| littlegirl | Hey there. (: | 02:06 |
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| littlegirl | ahoneybun are you at keys? | 02:07 |
| ahoneybun | hello littlegirl :) | 02:07 |
| ahoneybun | what? | 02:07 |
| ahoneybun | at keys | 02:08 |
| ahoneybun | ? | 02:08 |
| littlegirl | You put the how-to line above the important line - you might want to switch those around. Also, did you and Valorie decide not to have the GUI (Muon) instructions in that section at all? | 02:08 |
| littlegirl | Ah, at keys is my way of saying at the keyboard. Sorry. (: | 02:08 |
| ahoneybun | lol | 02:08 |
| ahoneybun | I just removed the part dealing with the source.list | 02:09 |
| littlegirl | The part with Muon also got removed. If you do a diff you can see it. (: | 02:10 |
| littlegirl | I made sure and put GUI and command line instructions for everything, and there are now just command line instructions on that section. (: | 02:11 |
| littlegirl | Also, the "Add a PPA" subheading is gone from the "Managing Personal Package Archives" section. You might want to put that back as well. (: | 02:13 |
| ahoneybun | I don't see anything about muon on ppas | 02:13 |
| ahoneybun | I see | 02:14 |
| ahoneybun | check it now :) | 02:16 |
| smartboyhw | Hey guys:P | 02:18 |
| ahoneybun | smartboyhw: hey | 02:19 |
| smartboyhw | ahoneybun: How's docs? | 02:20 |
| ahoneybun | smartboyhw: coming along :) | 02:20 |
| smartboyhw | ;) | 02:20 |
| ahoneybun | https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs-saucy-salamander/518d39bc9433cf5507000173 | 02:20 |
| littlegirl | ahoneybun: Almost perfect. (: | 02:21 |
| ahoneybun | littlegirl: almost? | 02:22 |
| ahoneybun | smartboyhw: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs | 02:22 |
| littlegirl | ahoneybun: Now you got rid of Valorie's changes at the bottom. If you replace === Remove a PPA === and everything beneath it with http://paste.ubuntu.com/5763387/ then you'll put Valorie's changes back in. (: | 02:22 |
| ahoneybun | omg thanks | 02:23 |
| littlegirl | heh | 02:23 |
| littlegirl | She probably would have realized it and fetched them. (: | 02:23 |
| ahoneybun | littlegirl: but more work for her | 02:24 |
| * littlegirl nods at ahoneybun | 02:24 | |
| littlegirl | Hey there, smartboyhw. (: | 02:24 |
| littlegirl | Are you another docs contributor? | 02:24 |
| ahoneybun | bad if we just erase each others work | 02:24 |
| smartboyhw | littlegirl: o/ packager | 02:24 |
| littlegirl | Not a problem, though, because you can revert or at least copy and paste from the history. (: | 02:25 |
| smartboyhw | tester also | 02:25 |
| littlegirl | smartboyhw: Oh! That's something I've never tried. (: | 02:25 |
| littlegirl | Tester I've been and will probably always be. (: | 02:25 |
| littlegirl | ahoneybun, what still needs doing that I can do? | 02:26 |
| ahoneybun | well I have lordievader on something but he has been busy | 02:26 |
| ahoneybun | not sure If I should just take him off | 02:27 |
| ahoneybun | don't want to seem mean | 02:27 |
| littlegirl | Yeah, don't do that. I'd wait and see if he says he can' | 02:27 |
| littlegirl | can't do it. (: | 02:27 |
| littlegirl | Is there anything else? | 02:28 |
| ahoneybun | I think we could use more content | 02:28 |
| ahoneybun | not sure what though | 02:28 |
| littlegirl | Then I guess that can wait until you know what it ought to be. (: | 02:29 |
| ahoneybun | well we have have gone over connecting to the internet, managing all the software | 02:29 |
| ahoneybun | what you get in the included software and the technology behind those apps | 02:30 |
| ahoneybun | smartboyhw: since you are a packager and tester could you give some insight to what the development page should have? | 02:31 |
| ahoneybun | If I'm right that's the last thing for the software page | 02:31 |
| smartboyhw | ahoneybun: You mean development software or!? | 02:31 |
| ahoneybun | dev software | 02:31 |
| smartboyhw | KDevelop, Eclipse… | 02:32 |
| ahoneybun | smartboyhw: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software/Development | 02:32 |
| smartboyhw | ahoneybun: ^ | 02:32 |
| ahoneybun | yea that | 02:32 |
| ahoneybun | 's in there | 02:32 |
| smartboyhw | QtCreator? | 02:33 |
| ahoneybun | yep | 02:33 |
| smartboyhw | ahoneybun: That'll do… | 02:35 |
| ahoneybun | smartboyhw: why the "...": | 02:35 |
| smartboyhw | ahoneybun: Why not the "…"? | 02:35 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 02:36 |
| ahoneybun | littlegirl: I guess we need some brainstorming | 02:38 |
| littlegirl | ahoneybun: Okay, but that sounds like a group thing - maybe for one of those meetings you guys hold. (: | 02:47 |
| ahoneybun | well Darkwing is busy with his kids | 02:48 |
| ahoneybun | I do wish to have another meeting | 02:50 |
| valorie | o/ | 02:57 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: hey! | 02:57 |
| valorie | meeting sounds like a good thing, but there is no hurry, imo | 02:58 |
| valorie | hi | 02:58 |
| valorie | we've got the list -- it's a bit slower that way, but aside from ever more linking to the ubuntu and KDE sources, I think we have the bulk of what we need, done | 02:59 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: I think we should have another soon to look at where we are and where we want to go now | 02:59 |
| valorie | right, but we can proceed on the list | 02:59 |
| valorie | it's summer now, and things will move more slowly | 02:59 |
| ahoneybun | no one talks back on the list | 03:00 |
| valorie | it's the nature of foss projects | 03:00 |
| valorie | that's ok | 03:00 |
| ahoneybun | I'm a bit more available | 03:00 |
| valorie | we've got a LOT done now | 03:00 |
| valorie | and I think we have a good working relationship now | 03:01 |
| littlegirl | Nice to meet you, valorie. (: | 03:01 |
| valorie | hi again, littlegirl | 03:01 |
| valorie | I've been around forever | 03:01 |
| valorie | welcome back | 03:01 |
| littlegirl | Oh, hehe, sorry about that. My life has been very upside down lately and I've been away from the computer for quite some time. (: | 03:02 |
| littlegirl | And thanks. (: | 03:02 |
| ahoneybun | I guess I'm just looking for more to do | 03:03 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: you think we got a lot done? | 03:03 |
| valorie | yes | 03:03 |
| valorie | one suggestion I have is to hang out in #kubuntu and maybe the forums, and notice what common questions come up | 03:03 |
| valorie | we should answer those; maybe in the form of an FAQ, or maybe we've already covered them | 03:04 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: I added the ppa from #kubuntu | 03:04 |
| valorie | not bugs, but just common questions | 03:04 |
| valorie | the ppa from #kubuntu? | 03:04 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: someone was aasking about it | 03:04 |
| valorie | not sure what you are referring to, or on what page..... | 03:04 |
| ahoneybun | in there | 03:04 |
| ahoneybun | there was nothing about ppas in any of our work so far | 03:05 |
| ahoneybun | I saw someone was having problems with ppa | 03:05 |
| ahoneybun | so littlegirl and I added that | 03:05 |
| valorie | oh, you mean you added to the managing repository page because of a question that was asked in #kubuntu? | 03:05 |
| valorie | cool | 03:05 |
| valorie | I read backlog, but sometimes lack context | 03:06 |
| ahoneybun | it was missing ppa info | 03:06 |
| valorie | yes | 03:06 |
| valorie | not that we advocate their use, for beginners especially | 03:06 |
| valorie | but as people go along, sometimes they need backports, or betas | 03:07 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 03:08 |
| valorie | also, offering support in #kubuntu is good for those who plan on becoming Kubuntu Members | 03:09 |
| valorie | :-) | 03:09 |
| valorie | and on the forums as well | 03:09 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: I never liked forums too much | 03:10 |
| ahoneybun | hard to find things to help out in | 03:10 |
| ahoneybun | I love IRC though | 03:10 |
| valorie | well, that is the major way new people find us | 03:10 |
| valorie | because google sends them there -- forums along with our documentation | 03:11 |
| valorie | I think it's hard here because we don't have a bot which announces new questions | 03:11 |
| ahoneybun | is there going to be a docs.kubuntu.org? | 03:11 |
| valorie | for instance, in #amarok, every new Amarok forum post is announced by a bot | 03:12 |
| ahoneybun | that is cool | 03:12 |
| valorie | ahoneybun: that's a worthwhile question | 03:12 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 03:12 |
| valorie | there are wibbly sort of plans for our own kubuntu server | 03:13 |
| valorie | where we could install our own wiki | 03:13 |
| ahoneybun | I have heard about it before | 03:13 |
| valorie | or whatever we like | 03:13 |
| valorie | but when you feel that we're 'nearly there' -- bring it up to the -devel list, and see if you can get the Council to make that happen | 03:14 |
| ahoneybun | do you feel we are nearly there? | 03:15 |
| valorie | I do | 03:15 |
| ahoneybun | you are part of the council | 03:16 |
| valorie | what else do you think we need to help our our new users? | 03:16 |
| valorie | I am indeed | 03:16 |
| ahoneybun | do we have a part about installing new languages? | 03:16 |
| valorie | and what else do you think we need to help people find our docs? | 03:16 |
| ahoneybun | I'm not to sure what we can do about that on our part | 03:17 |
| valorie | what exactly do you mean by installing new languages? | 03:17 |
| ahoneybun | just thinking out loud | 03:17 |
| ahoneybun | setting up a pc for a new user | 03:17 |
| valorie | do you mean changing from Eng. to something else in the install process? | 03:17 |
| ahoneybun | maybe have a install thing to walk them though the install process? | 03:18 |
| valorie | it might be cool to have an Installation page/s | 03:18 |
| valorie | yes, exactly | 03:18 |
| valorie | lots of images | 03:18 |
| ahoneybun | that could be one page | 03:19 |
| valorie | perhaps even mostly the slides used on the DVD/usb | 03:19 |
| ahoneybun | but a main page | 03:19 |
| ahoneybun | making a dvd/usb | 03:19 |
| ahoneybun | ? | 03:19 |
| valorie | I think that would be helpful for people deciding whether or not to install | 03:19 |
| valorie | if they see the entire process, it seems very non-scary | 03:19 |
| ahoneybun | yes | 03:20 |
| valorie | and we can do links to the fiddly bits like installing beside windows | 03:20 |
| ahoneybun | just how to get the images | 03:20 |
| valorie | etc. | 03:20 |
| valorie | those are all available, but I don't know where | 03:20 |
| valorie | the list will know though | 03:20 |
| ahoneybun | google to the rescue | 03:21 |
| valorie | we looked before, as i recall, but I didn't find them | 03:21 |
| valorie | I especially would have appreciated a guide to reinstalling over a hosed install, next to windows, using an SSD | 03:22 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: http://www.google.com/imgres?client=ubuntu&hs=YN1&sa=X&channel=fs&biw=1920&bih=901&tbm=isch&tbnid=B8BJCph1sCpnlM:&imgrefurl=http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/see-whats-new-in-kubuntu-1304-raring.html&docid=OlL0qgNJNfn5SM&imgurl=http://img.netupd8.com/kubuntu-13.04-installer.png&w=1022&h=766&ei=L4y6UYjUJ4bU8wSljoGADA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:8,s:0,i:106&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=182&tbnw=243&start=0&ndsp=32&tx=191&ty=93 | 03:22 |
| valorie | because my other laptop is still unusable | 03:22 |
| ahoneybun | sorry | 03:22 |
| ahoneybun | http://img.netupd8.com/kubuntu-13.04-installer.png | 03:22 |
| valorie | until I get my son to fix either grub, the fstab file, or the bios | 03:22 |
| valorie | not sure what exactly needs fixing | 03:22 |
| valorie | well, I'd like to see all the slides | 03:23 |
| ahoneybun | yes I know | 03:23 |
| valorie | our artwork is so great! | 03:23 |
| ahoneybun | the installer? | 03:25 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/see-whats-new-in-kubuntu-1304-raring.html | 03:25 |
| valorie | that does have some of them | 03:26 |
| valorie | and that's a good website, for sure | 03:26 |
| ahoneybun | I could just use a VM to get the images lol | 03:28 |
| valorie | anyway, that website author found the slides somewhere | 03:28 |
| valorie | so can we | 03:28 |
| valorie | they are in the ISO, for starters | 03:28 |
| valorie | which means, to me, that they are in a file on launchpad somewhere | 03:29 |
| valorie | the packagers will know where | 03:29 |
| ahoneybun | I could just take them from the installation of the iso in a VM ;) | 03:30 |
| valorie | ok | 03:31 |
| ahoneybun | got them all :) | 03:32 |
| valorie | cool | 03:33 |
| valorie | obviously they all need to be shrunk to a more reasonable size | 03:34 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 03:35 |
| valorie | I was thinking it would be cool to have one image per page, and have a link at the bottom of each, after any necessary text, to just go forward and back | 03:35 |
| valorie | just like the actual install process | 03:35 |
| valorie | and make sure any links to outside pages are in a new tab, rather than navigating people away | 03:36 |
| ahoneybun | not sure about the new tab thing | 03:36 |
| ahoneybun | check trello and lay it out | 03:37 |
| valorie | I know when I'm doing something for the first time, I like to be able to get aquainted with the new thing as much as possible | 03:37 |
| ahoneybun | so a main to link to the subpages | 03:37 |
| ahoneybun | like | 03:37 |
| valorie | I'd like to make fed-up Windows users comfortable | 03:37 |
| valorie | to make this their first Linux | 03:37 |
| valorie | wouldn't that be great? | 03:37 |
| smartboyhw | Hey valorie | 03:37 |
| valorie | hi smartboyhw | 03:38 |
| valorie | how are you? | 03:38 |
| ahoneybun | /Install/DiskSetup | 03:38 |
| ahoneybun | /Installing/DiskSetup | 03:38 |
| valorie | I think we lost littlegirl | 03:51 |
| ahoneybun | seems | 03:55 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Installing | 03:55 |
| valorie | nifty! | 03:56 |
| ahoneybun | refresh the page | 03:56 |
| valorie | it seems shrunken a bit too much | 03:57 |
| ahoneybun | and then click the image | 03:57 |
| ahoneybun | I had to scale with gimp | 03:57 |
| ahoneybun | that opens the full image | 03:57 |
| valorie | yeah | 03:57 |
| ahoneybun | yep :) | 03:57 |
| valorie | what percentage did you shrink it? | 03:58 |
| valorie | I'm just wondering if either a bit more or less would be more clear | 03:58 |
| valorie | see how the fonts look funky? | 03:58 |
| ahoneybun | I know | 03:58 |
| ahoneybun | I made the width 550px then the height resized | 03:58 |
| valorie | worth playing with a bit | 03:58 |
| valorie | because we could do 600 or 500 and it might look better | 03:59 |
| valorie | with 600, centered | 03:59 |
| ahoneybun | 725 and it still looks a but funky | 03:59 |
| valorie | try an even number | 04:00 |
| valorie | sometimes odd numbers do that | 04:00 |
| valorie | what is the raw size width? | 04:01 |
| valorie | gads, need the rest of my dinner | 04:01 |
| valorie | back in a min | 04:01 |
| ahoneybun | k | 04:04 |
| valorie | any luck with other sizes? | 04:28 |
| ahoneybun | not really | 04:31 |
| valorie | oh, well | 04:35 |
| valorie | aren't the originals svgs? | 04:35 |
| ahoneybun | no | 04:37 |
| ahoneybun | png | 04:37 |
| ahoneybun | working on it | 04:37 |
| valorie | k | 04:40 |
| ahoneybun | I think would I could | 04:44 |
| ahoneybun | I did my best | 04:44 |
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| valorie | I wonder why the ISO has png instead of svg | 04:47 |
| valorie | very odd | 04:47 |
| ahoneybun | no | 04:47 |
| ahoneybun | I took a snapshot | 04:47 |
| valorie | why? | 04:47 |
| ahoneybun | thought that was best | 04:47 |
| valorie | we have access to the originals | 04:47 |
| ahoneybun | oh | 04:47 |
| valorie | sec | 04:48 |
| ahoneybun | brb | 04:57 |
| ahoneybun | back | 04:59 |
| valorie | I'm working on a short para to kick off the series of slides | 05:02 |
| ahoneybun | oh where are the images at | 05:04 |
| valorie | I thought you were getting the raw images off the ISO | 05:04 |
| valorie | if not, then I would look on launchpad | 05:05 |
| ahoneybun | can't find them on the iso | 05:06 |
| valorie | I wouldn't know how to do that either | 05:06 |
| valorie | ahoneybun: https://launchpad.net/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu | 05:11 |
| valorie | looks like they can just be checked out like anything else | 05:11 |
| ahoneybun | that is ubuntu though | 05:12 |
| valorie | Provides the slideshows that are shown while installing Ubuntu, Kubuntu and other.... | 05:12 |
| ahoneybun | I see | 05:13 |
| ahoneybun | I can't copy them from there well without coping the branch | 05:18 |
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| valorie | sure | 05:20 |
| valorie | I figured that the branch would have to be checked out, yeah | 05:20 |
| valorie | added my text | 05:30 |
| valorie | just a suggestion | 05:30 |
| ahoneybun | what text? | 05:31 |
| valorie | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Installing | 05:32 |
| valorie | at the top | 05:32 |
| ahoneybun | nice | 05:33 |
| ahoneybun | I'm off for the night, I will post to the list later | 05:34 |
| valorie | cool | 05:37 |
| valorie | thanks for your work, ahoneybun | 05:37 |
| valorie | funny how we had the same idea at the same time | 05:38 |
| soee | good morning | 06:04 |
| Riddell | hmm, I'm not convinced any of these are ours http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20130614-saucy.html#kubuntu | 08:37 |
| wgrant | kubuntu inherits the seeds that contain them. | 08:38 |
| seaLne | something that might be worth adding to the todo list when releasing packages of new kde releases would be updating http://community.kde.org/KDE_SC/Binary_Packages i added .3 and .4, not sure how many people would look there but i think it looks good to have kubuntu listed | 08:51 |
| valorie | good thought, seaLne | 08:52 |
| seaLne | and its easier now, as the list used to be in svn with special permissions needed to update | 08:52 |
| valorie | gosh, the major releases of Kubuntu are all still available | 08:54 |
| valorie | we could expand that list a LOT | 08:54 |
| valorie | probably not very useful though | 08:54 |
| Riddell | seaLne: thanks added to ninjas | 08:57 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: how is 4.10.80 doing? | 08:58 |
| Riddell | "SDO Needs updating" shadeslayer what's SDO? | 08:58 |
| Riddell | http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.80_saucy.html hmm could be worse I guess | 08:59 |
| mck182 | sdo = shared desktop ontologies | 08:59 |
| Riddell | ah hah | 09:06 |
| yofel | queeestion: why does debian have kde-sc-dev-latest again? | 09:26 |
| yofel | Only reason I can think off is to prevents having to manually do rebuilds if like kdepimlibs disables a feature because kdelibs is too old which leads to other packages not building something as well | 09:26 |
| Riddell | so they only have to update one entry in the Build-Depends: list rather than all of them? | 09:28 |
| yofel | hm, no. One ends up wrong linking too | 09:28 |
| yofel | Riddell: no, I meant why have it at all. But on second thought it makes sense | 09:28 |
| yofel | means I'll have to fix 4.10.80 though, as that has >= 4.10.4 | 09:29 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: you know anything about libgadu? is it still useful? (it doesn't compile in saucy) | 09:29 |
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| valorie | is gadugadu even working anymore? | 09:35 |
| Riddell | I don't know | 09:35 |
| valorie | I've never known a single person who made use of it | 09:35 |
| Riddell | it's only ever been popular in poland as I understand it | 09:35 |
| valorie | ah | 09:35 |
| Riddell | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadu-Gadu yep still up says wp | 09:36 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: you only pushed kdelibs to bzr, right? | 09:41 |
| smartboyhw | Hey yofel, shadeslayer | 09:41 |
| yofel | *sigh* | 09:42 |
| yofel | morning smartboyhw | 09:42 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: nope, everything :( | 09:42 |
| shadeslayer | sorry about the screw up :/ | 09:43 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: really o.O? I looked at kdepimlibs, konsole and kde-workspace and they don't have the changelog update... | 09:43 |
| shadeslayer | aha | 09:43 |
| shadeslayer | some of them were not pushed | 09:43 |
| shadeslayer | see notepad | 09:43 |
| shadeslayer | eh | 09:43 |
| shadeslayer | invoke-rc.d: initscript android-tools-adbd, action "start" failed. | 09:43 |
| yofel | mhm, you're right | 09:44 |
| yofel | meh | 09:45 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: so, how do we fix this screw up in a way that does not involve manually fixing each branch :( | 09:45 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: could you push whatever isn't pushed? | 09:46 |
| yofel | then simply running a small script over everything should work... | 09:47 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: everything is pushed, except the packages that were moved to manual, should I push those too? | 09:48 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer: You don't normally mess up do you? (Only I do…) | 09:48 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: yeah, I was doing multiple things yesterday | 09:48 |
| shadeslayer | and I managed to lose track of one thing in the madness that was yesterday | 09:48 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: they should simply not build, otherwise I need to put a changelog check into the script | 09:49 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer: Humans can't multitask (even if you DARE to think you can) | 09:49 |
| smartboyhw | You haven't watched National Geographic's "Test your brain" ... | 09:50 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: uh, for those manual packages debuild -S -sa doesn't even complete, and it's most likely because of patch failiures | 09:50 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: I keep thinking I can :/ | 09:50 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: I know | 09:50 |
| smartboyhw | lol | 09:50 |
| smartboyhw | What's the prob here? 4.11 beta 1? | 09:50 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: right so, just make your script skip those packages? | 09:51 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: yeah, the initial upload of it went a bit wrong | 09:51 |
| shadeslayer | I've documented the list on the etherpad | 09:51 |
| smartboyhw | :( | 09:51 |
| yofel | hm... | 09:51 |
| yofel | true, I could just take the saucy package list, remove then and loop over the result | 09:51 |
| yofel | *them | 09:51 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 09:51 |
| yofel | I should have something done in ~2h, it's lunch time in a few min. here | 09:52 |
| shadeslayer | \o/ power | 09:52 |
| yofel | ^^ | 09:52 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: np | 09:52 |
| yofel | Riddell: you didn't do any PPA-only work on 4.10.80 yet, right? | 09:53 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: on second thought... those packages should really be pushed even if they fail. Otherwise you need to do the dep update by hand as well... | 09:54 |
| yofel | (which is only really fine as long people remember to do it) | 09:54 |
| shadeslayer | okay, I'll push those as well | 09:55 |
| yofel | thanks! | 09:55 |
| yofel | I need to teach kubuntu-initial-upload to do the same | 09:56 |
| Riddell | yofel: nope | 09:57 |
| yofel | o | 09:57 |
| yofel | k | 09:57 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: all done | 09:58 |
| shadeslayer | oddly : Pushing kdeartwork | 09:58 |
| shadeslayer | No new revisions or tags to push. | 09:58 |
| yofel | oh, debcommit is run after bzr-buildpackage-ppa | 09:59 |
| yofel | so it didn't even commit | 09:59 |
| yofel | hm, then moving the package build part below committing and pushing should fix it | 10:00 |
| Riddell | new files in calligra beta, it is a beast http://paste.kde.org/773492/ | 10:06 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell: Hurray! | 10:08 |
| soee | valorie, gadu gadu is/was most popular instant messaging client here in Poland | 10:14 |
| Riddell | soee: library got fixed, gadu in kopete is safe :) | 10:17 |
| soee | Riddell, the kids in school will be happy :) they are using it most | 10:29 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 10:46 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: btw I saw a build dep on kde-sc-dev-latest this morning | 10:59 |
| shadeslayer | I was half asleep though, so I don't recall where I saw it | 10:59 |
| shadeslayer | didn't we get rid of that last cycle? | 10:59 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: probably slipped in with a merge, shouldn't have any effect though? | 10:59 |
| shadeslayer | I thought so too, just wanted to confirm if we are still using that | 11:00 |
| soee | hmm you should give public access to ninjas notes, now i dont know how 4.11 beta builds :< | 11:17 |
| shadeslayer | it is public | 11:18 |
| shadeslayer | you just have to signup on identity.kde.org | 11:18 |
| shadeslayer | and http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.80_saucy.html | 11:18 |
| soee | why i cant use custom nickname ? | 11:20 |
| shadeslayer | custom nickname where? | 11:21 |
| shadeslayer | on i.ko? | 11:21 |
| yofel | ask kde sysadmins... | 11:21 |
| soee | shadeslayer, it generates few option bye first and second name i entered | 11:21 |
| soee | but there is not option to use custom one :< | 11:21 |
| shadeslayer | thats how it works :P | 11:22 |
| soee | thats bad :/ | 11:22 |
| shadeslayer | alright, our first autopilot test : lp:~rohangarg/+junk/autopilot | 11:58 |
| Quintasan | Riddell, valorie: Yeah, people still use gg in Poland | 11:59 |
| shadeslayer | just branch, cd into the autopilot dir and run autopolit run kubuntu | 11:59 |
| Quintasan | The question is how many IM cliets use that | 11:59 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: I can see kopete and ekg using that | 11:59 |
| shadeslayer | needs the default kicker in the panel + the kicker should have the shortcut of alt+f1 | 12:00 |
| smartboyhw | Now now Riddell, which alpha are we not in this cycle? | 12:28 |
| Riddell | well we did say no alpha 2 | 12:32 |
| Riddell | but it's being moved about and alpha 3 dropped | 12:32 |
| Riddell | so I expect we'll do both alphas | 12:32 |
| smartboyhw | Alpha 3 dropped?! | 12:37 |
| * smartboyhw misses too much during his exam. | 12:37 | |
| Riddell | it's still in discussion on -release | 12:39 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell: Sure. Lubuntu has the same thought as you guys. | 12:42 |
| smartboyhw | That's what I heard from mailing lists. | 12:42 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Please let them know if it's OK with us to move Alpha 1 a week later on top of KDE 4.1 beta 2 or not. | 12:43 |
| Riddell | oh move alpha 1 as well | 12:43 |
| ScottK | OK. Tell infinity/skaet/etc. | 12:44 |
| Riddell | hum | 13:02 |
| Riddell | alt+left arrow moves to the text virtual terminal | 13:02 |
| Riddell | that was scary,thought X had crashes | 13:02 |
| * shadeslayer needs ideas for ui testing | 13:02 | |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: context? | 13:02 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: doesn't switch for me | 13:02 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: writing autopilot tests | 13:03 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: saucy? | 13:03 |
| shadeslayer | but can't think of what exactly can I write for ui tests | 13:03 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 13:03 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+junk/autopilot | 13:03 |
| shadeslayer | wrote a simple test to see how one goes about writing autopilot tests, seems simple enough | 13:04 |
| shadeslayer | I started with rekonq, but rekonq doesn't support introspection I think | 13:04 |
| shadeslayer | Dolphin does | 13:04 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer: \o/ | 13:04 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm, let me really plan for the ISO testing Classroom session… | 13:05 |
| shadeslayer | wrote a test_dolphin.py : http://paste.kde.org/773594/ | 13:05 |
| shadeslayer | though I can't quite figure out what methods the app proxy supports | 13:05 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: news on 4.11 fixes | 13:11 |
| shadeslayer | ah, seems like you pushed to bzr already? | 13:12 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: go write tests :P | 13:14 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer: I don't write autopilot tests... | 13:16 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: brr, errored out on kdeplasma-addons, I'll upload what I have and re-run it | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 13:18 |
| yofel | (rsync failed for some reason...) | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | 0.o | 13:20 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: is there a new shared-desktop-ontologies ? | 13:42 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 13:42 |
| Riddell | oh yes there is | 13:42 |
| shadeslayer | needed by 4.11 | 13:42 |
| yofel | that's already in saucy though | 13:43 |
| Riddell | this is confusing http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/oscaf/ doesn't show it | 13:43 |
| Riddell | and neither does this http://oscaf.sourceforge.net/ | 13:43 |
| shadeslayer | odd | 13:43 |
| shadeslayer | vHanda: ^^ | 13:43 |
| Riddell | but http://sourceforge.net/projects/oscaf/files/shared-desktop-ontologies/ does | 13:44 |
| Riddell | why is sourceforge using trac? aren't they direct competitors? | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | probably just not announced on the site | 13:44 |
| vHanda | Please use this - http://sourceforge.net/projects/oscaf/ | 13:44 |
| vHanda | Riddell: beats me - Sourceforge allows using trac internally | 13:44 |
| vHanda | it's one of their internal options | 13:45 |
| vHanda | so I doubt they are competitors | 13:45 |
| * vHanda will ask trueg to update the other pages as well | 13:46 | |
| shadeslayer | yofel: I've retried kde4libs as well | 13:53 |
| shadeslayer | since attica was updated | 13:53 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: could you update-the build-dep? Just so it ends up in dep-wait for the backports instead of failing | 13:58 |
| shadeslayer | will do | 13:59 |
| yofel | thanks | 14:02 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: done | 14:08 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: thanks! | 14:09 |
| yofel | yay, done here too | 14:09 |
| shadeslayer | nepomuk-core needs a bit of fixing too | 14:10 |
| therazr | sorry folks but what is the best kubuntu release for a new install? 12.04 or 13.04? thank you | 14:13 |
| smartboyhw | 12.04 definitely | 14:14 |
| therazr | smartboyhw: why? thanks | 14:14 |
| therazr | because it is LTS, doesn't it have older packages? like kernel version and such | 14:14 |
| smartboyhw | It's supported for a much longer time and is stable (and you can install new kernels in 12.04.2, it includes newer kernels) | 14:15 |
| smartboyhw | Don't forget, 13.04 is there for 9 months ONLY. | 14:16 |
| therazr | smartboyhw: So when 13.10 comes out I can't upgrade from 12.04 to 13.10 but I can upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 right? | 14:16 |
| therazr | And when a new LTS comes out, should I upgrade directly from 12.04? | 14:16 |
| smartboyhw | This discussion should happen in #kubuntu actually… | 14:17 |
| shadeslayer | I don't see why you can't upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 | 14:17 |
| therazr | shadeslayer: I said I could, not from 12.04 though | 14:18 |
| Riddell | therazr: correct | 14:18 |
| Riddell | therazr: which is best to install depends on your needs, ask in #kubuntu for more help | 14:18 |
| shadeslayer | oh okay, I read that wrong | 14:18 |
| therazr | I'll ask there :), sorry | 14:19 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: If it doesn't compile and needs some work I think I can pester the developer of that to update if he is still planning to work on that | 14:25 |
| Quintasan | talking about libgadu | 14:25 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: it got fixed | 14:26 |
| Quintasan | Oh | 14:26 |
| Quintasan | I see. | 14:26 |
| Riddell | so problem over | 14:26 |
| Quintasan | The last update was last year so I was kind of wondering if the development is still going on | 14:27 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: need any help on 4.10.80? | 14:27 |
| Riddell | I see lots of dep waits | 14:27 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: should be sorted once kde4libs is done building | 14:27 |
| therazr | Is KDE5 coming with Kubuntu 14.04? | 14:28 |
| * Quintasan goes back to books | 14:28 | |
| shadeslayer | dunno, I'd rather not drop KDE5 on an LTS | 14:28 |
| ScottK | therazr: KDE5 isn't really what it will be and probably not. | 14:28 |
| shadeslayer | maybe as a tech preview in a PPA | 14:29 |
| therazr | ScottK shadeslayer and how is KDE going to support Mir since it's what Ubuntu chose? | 14:29 |
| Riddell | therazr: project neon is working on early packages now | 14:29 |
| shadeslayer | therazr: it won't | 14:29 |
| shadeslayer | therazr: it'll support wayland / X11 / whatever upstream decides to do | 14:29 |
| smartboyhw_ | therazr: We won't use Mir (for sure) … | 14:29 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: how come lots are green and lots of dep wait on 4.10.80? were build-deps not updated? | 14:29 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: Minor screw up | 14:30 |
| therazr | smartboyhw_: Are we having proprietary drivers support? graphics drivers | 14:30 |
| ScottK | therazr: One of three things happens: Mir is compatible with what KDE is doing, we (Kubuntu team) figure out how to integrate it), or Kubuntu dies. | 14:30 |
| smartboyhw_ | lol | 14:30 |
| therazr | ScottK: are you serious? Can't you use Xserver or Wayland? | 14:30 |
| ScottK | smartboyhw_: Not kidding. | 14:30 |
| Riddell | that reminds me,I should start a conversation about flavours and Mir on ubuntu-devel mailing list | 14:31 |
| ScottK | therazr: In the long run, not really. | 14:31 |
| ScottK | Long run is measured in years though. | 14:31 |
| smartboyhw_ | therazr: They will kill Wayland one day (for sure) | 14:31 |
| therazr | I Think Mark Shuttleworth would not be very happy to have KDE/Xfce and all the others dropped from Ubuntu | 14:31 |
| Riddell | I expect us to use Wayland in the long run | 14:31 |
| smartboyhw_ | Riddell: Do it! | 14:31 |
| shadeslayer | what Riddell SAID | 14:31 |
| shadeslayer | erm | 14:32 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw_: who will kill Wayland? | 14:32 |
| shadeslayer | also depends on patchery to mesa | 14:32 |
| smartboyhw_ | For Ubuntu Studio, that isn't much a problem, we are making multi-DE:P | 14:32 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw_: multi-DE? | 14:32 |
| smartboyhw_ | Riddell: Ubuntu devs? (in 10 years?) In the Ubuntu archive? | 14:32 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: That's why I think we end up figuring out how to integrate with Mir or the Mir people figure out how to maintain compatibility with the rest of the world. | 14:32 |
| smartboyhw_ | Riddell: Yep, we are aiming for users to choose whatever desktop environment they want. | 14:33 |
| Riddell | I think figuring out how to integrate with Mir is unlikely | 14:33 |
| Riddell | finding the best way for Mir and Wayland to coexist is about the best we can hope for | 14:34 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: ooh lots of blue now | 14:36 |
| yofel | blue because I just re-uploaded most of it, should be in dep-wait shortly | 14:37 |
| shadeslayer | hooray :) | 14:46 |
| shadeslayer | my WiFi is broken again | 14:46 |
| smartboyhw_ | :( | 14:47 |
| * Riddell spams kubuntu-devel ML with merge requests | 15:00 | |
| smartboyhw_ | 404 Not found....:P | 15:01 |
| * smartboyhw_ is aiming for full mark in his computer literacy exam. | 15:01 | |
| Riddell | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-June/037250.html non-Unity flavours and Mir | 15:03 |
| smartboyhw_ | I'm asking our flavour lead to review the Studio bits. | 15:04 |
| Riddell | ooh Mirv is a handy chap, was just looking to do qtwebkit and he's fixed it already :) | 15:07 |
| Riddell | murthy: how's the merges? | 15:08 |
| shadeslayer | new symbols on kde4libs | 15:12 |
| Riddell | there usually are | 15:12 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: you taking care of it? | 15:13 |
| shadeslayer | yus | 15:13 |
| Riddell | yo da man | 15:13 |
| shadeslayer | I don't suppose you know off hand what optional=templinst means? | 15:15 |
| shadeslayer | I remember seeing documentation about it | 15:15 |
| shadeslayer | but Google can't find it | 15:15 |
| Riddell | it means there's a voodoo spell that'll shrink your head | 15:16 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: If you ask nicely on #debian-qt-kde, probably svuorela or MoDaX can tell you. | 15:17 |
| shadeslayer | ack | 15:18 |
| shadeslayer | I'll do some more google magic before asking though | 15:18 |
| shadeslayer | I distinctly remember this being documented | 15:18 |
| shadeslayer | template instantiations | 15:31 |
| shadeslayer | it's sort of documented on the man page | 15:31 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: which man page? | 15:45 |
| shadeslayer | dpkg-gensymbols | 15:45 |
| Riddell | "A symbol marked as optional can disappear from the library at any time and that will never cause dpkg-gensymbols to fail." jolly good | 15:48 |
| Riddell | obvious question is why have it at all in the symbols file | 15:48 |
| Riddell | groovy merges trello card all done except pykde which ScottK says he'll do when the time is right | 15:50 |
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| shadeslayer | so it seems to me it's fine for template instantiation symbols can disappear | 15:54 |
| shadeslayer | and hence it doesn't cause ABI breakage | 15:55 |
| shadeslayer | just waiting for i386 to finish | 15:55 |
| Riddell | yep | 15:55 |
| ScottK | Now that 4.10.4 is in Experimental, I can probably do that. | 15:57 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: "SRU soprano 2.9.2" is that still going to happen (am looking at trello items) | 15:59 |
| Riddell | I seem to remember it's not needed except for with 4.11? vHanda? | 15:59 |
| shadeslayer | I think upstream suggests using that one for supported versions | 15:59 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: "kmix leaks the memory" got a bug number for that? | 16:00 |
| Riddell | and isn't it in 4.10.3/4? | 16:01 |
| shadeslayer | okay, I've updated bzr | 16:02 |
| shadeslayer | will upload the package in a bit | 16:02 |
| Riddell | + _silentlyCreateInitialWallet = walletGroup.readEntry("Silently Create Initial Wallet", false); | 16:06 |
| Riddell | do we want to turn that on by default in kwallet? | 16:06 |
| Riddell | I think we do | 16:06 |
| Riddell | ah harald already did it, moving to done | 16:13 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: moved upload poppler to Done too | 16:14 |
| Riddell | agateau: you still plan to do bug 215383 ? | 16:18 |
| ubottu | bug 215383 in kde4libs (Ubuntu) "About Kubuntu information box" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215383 | 16:18 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: are the arm boxes still up? | 16:24 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Not at the moment. | 16:25 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 16:25 |
| ScottK | I need to do some eglibc magic to make it possible to use them for raring/saucy. | 16:26 |
| ScottK | I haven't had time. | 16:26 |
| ScottK | If someone needs to build for an older release, I can fire them back up next time I'm at home. | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer | nah, I needed saucy :P | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer | I'll just use emulation | 16:27 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: what was the hardware called though? | 16:27 |
| ScottK | Efika MX Smarttop. | 16:28 |
| ScottK | No longer available though. | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer | right | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer | well, cheaper options now | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer | if you just want a arm builder | 16:28 |
| ScottK | Nah. I got mine for free. | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer | haha | 16:28 |
| shadeslayer | I've had my eye on this one : http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php for some time :P | 16:29 |
| shadeslayer | as a home server | 16:29 |
| Riddell | mm I should set up a pandaboard so it's accessible | 16:33 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: can you explain this to me (or on trello card)? "/etc/grub/* contains Ubuntu exclusive handling" | 16:35 |
| soee | what was the page with 4.11 beta status for saucy ? | 16:35 |
| Riddell | soee: see https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | 16:37 |
| shadeslayer | http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.80_saucy.html | 16:37 |
| soee | +1 for shadeslayer :) | 16:38 |
| soee | + 0.5 for Riddell for good intentions :D | 16:38 |
| Riddell | hey, I was trying to help you learn how to find it! :) | 16:38 |
| shadeslayer | haha | 16:38 |
| soee | hmm my brother tries to copy cd with Nero and he failed :D i gave him k3b and hi did it with few clicks :) | 16:40 |
| soee | *tried | 16:40 |
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| Riddell | ryanakca: http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/as-others-see-us-the-view-from-quebec.2012088963 the soverigntists see a nirvana while the federalists see drugs and poverty :) | 16:45 |
| * Riddell puts muon-discover on the images | 16:47 | |
| ryanakca | Riddell: On that note, I had a bit of a chuckle the other day when the Quebec Health Minister announced: "Quebec will within the next two years be the first country to have digitised its health system at the national level." (http://argent.canoe.ca/nouvelles/sante-linformatisation-sera-completee-en-2015-28052013 , second paragraph) ;) | 16:53 |
| Riddell | the english wasted billions trying to do that | 16:54 |
| Riddell | still plenty of paper used in the scottish nhs, their computing stuff is hopelessly inefficient, maybe my NHS Hackday stint is the beginnings of change | 16:55 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 16:55 |
| genii | Hm, so they're already announcing they're a counry now? | 16:58 |
| genii | *country | 16:58 |
| ryanakca | I also think the miniter's editor forgot to run "sed -e 's/country/province/g;s/national/provincial/g'" before handing off the speech :D | 16:58 |
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| * Riddell out | 17:03 | |
| * shadeslayer pokes qemu to go faster | 17:10 | |
| shadeslayer | hum | 17:17 |
| shadeslayer | #MISSING: 4:4.10.80# _ZNK8Analitza11PlotBuilder6createERK6QColorRK7QStringPNS_9VariablesE@Base 4:4.9.80 | 17:17 |
| shadeslayer | that doesn't look good | 17:17 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: maybe place links for now on the kubuntu.org/support | 17:23 |
| shadeslayer | oh my | 17:25 |
| shadeslayer | apol: ping | 17:25 |
| shadeslayer | apol: ef3fb2f79079a769612d2d377abc955be0f4ac55 in analitza , does that not break ABI? | 17:25 |
| shadeslayer | AFAICT PlotBuilder is a public class and you just changed the signature of the public function create | 17:30 |
| shadeslayer | correct me if I'm wrong :) | 17:30 |
| apol | shadeslayer: yes it does | 17:46 |
| shadeslayer | :) | 17:47 |
| shadeslayer | apol: please be bumping so version then ? | 17:47 |
| apol | uh | 17:49 |
| apol | i'll do that | 17:49 |
| shadeslayer | thx | 17:49 |
| * shadeslayer will monitor repo and use the patch for Kubuntu | 17:49 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: last I checked markey complained about it leaking but did not push for a fix in .10 | 17:52 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: the grub stuff is for me :P | 17:52 |
| * apachelogger needs to give grub a detailed check for ubuntuism | 17:52 | |
| Quintasan | lol | 17:58 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: should I finalize Monday for PA4 meeting? | 18:00 |
| Quintasan | hell no | 18:00 |
| Quintasan | At least not this monday | 18:00 |
| shadeslayer | bah :/ | 18:00 |
| Quintasan | 17th, 19th and 24th = exams | 18:01 |
| shadeslayer | I might be going on vacation from 20th to 30th | 18:02 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: postpone to Akademy? :P | 18:02 |
| Quintasan | I'm not going to Akademy but we can do it online while you are there and have some free time | 18:02 |
| Quintasan | is yofel going to Akademy as well? | 18:03 |
| shadeslayer | we can do it during KDS | 18:03 |
| Quintasan | K | 18:03 |
| Quintasan | Mentlegen | 18:06 |
| Quintasan | well | 18:06 |
| Quintasan | As expected, asian input works after install out of box | 18:06 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: Can we switch to fcitx if I get proper QA done? | 18:06 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: Does it support all the same languages? | 18:07 |
| ScottK | Last I heard, it didn't. | 18:07 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: It does | 18:07 |
| Quintasan | We just didn't have a package for Anthy | 18:07 |
| Quintasan | And it turned out there are more backends now in saucy | 18:08 |
| ScottK | OK. | 18:08 |
| ScottK | That was my only objection. | 18:08 |
| Quintasan | plus it has better KDE intergration | 18:10 |
| Quintasan | unlike *cought* ibus*cough* | 18:11 |
| ScottK | Right. I think it's a good idea now that it won't narrow our language support. | 18:12 |
| ScottK | It's more than just QA though. IIRC there's some language pack related magic that would need updating. | 18:12 |
| Quintasan | I did that and apachelogger kind of fixed it, but now I know what I did wrong so that's out of the way | 18:13 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: That said I'm not thinking about saucy, more like saucy+1 | 18:13 |
| Quintasan | Or even +2 but that would be the worst case | 18:13 |
| ScottK | OK. | 18:13 |
| Quintasan | Unless I get a lot of people for testing - saucy+1 | 18:14 |
| shadeslayer | whaaaa | 18:20 |
| shadeslayer | make[4]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libQtWebKit.so', needed by `lib/libkdewebkit.so.5.11.0'. Stop. | 18:20 |
| shadeslayer | !find /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libQtWebKit.so | 18:20 |
| shadeslayer | !find /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libQtWebKit.so saucy | 18:20 |
| ubottu | File /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libQtWebKit.so found in libqtwebkit-dev, libqtwebkit4 | 18:20 |
| shadeslayer | why this does not make any sense at all | 18:21 |
| shadeslayer | both libqtwebkit4 and libqtwebkit-dev are installed | 18:21 |
| shadeslayer | and it built fine in my chroot before I uploaded it | 18:22 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan, ScottK: if we are serious about input methods I think we need a whole set of ISO tests targetted at the entire l10n experience | 18:26 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: As in testcases for iso.qa.ubuntu.com? | 18:28 |
| Quintasan | I think it's doable | 18:29 |
| shadeslayer | anyone on saucy? | 18:32 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: yes | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | well, doesn't really matter, probably could be a less frequent test | 18:36 |
| apachelogger | but definitely something to run before release | 18:36 |
| genii | shadeslayer: Yup | 18:36 |
| shadeslayer | genii: on Kubuntu, when you lock the screen, are you also missing the 'switch session' button? | 18:36 |
| genii | shadeslayer: Lemme check | 18:37 |
| shadeslayer | genii: and can you suspend via the kickoff / homerun ? | 18:37 |
| shadeslayer | I had to install pm-utils to get the suspend button | 18:37 |
| shadeslayer | still no idea why it doesn't show a switch session button on the lock screen | 18:38 |
| yofel | Quintasan: FWIW, I'm going | 18:46 |
| genii | shadeslayer: I have classic menu... Anyhow, when I go K.. Leave...Lock... In same area as Lock under "Session" is also Logout and Save Session. Under "System" I have Sleep, Restart, Shutdown. After I do Lock, on activity all there is is just: The session has been locked by username box with username not editable, and a password text entry field. | 18:46 |
| shadeslayer | genii: no unlock button at the bottom? | 18:47 |
| shadeslayer | below the password field | 18:48 |
| genii | Yes, that too, sorry :) | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: awesome, I can give you back your wifi dongle | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer | genii: and no switch session button? | 18:48 |
| genii | shadeslayer: None at all. | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer | okay, so that's just not me | 18:48 |
| shadeslayer | *not just me | 18:49 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: \o/ (I could actually use it for my raspberry pi now ^^) | 18:49 |
| genii | shadeslayer: Maybe if only one user logged in it doesn't show? | 18:49 |
| shadeslayer | genii: dunno, it appeared on raring just fine | 18:49 |
| genii | Hm. | 18:50 |
| shadeslayer | which is why I noticed it in the first place | 18:50 |
| yofel | hm... | 18:52 |
| yofel | about that | 18:52 |
| shadeslayer | *grumble* debootstrap can't work properly when the partition is mounted with nodev :/ | 18:52 |
| yofel | upower always depended on pm-utils | 18:52 |
| shadeslayer | atleast for foreign arch's | 18:52 |
| yofel | in saucy, it depends on pm-utils | systemd-services | 18:52 |
| yofel | how did you get pm-utils removed? | 18:52 |
| shadeslayer | fun | 18:52 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: it was not on the install media | 18:52 |
| yofel | fun indeed | 18:52 |
| shadeslayer | I have systemd-services installed OTOH | 18:52 |
| * apachelogger wonders if Riddell will write up a summary of that very long thread he started | 18:54 | |
| shadeslayer | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/pending/saucy-desktop-amd64.manifest | 18:54 |
| yofel | well, we do have to do the consolekit deprecation too, so maybe PM stuff needs attention as well | 18:54 |
| shadeslayer | manifest says systemd-services | 18:54 |
| apachelogger | yofel: I suggest you go upstream with consolekit crap | 18:54 |
| apachelogger | consolekit is deprected so using it in KDE software is not very nice | 18:54 |
| yofel | true, there's a trello pad somewhere, needs bugfiling | 18:55 |
| genii | shadeslayer: I went Switch User and logged a second one in to see if switching is then enabled on Lock.... it's not, stilll the same. | 18:57 |
| shadeslayer | genii: aha, so a bug possibly | 18:58 |
| shadeslayer | was the upstart user session stuff deployed? | 18:58 |
| shadeslayer | could be because of that? | 18:58 |
| shadeslayer | though I'm doubtful, because all that script did was run startkde | 18:59 |
| genii | Each of these users has saved session, those come up fine. | 19:00 |
| yofel | Riddell: wrt. Qt JS bug: that bug on LP talks about Qtwebkit, all references I have to mine are from Qt/QtScript | 19:02 |
| genii | shadeslayer: The weird thing was, looks like it locks your session automatically now if you Switch User. Because I did Switch user, it kicked me out to lightdm, I logged in secondary, then went Switch User from ther back to lightdm... then when I logged into the first user again, when desktop came up it was locked already | 19:03 |
| shadeslayer | oh yeah | 19:03 |
| genii | ( I don't usually use this feature so not sure what the regular behaviour is supposed to be) | 19:03 |
| shadeslayer | that's a bug I think | 19:03 |
| shadeslayer | that was in raring as well IIRC | 19:03 |
| * shadeslayer rages at tar | 19:04 | |
| shadeslayer | stupid tar in the recovery | 19:04 |
| shadeslayer | tar: invalid tar magic | 19:04 |
| yofel | what the hell... | 19:04 |
| * yofel reads the mir thread... | 19:04 | |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Makes sense. And they need to be well enough written that people like me that know nothing about input methods can do the test. | 19:05 |
| === g4mby is now known as PaulW2U | ||
| shadeslayer | this build failiure makes no sense -.0 | 19:25 |
| shadeslayer | -.- | 19:25 |
| shadeslayer | anyway, I'm sleeping, night | 19:28 |
| soee | hmm do you have problems playing youtube video in 2 separate tabs in latest firefox ? | 19:32 |
| genii | soee: On 21 if i have multiple youtube tabs then leave them and go do something else for a while, the plugin-container starts hogging resources until flash crashes. | 19:39 |
| genii | Then it recovers after a minute to 90 seconds and I can refresh the tabs and it plays again | 19:40 |
| soee | in my case only one video is played but not without problems, some strange things happen with it | 19:40 |
| genii | soee: If nvidia, maybe try disable vdpau/hardware acceleration in the player | 19:41 |
| genii | For a while, everyon in my videos looked like The Hulk and sometimes at wrong speed until i disabled it | 19:43 |
| soee | :) | 19:47 |
| soee | now it started to work oO | 19:47 |
| soee | context menu doesn't work | 19:50 |
| soee | i think ill back to chrome | 19:50 |
| ahoneybun_ | Hello all | 21:47 |
| Riddell | hi ahoneybun_ | 21:53 |
| ahoneybun_ | Riddell: hello | 21:53 |
| ahoneybun_ | Riddell: how's the 4.11? | 21:55 |
| Riddell | dunno shadeslayer and yofel were putting it through the system | 21:58 |
| ahoneybun_ | Oh ok | 22:01 |
| ahoneybun_ | So is there talk of our own server? | 22:02 |
| Riddell | not heard anyone else but I've sort of wanted one for a while but not got enough excuse for one | 22:04 |
| ahoneybun_ | Just one in general or for the docs? | 22:04 |
| ahoneybun_ | Also maybe place it at Kubuntu.org/support | 22:05 |
| Riddell | yep | 22:05 |
| ahoneybun_ | Oh cool | 22:05 |
| Riddell | but we don't have any practical way to put it on the kubuntu.org server | 22:05 |
| ahoneybun_ | Oh | 22:05 |
| ahoneybun_ | Maybe have it docs.Kubuntu.org? | 22:06 |
| soee | what are requirements for such server ? | 22:06 |
| ahoneybun_ | Not sure | 22:06 |
| ahoneybun_ | Riddell: what are the requirements? | 22:08 |
| Riddell | dunno, not much | 22:10 |
| Riddell | ability to ssh in and run apache | 22:10 |
| Riddell | bytemark would be a good candidate | 22:10 |
| Riddell | they might even give us one for free | 22:10 |
| ahoneybun_ | Can a raspberry pi run it? | 22:13 |
| ahoneybun_ | Riddell: I could run it on there | 22:14 |
| Riddell | it could but it wouldn't be very reliable | 22:14 |
| yofel | ahoneybun_: 4.11 coming along slowly, see ninja pad | 22:16 |
| * yofel put the full package split list there now | 22:16 | |
| ahoneybun_ | yofel: thanks ^^ | 22:18 |
| Riddell | I'll ask bytemark if they can do us a server | 22:18 |
| ahoneybun_ | Riddell: sweet I'll help where I can ^=^ | 22:19 |
| valorie | do we have a sysadminish person to care for a server? | 22:39 |
| valorie | and will canonical sysadmins play well with us | 22:39 |
| ahoneybun_ | valorie: I can try | 22:40 |
| ahoneybun_ | ;) | 22:40 |
| valorie | have you administered a server before? | 22:41 |
| ahoneybun_ | A bit on my raspberry pi | 22:41 |
| ahoneybun_ | I would love to learn | 22:42 |
| valorie | you might hang out in #kde-sysadmin and hear what it's like to run a huge system | 22:44 |
| ahoneybun_ | Yea | 22:44 |
| valorie | I think we'll need at least two people | 22:44 |
| valorie | this is high-volume compared to a personal server on a pi | 22:44 |
| ahoneybun_ | Agreed | 22:45 |
| ahoneybun_ | I can put it on a old p4 | 22:45 |
| valorie | the amarok team finally gave up their server and moved everything to KDE infra | 22:45 |
| valorie | because it was too hard for the sysadmins to keep up | 22:46 |
| valorie | I would think we get at least as heavy use as Amarok was | 22:46 |
| valorie | I think putting anything on an old p4 is a bad idea | 22:46 |
| valorie | we need professional equipment, and people will enough time to do proper monitoring, etc. | 22:47 |
| valorie | which is why we've never had a server of our own up till now | 22:47 |
| soee | what would you like to have on such server ? | 22:47 |
| soee | and you are talking about dedic, vps, shared ? | 22:47 |
| valorie | we've been talking about having docs there | 22:48 |
| valorie | and now some support stuff | 22:48 |
| ahoneybun_ | Oh well I have time during the Summer but I can make time | 22:48 |
| valorie | since it's doubtful canonical would like another company to be supported on their servers | 22:48 |
| ahoneybun_ | This is for the docs | 22:49 |
| valorie | I'm just trying to say, ahoneybun_, that this is a much bigger scale than you might realize | 22:49 |
| ahoneybun_ | I know | 22:49 |
| ahoneybun_ | I realize that now but still would like to try it | 22:50 |
| bkerensa | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/06/14/certificates-for-ubuntu-members/ | 22:50 |
| bkerensa | Now we need Kubuntu Certs | 22:50 |
| bkerensa | ;p | 22:50 |
| ahoneybun_ | bkerensa: members? | 22:52 |
| valorie | nice | 22:52 |
| valorie | bkerensa: have you applied for yours? | 22:52 |
| bkerensa | valorie: I did | 22:53 |
| valorie | cool | 22:53 |
| bkerensa | ahoneybun_: yar | 22:53 |
| valorie | I can just imagine mark gritting his teeth as he signs yours | 22:53 |
| ahoneybun_ | Cool so Kubuntu members would get that? | 22:53 |
| valorie | :-) | 22:53 |
| valorie | yes, ahoneybun_ | 22:53 |
| soee | http://elv13.wordpress.com/2013/06/14/sflphone-kde-1-2-3-released/ | 22:53 |
| ahoneybun_ | Cool | 22:53 |
| valorie | sec | 22:53 |
| bkerensa | valorie: I can see jono gritting his teeth when he sees the request heh ;p | 22:54 |
| bkerensa | is ok though ;) | 22:54 |
| ahoneybun_ | valorie: I still want to be a member btw | 22:55 |
| bkerensa | ahoneybun_: idk how that works I believe its limited to Ubuntu Members there was no mention of flavors | 22:55 |
| bkerensa | ahoneybun_: I would e-mail Michelle or ask Jono | 22:55 |
| ahoneybun_ | bkerensa: cool but I would still want to be a member | 22:56 |
| jono | bkerensa, I never grit my teeth | 22:56 |
| jono | I am English, my teeth might fall out if I grit them :-) | 22:56 |
| bkerensa | jono: its not a good practice ;p | 22:56 |
| bkerensa | LOL | 22:56 |
| jono | :-) | 22:56 |
| ahoneybun_ | bkerensa: jono bacon? But I'm almost 1 1/2 months in | 22:56 |
| jono | ahoneybun_ yup | 22:56 |
| valorie | ahoneybun_: when one gets kubuntu membership, that is also ubuntu membership | 22:57 |
| ahoneybun_ | jono: I have only been helping for over a month | 22:57 |
| jono | ahoneybun welcome! :-) | 22:57 |
| jono | and thanks for your contributions :-) | 22:57 |
| bkerensa | ahoneybun_: so per jono ^ Kubuntu Members can get one | 22:58 |
| ahoneybun_ | jono: thanks and NP :-) I would like membership status | 22:58 |
| valorie | anyway: my last word on a server - if it will be crappy in any way, we shouldn't do it at all | 22:58 |
| ahoneybun_ | If I can | 22:58 |
| ahoneybun_ | valorie: agreed | 22:58 |
| valorie | nothing is better than crappy | 22:58 |
| bkerensa | valorie: servers are always crappy... you have to maintain them and such | 22:58 |
| bkerensa | ;) | 22:59 |
| ahoneybun_ | bkerensa: even without I want membership | 22:59 |
| ahoneybun_ | Lol | 22:59 |
| valorie | bkerensa: I think you lack a bit of context; my point was top-notch support | 22:59 |
| ahoneybun_ | bkerensa: valorie if I do it I would make it the best I could | 22:59 |
| bkerensa | valorie: yar :) what would the server be used for? | 22:59 |
| valorie | our docs | 23:00 |
| valorie | mostly | 23:00 |
| valorie | moinmoin is really not a great wiki | 23:00 |
| * yofel has experience in how to not maintain a server | 23:00 | |
| yofel | time's the bigger issue though | 23:00 |
| ahoneybun_ | valorie: it lacks a few important features | 23:00 |
| valorie | my worry is that anything else without a lot of work won't be any better | 23:01 |
| yofel | wasn't it just the canonical installation that was missing features? | 23:01 |
| valorie | the KDE mediawiki instance, has a LOT of work into it | 23:01 |
| yofel | (of moinmoin) | 23:01 |
| valorie | theming, language/translation support | 23:01 |
| valorie | etc. | 23:02 |
| valorie | right now we have no language/translation support at ALL | 23:02 |
| ahoneybun_ | yofel: as it might be too late to do it for this release | 23:02 |
| valorie | yofel: dunno | 23:02 |
| valorie | ahoneybun_: for sure | 23:02 |
| valorie | hurry isn't important | 23:02 |
| valorie | quality is all we want | 23:02 |
| yofel | ahoneybun_: too late for what? If it's just exporting, wouldn't c&p of the wiki pages to a local install work? | 23:02 |
| yofel | (images would be an issue ofc) | 23:03 |
| valorie | yofel: if we do just that, there is no point | 23:03 |
| ahoneybun_ | valorie: Darkwing wanted them HTML so it would export languages | 23:03 |
| valorie | in fact, it would be worse than what we have, because right now we have canonical support | 23:03 |
| yofel | valorie: I mean for the part that ends up on the install image | 23:03 |
| valorie | yofel: work on that has not yet begun | 23:04 |
| yofel | ok, then I'm quiet | 23:04 |
| ahoneybun_ | yofel: that was the plan I believe then access over the internet for more work | 23:04 |
| valorie | Darkwing is in charge of that, and he's busy with his kids right now | 23:04 |
| ahoneybun_ | More detail | 23:04 |
| ahoneybun_ | Yea | 23:04 |
| valorie | right now we're just going wild on the wiki | 23:04 |
| ahoneybun_ | Lil wild | 23:05 |
| valorie | the docs for the image will be a tiny subset of that | 23:05 |
| ahoneybun_ | Yes | 23:05 |
| valorie | and we hope for excellent translation coverage of that, since it will be small and mostly unchanging | 23:06 |
| ahoneybun_ | We hope for excellent everywhere valorie :) | 23:06 |
| valorie | right | 23:06 |
| valorie | I'm working for that on the wiki version too | 23:07 |
| ahoneybun_ | I know laugh out load | 23:07 |
| ahoneybun_ | Lol | 23:07 |
| ahoneybun_ | valorie: can we host the wiki on KDE user base somehow? | 23:11 |
| valorie | we discussed that, as I recall, and came up with no answers | 23:12 |
| valorie | I think we would have to come up with a good proposal to KDE | 23:12 |
| juancarlospaco | was reading the package re-vamping proposal, interesting... | 23:13 |
| valorie | .... and might be better on Community | 23:13 |
| valorie | not sure | 23:13 |
| ahoneybun_ | Yes | 23:14 |
| juancarlospaco | I hope they consider Binary Deltas and UDP based delivery protocol, because we are on 2013 | 23:14 |
| ahoneybun_ | Community.kde.org | 23:17 |
| valorie | right | 23:28 |
| valorie | sec, restarting after updates | 23:28 |
| valorie | ok, off for dinner and dad-night | 23:45 |
| yofel | usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.nepomuk.FileWatch.xml goes into nepomuk-core-dev, right? | 23:47 |
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