[00:05] <rosco_y> what's the easiest way to insall the latest version of adobe flash-player in 12.04 LTS?
[00:06] <rosco_y> I just recently installed some recommended upgrades, and now websites are complaining that I don't have the flaash-player plugin
[00:15] <genii> rosco_y: If you put in URL bar of browser:   about:plugins     ...what version does it say you have?
[00:19] <genii> ( because 11.2 is the last version Adobe released for Linux, but some websites want a later version, which is for Windows. The only later version than 11.2 which is for Linux is hardcoded into the Chrome browser)
[00:26] <rosco_y> genii: I'm surprised, because there isn't any flash-player plugins listed at all when I followed your "about:plugins" recommendation
[00:27] <genii> rosco_y: Perhaps then to install package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:27] <genii> That will pull in the flash player
[00:28] <rosco_y> genii: , thank you :)
[00:29] <genii> rosco_y: You're welcome
[05:43] <rosco_y> can I install 13.04 alongside my 12.04, so that I can choose which one I want to boot?
[06:47] <SorenHolm> Hi
[06:48] <SorenHolm> How does KDE figure out the system capabillities in relation to power (suspend to ram/disk etc.). My system does not recognize that suspend to ram is actually possible.
[07:35] <pram> hi
[10:46] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:39] <jap_> bjr ici
[12:55] <ManDurphy> hello
[14:18] <therazr> so 12.04 + PPAs becomes more or less the same as 13.04?
[14:19] <Pici> therazr: I'm not sure what you're asking exactly, but you shouldn't use PPAs designed for other releases.
[14:19] <therazr> Pici: kubuntu backports ppas for 12.04 lts
[14:21] <Pici> therazr: oh. I misread.  Someone else may need to correct me, but I think that the KDE PPA will bring you up to a more recent KDE version, the other distro packages will not have the same benefit though.  KDE is a special case.
[14:21] <therazr> Pici: Is the upgrade from 12.04 lts to 14.04 lts (when it comes out) a safe procedure?
[14:22] <Pici> therazr: Yes. LTS to LTS upgrades are always supported and should be safe.
[14:23] <therazr> Pici: It's 4 months now until 13.10. And 13.04 is only supported until January 2014. So maybe I should choose Kubuntu 12.04 lts don't you think? And then upgrade to 14.04 when it's out
[14:24] <Pici> therazr: If you want to minimize upgrades, then yes, that might be a better path.
[14:25] <therazr> Pici: don't you think Mir will break the upgrades to 14.04 lts?
[14:25] <Pici> therazr: I don't expect to see Mir introduced in an LTS.
[14:26] <therazr> Pici: I think they expect to achieve that full convergence between form factors, including Mir, by 14.04. They are providing an experimental Mir experience with 13.10 already
[14:27] <Pici> therazr: In any case, there will be an upgrade path provided.
[14:27] <therazr> good
[14:27] <therazr> Is KDE5.0 coming with 14.04?
[14:27] <Esokrates> hi, when i change a boot parameter in /etc/default/grub is it necessary to run update-initramfs -u too?
[14:28] <Esokrates> @therazr, not for sure
[14:29] <Esokrates> therazr, it depends on how fast things develop, as kde is completely independend from kubuntu as you may know
[14:29] <BluesKaj> is kubuntu actually going to use mir ?
[14:29] <therazr> Esokrates: I know I know :). But I think they are not making major changes like they did in KDE3->4 transition
[14:29] <smartboyhw_> BluesKaj: NO :P
[14:30] <Esokrates> BluesKaj, if you ask martin gräßlin, then no
[14:30] <BluesKaj> then why the discussion ?
[14:30] <Esokrates> because shuttleworth promised it would work
[14:31] <Esokrates> but kde upstream refuses to support distribution specific code
[14:31] <BluesKaj> i read that kubuntu wasn't going to touch mir with a 10ft pole :)
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Esokrates, shuttleworth isn't supporting kubuntu so we can't expect anything from him realistically no matter what canonical does withg the ubuntu-core
[14:33] <Torch> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2013/05/mir-in-kubuntu/
[14:33] <therazr> BluesKaj: That doesn't mean he is interested in losing the Ubuntu derivatives he accepted Ubuntu GNOME just 2 months ago
[14:34] <BluesKaj> therazr, well , methinks Blue Systems may ahve a thing or 2 to say about that
[14:34] <smartboyhw_> therazr: But it doesn't mean he will make their lifes better…
[14:36] <BluesKaj> the kubuntu is no longer suported by canonical , derivative or not
[14:36] <BluesKaj> therazr,6
[14:37] <therazr> BluesKaj: I know, but I think canonical is interested in having them anyway. Because they know many people use those derivatives don't you think? And since they have the same release cycles for the supported (Unity) edition and derivatives, don't think they will drop that
[14:39] <smartboyhw_> therazr: They won't "drop" alternatives, but em Mark doesn't want them to sell better than Ubuntu itself…
[14:40] <BluesKaj> therazr, somehow I doubt that , canonical is going in a different direction with Unity etc , so if the change in direction and philosophy continues , the responsoibility will be left up to the derivatives to keep up[
[14:40] <therazr> smartboyhw_: They never sold better than the Ubuntu derivatives. So that is not relevant
[14:40] <therazr> And Ubuntu is not going to sell much more than what it sells now, I think that is being realistic
[14:41] <therazr> BluesKaj: I don't doubt that. But they will provide Wayland or X11 as an alternative don't you think? So the derivatives can use them
[14:44] <BluesKaj> kubuntu is also going it's own by default due to canonical dropping support so the other derivatives are on their own except for kubuntu which has solid support so far.
[14:44] <therazr> BluesKaj: Xubuntu and Kubuntu users also count for the current Ubuntu market share
[14:47] <BluesKaj> whoever's polling the market share better qualify their findings , but inclusion doesn't make it real , just helps inflate ubuntu's rating
[14:50] <therazr> BluesKaj: I think having the derivatives is interesting for Canonical and Ubuntu. They just don't support them officially because probably they don't have the resources for that
[14:54] <BluesKaj> Blue Syatms hired 2 devs from Canonical , one of which was doing exclusive kubuntu support , which Canonical dropped,  , so Suttleworth's intentions were very clear about ubuntu's new direction
[14:58] <therazr> BluesKaj: Canonical never "supported" Kubuntu seriously, even when it was considered part of Canonical. So it never was a priority, I don't think they showed less interest in Kubuntu after giving it to Blue Systems than what they showed previously
[15:01] <BluesKaj> therazr, I beg to differ, they had a developer working on it exclusively up until shuttleworth decided to change direction with Unity ... go ask in kubuntu-devel
[15:03] <therazr> BluesKaj: well, Unity has more than one developer though
[15:03] <BluesKaj> the unity change challenged their resources and the derivatives like kubuntu suffered a lack of attention when the kubuntu dev(s) had to take on more work
[15:04] <therazr> BluesKaj: I mean, you really can't notice the differences unless you knew about the change. Kubuntu is more or less the same it was with Canonical. I might add I think it is better now
[15:05] <therazr> Remember when Kubuntu was considered a 2nd class citizen in the realm of KDE distros?
[15:05] <BluesKaj> yes it is  , definitely
[15:06] <therazr> BluesKaj: Together with Ubuntu, Kubuntu 12.04 LTS is the only derivative supported for 5 years too
[15:08] <therazr> BluesKaj: And I might add Netrunner is an excellent distro run by Blue Systems
[15:08] <BluesKaj> therazr, once mir is default on ubuntu , i think we can trully classify kubuntu hardly derivative :)
[15:10] <therazr> BluesKaj: That is not the point. Using Mir or Wayland is irrelevant for that statement I think. What matters is what Canonical considers as their official derivatives, e.g., what follows the same release cycles. As long as they keep true to the ubuntu toolchain, there is nothing wrong if they don't use Mir at all probably
[15:12] <muddles17> Many errors with xorg have been temporarily fixed for now. kde will be using wayland, so mir shouldn't effect kde.
[15:13] <BluesKaj> hardly irrelavant , semantics aside the reality is kubuntu is seriously on it's own however you want to define derivative
[15:14] <therazr> BluesKaj: That's the way Canonical defines derivate from my pov. It doesn't mean they support them financially of course
[15:14] <BluesKaj> okj now , back to support ...this disussion should have been in OT
[15:14] <therazr> lol
[15:47] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[16:48] <javier___> Hi
[16:49] <alan_o> So is anyone aware of some pretty serious issues with printing in kubuntu?
[16:50] <alan_o> For example, I'm completely unable to figure out how to even add a printer.
[16:50] <alan_o> and apologies up front if I sound a bit frustrated
[16:50] <alan_o> I've been using normal ubuntu for a long time and never had an issue with this
[16:51] <alan_o> 1. press the K, type printers, click "Printers: Configure your printers"
[16:51] <alan_o> press "click here to add a new printer"
[16:51] <javier___> yep
[16:51] <alan_o> see a dialog: "Password -Add Printer"
[16:51] <alan_o> username is filled in as "root"
[16:52] <alan_o> I change it to my logged in username and password (which has sudo permissions)
[16:52] <alan_o> I see "failed to get a list of devices: 'forbidden'"
[16:52] <javier___> mmm... with your user and pass...
[16:52] <alan_o> yes, with my user and pass that I use for everything else that pops up such a box on this login.
[16:52] <javier___> hey... see in the web browser: http://localhost:631
[16:53] <alan_o> yes
[16:53] <alan_o> I'm getting to that :)
[16:53] <alan_o> Well, let's get to it now....: http://localhost:631/help/network.html
[16:53] <javier___> ok... is the cups server...
[16:54] <alan_o> cupsd seems to be running
[16:54] <javier___> ok...
[16:54] <alan_o> I'm curious why it's seeming to want a root password there
[16:55] <javier___> for the root password... Open a windows terminal, write sudo -s and input your password
[16:55] <alan_o> ok, you want me to set a root password?
[16:55] <javier___> yep
[16:56] <alan_o> ok, so now that seems to work.
[16:56] <javier___> passwd root...  enter the unix password... and etc!
[16:56] <alan_o> should I file a bug? I can't be the first to have run into this....
[16:57] <alan_o> got that, typed it in the box, and I now see a list of printer types
[16:57] <Quintasan> Wait there
[16:57] <Quintasan> Wait wait wait, why on earth are you trying to log in into CUPS as root
[16:58] <javier___> mmmm... em... qhat printer have you??
[16:58] <alan_o> it even discovered my network printer, which is nice (older Ubuntus did that, and then newer ones didn't, for some reason and I had to type the IP, but tahts' neither here nor there)
[16:58] <alan_o> HP TN2100N: JetDirect
[16:58] <javier___> what printer have you??
[16:58] <javier___> for USB conect??
[16:58] <alan_o> no
[16:58] <alan_o> It's a network printer
[16:58] <javier___> for ip...
[16:58] <javier___> ok,
[16:58] <alan_o> yes
[16:58] <alan_o> :9100
[16:59] <therazr> Quintasan: root isn't needed to administrate CUPS?
[16:59] <alan_o> Quintasan: I'm doing what it's telling me to do. I don't like it either. I don't know why it wants a root login
[16:59] <Quintasan> alan_o: It's a network printer, alright, what is the host system?
[16:59] <alan_o> Quintasan: host system?
[16:59] <Quintasan> therazr: You should be able to access cups with YOUR username and password, not root
[16:59] <alan_o> It's an HP JetDirect printer directly on the network
[16:59] <alan_o> Quintasan: it says no
[16:59] <Quintasan> alan_o: Ahh, okay, I see.
[17:00] <Quintasan> alan_o: I presume you tired adding it directly by IP address, right?
[17:00] <alan_o> yes, that's the 2nd part of my frustration
[17:00] <alan_o> as soon as I put the address in, it printed 4 pages of junk, twice
[17:00] <alan_o> before I could even select the driver type
[17:01] <Quintasan> alan_o: Can you access localhost:631 with your username and password?
[17:01] <alan_o> Quintasan: no password necessary even
[17:01] <Quintasan> alan_o: Go to Administartion -> Add printer
[17:01] <Quintasan> It should ask for username and password now
[17:02] <javier___> hey... kubuntu have a KDE-PRINTER.. or kde-printermanagment
[17:02] <alan_o> Quintasan: my username and pw comes up with "unable to add printer: forbidden"
[17:02] <alan_o> oh wait
[17:02] <alan_o> I think this may be my fault
[17:02] <Quintasan> That means you are probably not in the lpadmin group alan_o
[17:02] <alan_o> I blew away my groups accidentally the otherday (usermod and forgot to add -a)
[17:03] <alan_o> dang it.
[17:03] <alan_o> yeah, I bet that's the problem
[17:03] <Quintasan> That's probably part of the problem.
[17:03] <javier___> see this page
[17:03] <javier___> http://www.kubuntu.org/doc/7.10/printing/C/print.html
[17:03] <alan_o> arrgh. I thought I restored all the groups, but I gutess I missed one
[17:03] <javier___> or... http://userbase.kde.org/Printer_Config
[17:03] <alan_o> javier___: 7.10 ?
[17:04] <Quintasan> javier___: That document is kind of OLD, we are currently at 13.04
[17:04] <alan_o> yes. Either way, I'll fix my group. I'm sure I can figure it out once that's fixed.
[17:05] <javier___> there are things that have not changed
[17:05] <alan_o> *sigh* sorry for the noise, I went ballistic when something basic seemed so fundamentally broken.
[17:05] <alan_o> I'll need to re-logout
[17:05] <therazr> Quintasan: Its regarding ibus and Kubuntu. Can you write characters such as á é ã ô in libreoffice? thanks
[17:05] <Quintasan> alan_o: Good luck, I think you might have better luck adding that through webui
[17:06] <Quintasan> therazr: I do not think you need ibus for that
[17:06] <Guest96044> hi
[17:06] <alan_o> Quintasan: I like to try to do things the more desktop-integrated ways, just to exercise them. Failing that, yeah, I'll try on the cups web interface.
[17:06] <Quintasan> alan_o: Hmm
[17:07] <Quintasan> alan_o: Try doing that via the GUI once you fix your groups maybe
[17:07] <Quintasan> if not then use the webui
[17:07] <Quintasan> Guest96044: hi
[17:07] <Quintasan> therazr: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/14/plasma-desktopNA2481.png
[17:07] <therazr> Quintasan: I need ibus to write japanese though. And I can't have 2 input methods at the same time, Xorg doesn't like that xD
[17:07] <Quintasan> Ah yes
[17:07] <Guest96044> how can i get sholarship
[17:07] <Guest96044> ?
[17:07] <Quintasan> Guest96044: That's probably not the right channel
[17:07] <Quintasan> therazr: Do you have anthy installed?
[17:08] <Quintasan> therazr: ibus-anthy is the package
[17:08] <therazr> Quintasan: yes. The problem is not anthy. It's ibus, because I can use mozc too to write japanese.
[17:08] <therazr> ibus-mozc
[17:08]  * Quintasan looks
[17:09] <therazr> and ibus-anthy. Both work fine. The problem is the characters with accents áãẽéẽónñ etc. in GTK apps. This problem doesn't happen in GTK-based DEs though
[17:10] <Quintasan> therazr: You can't type those in GTK apps under KDE but it works in say GNOME or XFCE?
[17:10] <therazr> indeed :P
[17:11] <Quintasan> Well, I could either blame GTK integration OR the backend itself or LibreOffice
[17:12] <therazr> Quintasan: Guess what, it also works on other KDE distros like Fedora or Mageia. It's just Kubuntu lol, every version
[17:12] <Quintasan> Hmm
[17:13] <Quintasan> therazr: At the same time I'm wondering how the hell do you input the accent characters with mozc since it's made for Japanese input and I'm pretty sure there are no such symbols in Japanese
[17:13] <Guest96044> sandra
[17:14] <Quintasan> therazr: Truth be told I'd force the switch to fcitx because I find ibus damn buggy
[17:14] <therazr> Quintasan: Yes, that's what I was going to wask. Among scim, fcitx and uim which one is better alternative?
[17:15] <Quintasan> Since you are using mozc as backend I'd say you can go with fcitx
[17:15] <Quintasan> scim I think has had no development for quite a while
[17:15] <therazr> Quintasan: Whenever I want to write these characters I just disable the IME with ctrl+space.
[17:15] <alan_o> Quintasan: javier___ : Thanks. Works great now. Sorry for my frustration.
[17:15] <Quintasan> alan_o: Great.
[17:16] <Quintasan> therazr: Hah, lol I can type them just fine here
[17:16] <Quintasan> therazr: I'd say you broke something then
[17:16] <therazr> Quintasan: Also, mozc or anthy?
[17:16] <Quintasan> I'm not sure what though
[17:17] <Quintasan> therazr: I have been using anthy for quite a while but mozc seems also good
[17:17] <Quintasan> therazr: I'd give both a go but now I'm supposted to be studying for exams :P
[17:18] <therazr> I can write in Romaji here with the IME enabled too, but I need to disable the IME to write the characters with the accents.
[17:19] <therazr> Since the IME assumes the English keyboard as the fallback I think
[17:19] <Quintasan> therazr: Look, if the backend doesn't have support for those characters there is no way you should be able to input those symbols with the IME enabled
[17:19] <Quintasan> at least there should be no way
[17:19] <therazr> But that's ok, do you know about uim?
[17:19] <Quintasan> I know about it but I have mixed feeling about it
[17:20] <Quintasan> therazr: I'd rather use fcitx with mozc
[17:20] <Quintasan> I think it also has anthy backend but it's not in the repositories yet
[17:21] <therazr> I found uim-anthy
[17:21] <therazr> ups
[17:21] <therazr> fcitx
[17:21] <therazr> fcitx-anthy too
[17:21] <Quintasan> The problem with input methods is that there are multiple backends and god knows which one is better
[17:22] <Quintasan> therazr: Saucy or Raring?
[17:22] <therazr> Quintasan: isnt mozc provided by Google?
[17:22] <Quintasan> >This open-source project originates from Google Japanese Input.
[17:23] <therazr> Quintasan: I'm on saucy, its only there like you said (fcitx-anthy). Maybe it's buggy, so I might prefer mozc
[17:23] <Quintasan> Ohhhhh
[17:23] <Quintasan> wait
[17:23] <Quintasan> I never said anything about it being buggy
[17:24] <Quintasan> ibus is buggy as hell
[17:24] <Quintasan> at least when it comes to QT
[17:24] <Quintasan> Qt integration.
[17:24] <Quintasan> Try fcitx-anthy and let me know how it works
[17:25] <therazr> I think the version of ibus in kubuntu is old, or something. Because it's very different than what you get in Fedora or Mageia. I mean, the Graphical Interface to configure it has many more options in the latter distros
[17:25] <Quintasan> therazr: fcitx, scim, uim, ibus and hime and whatnot are frontends, while anthy and mozc are backends
[17:26] <Quintasan> therazr: the default frontend in *buntu is IBus
[17:26] <therazr> Quintasan: I know I know. Which one has smarter guessing for Japanese words (the kanji equivalents to the romaji), anthy or mozc?
[17:27] <Quintasan> therazr: You have to try both, I'd say mozc since I used the Google Japanese Input on Android and it was great
[17:27] <Quintasan> therazr: But I only used anthy on my desktop
[17:27] <therazr> Yea, since you are a native it should be mostly the same with either :)
[17:28] <Quintasan> therazr: Ha ha, not, I'm from Poland :P
[17:28] <Quintasan> If that's what you were reffering to by native
[17:29] <therazr> LOL. Ok then, you are still knowledgeable on the language
[17:29] <Quintasan> therazr: That said, if you decide to give FCITX a go, be sure to let me know how that work in KDE, I'm assuming you are using that
[17:30] <Quintasan> therazr: I'd like to think that but I can barely put sentences together :P
[17:30] <therazr> I am on KDE. If I weren't, ibus would be enough
[17:31] <Quintasan> ああああああああああ
[17:31] <Quintasan> well
[17:31] <therazr> So are you learning the language? I know this should be offtopic :P
[17:31] <Quintasan> When you pull ibus-anthy it should work without any magic
[17:31] <Quintasan> yeah, let's move it to offtopic
[18:50] <KeanuR_> hello together.. freshly installed 13.04 (used 12.04 before) now i cant open my crypted harddrives with luksopen even the password is 100% correct... any ideas?
[18:53] <KeanuR_> hmm better to ask in a real linux channel?
[20:01] <tumor130> xxxxxxxxxx
[20:02] <genii> Hm.
[21:24] <hellslinger> anyone know how to get blur working for konsole in 4.10?
[21:24] <marcosnt1177> tem alguem ae
[21:25] <marcosnt1177> have brazilian user here