[00:04] <phunyguy> hello... I am probably doing something wrong here, but I am trying to get upstart to startx with xbmc-standalone process for my new media PC on a ubuntu server install. I have /etc/init/xbmc.conf set up to run the command, but it never runs... am I missing something?  I don't know much about upstart.
[00:05] <phunyguy> I can login as the user that it runs as and type the startx command, and it runs perfectly.
[00:06] <sarnold> phunyguy: servers don't typically have X installed, you may have better luck in #ubuntu
[00:06] <phunyguy> yeah I installed it
[00:06] <phunyguy> and I doubt it :(
[00:07] <sarnold> hehe, could be :/
[00:08] <phunyguy> but in theory, if you just put a .conf in /etc/init, with the proper parameters, upstart should start it, right?
[00:08] <sarnold> phunyguy: I think lightdm can be configured to log in a given user without bothering with password.. that might be easier than dealing with 'startx' manually from an upstart script
[00:08] <phunyguy> or am I way off there? I just think I am missing a step somewhere
[00:09] <phunyguy> sarnold: that's the thing, it works as expected if I type the command manually.
[00:09] <phunyguy> so essentially the way lightdm would be started, I just want it to start xbmc instead.
[00:19] <qman__> phunyguy, it's going to be way easier to just use a normal desktop manager and configure it to automatically do what you want than to try and make startx run by itself
[00:19] <qman__> people already figured out how to start X on boot, no need to reinvent the wheel
[00:20] <phunyguy> I didn't think it would be that difficult.... I followed a how-to, but it's just... not working.  I suppose I can have lightdm call xbmc for it's session.... no?
[00:20] <phunyguy> its*
[00:22] <phunyguy> WOW lightdm pulls in a TON of dependencies....
[00:22] <phunyguy> that was what I was trying to avoid.  :(
[00:23] <phunyguy> and sarnold, I asked in #ubuntu and got what I expected.  "Why not just use XBMCbuntu".  Ugh...
[00:24] <phunyguy> I don't want the easy way out, I want it to be what I want it to be.  :)
[00:24] <qman__> try with --no-install-recommends
[00:25] <phunyguy> that's better
[00:25] <phunyguy> 3 packages is better than 30/
[00:25] <qman__> being a desktop manager, it's going to recommend a lot of desktop stuff
[00:25] <phunyguy> yeah it was all unity related poop.
[00:27] <qman__> and if lightdm won't do what you want, there's always xdm
[00:31] <phunyguy> WOOHOO!!  Got it.  Thanks!
[00:32] <phunyguy> this is pretty.  Got it using a custom xbmc boot splash screen, then when it launches xbmc it uses the same logo as the boot splash for the app splash, just the dots dissappear... that looks neat.  Then xbmc pops up!  Thank you for your help.
[00:33] <sarnold> phunyguy: nice :)
[00:38] <EDocToor> Hello sarnold , I think that I have to put "export LS_COLORS=$LS_COLORS:"di=01;34":"di=01;33"" into my ~/.bashrc ... but where?
[00:39] <EDocToor> to change the BLUE to YELLOW
[00:40] <EDocToor> or do I ~# dircolors -p > ~/.dircolors
[00:41] <EDocToor> and edit the di=01;33 and somehow edit the bashrc to read the file
[00:41] <EDocToor> I get so close.. but too afraid to muck up
[00:42] <sarnold> EDocToor: note the bit in your ~/.bashrc near # enable color support of ls and also add handy aliases
[00:43] <EDocToor> I am there..
[00:43] <dacdave> Anybody using landscape to manage ubuntu servers?
[00:46] <dacdave> I have a server running natty (11.04). Having trouble installing landscape-client. "Failed to fetch..." serveral times.
[00:47] <dacdave> Worked fine from server running precise (12.04 LTS).
[00:49] <sarnold> dacdave: natty reached end-of-life about seven months ago: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[00:49] <sarnold> dacdave: natty's replacement reached end of life about one month ago
[00:51] <EDocToor> sarnold, add this line within the # enable if statement... maybe .... """  alias di='di --color=01;33'   """
[00:51] <sarnold> EDocToor: heh, probably easier would be to modify your ~/.dircolors file
[00:52] <EDocToor> brb
[00:54] <EDocToor> sarnold how do I run the .bashrc to see if a change has occurred
[00:54] <EDocToor> reboot
[00:54] <EDocToor> LOL
[00:55] <sarnold> EDocToor: "source .bashrc"
[00:55] <EDocToor> it seems man uses too many words that I don't understand
[00:55] <sarnold> EDocToor: but 'source' gets old, you can also run ". .bashrc"
[01:02] <EDocToor> Success
[01:02] <EDocToor> I have YELLOW directories
[01:02] <dacdave> So I have to manually install precise before I can add this server to landscape?
[01:03] <dacdave> That's what I did on my first server, but was hoping for a better path for the other four. :(
[01:03] <sarnold> dacdave: you -might- be able to use the old-releases to install landscape, and -that- might be able to help you upgrade..
[01:05] <dacdave> Thanks. I just started my trial of landscape, and I have a support ticket in with Canonical. I'll wait until I hear something from them.
[01:05] <sarnold> ah cool, they'll probably know better than I will :)
[01:18] <EDocToor> sarnold, it turns out to be : dircolors -p > ~/.dircolors ::: edit .dircolors DIR 01;33 # directory ::: and . .bashrc ::: After Reboot the DIRECTORIES are in fact YELLOW
[01:18] <sarnold> EDocToor: well done :)
[01:18] <sarnold> reboot wasn't strictly necessary, you just needed to source the ~/.bashrc in whichever shells you still had open
[01:19] <sarnold> but still, that was a few steps :) hehe
[01:20] <EDocToor> did I understand the man... not very well... but I'll watch this channel to learn the words.. REBOOT was my way of saying perminint without admitting that I can not spell it.. to tell the truth
[01:23] <sarnold> EDocToor: haha :) a new command to learn; install the bsdmainutils and wamerican packages, and you can use the 'look' command to look up words by the first few letters :) 'look perm' returns only 47 words, which makes it easy to see how to spell the word you're after. :)
[01:25] <EDocToor> sarnold.. is that on a command line server... or install on the GUI client
[01:26] <sarnold> EDocToor: whichever one is most convenient.
[01:26] <EDocToor> do you know why my "locate" doesn't always seem to locate?
[01:27] <EDocToor> I guess I have to learn to grep
[01:27] <sarnold> EDocToor: the locate database is rebuilt only occasionally
[01:27] <EDocToor> makes sense
[01:28] <EDocToor> I am so pleased with my yellow directory
[01:28] <EDocToor> bbl have to stand for a bit.. thank you very very much
[01:28] <sarnold> when I first started with linux I actually went to the effort of using a full-text indexing engine to index the entire hard drive for keywords. I could recall the keywords I wanted to change, just not where the files were located. ;) I don't thnk I'd recommend it, but I do recall spending forever trying to remember file locations.
[01:30] <EDocToor> I read the MS-DOS 3.1 front to back three times... and wrote batch files that were 5 to 7 pages long...
[01:31] <EDocToor> So I am very old
[01:31] <EDocToor> is what I am saying
[01:31] <EDocToor> as I see I am dating myself
[01:31] <sarnold> nice. when I started with dos, 5.0 had just been released and was the shiny new thing. :)
[01:32]  * genii gets nostalgic for dos 3.3
[01:33]  * thumper remembers cpm
[01:33] <genii> thumper: Me too :)
[01:40] <hallyn> thumper: .
[01:40] <thumper> hallyn: oh hai
[01:40] <thumper> hallyn: I have a couple of lxc questions, but nothing urgent
[01:40] <thumper> so I'll put them into an email
[01:40] <thumper> OTP right now
[01:40] <hallyn> thumper: ok, thanks :)  ttyl
[01:40] <thumper> ciao
[01:41] <EDocToor> Yes, bill figured out that an end user OS that didn't require a degree in programming would make him rich.. thats what I like about UBUNTU... it is exactly what the end users are looking for...
[02:33] <EDocToor> like Sheldon Cooper 'big bang theory' says, "I ammmmm back"
[02:34] <EDocToor> hehe
[02:53] <adam_g_> jamespage, zul needed for CA http://people.canonical.com/~agandelman/ca/folsom/keystone_2013.1.1-0ubuntu2.1~cloud0/
[03:41] <EDocToor> I am lonely
[03:58] <EDocToor> I am tall
[03:58] <EDocToor> anyone home... hehe
[06:31] <airtonix> is there any way to disable screen lock on byobu? (on aws ubuntu instances the default ubuntu user doesn't have a password)
[08:37] <thelamest> any Piwik users here, does the database grow linearly forever or does it more or less stabilize after 4 months when old archives are removed?
[08:38] <lifeless> thelamest: whats Piwik?
[08:39] <thelamest> lifeless: website statistics, somewhat fancier than webalizer/awstats
[08:39] <progre55> Hi guys. When I do a "grep -a <some_pattern>" on the entire device in /dev/sda, I find some matching text, but when I do a recursive grep on the mounted partition, it finds nothing. Is there a way of finding that data and getting rid of it? Are there any tools that clean the deleted sectors of a disk?
[08:40] <lifeless> there are
[08:40] <lifeless> progre55: apt-get install secure-delete
[08:42] <progre55> lifeless: but how do I find what I want to delete? I mean, I don't have a file-pointer to the data.. or does secure-delete take care of that, too?
[08:42] <lifeless> progre55: I understood your question :)
[08:43] <lifeless> progre55: read the description of secure-delete if you're not sure, but it's small.... install it, read the man page, enjoy.
[08:43] <lifeless> progre55: note that secure delete on SSD's is actually ridiculously hard.
[08:44] <lifeless> [and secure-delete is probably not going to be effective at it, even though it will fix it for the simple case of grep]
[08:47] <progre55> lifeless: thanks a lot, will give it a shot
[09:56] <liquid-silence> hi all
[09:56] <liquid-silence> I need a tool that can monitor my router for traffic via upnp
[09:56] <liquid-silence> as it does not support snmp
[10:00] <slyboots> Afternoon folk
[10:18] <slyboots> Im just thinking about something.. is there any notworthy difference between SATA-150/300?
[10:18] <slyboots> Looking at a SAS card for my little home NAS, found something on eBay but its ony SATA150..
[10:24] <mardraum> throughput?
[10:26] <slyboots> well Im thinking if your just using SATA physical disks
[10:26] <slyboots> In a "home" enviroment, would the different between SATA3 and SATA1.5 be that noticable
[10:26] <mardraum> depends what you do at home I guess
[10:28] <liquid-silence> no one knows?
[10:28] <liquid-silence> hmm anyone know of a tool that can do upnp monitoring of network interfaces?
[10:29] <liquid-silence> I need to monitor a router that does not support snmp
[10:29] <slyboots> I suppose what Im thinking if if Im moving a 1Tb file to the NAS to a SATA 1.5, what sorta speeds would I be likly to see
[10:29] <_ruben_> upnp isn't meant for monitoring afaik
[10:29] <slyboots> Right now Im getting about 80/90MB a sec on SATA3 disks
[10:30] <_ruben_> you wont get much more out of a single sata disk
[10:31] <_ruben_> also, buying a sas card is rather overkill when using sata disks
[10:32] <_ruben_> also, the bus usually isn't the limiting factor. in most scenarios at least
[10:32] <slyboots> _ruben_: I just need more space.  and I can get a low-grade SAS card for next to nothing
[10:59] <smb> zul, libvirt 1.0.6-0ubuntu1 installed on Saucy  fails to give connection from Precise virt-manager (downgrading to 1.0.5-0ubuntu1 makes it work again)
[11:00] <smb> zul, Might be because of "virKeepAliveTimerInternal:140 : No response from client 0x7f911c7d2300 after 5 keepalive messages in 31 seconds"
[11:33] <koolhead17> jamespage: around?
[11:33] <jamespage> koolhead17, yep
[11:33] <koolhead17> found pot of gold today http://techbackground.blogspot.in/
[11:33] <koolhead17> nice written blogpost with/around quantum
[11:33] <koolhead17> ubuntu
[11:34] <koolhead17> jamespage: see if it helps :)
[11:34] <jamespage> koolhead17, yeah - thats a nice feature
[11:34] <jamespage> the quantum-gateway charm supports that for grizzly
[11:35] <jamespage> although I prefer config-drive myself
[11:35] <koolhead17> jamespage: :)
[11:35] <koolhead17> so all charming stuff around quantum is under your belt?
[11:36]  * koolhead17 pokes zul 
[11:53] <liquid-silence> fsck this upnp shit
[12:58] <ivoks> does anyone know mox? :)
[13:41] <pgoetz>  
[15:25] <psivaa> hallyn: hello, ceph and lxc tests appear to hang with the installations from yesterday.
[15:25] <psivaa> hallyn: i could not find why except that the kernel version is new from yesterday
[15:25] <psivaa> hallyn: the VMs are in aldebaran if you'd like to look into it
[15:32] <hallyn> psivaa: i'm afraid not right now.  this is saucy?
[15:33] <psivaa> hallyn: yes, saucy images of yesterday and today
[15:34] <psivaa> hallyn: both amd64 and i386 and on lxc and ceph tests, when you have some time. ill leave the machines on
[15:34] <hallyn> psivaa: actually i'll take a look right now, asssuming my sshconfig is up to the task
[15:41] <rbasak> smoser: good morning! Are you free to chat about netinst2ss?
[15:46] <smb> hallyn, psivaa would those tests try using libvirt from a Precise side?
[15:47] <hallyn> smb: ?
[15:47] <psivaa> smb: the vm hosts is Precise
[15:47] <psivaa> s/hosts/host
[15:47] <smb> hallyn, Just that I had an issue this morning with connecting from precise to saucy because of latest libvirt on saucy
[15:48] <smb> Downgrading the saucy side to previous version solved it for me
[15:56] <hallyn> psivaa: the guests don't seem to have networking
[15:56] <hallyn> well, i couldn't ping google
[15:56] <hallyn> hm i guess they do
[15:56] <hallyn> zul: ^
[15:57]  * hallyn biab
[15:57] <hallyn> psivaa: please leave those vms up if you can
[15:57] <hallyn> (need to relocate)
[15:57] <psivaa> hallyn: sure they will be on
[16:09] <mop> why does it seems wget is downloading asynchronously?
[16:19] <cat5> any LVM'ers in the house?
[16:20]  * RoyK^ raises a hand
[16:20] <cat5> nice
[16:20] <cat5> beating my head agains the wall on this one..
[16:21] <cat5> vgcfgrestore has the 5 disks I need, and are in the machine..
[16:21] <cat5> but, a vgdisplay shows the wrong disk, and of course, won't activate.. I *must* be missing something or a step somewhere..
[16:22] <cat5> more info: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5765187/
[16:22] <cat5> if your not sure, let me know..
[16:22] <RoyK> cat5: no, not sure. I'd try #lvm
[16:23] <cat5> yeah.. I'm in there..
[16:23] <cat5> no one seems online
[16:30] <hallyn_> psivaa: seems to hang on unpacking initramfs
[16:31] <mop> anybody knows how I can wait for wget to finish before going to the next line in a bash script?
[16:34]  * hallyn_ confused - are you backgrounding it?
[16:35] <mop> nope I'm just wget -O
[16:37] <psivaa> hallyn_: ok, curious how you found it
[16:40] <hallyn_> psivaa: i just did strace -f -p `pidof debootstrap`
[16:40] <hallyn_> i don't know why it's hanging though
[16:41] <hallyn_> sorry got sidetracked with email :)  manual debootstrap works fine.  what on earth...
[16:43] <mop> ok adding some & fixed it
[16:43] <mop> I think ...
[16:57] <mop> the problem seems to be that the script exists as soon as the wget finishes
[16:57] <mop> I don't know why
[16:58] <mop> I'm doing https://dpaste.de/hYx1w/
[17:00] <mop> ok the & probably shouldn't be there in any case
[17:02] <mop> ok it's doing it async that's why
[17:03] <hallyn_> waait a minute
[17:04] <mop> basically I just want to install the deb after downloading it
[17:10] <qman__> mop, why do you have & on lines 2 and 3?
[17:11] <mop> yeah that was wrong
[17:11] <mop> I removed them
[17:12] <qman__> mop, use single quotes around the URL
[17:12] <qman__> it has ampersands in it which are being parsed
[17:13] <mop> hmm good catch
[17:13] <mop> let me try
[17:16] <mop> that was indeed the problem, cheers m8
[17:34] <hallyn_> psivaa: what's the simplest utah command for running a test on a new machine by hand again?
[17:35] <psivaa> hallyn_: sudo apt-add-repository -y ppa:utah/stable
[17:35] <psivaa>    sudo apt-get update
[17:35] <psivaa>    sudo apt-get install utah
[17:35] <hallyn_> did that :)
[17:35] <psivaa> sudo utah -r lp:ubuntu-test-cases/server/runlists/ceph.run
[17:35] <hallyn_> oh, that's it?
[17:35] <hallyn_> it'll grab its own iso?
[17:36] <psivaa> hallyn_: ahh sorry this is to run the tests on an installed vm
[17:36] <hallyn_> oh
[17:37] <hallyn_> that's helpful as well
[17:38] <hallyn_> in fact i'll start with that
[17:38] <hallyn_> thanks
[17:38] <psivaa> hallyn_: run_utah_tests.py -i /abs/path/to/saucy-server-amd64.iso -p lp:ubuntu-test-cases/server/preseeds/lxc.preseed lp:ubuntu-test-cases/server/runlists/lxc.run should work as well
[17:39] <psivaa> hallyn_: i mean the second one will install the vm and run the tests
[17:39] <hallyn_> psivaa: thanks
[17:40] <psivaa> hallyn_: im going EOD for now :)
[17:40] <hallyn_> psivaa: have a good weekend
[18:43] <bradley__> ok, so i connected to a wifi network and iwconfig tells me im on but im not connected to the internet and i cant even ping 192.168.1.1 it says network is unreachable
[18:44] <bradley__> how would i fix this
[19:10] <hallyn_> psivaa: fwiw a custom saucy server install on my precise server passes lxc tests.  maybe it *is* related to the libvirt bug smb was mentioning.  /me needs to scroll up
[19:27] <adam_g_> zul, http://people.canonical.com/~agandelman/ca/grizzly/keystone_2013.1.1-0ubuntu2.1~cloud0/ + http://people.canonical.com/~agandelman/ca/folsom/keystone_2012.2.4-0ubuntu3.1~cloud0/ pweeeease
[19:32] <Logos01> Greetings, folks... I'm using an lxc container to communicate w/ my company's private network (I.e.; isolated network-stack vpn client). Trouble is, lxc defaults to using the 10.0.3.0/24 network for containers and that's where my prod servers live for my current project... (but not inside the lxc instance).
[19:32] <Logos01> Anyone have any info on changing the subnet lxc assigns?
[19:34] <sarnold> Logos01: check /etc/init/lxc-net.conf for details; /etc/default/lxc can override those values.
[19:35] <Logos01> File's non-existent.
[19:35] <Logos01> Or... not.
[19:35] <koolhead11> hallyn_, hey there
[19:35] <Logos01> O_o maybe I mis-CNP'd. Odd.
[19:36] <sarnold> Logos01: or I may have mis-typed. I'm lazy enoug hto not cnp :)
[19:37] <Logos01> No, I'd done so from elsewhere.
[19:38] <hallyn_> hey koolhead11
[19:38] <hallyn_> you've been demoted?
[19:39] <hallyn_> (you used to be 17 right?)
[19:40] <koolhead11> hallyn_, yeam man. its about time. getting younger
[19:40] <Logos01> So ... I found defaults in lxc-net.conf... changed them... and yeah, /etc/default/lxc overrode it
[19:40] <Logos01> But... changes made. Awesome, thanks much!
[19:41] <sarnold> Logos01: excellent :) have fun :)
[19:41] <Logos01> Indeed.
[19:42] <Logos01> We have about 5 different cisco vpns here... none allow split tunnelling.
[19:42] <vfw> "
[19:42] <Logos01> Guess what my work-around is.
[19:43] <koolhead11> hallyn_, how have you been man?
[19:44] <Logos01> Thanks, again!
[19:44] <hallyn_> koolhead11: all right.  having a blast.  hwo about yourself?
[19:45] <koolhead11> alive/kicking can`t complain :)
[19:47] <hallyn_> played any good volleyball lately?
[19:48] <pgoetz> I'm working with the 64-bit 13.10 server, but have seen this behavior with previous OS server versions.  Does anyone have any idea why when you set up a software RAID 1, some times it shows up as /dev/md0 and other times as /dev/md127, seemingly randomly; and/or why it will switch from one to the other between the install and the first reboot?
[19:49] <koolhead11> hallyn_, no man that was the last game i played :(
[19:49] <hallyn_> ditto
[19:51] <hallyn_> all right test is running, i need to step afk to clear my head and come back to check results later - bbl
[20:28] <ThothCastel> what is the difference between user@server:/# and user@server:~# ?
[20:29] <ThothCastel> if type       sudo su   then I get the       user@server:/#
[20:29] <ThothCastel> if I type sudo su -     then I get the      user@server:~#
[20:30] <ThothCastel> if I am on the   user@server:~#      and type     ls       then nothing comes up
[20:30] <ThothCastel> what is the diference between one and the other pls?
[20:31] <pgoetz> One is the root directory and the other the user's home directory.
[20:31] <pgoetz> Nothing comes up because the directory is empty.  Type `pwd` in each case and you will see the difference.
[20:32] <pgoetz> `su -` means load the root user's environment
[21:11] <ThothCastel> how do I kill all processes to use the shutdown command?
[21:11] <genii> That question doesn't make any sense.
[21:14] <genii> ThothCastel: The shutdown command will kill everything, yes. Like: sudo shutdown -h now     ...for halt, and: sudo shutdown -r now   ...for reboot. Is that what you were asking?
[21:17] <ThothCastel> genii: yes, thank you!
[21:17] <genii> ThothCastel: You're welcome
[21:18] <ThothCastel> genn
[21:18] <ThothCastel> genii: I am to install ldap for the first time on a virtual machine with ubuntu server 12.04
[21:19] <ThothCastel> I would like it not to use my network interface cards (wifi) so if I configure a master dns on the main virtual machine, will that be ok?
[21:20] <ThothCastel> I would like my vms to connect to each other but not to my host machine hence a dns install on the vm, right?
[21:20] <ThothCastel> am I doing it right?
[21:31] <genii> ThothCastel: Sorry, that's not my area of knowledge.
[21:41] <bekks> ThothCastel: Hmm, not that right, actually.
[21:41] <bekks> As long as your host doesnt use the DNS vm, everything is ok. Just use intnet adapter types for your vms.
[22:14] <subman> I'm getting the following when trying to use apt-get:  dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-generic-pae:
[22:14] <subman>  linux-generic-pae depends on linux-image-generic-pae (= 3.2.0.45.54); however:
[22:14] <subman>   Version of linux-image-generic-pae on system is 3.2.0.48.58.
[22:17] <subman> I've tried to fix with apt-get -f install and apt-get autoremove.  Still this issue.  Any ideas?
[22:18] <ThothCastel> is it possible to install the GUI only for selected applications? e.g. firefox  -   on a linux server without the GUI
[22:23] <ThothCastel> what is the default browser installed on the ubuntu server 12.04?
[22:28] <subman> There is no default browser
[22:28] <subman> You would need to install a command line text browser.  Like lynx
[22:29] <subman> I stand corrected, w3m is.
[22:29] <subman> w3m -v http://www.google.com for example.
[22:30] <subman> ThothCastel, here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1459742
[22:31] <subman> ThothCastel, I just tried w3m on my server and it worked fine, I just don't remember if I actually installed it or it came default!
[22:38] <EDocToor> Howdy, everyone
[22:46] <ThothCastel> subman: thank you
[22:48] <subman> ThothCastel, no problemo
[23:34] <ThothCastel> is an LDAP in linux like having the Active Directory in Windows?
[23:36] <Patrickdk> since AD does a lot more than ldap, no
[23:37] <ThothCastel> Patrickdk: so if a company is a solution that Windows provides (AD) but with Linux, then the LDAP packages be the way forward or there are other better solutions?
[23:38] <Patrickdk> linux cannot provide AD
[23:38] <Patrickdk> samba 4 is suppost to do AD though
[23:38] <Patrickdk> ldap is just one part of AD
[23:39] <Patrickdk> it's like saying, an smtp server is a email solution
[23:39] <Patrickdk> you missing all the other parts
[23:40] <ThothCastel> Patrickdk: I see, so let's say that windows disappeared for good and we have to use linux to provide that, then Samba 4 would be the way forward or LDAP?
[23:40] <sarnold> can you glue together an ldap and kerberos on linux to fake up an AD today?
[23:41] <ThothCastel> or does Samba use LDAP?