos> grrr
[17:07] <inetpro> it was stupid to start with anyway
[17:08] <Kilos> aw its gone?
[17:08]  * inetpro wbb
[17:08] <Kilos> oh well
[17:40] <Squirm> lo
[17:41] <Kilos> hi
[17:45] <Kilos> wb Xethron 
[17:58] <Kilos> whew its cold again
[18:57] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:17] <zeref> o0o0
[19:18] <zeref> herro ubuntu-za
[19:25] <inetpro> good evening zeref
[19:41] <superfly> ohi zeref
[19:56] <inetpro> superfly: how are uou today?
[19:56] <inetpro> you as well
[20:08] <superfly> inetpro: meh.
[20:09] <inetpro> hmm... whatever that means?
[20:10] <inetpro> sounds like you have lost the interwebs
[20:21] <zeref> whaoh
[20:21] <zeref> anybody tried wicket?
[20:25] <Butch_> What's that?
[20:25] <Butch_> Apache Wicket?