[02:06] Hey there. (: [02:07] ahoneybun are you at keys? [02:07] hello littlegirl :) [02:07] what? [02:08] at keys [02:08] ? [02:08] You put the how-to line above the important line - you might want to switch those around. Also, did you and Valorie decide not to have the GUI (Muon) instructions in that section at all? [02:08] Ah, at keys is my way of saying at the keyboard. Sorry. (: [02:08] lol [02:09] I just removed the part dealing with the source.list [02:10] The part with Muon also got removed. If you do a diff you can see it. (: [02:11] I made sure and put GUI and command line instructions for everything, and there are now just command line instructions on that section. (: [02:13] Also, the "Add a PPA" subheading is gone from the "Managing Personal Package Archives" section. You might want to put that back as well. (: [02:13] I don't see anything about muon on ppas [02:14] I see [02:16] check it now :) [02:18] Hey guys:P [02:19] smartboyhw: hey [02:20] ahoneybun: How's docs? [02:20] smartboyhw: coming along :) [02:20] ;) [02:20] https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs-saucy-salamander/518d39bc9433cf5507000173 [02:21] ahoneybun: Almost perfect. (: [02:22] littlegirl: almost? [02:22] smartboyhw: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs [02:22] ahoneybun: Now you got rid of Valorie's changes at the bottom. If you replace === Remove a PPA === and everything beneath it with http://paste.ubuntu.com/5763387/ then you'll put Valorie's changes back in. (: [02:23] omg thanks [02:23] heh [02:23] She probably would have realized it and fetched them. (: [02:24] littlegirl: but more work for her [02:24] * littlegirl nods at ahoneybun [02:24] Hey there, smartboyhw. (: [02:24] Are you another docs contributor? [02:24] bad if we just erase each others work [02:24] littlegirl: o/ packager [02:25] Not a problem, though, because you can revert or at least copy and paste from the history. (: [02:25] tester also [02:25] smartboyhw: Oh! That's something I've never tried. (: [02:25] Tester I've been and will probably always be. (: [02:26] ahoneybun, what still needs doing that I can do? [02:26] well I have lordievader on something but he has been busy [02:27] not sure If I should just take him off [02:27] don't want to seem mean [02:27] Yeah, don't do that. I'd wait and see if he says he can' [02:27] can't do it. (: [02:28] Is there anything else? [02:28] I think we could use more content [02:28] not sure what though [02:29] Then I guess that can wait until you know what it ought to be. (: [02:29] well we have have gone over connecting to the internet, managing all the software [02:30] what you get in the included software and the technology behind those apps [02:31] smartboyhw: since you are a packager and tester could you give some insight to what the development page should have? [02:31] If I'm right that's the last thing for the software page [02:31] ahoneybun: You mean development software or!? [02:31] dev software [02:32] KDevelop, Eclipse… [02:32] smartboyhw: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Software/Development [02:32] ahoneybun: ^ [02:32] yea that [02:32] 's in there [02:33] QtCreator? [02:33] yep [02:35] ahoneybun: That'll do… [02:35] smartboyhw: why the "...": [02:35] ahoneybun: Why not the "…"? [02:36] yea [02:38] littlegirl: I guess we need some brainstorming [02:47] ahoneybun: Okay, but that sounds like a group thing - maybe for one of those meetings you guys hold. (: [02:48] well Darkwing is busy with his kids [02:50] I do wish to have another meeting [02:57] o/ [02:57] valorie: hey! [02:58] meeting sounds like a good thing, but there is no hurry, imo [02:58] hi [02:59] we've got the list -- it's a bit slower that way, but aside from ever more linking to the ubuntu and KDE sources, I think we have the bulk of what we need, done [02:59] valorie: I think we should have another soon to look at where we are and where we want to go now [02:59] right, but we can proceed on the list [02:59] it's summer now, and things will move more slowly [03:00] no one talks back on the list [03:00] it's the nature of foss projects [03:00] that's ok [03:00] I'm a bit more available [03:00] we've got a LOT done now [03:01] and I think we have a good working relationship now [03:01] Nice to meet you, valorie. (: [03:01] hi again, littlegirl [03:01] I've been around forever [03:01] welcome back [03:02] Oh, hehe, sorry about that. My life has been very upside down lately and I've been away from the computer for quite some time. (: [03:02] And thanks. (: [03:03] I guess I'm just looking for more to do [03:03] valorie: you think we got a lot done? [03:03] yes [03:03] one suggestion I have is to hang out in #kubuntu and maybe the forums, and notice what common questions come up [03:04] we should answer those; maybe in the form of an FAQ, or maybe we've already covered them [03:04] valorie: I added the ppa from #kubuntu [03:04] not bugs, but just common questions [03:04] the ppa from #kubuntu? [03:04] valorie: someone was aasking about it [03:04] not sure what you are referring to, or on what page..... [03:04] in there [03:05] there was nothing about ppas in any of our work so far [03:05] I saw someone was having problems with ppa [03:05] so littlegirl and I added that [03:05] oh, you mean you added to the managing repository page because of a question that was asked in #kubuntu? [03:05] cool [03:06] I read backlog, but sometimes lack context [03:06] it was missing ppa info [03:06] yes [03:06] not that we advocate their use, for beginners especially [03:07] but as people go along, sometimes they need backports, or betas [03:08] yea [03:09] also, offering support in #kubuntu is good for those who plan on becoming Kubuntu Members [03:09] :-) [03:09] and on the forums as well [03:10] valorie: I never liked forums too much [03:10] hard to find things to help out in [03:10] I love IRC though [03:10] well, that is the major way new people find us [03:11] because google sends them there -- forums along with our documentation [03:11] I think it's hard here because we don't have a bot which announces new questions [03:11] is there going to be a docs.kubuntu.org? [03:12] for instance, in #amarok, every new Amarok forum post is announced by a bot [03:12] that is cool [03:12] ahoneybun: that's a worthwhile question [03:12] yea [03:13] there are wibbly sort of plans for our own kubuntu server [03:13] where we could install our own wiki [03:13] I have heard about it before [03:13] or whatever we like [03:14] but when you feel that we're 'nearly there' -- bring it up to the -devel list, and see if you can get the Council to make that happen [03:15] do you feel we are nearly there? [03:15] I do [03:16] you are part of the council [03:16] what else do you think we need to help our our new users? [03:16] I am indeed [03:16] do we have a part about installing new languages? [03:16] and what else do you think we need to help people find our docs? [03:17] I'm not to sure what we can do about that on our part [03:17] what exactly do you mean by installing new languages? [03:17] just thinking out loud [03:17] setting up a pc for a new user [03:17] do you mean changing from Eng. to something else in the install process? [03:18] maybe have a install thing to walk them though the install process? [03:18] it might be cool to have an Installation page/s [03:18] yes, exactly [03:18] lots of images [03:19] that could be one page [03:19] perhaps even mostly the slides used on the DVD/usb [03:19] but a main page [03:19] making a dvd/usb [03:19] ? [03:19] I think that would be helpful for people deciding whether or not to install [03:19] if they see the entire process, it seems very non-scary [03:20] yes [03:20] and we can do links to the fiddly bits like installing beside windows [03:20] just how to get the images [03:20] etc. [03:20] those are all available, but I don't know where [03:20] the list will know though [03:21] google to the rescue [03:21] we looked before, as i recall, but I didn't find them [03:22] I especially would have appreciated a guide to reinstalling over a hosed install, next to windows, using an SSD [03:22] valorie: http://www.google.com/imgres?client=ubuntu&hs=YN1&sa=X&channel=fs&biw=1920&bih=901&tbm=isch&tbnid=B8BJCph1sCpnlM:&imgrefurl=http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/see-whats-new-in-kubuntu-1304-raring.html&docid=OlL0qgNJNfn5SM&imgurl=http://img.netupd8.com/kubuntu-13.04-installer.png&w=1022&h=766&ei=L4y6UYjUJ4bU8wSljoGADA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:8,s:0,i:106&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=182&tbnw=243&start=0&ndsp=32&tx=191&ty=93 [03:22] because my other laptop is still unusable [03:22] sorry [03:22] http://img.netupd8.com/kubuntu-13.04-installer.png [03:22] until I get my son to fix either grub, the fstab file, or the bios [03:22] not sure what exactly needs fixing [03:23] well, I'd like to see all the slides [03:23] yes I know [03:23] our artwork is so great! [03:25] the installer? [03:25] valorie: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/see-whats-new-in-kubuntu-1304-raring.html [03:26] that does have some of them [03:26] and that's a good website, for sure [03:28] I could just use a VM to get the images lol [03:28] anyway, that website author found the slides somewhere [03:28] so can we [03:28] they are in the ISO, for starters [03:29] which means, to me, that they are in a file on launchpad somewhere [03:29] the packagers will know where [03:30] I could just take them from the installation of the iso in a VM ;) [03:31] ok [03:32] got them all :) [03:33] cool [03:34] obviously they all need to be shrunk to a more reasonable size [03:35] yea [03:35] I was thinking it would be cool to have one image per page, and have a link at the bottom of each, after any necessary text, to just go forward and back [03:35] just like the actual install process [03:36] and make sure any links to outside pages are in a new tab, rather than navigating people away [03:36] not sure about the new tab thing [03:37] check trello and lay it out [03:37] I know when I'm doing something for the first time, I like to be able to get aquainted with the new thing as much as possible [03:37] so a main to link to the subpages [03:37] like [03:37] I'd like to make fed-up Windows users comfortable [03:37] to make this their first Linux [03:37] wouldn't that be great? [03:37] Hey valorie [03:38] hi smartboyhw [03:38] how are you? [03:38] /Install/DiskSetup [03:38] /Installing/DiskSetup [03:51] I think we lost littlegirl [03:55] seems [03:55] valorie: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Installing [03:56] nifty! [03:56] refresh the page [03:57] it seems shrunken a bit too much [03:57] and then click the image [03:57] I had to scale with gimp [03:57] that opens the full image [03:57] yeah [03:57] yep :) [03:58] what percentage did you shrink it? [03:58] I'm just wondering if either a bit more or less would be more clear [03:58] see how the fonts look funky? [03:58] I know [03:58] I made the width 550px then the height resized [03:58] worth playing with a bit [03:59] because we could do 600 or 500 and it might look better [03:59] with 600, centered [03:59] 725 and it still looks a but funky [04:00] try an even number [04:00] sometimes odd numbers do that [04:01] what is the raw size width? [04:01] gads, need the rest of my dinner [04:01] back in a min [04:04] k [04:28] any luck with other sizes? [04:31] not really [04:35] oh, well [04:35] aren't the originals svgs? [04:37] no [04:37] png [04:37] working on it [04:40] k [04:44] I think would I could [04:44] I did my best === G4MBY is now known as PaulW2U [04:47] I wonder why the ISO has png instead of svg [04:47] very odd [04:47] no [04:47] I took a snapshot [04:47] why? [04:47] thought that was best [04:47] we have access to the originals [04:47] oh [04:48] sec [04:57] brb [04:59] back [05:02] I'm working on a short para to kick off the series of slides [05:04] oh where are the images at [05:04] I thought you were getting the raw images off the ISO [05:05] if not, then I would look on launchpad [05:06] can't find them on the iso [05:06] I wouldn't know how to do that either [05:11] ahoneybun: https://launchpad.net/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [05:11] looks like they can just be checked out like anything else [05:12] that is ubuntu though [05:12] Provides the slideshows that are shown while installing Ubuntu, Kubuntu and other.... [05:13] I see [05:18] I can't copy them from there well without coping the branch === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [05:20] sure [05:20] I figured that the branch would have to be checked out, yeah [05:30] added my text [05:30] just a suggestion [05:31] what text? [05:32] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Installing [05:32] at the top [05:33] nice [05:34] I'm off for the night, I will post to the list later [05:37] cool [05:37] thanks for your work, ahoneybun [05:38] funny how we had the same idea at the same time [06:04] good morning [08:37] hmm, I'm not convinced any of these are ours http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20130614-saucy.html#kubuntu [08:38] kubuntu inherits the seeds that contain them. [08:51] something that might be worth adding to the todo list when releasing packages of new kde releases would be updating http://community.kde.org/KDE_SC/Binary_Packages i added .3 and .4, not sure how many people would look there but i think it looks good to have kubuntu listed [08:52] good thought, seaLne [08:52] and its easier now, as the list used to be in svn with special permissions needed to update [08:54] gosh, the major releases of Kubuntu are all still available [08:54] we could expand that list a LOT [08:54] probably not very useful though [08:57] seaLne: thanks added to ninjas [08:58] shadeslayer: how is 4.10.80 doing? [08:58] "SDO Needs updating" shadeslayer what's SDO? [08:59] http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.80_saucy.html hmm could be worse I guess [08:59] sdo = shared desktop ontologies [09:06] ah hah [09:26] queeestion: why does debian have kde-sc-dev-latest again? [09:26] Only reason I can think off is to prevents having to manually do rebuilds if like kdepimlibs disables a feature because kdelibs is too old which leads to other packages not building something as well [09:28] so they only have to update one entry in the Build-Depends: list rather than all of them? [09:28] hm, no. One ends up wrong linking too [09:28] Riddell: no, I meant why have it at all. But on second thought it makes sense [09:29] means I'll have to fix 4.10.80 though, as that has >= 4.10.4 [09:29] Quintasan: you know anything about libgadu? is it still useful? (it doesn't compile in saucy) === vinay is now known as Guest49778 [09:35] is gadugadu even working anymore? [09:35] I don't know [09:35] I've never known a single person who made use of it [09:35] it's only ever been popular in poland as I understand it [09:35] ah [09:36] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadu-Gadu yep still up says wp [09:41] shadeslayer: you only pushed kdelibs to bzr, right? [09:41] Hey yofel, shadeslayer [09:42] *sigh* [09:42] morning smartboyhw [09:42] yofel: nope, everything :( [09:43] sorry about the screw up :/ [09:43] shadeslayer: really o.O? I looked at kdepimlibs, konsole and kde-workspace and they don't have the changelog update... [09:43] aha [09:43] some of them were not pushed [09:43] see notepad [09:43] eh [09:43] invoke-rc.d: initscript android-tools-adbd, action "start" failed. [09:44] mhm, you're right [09:45] meh [09:45] yofel: so, how do we fix this screw up in a way that does not involve manually fixing each branch :( [09:46] shadeslayer: could you push whatever isn't pushed? [09:47] then simply running a small script over everything should work... [09:48] yofel: everything is pushed, except the packages that were moved to manual, should I push those too? [09:48] shadeslayer: You don't normally mess up do you? (Only I do…) [09:48] smartboyhw: yeah, I was doing multiple things yesterday [09:48] and I managed to lose track of one thing in the madness that was yesterday [09:49] shadeslayer: they should simply not build, otherwise I need to put a changelog check into the script [09:49] shadeslayer: Humans can't multitask (even if you DARE to think you can) [09:50] You haven't watched National Geographic's "Test your brain" ... [09:50] yofel: uh, for those manual packages debuild -S -sa doesn't even complete, and it's most likely because of patch failiures [09:50] smartboyhw: I keep thinking I can :/ [09:50] shadeslayer: I know [09:50] lol [09:50] What's the prob here? 4.11 beta 1? [09:51] yofel: right so, just make your script skip those packages? [09:51] smartboyhw: yeah, the initial upload of it went a bit wrong [09:51] I've documented the list on the etherpad [09:51] :( [09:51] hm... [09:51] true, I could just take the saucy package list, remove then and loop over the result [09:51] *them [09:51] yep [09:52] I should have something done in ~2h, it's lunch time in a few min. here [09:52] \o/ power [09:52] ^^ [09:52] yofel: np [09:53] Riddell: you didn't do any PPA-only work on 4.10.80 yet, right? [09:54] shadeslayer: on second thought... those packages should really be pushed even if they fail. Otherwise you need to do the dep update by hand as well... [09:54] (which is only really fine as long people remember to do it) [09:55] okay, I'll push those as well [09:55] thanks! [09:56] I need to teach kubuntu-initial-upload to do the same [09:57] yofel: nope [09:57] o [09:57] k [09:58] yofel: all done [09:58] oddly : Pushing kdeartwork [09:58] No new revisions or tags to push. [09:59] oh, debcommit is run after bzr-buildpackage-ppa [09:59] so it didn't even commit [10:00] hm, then moving the package build part below committing and pushing should fix it [10:06] new files in calligra beta, it is a beast http://paste.kde.org/773492/ [10:08] Riddell: Hurray! [10:14] valorie, gadu gadu is/was most popular instant messaging client here in Poland [10:17] soee: library got fixed, gadu in kopete is safe :) [10:29] Riddell, the kids in school will be happy :) they are using it most [10:46] 'Morning folks [10:59] yofel: btw I saw a build dep on kde-sc-dev-latest this morning [10:59] I was half asleep though, so I don't recall where I saw it [10:59] didn't we get rid of that last cycle? [10:59] shadeslayer: probably slipped in with a merge, shouldn't have any effect though? [11:00] I thought so too, just wanted to confirm if we are still using that [11:17] hmm you should give public access to ninjas notes, now i dont know how 4.11 beta builds :< [11:18] it is public [11:18] you just have to signup on identity.kde.org [11:18] and http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.80_saucy.html [11:20] why i cant use custom nickname ? [11:21] custom nickname where? [11:21] on i.ko? [11:21] ask kde sysadmins... [11:21] shadeslayer, it generates few option bye first and second name i entered [11:21] but there is not option to use custom one :< [11:22] thats how it works :P [11:22] thats bad :/ [11:58] alright, our first autopilot test : lp:~rohangarg/+junk/autopilot [11:59] Riddell, valorie: Yeah, people still use gg in Poland [11:59] just branch, cd into the autopilot dir and run autopolit run kubuntu [11:59] The question is how many IM cliets use that [11:59] Riddell: I can see kopete and ekg using that [12:00] needs the default kicker in the panel + the kicker should have the shortcut of alt+f1 [12:28] Now now Riddell, which alpha are we not in this cycle? [12:32] well we did say no alpha 2 [12:32] but it's being moved about and alpha 3 dropped [12:32] so I expect we'll do both alphas [12:37] Alpha 3 dropped?! [12:37] * smartboyhw misses too much during his exam. [12:39] it's still in discussion on -release [12:42] Riddell: Sure. Lubuntu has the same thought as you guys. [12:42] That's what I heard from mailing lists. [12:43] Riddell: Please let them know if it's OK with us to move Alpha 1 a week later on top of KDE 4.1 beta 2 or not. [12:43] oh move alpha 1 as well [12:44] OK. Tell infinity/skaet/etc. [13:02] hum [13:02] alt+left arrow moves to the text virtual terminal [13:02]