[00:50] <compuspital> Hello everyone...
[01:37] <esigolo> Sorry for the noob question but what is the point with flipped images?
[01:45] <krabador> rsalveti, are you here?
[01:54] <cyphermox> esigolo: we don't necessarily want to just rely on Android always
[01:55] <cyphermox> esigolo: this is Ubuntu, so it's nice if we can have more Ubuntu up front on the device, kind of like closing the gap between the current images and the demo that was released earlier for the Nexus 7
[01:55] <esigolo> cyphermox, so flipping the images we can work on ubuntu bases and get it better is it?
[01:56] <cyphermox> pretty much
[01:56] <cyphermox> when you boot the device, it's ubuntu that boots and when you login via adb, you get directly inside Ubuntu
[01:56] <cyphermox> android still runs in an lxc container
[01:56] <cyphermox> rsalveti: sergiusens: merge request is ready for the polkit rules now: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/session-manager-touch/policykit-networkcontrol-hack/+merge/169291
[01:56] <rsalveti> krabador: yup
[01:57] <rsalveti> cyphermox: cool
[01:57] <esigolo> cyphermox, just for backward compatibility for apps right?
 what is that thing called in cm terms *
[01:58] <esigolo> sorry
[01:58] <krabador> rsalveti, excuseme, today i talked with ogra about the missing RIL support on ubuntu touch, on devices,
[01:59] <krabador> rsalveti, and in particular for samsung i9100
[02:00] <krabador> rsalveti, in the xda official ubuntu touch porting thread for this device, developers are in the need of help to support RIL
[02:00] <rsalveti> krabador: right, what is the issue?
[02:00] <rsalveti> krabador: ofono fails to talk with it?
[02:00] <rsalveti> have the link?
[02:00] <krabador> rsalveti, yes
[02:01] <veebers> Is it possible to interact with the OSK/Maliit via dbus at the moment?
[02:01] <cyphermox> krabador: ril support is tough :)
[02:01] <veebers> also, is it possible to install the version of the OSK used on the device on the desktop? (for ease of testing)
[02:01] <rsalveti> well, ril should be there by default, might just be missing some base support from ofono
[02:01] <krabador> cyphermox, i can undestand
[02:01] <rsalveti> might be a racing condition or similar
[02:01] <krabador> rsalveti, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2188621
[02:01] <krabador> this is the official xda thread for i9100 ubuntu touch porting
[02:02] <krabador> and ogra today tells me about a request that i can do to ofono devs
[02:02] <rsalveti> let me check
[02:02] <krabador> what i can do to do the request?
[02:03] <rsalveti> krabador: do you have the device in hands?
[02:04] <krabador> rsalveti, not with ubuntu touch. i can install it, and what do you need to look?
[02:04] <esigolo> i have one too and a I9000B also
[02:04] <cyphermox> krabador: do test things in ofono you can use the ofono-scripts package to run the test programs and see how far you can get... but then you'll likely need to write C code to support the specific modem in the samsun i9100
[02:05] <rsalveti> first I'd like to grab the ofono log, to see what is happening there
[02:05] <rsalveti> might just be a race when starting the modem
[02:05] <rsalveti> you should have that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5763371/
[02:05] <rsalveti> please change the ofonod line to be:
[02:05] <rsalveti> exec ofonod -d --noplugin=atmodem
[02:06] <rsalveti> reboot, and then paste the content of your /var/log/syslog
[02:07] <krabador> cyphermox, ok, i'm not a developer,i asked to the porting mantainer (in the latest post of the thread) if he asked to ofono devs something in the latest months that "RIL don't works because ubuntu devs don't help us" and he responses me that he never asked nothing
[02:07] <rsalveti> that would help me understanding what is happening at least at the ofono level
[02:07] <krabador> rsalveti, right
[02:07] <rsalveti> I think my wife got a similar phone, can check later
[02:09] <krabador> rsalveti, i really want to be useful for this, then please tells me what it's needed to do a complete report
[02:09] <cyphermox> krabador: when you run ofono in debug, we'll see in /var/log/syslog what goes on, how far the initialization goes, and then we can try to figure out what's missing
[02:10] <cyphermox> but there's no trick to it -- it's all one large black box people don't really understand too well
[02:12] <rsalveti> krabador: just the log would already help
[02:13] <rsalveti> one other thing you could try, is increasing that sleep value
[02:13] <rsalveti> to 15, 20 or similar
[02:13] <rsalveti> to see if you get a different result
[02:14] <krabador> ok
[05:13] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch Installation | http://askubuntu.com/q/308012
[06:09] <slaker> Does anyone know the status on nexus 4 being able to use data network instead of wifi
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:46] <sil2100> sergiusens, rsalveti: hi guys, it seems daily-release barfed today in the morning, most of the stacks caught an error in the build step - but I'm re-running and fixing to get all the stacks re-run again
[07:48] <sil2100> tvoss: ping!
[07:48] <sil2100> tvoss: hi!
[07:48] <tvoss> sil2100, hey there
[07:48] <tvoss> sil2100, how can I help?
[07:49] <sil2100> tvoss: we have a small issue related to daily-release... the lp:location-service project has a different source package name than the project name, as it's ubuntu-location-service
[07:49] <sil2100> tvoss: it's required to have both the same right now
[07:49] <sil2100> tvoss: you think it's possible to rename the source package to location-service instead?
[07:49] <tvoss> sil2100, just fix it :)
[07:49] <sil2100> tvoss: or the other way around?
[07:49] <sil2100> So you don't mind ;) ?
[07:49] <tvoss> sil2100, make it location-service for both
[07:49] <tvoss> sil2100, nope
[07:49] <sil2100> Awesome
[07:49] <sil2100> Thanks
[07:59] <sil2100> Mirv, tvoss: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/location-service/change_source_name/+merge/169358
[08:01] <sil2100> gusch: ping!
[08:01] <gusch> sil2100: pong
[08:02] <sil2100> gusch: hi! With the latest run of daily-release, we got a lot of failures from gallery-app in AP, could you take a look? (link in priv)
[08:02] <sil2100> gusch: did not look into that in detail, but the logs said things like 'index out of range'
[08:03] <tvoss> sil2100, want me to happrove?
[08:04] <gusch> sil2100: I know - omer is looking into that (seem sto be a autopilot-saucy problem)
[08:06] <sil2100> tvoss: yes, please ;)
[08:06] <sil2100> gusch: thanks for the info!
[08:06] <tvoss> sil2100, one
[08:06] <tvoss> sil2100, +d
[08:07] <sil2100> tvoss: thanks! Now I got reminded of something else, since I think there was a build failiure of dbus-cpp for powerpc, right?
[08:07] <tvoss> sil2100, yes ... still looking into that
[08:08] <sil2100> tvoss: thanks! If you have any luck, poke me and I'll re-run the stacks ;)
[08:09] <tvoss> sil2100, ack
[08:09] <zsombi1> tvoss: howdy Sire!
[08:10] <zsombi> tvoss: would like to ask you about the alarm/wup service functionality
[08:10] <tvoss> zsombi, good morning :) sure, let me quickly grab coffee
[08:11] <zsombi> tvoss kewl, meanwhile I'll type :).. so you suggested to have the alarm scheduling functionality + UI included in date/time indicator, have I understood correctly?
[08:12] <zsombi> tvoss or only to present the alarm itself?
[08:14] <dpm> nik90, around?
[08:15] <zsombi> tvoss: beside the alarm functionality we need two other types of WUP alarms: one that launches an app on a given time, eventually periodically (same recurring functionality would be needed) and another one which wakes up the device from deep sleep and presents the alarm note (nik90 requested this)
[08:16] <tvoss> zsombi, can you explain WUP to me?
[08:16] <zsombi> tvoss: WUP (Wake Up) :)
[08:17] <tvoss> zsombi, and yes, I would put the alarm functionality into the date-time indicator. It's lifetime exceeds the lifetime of the app
[08:17] <tvoss> its
[08:17] <tvoss> zsombi, what's the difference between WUP and periodic app launches?
[08:17] <zsombi> tvoss: so application to be "waken up" (not necessarily from deep sleep)
[08:18] <zsombi> tvoss; does periodic app launch wakes up the device from deep sleep?
[08:18] <zsombi> tvoss: or standby, whatever we call it
[08:18] <tvoss> zsombi, you mean when the screen is off, but device is not turned off?
[08:19] <zsombi> tvoss when device is turned off - nik90 requested it, and we also spoke about that in Oakland :)
[08:19] <tvoss> zsombi, did we verify that with design? I was aware of the request but I remember that we said we need to verify it with design
[08:20] <tvoss> zsombi, but in general: yes, that whole functionality would be made available via the date-time indicator
[08:20] <Mirv> sil2100: did you just rerun the deeq-qt since it's now succeeded? I saw a powerpc build fail in the morning
[08:20] <nik90> dpm: hi
[08:20] <zsombi> tvoss: as nik90 requested it, and as he is the one making the clock app, I assumed it was requested with design, however did not checke dit
[08:20] <tvoss> nik90, good morning :)
[08:20] <zsombi> nik90 ^
[08:20] <nik90> tvoss, zsombi: good morning :-)
[08:20] <tvoss> nik90, quick question on waking up the phone if it is powered off: is that verified with design?
[08:21] <nik90> tvoss: when you say  powered off, do you mean completely switched off or just the screen suspended?
[08:22] <zsombi> nik90: completely tirned off
[08:22] <zsombi> turned
[08:22] <nik90> tvoss: either way, design did not provide any guidelines on that
[08:22] <tvoss> nik90, completely turned off, screen off is a different power state
[08:22] <popey> FWIW neither iOS nor Android wake from completely off when an alarm is set.
[08:22] <popey> (just tested it)
[08:22] <tvoss> popey, that's what I was thinking, too. Turning off a phone is the ultimate "do not disturb" indication from my perspective
[08:22] <popey> also, dangerous
[08:23] <sil2100> Mirv: yes, I re-run the stack and published it, since there was a series of errors with jenkins build jobs
[08:23] <popey> well. "dangerous"
[08:23] <sil2100> (see #ubuntu-desktop)
[08:23] <popey> if I'm on a flight, I don't want my phone turning itself on
[08:23] <zsombi> nik90: you/we should ask from design then, because it is not the same having the screen turned off and being in deep sleep (power off, whatever we call it)
[08:23] <popey> and if I have a low battery I dont want it waking up to kill the battery
[08:23] <tvoss> zsombi, +1
[08:23] <nik90> zsombi, tvoss, popey: As far as design is concerned, they only gave the visual designs, but did not mention about it behavior (w.r.t to the state of the phone)
[08:23] <nik90> zsombi: sure, that can be done.
[08:24] <tvoss> dpm, can you help nik90 to get some answers to our questions here?
[08:24] <popey> I dont think "wake from OFF" is a version 1.0 feature
[08:24] <popey> wake from screen off is
[08:24] <tvoss> popey, "wake" from screen off is straightforward, too
[08:24] <popey> where "OFF" means the device is you know, the conventional meaning of "off"
[08:24] <zsombi> popey: sure, just wanted to check whether we have all the pieces in place and we don't need to rework something later because of that
[08:24] <tvoss> popey, let's call it poff vs. soff
[08:25] <popey> or suspend and off ☻
[08:25] <nik90> hehe
[08:25] <hulk> did anyone perfor a  complete manual installation using adb on nexus 4?
[08:25] <tvoss> picky he is today
[08:25] <popey> +1
[08:25] <tvoss> hulk, great nick color
[08:25] <popey> Picky I am every day.
[08:25] <dpm> tvoss, sure, what are the actual questions?
[08:25] <popey> haha, hulk is green here too
[08:26] <popey> hulk: what's up? I use phablet-flash to update my nexus 4.
[08:26] <hulk> i didn understand the deploy part
[08:26] <hulk> adb push copys the file on /sdcard/
[08:27] <zsombi> dpm: the question is whether an alarm should power up the device when the device is powered off (not from the screen off state)
[08:27] <hulk> how come the bootloader will know the dir?
[08:27] <tvoss> dpm, do we need wake from powered off?
[08:27] <tvoss> dpm, if an alarm is set
[08:28] <zsombi> dmp: like typically Nokia Symbian/Maemo/MeeGo devicesdid
[08:28] <hulk> ok in recovery mode, adb push doesn work
[08:28] <dpm> tvoss, zsombi thanks
[08:28] <hulk> so i used adb push in normal mode
[08:28] <hulk> should i do anything while on recovery?
[08:29] <tvoss> zsombi, questions answered? or do you need anything else?
[08:29] <zsombi> tvoss: so meanwhile we get the answer on this, returning back to our other two: periodic app launch and alarm representation: do we have the bits and pieces ready for that (I guess not)
[08:30] <tvoss> zsombi, @alarm UI: no, we could go ahead on an API level though and coordinate with design when they have resources avilable
[08:30] <tvoss> zsombi, @periodic: I would think that should be a flag to the api
[08:31] <tvoss> zsombi, where I would keep periodic simple by saying: daily/weekly/monthly/yearly, plus an end date
[08:31] <tvoss> nik90, ^ thoughts on that?
[08:31] <Mirv> sil2100: ok, thanks
[08:31] <zsombi> tvoss: UI I was sure that we don't have, but I was thinking more like API wise: do we have th eparties, like asking for an app to be launched periodically ready?
[08:32] <zsombi> tvoss: btw, the BP: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/sdk-system-alarm-api
[08:32]  * nik90 is reading now
[08:32] <Mirv> popey: sounds sensible (wake from OFF not for 1.0), especially if smartphone users are used to it
[08:32] <tvoss> zsombi, @API: no, we should put it on the blueprint
[08:32] <tvoss> zsombi, thx for the link btw
[08:33] <Mirv> I guess nokia used to support the use case of not consuming battery during the night, with their support
[08:33] <zsombi> tvoss: so, basically we don't have anything from the top till the bottom :)
[08:33] <zsombi> Mirv: right, the feature was there since the time the devices consumed allot...
[08:34] <zsombi> tvoss: feel free to add those to the BP
[08:34] <nik90> tvoss: for recurring alarm we need daily/weekly/monthly as you mentioned. Not sure about yearly, but I am guessing that could be used by other appps
[08:34] <Mirv> I believe others have not done it also because it's hard, Nokia had the whole chips (Retu etc) helping with it
[08:34] <tvoss> nik90, birthday reminder that is :)
[08:34] <nik90> Does the clock app need to provide some sort of API so that the alarms can be set directly from the date-time indicator?
[08:34] <tvoss> zsombi, ack
[08:34] <nik90> tvoss: oh yeah
[08:34] <zsombi> nik90: tvoss; right, and we are planning to have those implemented in versions
[08:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday and happy Blood Donor Day! :-D
[08:35] <tvoss> nik90, nope, the clock app will talk to the indicator
[08:35] <nik90> tvoss: okzy
[08:35] <nik90> okay*
[08:35] <zsombi> nik90: the plan is to have the SDK Alarm Services module doing the job
[08:37] <nik90> zsombi: I remember from the meeting we had. The SDK will provide the necessary API's to support existing apps to be woken up at a certain time to ring the alarm
[08:39] <zsombi> nik90: SDK will provide the necessary API to woke up an application, and to set alarms, these are kind of two separate actions, one is notification-less and the other one is through notifications.
[08:39] <zsombi> nik90: from a note then you could launch the app if needed
[08:40] <nik90> zsombi: ok
[08:40] <tvoss> zsombi, added two work items, put down my name as a placeholder
[08:40] <bzoltan> nik90:  about recurring alarms... think of mother's day... first sunday of each May ... or very typical work event... send a report on the first Monday / last Friday of each month
[08:40] <tvoss> zsombi, shouldn't we prefer to go through notifications?
[08:41] <nik90> bzoltan: true, however I thought may be the calendar app would take care of yearly *events*
[08:41] <zsombi> tvoss: until the wake up from deep sleep is needed, however that could be done by a separate module...
[08:41] <zsombi> tvoss: I was thinking integrating the timed (I know you are scared of it :) )
[08:41] <nik90> zsombi, tvoss: I will be having a design meeting on Thursday at 12:30 UTC. If that is too late, then I can perhaps send mail tothe designers
[08:42] <bzoltan> nik90: To be hones I am a bit nervous when I read/hear that an app takes care of something :) Tha app might be running or it might not be running... the clock app is just the front end... shoing things
[08:42] <zsombi> nik90: no, it's on time, just let us know about the outcome
[08:42] <tvoss> zsombi, I only took a brief look at timed, but I was surprised by the mismatch between code complexity and my perceived problem complexity :)
[08:42] <zsombi> tvoss: timed provides NITZ support too
[08:43]  * tvoss hugs bzoltan for a very good statement
[08:43] <gleft> hi guys, i have a question. i installed the os on my nexus 4 but i cant make or receive calls. wifi works
[08:43] <zsombi> tbvoss: not sure whether we have NITZ support yet...
[08:43] <nik90> bzoltan: :-)
[08:43] <tvoss> zsombi, best to ask the foundations guys
[08:43] <zsombi> tvoss: ^
[08:43] <zsombi> tvoss: names?
[08:43] <tvoss> zsombi, rofl
[08:43] <tvoss> zsombi, jump to #ubuntu-devel :)
[08:44] <tvoss> zsombi, just pinged cjwatson
[08:44] <zsombi> tvoss: ai :)
[08:44] <cjwatson> Uh, I'm here ...
[08:44] <zsombi> tvoss: yes, it's pretty complex indeed, as handles notifications too...
[08:45] <zsombi> cjwatson: kewl! howdy sire, the question is whether we have NITZ support from the stack or not?
[08:45] <cjwatson> It's the first I've heard of it
[08:45] <tvoss> zsombi, or more: do we need it right now?
[08:45] <zsombi> tvoss: yeah... that's something I'm not sure about...
[08:46] <zsombi> cjwatson: you mean NITZ?
[08:46] <cjwatson> zsombi: Yes, since that was what you were asking about
[08:46] <tvoss> zsombi, so my proposal would be that we get started to add the functinality to the indicator, with a backend api that allows us to switch to timed if required in the future
[08:47] <tvoss> zsombi, makes sense?
[08:47] <zsombi> cjwatson: Network Identity and Time Zone
[08:48] <cjwatson> Yeah, I've caught up on Wikipedia now
[08:48] <zsombi> tvoss: yes, at least I am planning to have such a backend to SDK API, however implementation might/will be pretty different, but we can leave with that :)
[08:48] <cjwatson> Maemo's timed is the only thing I can immediately find for Linux that implements it
[08:48] <tvoss> zsombi, cool
[08:48] <cjwatson> I don't know of anything in the current Ubuntu stack that does it
[08:49] <zsombi> tvoss: so, we have the work items in place, pls let me know the status/API I can use to complete the Alarm and App launch functionality
[08:49] <cjwatson> bzoltan1: Here, Mother's Day is the fourth Sunday of Lent, which gets you into Easter date calculations :-)
[08:49] <tvoss> zsombi, ack
[08:49] <zsombi> cjwatson: ok, thx
[08:50] <zsombi> tvoss: thx, dude :)
[08:50] <tvoss> zsombi, cjwatson sending out an email now, clarifying our state on NITZ from a product perspective
[08:50] <zsombi> tvoss: +1
[08:51] <nik90> tvoss: does the date-time indicator have any API which will return the current timezone info (in which the mobile phone is located) ?
[08:52] <tvoss> nik90, that's a good question, there will be an API, not sure the date-time-indicator will expose it though
[08:52] <tvoss> nik90, will add it as a work-item for me
[08:52] <nik90> tvoss: ok. thnx
[08:56] <iKillCypher> cool :P anyone here
[09:10] <bzoltan1> cjwatson: Maemo's timed is the one I have in front of me... it looks good and smart. Not a skinny one thou
[09:11] <Stskeeps> warning: timed is a trap that drives good men crazy
[09:12] <Stskeeps> if you have the architectural ability to not use it, i'd propose that :P
[09:14] <Stskeeps> but if you do need a qt5 port, we guys in jolla did one at https://github.com/nemomobile/timed
[09:14] <popey> haha
[09:15] <Stskeeps> (and lost several good men to mental care..)
[09:15] <popey> thanks Stskeeps
[09:16] <Stskeeps> timed NITZ plugin at http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/ofono.git;a=blob;f=0001-nettime-Network-time-plugin.patch;h=9edb29fa8d964ad1fa9ebc60b0d4fdf32058c23a;hb=HEAD
[09:17] <Stskeeps> (i believe)
[09:28] <w00t> (he's not kidding about the sanity thing)
[09:32] <davmor2> popey: is the new saucy phablet-flash clever enough to know that I have a n7 that won't work under saucy so install the raring daily and a galaxy nexus that will?
[09:33] <davmor2> popey: and is it worth waiting till the standard phablet tool supports saucy?
[09:50] <popey> davmor2: update phablet-tools and phablet-flash will try to update your device with saucy, and if that's an n7, it will do that and you'll end up with an unusable device
[09:50] <popey> davmor2: so yeah, don't flash n7 yet
[09:51] <davmor2> popey: it's unusable at the moment any way ;)
[09:51] <popey> mine isn't ☻
[09:51] <AskUbuntu> How to make a centred, wrapped and padded container of elements in QML? | http://askubuntu.com/q/308088
[09:52] <davmor2> popey: keyboard isn't overlaying correctly for me so I can't start the terminal or anything useful on it :(
[09:52] <davmor2> mind you I haven't updated it yesterday or today so maybe it got fixed
[10:04] <OpuLent> Hello, is there anyone here who can help me?
[10:08] <user82> OpuLent, if you aks the question someone might be able to help
[10:09] <gusch> om26er sil2100 this fixes the gallery autopiot tests : https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-autopilot-toolbar-buttons-fix/+merge/169379
[10:11] <OpuLent> allright, sorry. I'm interested in trying out the touch preview for Nexus 4, but I have no idea of what files I need. I checked the source for them, but there are so many and I don't know which ones I need. Can anyone help?
[10:12] <om26er> gusch, that's guess work though ;)
[10:13] <om26er> gusch, but I guess this is the only way right now, till the action items are fixed to be able to assign objectNames
[10:14] <sil2100> gusch: thanks! Looks good, but let's have someone like om26er take a look and review!
[10:14] <sil2100> om26er: ^
[10:16] <davmor2> popey: woohoo they fixed it again :)
[10:16] <popey> davmor2: "it"?
[10:18] <davmor2> popey: the keyboard issue on the n7
[10:18] <popey> ah, have you flashed it with saucy?
[10:19] <davmor2> popey: no raring 159 was broken, if you clicked on t for terminal it would open whatever app was under it instead
[10:20] <davmor2> popey: biuld 160 seems to of repaired it again :)
[10:21] <davmor2> popey: I can haz a terminal again woohoo!  back to learning vimtutuor
[10:21] <popey> heh
[10:33] <xnox> QML layout question: http://askubuntu.com/q/308088/72
[10:34] <tvoss> sil2100, ping
[10:34] <sil2100> tvoss: pong!
[10:34] <davmor2> popey: mock not vimtutor rocks I wish all apps did something similar :)  Learn by doing rather than reading.
[10:34] <tvoss> sil2100, can you just disable the tests for powerpc in debian/rules for location-service?
[10:36] <sil2100> tvoss: we could do that, I think there is one package already that has something like that - but we'd like to have those fixed anyway in the nearest future
[10:42] <tvoss> sil2100, fair, but I don't have time to look at it in enough depth right now :/
[10:43] <sil2100> tvoss: let's just keep it on the radar
[10:43] <tvoss> sil2100, fair
[10:46] <sil2100> tvoss: in the meantime... sadly, I have another thing I need to ask of you :( !
[10:46] <tvoss> sil2100, shoot :)
[10:47] <sil2100> tvoss: so, it seems location-service fails to build on i386 due to 2 unit tests failing all the time: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/142391587/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-i386.location-service_0.0.1daily13.06.14-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:47] <sil2100> Rebuilding does not help!
[10:48] <sil2100> tvoss: could you take a look on what's wrong?
[10:48] <tvoss> sil2100, yup, floating point comparison issue
[10:48] <tvoss> sil2100, fixing
[10:48] <sil2100> tvoss: thanks :) I'll be jumping out now for lunch and such and be back soon
[10:49] <tvoss> sil2100, enjoy, ttyl
[10:59] <tvoss> sil2100, https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/location-service/fix-fp-comparison/+merge/169385
[11:37] <Mirv> tvoss: happroved
[11:37] <tvoss> Mirv, thx
[11:40] <tvoss> dholbach, ping
[12:12] <tvoss> sil2100, while you are at it :) https://launchpad.net/mtp
[12:14] <ogra_> tvoss, how does that get started ? i see no upstart job
[12:14] <tvoss> ogra_, in the works
[12:14] <tvoss> ogra_, right now manually
[12:14] <ogra_> (that will be very tricky to implement without breaking adb)
[12:15] <tvoss> ogra_, works fine, we just need a setprop sys.usb.config mtp,adb
[12:15] <ogra_> you need to reconfigure the android_usb gadget ... but if adb is running you need to take that into account
[12:15] <ogra_> (and make sure adbd gets properly restarted)
[12:15] <tvoss> ogra_, sure, not entirely sure that we have that in the switched container model right now
[12:16] <tvoss> ogra_, happy to figure it out with your help
[12:16] <ogra_> tvoss, we cant setprop from ubuntu (in the flipped container) and adbd will die once you change the android gadget
[12:16] <tvoss> ogra_, how do we handle setprop/getprop in general then?
[12:16] <ogra_> so echoing the right bits into sysfs is needed and making sure adbd gets restarted
[12:16] <ogra_> we dont atm
[12:17] <ogra_> there is no way to access the container fully in the flipped model, lxc kind of prevents that
[12:17] <ogra_> you can chroot into the running container rootfs but dont get access to 100% of it
[12:17] <tvoss> ogra_, I'm happy to look into it, however: having the mtp server running on ubuntu is required anyways
[12:17] <ogra_> ok
[12:18]  * ogra_ still wonders how we will handle the patent issues
[12:18] <ogra_> but i guess for the open images thats not so important
[12:18] <tvoss> ogra_, not my issue :) other people are taking care of that :) and the default server setup executes ptp at the moment
[12:18] <tvoss> ogra_, just to make sure
[12:19] <ogra_> your upstart job needs to have something like:
[12:19] <ogra_> echo adb,mtp >/sys/class/android_usb/android0/functions
[12:20] <ogra_> before that you need echo 0 >/sys/class/android_usb/android0/enable
[12:20] <ogra_> and echo 1 respectively afterwards
[12:20] <ogra_> but you need to check for adbd running and restart it somehow
[12:21] <tvoss> ogra_, ack ... can I see the running processes inside the container from Ubuntu?
[12:21] <ogra_> yes
[12:21] <ogra_> well, adbd runs in ubuntu :)
[12:21] <ogra_> in the flipped world
[12:21] <ogra_> its just another upstart job and daemon
[12:22] <tvoss> ogra_, okay, so I could just call service stop adbd and service start adbd?
[12:22] <ogra_> yeah, something like that
[12:23] <ogra_> but you also need to check if it runs at all ... i guess reading the content of /sys/class/android_usb/android0/enable before writing to it would help or so
[12:23] <ogra_> that should work fine even for the unflipped container
[12:24] <tvoss> ogra_, ack
[12:24] <tvoss> ogra_, thanks for the hints
[12:24] <ogra_> if you need help, let me know :)
[12:26] <tvoss> ogra_, yup
[12:26] <tvoss> sil2100, still alive?
[12:27] <ogra_> tvoss, oh, one other thing ... the server depends on having a kernel with android patches ... i would call the package android-mtp-server or so instead of just mtp (and also note the kernel need in the description)
[12:29] <tvoss> ogra_, fair point, will do so ...
[12:30] <tvoss> ogra_, although ... it requires libusbhost only to do that ... should split that one out, too
[12:30] <ogra_> oh, yeah
[12:30] <tvoss> ogra_, would be a lot cleaner
[12:30] <ogra_> yeah
[12:30] <tvoss> ogra_, on my list ... however, one step after the other
[12:31] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[12:52] <sil2100> tvoss: yeah, sorry, have to jump out for a moment again ;/
[12:52] <sil2100> brb
[12:54] <tvoss> sil2100, sure
[12:55] <dholbach> tvoss, pong
[13:01] <morphis> tvoss: in a future version of libhybris it will be possible to issue a setprop from the ubuntu site
[13:01] <ogra_> ++
[13:03] <morphis> I have some part of the code already but it needs further polishing
[13:04] <tvoss> morphis, cool, how do you escape the lxc container ... out of curiosity :)
[13:06] <morphis> tvoss: by accessing /dev/socket/property_service
[13:08] <tvoss> morphis, ah cool, I thought that the property system was relying on shared memory, but I might be wrong there
[13:08] <morphis> tvoss: no, you're right
[13:08] <morphis> for reading the properties it relies on the shared memory
[13:08] <morphis> but for writing them there is also the possibility to use /dev/socket/property_service
[13:09] <tvoss> morphis, ack ... how do you solve the reading?
[13:11] <morphis> tvoss: thats the more interesting question
[13:11] <morphis> https://github.com/morphis/libhybris/commit/d52cb4ea040b8ba4b735fcb164958b52d7edadb0
[13:11] <morphis> tvoss: one option would be to add the other way round through the property_service socket
[13:11] <morphis> that would mean we have to modify the android init service
[13:11] <tvoss> morphis, looking
[13:12] <morphis> tvoss: the code is currently only for the internals of libhybris
[13:17] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu for arm processor (Raspberry) | http://askubuntu.com/q/308164
[13:49] <sil2100> tvoss: I'm only back now recently, sorry about that, had some problems on the city - could you take a look? https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/dbus-cpp/disable_powerpc_test/+merge/169430
[13:55] <ZDmitry> mhall119, ping
[13:55] <victorp> bfiller, I syncd my contacts with evolution and now I got my 400+ contacts on the phone app, but the people lense shows nothing
[13:55] <victorp> thoughts?
[13:57] <bfiller> victorp: people lens busted on saucy, and it's being removed anyway so it's not going to be fixed (:
[13:57] <bfiller> victorp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1190400
[13:57] <victorp> bfiller, ack  I will ignore it
[14:00] <sil2100> kenvandine: ping!
[14:00] <sil2100> kenvandine: could you? https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/dbus-cpp/disable_powerpc_test/+merge/169430
[14:02] <kenvandine> sil2100, i noticed this morning there are a bunch of powerpc failures in the PPA
[14:02] <kenvandine> we don't want to do this for all of them do we?
[14:03] <kenvandine> although i suspect those are real build failures
[14:03] <kenvandine> maybe because libunity failed
[14:03] <kenvandine> or wasn't built yet
[14:04] <sil2100> kenvandine: I don't know about others, but this one we decided with tvoss that we'll disable
[14:04] <sil2100> kenvandine: since he tried fixing those tests (known issue), but said it's too much work for now
[14:04] <sil2100> kenvandine: I poked seb128 and he said that he wouldn't mind
[14:04] <sil2100> So it's just for dbus-cpp for now
[14:05] <kenvandine> ok
[14:10] <mhall119> ZDmitry: pong
[14:16] <sil2100> kenvandine: btw. I'm looking for someone who could help me with a webapps problem
[14:16] <sil2100> kenvandine: since webapps-linkedin is failing to build - an error with the unit test
[14:16] <sil2100> kenvandine: you have that on your radar?
[14:18] <kenvandine> sil2100, check with robru
[14:18] <kenvandine> in fact
[14:18] <kenvandine> i think he might have caused that failure :)
[14:18] <ZDmitry> mhall119, do you have only n7 or nexus phone too?
[14:18] <kenvandine> him and vrruiz were discussing that variable that i't complaining about yesterday
[14:20] <sil2100> Oh noes ;)
[14:20] <sil2100> kenvandine: ok, will poke him once he's here
[14:20] <sil2100> robru: ^
[14:20] <mhall119> ZDmitry: only n7
[14:21] <popey> ZDmitry: wassup? I have n4
[14:23] <ZDmitry> popey, mhall119, I fix truncated labels on panels buttons in the terminal. It works on my GNexus, but still it need to be tested: https://code.launchpad.net/~hiroshidi/ubuntu-terminal-app/fix-truncated-labels/+merge/169418
[14:23] <popey> oh cool
[14:23] <popey> I'll test now
[14:25] <sil2100> kenvandine: can I poke you with one more important review ;) ?
[14:25] <kenvandine> sure
[14:25] <sil2100> kenvandine: this time it's for cupstream2distro!
[14:25] <sil2100> kenvandine: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro/fix_error_with_skipping/+merge/169449
[14:25] <sil2100> kenvandine: since there's a bug in that and it's breaking all build jobs, it all started happening because Didier added powerpc as the 'skip-by-default'
[14:26] <sil2100> I think this should fix it
[14:27] <kenvandine> sil2100, cool, approved
[14:27] <sil2100> Oh my, so fast!
[14:27] <sil2100> kenvandine: thanks ;)
[14:27] <sil2100> I'm always worried whenever I touch cupstream2distro code
[14:27] <kenvandine> me too :)
[14:27] <kenvandine> i don't know how to test it myself
[14:28] <popey> ZDmitry: mhall119 http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-06-14-152822.png
[14:29] <popey> ZDmitry: arrows are off-centre but otherwise it's a great improvement ☻
[14:29] <mhall119> popey: looks good to me, approve it
[14:30] <mhall119> popey: arrows are off-center on my physical keyboard too :)
[14:30] <popey> haha, same here
[14:35] <esigolo> is very hard to use the ubuntu touch with the protection cover
[14:49] <ypwong> Hi there, I'm doing translation of the webbrowser-app, but I don't have a device with Ubuntu touch installed. Anyone can help explain what the "Open pages %1" string in src/Ubuntu/Browser/TabsList.qml means?
[14:51] <ypwong> The string is a bit ambiguous so I could use some clarification.
[14:58] <pmcgowan> ypwong, when you have a number of tabs open, you can see them all in displayed, that string is a header for that
[14:58] <pmcgowan> Open pages 2
[14:58] <pmcgowan> then shows the thimbnails
[14:59] <ypwong> pmcgowan, thanks, sounds like it means "2 pages opened"? Or "Open pages: 2"
[15:03] <pmcgowan> ypwong, yes, its reallythe number of open tabs
[15:04] <pmcgowan> ypwong, to be honest not sure why we need any text as its obvious in the UI what it is
[15:04] <ypwong> pmcgowan, heh, right
[15:13] <mfisch> awe: I reworked the powerd code to properly handle signals for 1 call. Do we have a bug (or need a bug) filed for having the phone handle multiple calls or is it already on the roadmap
[15:14] <awe> it's on the roadmap
[15:14] <awe> ( or blueprint )
[15:21] <tvoss> dholbach, ping
[15:21] <dholbach> tvoss, pong
[15:22] <tvoss> dholbach, two of my mails to ubuntu-devel are awaiting approval ... can you take a look at them?
[15:22] <olli> Saviq, did we get the scopes in today?
[15:23] <olli> tvoss, as a u-dev you should have post rights there, shouldn't you
[15:23] <tvoss> olli, I don't know :)
[15:23] <dholbach> tvoss, done
[15:23] <tvoss> dholbach, thx
[15:23] <olli> tvoss, are these answers to the mir mail?
[15:23]  * olli will see in a sec
[15:25] <tvoss> olli, yup
[15:25] <Saviq> olli, nope, not today :/ - Monday
[15:26] <Saviq> olli, we need to sync it with notifications
[15:26] <Saviq> olli, to be able to drop nux from the device PPAs
[15:26] <olli> Saviq, cool
[15:26] <olli> Saviq, mind pinging me when it's in
[15:26] <olli> on Mo, or Tue... or Wed ;)
[15:27] <Saviq> olli, yeah, will do
[15:27] <Saviq> olli, Mo
[15:27] <olli> ok
[15:27] <pmcgowan> w00t
[15:28] <w00t> hm?
[15:29] <ogra_> LOL
[15:29] <tvoss> dholbach, ping
[15:29] <tvoss> dpm, ping
[15:39] <ogra_> sergiusens, rsalveti, someonne should test the latest grouper kernel on unflipped btw, to make sure the console changes dont get in your way (i dont think it was available until this morning due to many rebuilds and FTBFS)
[15:40] <rsalveti> that's true
[15:40] <rsalveti> sergiusens: ^^
[15:40] <rsalveti> sergiusens is working on getting a new image as well, so that should probably have all the latest
[15:40] <sergiusens> ogra_: rsalveti new build should have it though, right?
[15:40] <rsalveti> would make easier to test
[15:40] <rsalveti> right
[15:41] <sergiusens> I'll give it a go
[15:41] <rsalveti> if you build the android side as well
[15:41] <sil2100> gusch: the gallery-app tests pass now \o/
[15:41] <sil2100> gusch: so the apps stack should be soon ready for publishing
[15:41] <ogra_> rsalveti, test_sf is running fine for me ... no crashes (and surfaceflinger is also up all the time, no crashes in logcat)
[15:42] <rsalveti> Stskeeps: thanks for the ofono NITZ related patch, I did check the previous code done by nokia, and nice you got a better version of it
[15:42] <ogra_> (on grouper flipped that is)
[15:42] <rsalveti> Stskeeps: I'll probably incorporate that to our branch
[15:42] <gusch> sil2100: of course they do :D
[15:42] <rsalveti> ogra_: do you get something in your screen?
[15:42] <ogra_> nope
[15:42] <rsalveti> right
[15:42] <Stskeeps> rsalveti: np
[15:43] <Stskeeps> rsalveti: i don't wish on anyone to have to deal with that again
[15:43] <Stskeeps> :P
[15:43] <rsalveti> Stskeeps: what are you guys using for mms handling?
[15:43] <rsalveti> Stskeeps: lol
[15:43] <Stskeeps> rsalveti: mm, i don't know personally
[15:43] <morphis> rsalveti: mmsd should be pretty good option for this
[15:43] <rsalveti> yeah, that's the one we were checking as well
[15:43] <dpm> tvoss, pong
[15:43] <rsalveti> but just wanted to make sure we're also working on something other people are also interested at
[15:43] <Stskeeps> but yeah, mmsd sounds like a rational choice
[15:44] <morphis> I don't have that much experience with it but it looks like it can do the job very well
[15:44] <dpm> tvoss, sorry, I was on the phone
[15:44] <ogra_> are people really still sending MMS ?
[15:44] <rsalveti> cool
[15:44] <awe> ogra_, yes
[15:44] <rsalveti> ogra_: us people seems to use it quite frequently
[15:44] <rsalveti> weird people
[15:44]  * ogra_ thought that was dead with having the internet ....
[15:44] <rsalveti> mms and cdma
[15:44] <awe> morphis, we're already looking @ mmsd
[15:44] <morphis> awe: great
[15:44] <awe> morphis, have you worked with it at all?
[15:44] <ogra_> rsalveti, yeah, US people are rich people ...
[15:44] <rsalveti> hahah, yeah
[15:44] <morphis> awe: I just looked through the source a couple of months ago
[15:45] <awe> there's very little public information about it, other than the source on kernel.org
[15:45] <Stskeeps> just remember insane things like IP namespaces etc..
[15:45] <morphis> awe: but it seems to support things very well these days and inherit the same structure than ofono/connman/...
[15:45]  * ogra_ is pretty sure the data volume you use for sending a pic by mail is cheaper than a MMS
[15:45] <Stskeeps> network namespaces, that is
[15:45] <morphis> awe: yes, that the only sadness about connman/ofono/mmsd/neard ..
[15:46] <awe> morphis, there's plenty of info on ofono ( although there could be more )
[15:47] <morphis> awe: if you have any special questions you should ping the people in #ofono - they are pretty helpfull
[15:48] <awe> morphis, will do...
[15:48] <Stskeeps> while we're at obscure technologies - NFC plans? libhybris stubs for libnfc-nxp, libnfc-nci, etc?
[15:48] <rsalveti> Stskeeps: not yet, we still need to spend time investigating that
[15:48] <awe> Stskeeps, AFAIK, it's not a short-term priority
[15:49] <morphis> Stskeeps: sounds like a good idea as neard doesn't seem to suite the things from android
[15:49] <awe> we've discussed, but there's so much more that needs to be done, so it's good to be somewhat focused
[15:49] <Stskeeps> it seems like it's one of those libraries (atleast libnfc-nxp) that can be autostubbed
[15:49] <rsalveti> ogra_: can you paste your logcat output?
[15:50] <rsalveti> ogra_: also, mind running test_sf with strace to see if you get any permission denied issue?
[15:50] <rsalveti> meanwhile let me get you a package with debug support in it
[15:51] <ogra_> hmpf ... network isnt working ... need to get strace manuall ... second ...
[15:51] <ogra_> +y
[15:55] <ogra_> rsalveti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5765107/ ... i assume i should reboot so you see something more than appmanager crashes :)
[15:55] <ogra_> rsalveti, ans strace http://paste.ubuntu.com/5765106/
[15:56] <rsalveti> thanks
[15:56] <rsalveti> jezz
[15:56] <rsalveti> appmanager crashing hard there
[15:56] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5765120/
[15:57] <rsalveti> E/gralloc (  490): NvGrPost: Failed, TEGRA_DC_EXT_FLIP 6 No such device or address
[15:57] <ogra_> logcat right after boot
[15:58] <ogra_> rsalveti, the freshly booted one doesnt have that
[15:59] <ogra_> that just whines about libnvcap
[16:01] <rsalveti> hm, nothing obvious
[16:02] <rsalveti> guess the screen is always on after it turns itself on manually, right?
[16:02] <rsalveti> just to make sure powerd is not turning it off
[16:02] <ogra_> yeah
[16:02] <rsalveti> wonder if this might be related with the kernel change we had
[16:02] <ogra_> i can make it brighter and darker with pressing power though
[16:02] <rsalveti> right
[16:02] <ogra_> but backlight is always on
[16:03] <rsalveti> can you test with direct_sf_test from the android side?
[16:03] <ogra_> rsalveti, thats why i would like to hear if the kernel works with unflipped :)
[16:03] <ogra_> yeah, can do
[16:03] <rsalveti> right
[16:05] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5765145/
[16:05] <ogra_> no changes on screen
[16:06] <jdstrand> ChickenCutlass: hey, you mentioned that "Graphics stack broken on Nexus 7 (currently working on a fix)"
[16:06] <jdstrand> ChickenCutlass: is that resolved now? if not, what is the bug #?
[16:06] <ogra_> it is resolved but we are waiting for an image build
[16:06] <ogra_> (and i dont think there was a bug for it )
[16:07] <jdstrand> ah
[16:07] <ogra_> well, unless the kernel now breaks the fix agaiin for unflipped
[16:08]  * jdstrand sonders how to see the current revision
[16:08] <jdstrand> wonders*
[16:08] <jdstrand> phablet-flash --list-revisions doesn't seem to do it for me
[16:09] <jdstrand> ogra_: would today's by generally ok for the nexus 4?
[16:09] <ogra_> yeah, nexus4 should be fine on both, flipped and unflipped images
[16:10] <ogra_> groupe is broken on both, manta is broken on flipped
[16:11] <jdstrand> ogra_: sorry to be a bother. if I keep an eye out on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled.changelog it will be obvious when the nexus 7 graphics stack is fixed?
[16:12] <ogra_> jdstrand, better look at ubuntu_stamp
[16:12] <ogra_> thats easier to read (imho)
[16:12] <jdstrand> ogra_: ah yes. thanks!
[16:13] <ogra_> the next build should actually fix it, there were just some unexpected PPA changes that broke the build, but Saviq is rolling them back atm afaik
[16:13]  * jdstrand nods
[16:13] <jdstrand> it will be good to know going forward though
[16:14] <jdstrand> ogra_: ok, one last question (I think!). do I have to do anything special to get the flipped image for the nexus4?
[16:14] <Saviq> ogra_, yes, that's already done, sergiusens is leading that
[16:15] <ogra_> jdstrand, yeah, see my mail to ubuntu-devel (or ubuntu-phone) ... the flipped images need to be installe dmanually atm
[16:15] <jdstrand> ok, thanks, I missed that email
[16:15] <sergiusens> ogra_: confirmed, build is back in progress
[16:15] <ogra_> :)
[16:15] <ogra_> jdstrand, ^^^
[16:15]  * jdstrand is excited about using the flipped image :)
[16:15] <ogra_> so just a matter of time
[16:15]  * jdstrand nods
[16:15] <ogra_> heh, dont expect to much
[16:16] <ogra_> its still a frankenimage :)
[16:16] <jdstrand> heh
[16:16] <jdstrand> still, that is cool stuff
[16:16] <ogra_> yeah, and most stuff even works
[16:17] <jdstrand> bonus!
[16:17] <ogra_> if you ignore the fcat that / is mouonted three times in different places etc, its a pretty good image *g*
[16:18] <jdstrand> heh, neat :)
[16:18] <awe> rsalveti, debug MR should be finalized...
[16:24] <rsalveti> awe: thanks
[16:25] <jdstrand> ChickenCutlass: nm, ogra_ answered my questions
[16:25] <ChickenCutlass> jdstrand: Great
[16:25] <rsalveti> sergiusens: how far are we from getting a new image?
[16:26] <ogra_> running :)
[16:26] <ogra_> (see backlog)
[16:26] <sergiusens> rsalveti: not close... needs android to build still
[16:26] <sergiusens> 1h ~
[16:26] <Oreax> Might someone be able to help me here?
[16:26] <rsalveti> right, will grab some food then
[16:26] <ogra_> Oreax, how are we supposed to know :)
[16:27] <Oreax> I'm trying to deploy saucy on my Nexus 7 (WiFi).. But I keep getting black screen when it boots up
[16:27] <Oreax> Now you know ^ ;)
[16:27] <ogra_> Oreax, did you read the announcement mail ?
[16:27] <ogra_> it explicitly says that saucy is broken on n7
[16:27] <Oreax> What announcement mail? I havent "applied" for any? :)
[16:27] <Oreax> >.<
[16:27] <ogra_> it is being worked on ...
[16:27] <Oreax> lol
[16:28] <ogra_> roll back to monthly-06 (raring)
[16:28] <Oreax> When and where would I have gotten this email tho? :O
[16:28] <netcurli> the mailing list
[16:28] <ogra_> it was sent to the ubuntu-phone mailing list
[16:28] <Oreax> I'm not on any mailing list tho
[16:28] <Oreax> Just found this site https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install and followed the guide, nothing else
[16:29] <ogra_> ah, well, it helps if you want to get such info before ending up with a black screen
[16:29] <Oreax> I figure now
[16:29] <Oreax> Signing up ASAP
[16:29] <ogra_> use phablet-flash to install the monthly-06 image., that one works fine
[16:30] <Oreax> what parameter would I put on "phablet-flash", cause I suppose it's set for downloading saucy
[16:31] <ogra_> phablet-flash -r raring/monthly-06
[16:31] <ogra_> i think
[16:31] <ogra_> (i never use phablet-flash ... )
[16:32] <ogra_> but thats what phablet-flash --help gives :)
[16:32] <Oreax> Okay, I'll look into it, thanks a bunch!
[16:32] <Oreax> It's definitely doing something now.. Gaaah, dunno how long I spent on this..
[16:33] <Oreax> Gonna find that mailing list now lol
[16:35]  * popey adds a warning to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[16:54] <Laney> can't we just fix phablet-flash to take that for grouper for now?
[16:54] <ogra_> Laney, grouper should be fixed within the next 1-1.5h ...
[16:54] <Laney> oh ...
[16:54] <ogra_> the phablet-flash upload would take longer to migrate through britney and the publisher :)
[16:55] <ogra_> oh, and through CI
[16:55] <Laney> yeah yeah I got it
[16:55] <Laney> the weird app launching bug came back on mine so I'll be glad to go to saucy
[16:55] <ogra_> we add one test tool every release to delay the rollout :)
[17:01] <jibcage> Is there a way to set the timezone on ubuntu phone?
[17:04] <ogra_> jibcage, see the release notes wikipage (link is in the channel topic)
[17:04] <esigolo> jibcage: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2161034
[17:09] <mhall119> ChickenCutlass: is grouper still broken in the saucy images?
[17:09] <ogra_> yes
[17:09] <ChickenCutlass> rsalveti: Fixed it. Don't know if it landed yet
[17:10] <ogra_> still building
[17:10] <mhall119> :(
[17:11] <ogra_> mhall119, just get us faster machines :)
[17:11] <ogra_> (sell some apps, then we can buy them :)  )
[17:13] <krabador> ogra_, hi, excuse me, yesterday i talked with rsalveti about samsung i9100 ril, and what it's needed to do a request to ofono devs
[17:14] <krabador> ogra_, now i'm with today's daily build of ubuntu touch on this device, how can i look the logs, and start a debug session?
[17:15] <mhall119> ogra_: can I sell apps on the devices images yet?
[17:15] <jibcage> Is there an option I need to enable to allow access over ADB?
[17:15] <ogra_> mhall119, dunno :)
[17:15] <ogra_> jibcage, no, should just work by default
[17:16] <ogra_> krabador, i would start with "grep ofono /var/log/syslog" on the ubuntu side
[17:16] <ogra_> that should tell you  should if ofono csan talk to rild proper
[17:17] <ogra_> to go into more detailed debigging i think you can add -d to the ofono upstart job in ubuntu
[17:17] <krabador> ogra_, adb it's needed?
[17:17] <jibcage> ogra_, very strange. Not showing up in my devices, Android worked just fine
[17:17] <ogra_> well, a way to access the device is
[17:19] <sergiusens> krabador: ogra_ I wrote this last week for ofono/nm http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/good-logs-for-telephony-and-wifi-bug-reporting.html
[17:20] <ogra_> oh perfect !
[17:54] <krabador> how can i solve this " ????????????	no permissions" ?
[17:55] <sergiusens> krabador: what adb are you using?
[17:56] <krabador> sergiusens, the latest inside the latest sdk
[17:56] <ogra_> uh
[17:56] <ogra_> you are not using ubuntu on your host PC ?
[17:56] <sergiusens> krabador: so not the packaged one in saucy or phablet-team/ppa
[17:57] <krabador> ogra_, not, i'm using arch
[17:57] <sergiusens> krabador: restart adb as root
[17:57] <sergiusens> krabador: adb kill-server
[17:57] <krabador> sergiusens, yes, the same
[17:57] <krabador> ok
[17:57] <sergiusens> krabador: sudo adb start-server
[17:58] <jibcage> Is there a music player available, by any chance?
[17:58] <krabador> sergiusens, great, solved
[17:58] <sergiusens> krabador: if that works, it means you need proper udev entries
[17:58] <rickspencer3> hey, I noticed the shell on my phone is running slowly, top sensorservice is running at 89% CPU :/ thoughts?
[17:58] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: mako and latest saucy?
[17:59]  * jibcage ^C scp -r *all my music* phablet@phone:Music/
[17:59] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, yeah, my Nexus 4 and I phablet-flashed this morning
[18:00] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, for completeness, I am running top from ubuntu_chroot shell
[18:00] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: rsalveti often mentions an android bug with mako and sensors running wild, it might be that
[18:01] <morphis> rsalveti: shouldn't the test_* binary of libhybris in a different package than libhybris? like libhybris-test?
[18:01]  * rsalveti checking backlog
[18:01] <rsalveti> morphis: they are under libhybris-test
[18:01] <krabador> then now, it's different to run adb shell, from my side , despite ubuntu side
[18:01] <morphis> hm, and that one is normally installed within the images?
[18:02] <sergiusens> morphis: it should as of late
[18:02] <rsalveti> morphis: I think so
[18:02] <morphis> ok
[18:02] <morphis> was just wondering that I find the test_* binaries on the phone
[18:03] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: I noticed the sensorservice taking all the cpu here as well
[18:03] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: didn't yet investigate the issue, but it might be a new bug
[18:03] <krabador> now i've this tree http://paste.ubuntu.com/5765486/
[18:03] <rsalveti> either in platform-api or by the way powerd is consuming the events
[18:03] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, NSA looking at our GPS?
[18:03] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: will check it again once the new image is out
[18:03] <rsalveti> not so sure, but could be
[18:04] <rsalveti> ogra_: sergiusens: how far are we from the new image? :-)
[18:04] <rsalveti> Ursinha: what is id of your samsung galaxy device? i9000 as well?
[18:04]  * ogra_ has no idea, i just wait for the sync mail 
[18:04] <rsalveti> Ursinha: wanted to debug ril on it, to make it work as a full phone :-)
[18:04] <Ursinha> rsalveti, i9000b
[18:05] <Ursinha> it has digital tv, so it's 'b'
[18:05] <rsalveti> Ursinha: cool, might be similar, can I borrow it later on? :-)
[18:06] <esigolo> i have one I9000B if you guys want i can flash the preview image and give access to you guys !
[18:06] <krabador> i'm in adb shell on archlinux and my i9100 , how can i grab logs, and restart ubuntu touch in debug?
[18:06] <sergiusens> rsalveti: 10 minutes from past build
[18:06] <Ursinha> rsalveti, sure :) but it's similar, not identical, when I tried to install cm9 a while ago, the i9000 kernel caused the touch screen not to work
[18:07] <rsalveti> sergiusens: cool
[18:07] <rsalveti> Ursinha: true
[18:07] <esigolo> Ursinha: i had the same problem !
[18:07] <esigolo> Solved by flashing a custom kernel !
[18:07] <Ursinha> esigolo, I struggled a bit and was able to make it work with a custom kernel
[18:07] <Ursinha> yep, that :)
[18:08] <sergiusens> krabador: did you read what I posted above?
[18:08] <sergiusens> krabador: http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/good-logs-for-telephony-and-wifi-bug-reporting.html
[18:08] <awe> rickspencer3, running top from ubuntu_chroot shell only looks @ the android processes
[18:09] <rickspencer3> awe understood
[18:09] <awe> k
[18:09] <esigolo> Is good phone !
[18:09] <esigolo> Is a Good phone *
[18:09] <rickspencer3> I assumed it was a Ubuntu problem ;)
[18:10] <sergiusens> rsalveti: why haven't you happroved this one yet? https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/touch-preview-images/qt5--dev/+merge/169432
[18:10] <sergiusens> :-D
[18:10] <awe> mine first sergiusens!
[18:10] <awe> ;)
[18:12] <rsalveti> sergiusens: lol
[18:13] <ogra_> sergiusens, its controversial !
[18:13] <rsalveti> sergiusens: happroved
[18:13] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: yeah, the sensorservice itself is from android, but something from ubuntu might be requesting data from it
[18:14] <rsalveti> I'll take a look at that
[18:14] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, oh, too bad, I already rebooted
[18:14] <rickspencer3> I just kind of assumed we were doing something to make it go crazy
[18:14] <rickspencer3> if it happens again I'll see if something on the Ubuntu side seems to be making it happen
[18:14] <oku_> hi at all may I ask a question related to ubuntu touch on galaxy s2 i9100?
[18:15] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: cool
[18:16] <oku_> there is written under known issues calls/sms so does that mean it does not work yet?
[18:17] <morphis> oku_: afaik it's working on the offical supported devices
[18:17] <morphis> speaking for community ports is hard
[18:18] <rsalveti> oku_: if you want to help debugging, check http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/good-logs-for-telephony-and-wifi-bug-reporting.html
[18:18] <rsalveti> and then open a bug against https://launchpad.net/touch-preview-images
[18:18] <ogra_> oku_, you can help krabador :) he just started with some debugging on the S2
[18:19] <krabador> ogra_, i'm just posting the grep ofono /var/log/syslog result
[18:19] <oku_> is it possible to install it on a siyah based kernel?
[18:20]  * ogra_ never heard of that
[18:20] <krabador> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5765533/
[18:20] <krabador> oku_, simply not.
[18:21] <oku_> damn... that'd mean ubuntu touch or using it as phone...
[18:21] <ogra_> krabador, congrats, so you have them talking ...
[18:21] <ogra_> Jun 14 17:10:01 ubuntu-phablet ofonod[539]: Unable to read IMSI, emergency calls only
[18:21] <ogra_> i would say thats your issue
[18:22] <krabador> ogra_, simply i've the sim with pin enabled
[18:22] <ogra_> fromm here on i'm out of knoledge ...
[18:25] <krabador> ogra_, add -d to the ofono upstart job in ubuntu, how can i ?
[18:26] <ogra_> by using an editor ?
[18:26] <krabador> ogra_, of what file ?
[18:28] <krabador> rsalveti, excuse me, yesterday you posted me some command to run ofono debug, and some parameter's value to try, for the RIL of samsung i9100
[18:28] <oku_> where can I get the current build of your's krabador?
[18:29] <rsalveti> krabador: check http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/good-logs-for-telephony-and-wifi-bug-reporting.html
[18:29] <oku_> and which kernel would you recommend?
[18:29] <ogra_> krabador, /etc/init/ofono.conf
[18:29] <rsalveti> oh, let me check the logs
[18:29] <sergiusens> rsalveti: can you check these 3 http://people.canonical.com/~sergiusens/patches/ ?
[18:29] <krabador> rsalveti, sergiusens , ogra_ thanx,
[18:31] <krabador> rsalveti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5765570/
[18:31] <krabador> that's my grep ofono /var/log/syslog
[18:31] <rsalveti> krabador: just follow what is described in  http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/good-logs-for-telephony-and-wifi-bug-reporting.html to enable debug support in rild
[18:31] <rsalveti> in ofono, sorry
[18:31] <krabador> ok
[18:31] <rsalveti> then reboot, and past your /var/log/syslog again
[18:31] <krabador> ok
[18:34] <krabador> oku_, go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2188621 and download and install the first file, and install the latest daily build of ubuntu touch downloaded from cdimage.ubuntu.com
[18:34] <krabador> ok
[18:37] <krabador> i've that trying to use apt-get
[18:37] <krabador> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5765584/
[18:37] <Esigolo> krabador: are u connected?
[18:38] <krabador> Esigolo, yes, it's the same machine
[18:39] <krabador> i've ubuntu_chroot shell on terminal
[18:40] <Esigolo> ping ports.ubuntu.com work?
[18:41] <krabador> i've unknow host
[18:41] <Esigolo> nmcli dev shows ?
[18:42] <ogra_> network manager shows you a working wifi connection in the UI ?
[18:42] <krabador> Esigolo, both disconnected
[18:42] <Esigolo> wlan0  disconnected?
[18:42] <krabador> Esigolo, yes
[18:43] <Esigolo> are u using wifi or 3g?
[18:43] <krabador> Esigolo, i supposed to used the pc connection
[18:43] <Esigolo> krabador: nops
[18:44] <krabador> my ubuntu touch are disconnected because no3g and my wireless have hidden ssid, that don't works yet
[18:44] <Esigolo> i think this is going to work only if you connect to wifi or 3g network
[18:44] <Esigolo> krabador: but you can connect to a hidden wifi network
[18:45] <krabador> Esigolo, i tried with mine, but don't works
[18:45] <Esigolo> works for me ! oO
[18:46] <Esigolo> but i did a vi to the directory and created the network  file !
[18:46] <Esigolo> krabador: http://askubuntu.com/questions/262155/how-do-i-connect-to-wireless-network-with-hidden-ssid-on-ubuntu-touch
[18:47] <krabador> great
[18:53] <sergiusens> rsalveti: mumblito
[18:54] <rsalveti> sergiusens: 1 sec
[19:03] <krabador> it don't want save changes on /etc/init/ofono.override
[19:03] <krabador> it's incredible
[19:25] <krabador> i open adb shell as root
[19:25] <krabador> i run ubuntu_chroot shell
[19:25] <krabador> and i can't save changes in /etc/init/ofono.override
[19:25] <krabador> i really excuse me for noob-oriented questions
[19:44] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, so I should phablet flash my nexus 7 right now?
[19:44] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: yes, please
[19:44] <ogra_> ++
[19:44] <rickspencer3> ok
[19:44] <rickspencer3> kicked it off
[19:44] <rickspencer3> it's weeks out of date
[19:44] <rickspencer3> :)
[19:44] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, ogra_ what do you want me to test when it's done?
[19:45] <morphis> btw. whats the best way to cross compile an automake project in ubuntu theses days?
[19:45] <ogra_> it should all just work
[19:45] <rickspencer3> ogra_, so "everything"?
[19:45] <rickspencer3> wfm
[19:45] <ogra_> yeah
[19:45] <ogra_> its only saucy ... just newer versions of everything and the usual potential bugs
[19:46] <ogra_> the flipped images will be more fun :)
[19:46] <rickspencer3> balloons, is there a set of test cases that I should run?
[19:46] <rickspencer3> ogra_, week after next I am going on holiday for 2 weeks, I plan to take only my Ubuntu Phone
[19:46] <rickspencer3> so please ...
[19:46] <rickspencer3> don't break me :)
[19:47] <ogra_> we'll see, we'll see ...
[19:47] <rickspencer3> I'm thinking about taking my Nexus 7 too, though
[19:47] <ogra_> :)
[19:47] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: well, test whatever you knew that was working before, that would be a start :-)
[19:47] <rsalveti> morphis: you can use multi-arch with our cross compiler
[19:47] <ogra_> so ... everything :)
[19:47] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, I was having a lot of issues with the screen in Oakland
[19:47] <rsalveti> well, not everything is working yet with nexus 7
[19:48] <balloons> rickspencer3, for the phone? there's manual tests, and if your curious, you could try some autopilot stuff
[19:48] <rickspencer3> balloons, it's for the nexus 7, actually
[19:48] <ogra_> rsalveti, that doesnt mean not everything deserves testing :)
[19:48] <balloons> rickspencer3, ahh then; http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/46502/testcases
[19:48] <rickspencer3> but I'm interested in the manual test cases, as I presume that the automated tests are run regularly
[19:49] <balloons> rickspencer3, yes, the automated stuff would be just because :-)
[19:49] <rickspencer3> balloons, if i run the tests, can I report the results on the ISO tracker for rsalveti and ogra_ ?
[19:50] <balloons> rickspencer3, yes indeed. that's the place to report.  Give the tests pass/fail and link any bugs you find
[19:51] <morphis> rsalveti: hm, using chroot with qemu-user-static but will try multiarch
[19:52] <rsalveti> morphis: yeah, using qemu is not really cross building, and might be quite slow
[19:52] <rsalveti> depending on your build-deps, it's quite easy to build it with multiarch
[19:53] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: yeah, let me know once you get the results :-)
[19:53] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, will do
[19:53] <rickspencer3> still downloading the image ;)
[19:59] <morphis> rsalveti: yes, it's not cross-building, but was the only way I knew
[20:00] <morphis> (when not using OE)
[20:02] <rsalveti> morphis: got it
[20:02] <rsalveti> yeah, using OE for that is easy
[20:07]  * rickspencer3 drums fingers
[20:08] <rickspencer3> seems like it takes a lot longer to phablet-flash the nexus 7 compared to the nexus 4 :/
[20:09] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: yes, it's the slowest of them all
[20:10] <Dummies_freelanc> hello, i use panel touch connect by usb,  i rotate the panel to 270ª  idem to monitor  but dont work.. i use  xinput_calibrator
[20:10] <Dummies_freelanc> but i have inverted the values. how can fix this?
[20:14] <rickspencer3> balloons, what is supposed to happen when I click "file a bug report" on the test case page?
[20:17] <rickspencer3> or, how do I set a test case to failed?
[20:18] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, the test case tracker doesn't seem to be cooperating
[20:18] <rickspencer3> is there a way I should tag bugs so you see they are from the Nexus 7?
[20:19] <balloons> rickspencer3, you do need to be logged in to submit bugs
[20:19] <balloons> you should see a add test result form on the bottom of the page if so
[20:19] <rickspencer3> balloons, I am logged in
[20:19] <balloons> there's links in the testcase for submit and file a bug
[20:19] <rickspencer3> oh, I see
[20:20] <rickspencer3> I didn't scroll down far enoguh
[20:20] <balloons> so click on submit should take you to the form and file a bug should take you to the bug instructions page
[20:20] <rsalveti> yeah, the i/o controller of tegra 3 is not that great
[20:20] <rsalveti> just use the tag 'grouper'
[20:21] <balloons> rickspencer3, all set then? :-)
[20:21] <rickspencer3> balloons what is "Hardware profile"?
[20:22] <balloons> rickspencer3, it's intended for pc's.. you link to your checkbox profile, or on ubuntu friendly historically.
[20:23] <balloons> I should probably add that info to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker
[20:32] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, is Sintel supposed to be playable?
[20:35] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: not with nexus 7 iirc
[20:49] <mhall119> http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/06/14/the-ubuntu-app-developer-cookbook-announced/ More goodies for App Developers being added to developer.ubuntu.com
[20:50] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, ogra_, balloons
[20:50] <rickspencer3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~rick-rickspencer3/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subsc
[20:50] <rickspencer3> riber=&field.tag=grouper&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search
[20:50] <rsalveti> wow
[20:50] <rickspencer3> dang, did not realize the url was so out of contro
[20:50] <rickspencer3> l
[20:50] <balloons> rickspencer3, whoa!
[20:50] <balloons> lol
[20:50] <balloons> bit.ly?
[20:50] <rickspencer3> somebody should invent something that shortens URLs
[20:50] <rickspencer3> they can call it a "URL Shortner"
[20:51] <ogra_> echo $url | pastebinit
[20:51] <ogra_> :P
[20:51] <rickspencer3> maybe someone should make one specifically for Luanchpad
[20:51] <balloons> lp could encode there urls :-)
[20:51]  * rickspencer3 tries again
[20:51] <balloons> though I hate url encoding
[20:51] <popey> this is easily the best url shortener ever http://llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogo.ch/
[20:51] <ogra_> ++
[20:52] <balloons> +++
[20:52]  * rickspencer3 tries
[20:53] <rickspencer3> ok
[20:53] <rickspencer3> that's pretty funny
[20:53] <rickspencer3> http://llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogo.ch/17p
[20:53] <rickspencer3> rsalveti, ogra_
[20:53] <rickspencer3> ^
[20:53] <ogra_> LOL ... you actually used it
[20:53] <rickspencer3> anyway, nexus 7 is still pretty unusable
[20:54] <popey> excellent
[20:54] <rsalveti> lol
[20:54] <rickspencer3> I like that it ends in "gogogo"
[20:54] <mhall119> rickspencer3: http://pad.lv/ ?
[20:54] <ogra_> mhall119, tricky with a search
[20:54] <rickspencer3> mhall119, why would you use that when you can use http://llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogo.ch/
[20:54] <rickspencer3> ?
[20:54] <rsalveti> rickspencer3: well, at least it seems it's not more broken than before, which is already something
[20:54] <ogra_> yeah
[20:55] <ogra_> as long as the games work ..
[20:55] <popey> (and the terminal)
[20:55] <AskUbuntu> Do you could use python in ubuntu phone? | http://askubuntu.com/q/308332
[20:55] <ogra_> for moon buggy, yeah
[20:55] <popey> exactly!
[20:56] <rickspencer3> all kidding aside, there are significant issues in there
[20:56] <rickspencer3> I know the camera has not been working for a long time
[20:56] <rickspencer3> but no osk in the dash is pretty unusable
[20:56] <rickspencer3> and not being able to reconnect to a network after disconnecting
[20:58] <rickspencer3> bbiab
[20:58] <mhall119> is the osk broken again?  I thought the new platform-api stuff fixed that
[20:59] <ogra_> definitely work on maguro for searching for apps
[20:59] <ogra_> flipped image here though
[21:00] <mhall119> ogra_: I see saucy-11, does grouper work on that?
[21:00] <ogra_> supposed to, yes
[21:00] <mhall119> yay, I get to phablet-flash again
[21:00]  * mhall119 goes to find his usb cable
[21:01] <popey> ooh
[21:01]  * popey flashes
[21:02] <mhall119> ogra_: is there anything useful I could do by running the flipped containers?
[21:02] <ogra_> not on grouper, no
[21:02] <ogra_> flipped is still broken there
[21:02] <mhall119> didn't think so
[21:03] <mhall119> well, I mean the fact that I'm not a core/foundations/kernel hacker
[21:03] <ogra_> you can surely test and report bugs
[21:03] <ogra_> (once it works on grouper indeed)
[21:03] <mhall119> when it's working
[21:03] <ogra_> right
[21:03] <mhall119> cool, I'll wait for that announcement then
[21:09] <awe> mfisch, were you trying to figure out a way to send a special SMS the other day for powerd testing purposes?
[21:11] <mfisch> awe: yep
[21:12] <mfisch> awe: I'm stepping out for 5 mins, I'll read sb when I get back
[21:12] <awe> np
[21:12] <awe> I'm here for another hour or so...
[21:12] <popey> yay, nexus 7 works again
[21:13] <ogra_> well
[21:13] <ogra_> execpt for rickspencer3's list above
[21:14] <mhall119> camera has never worked, but I hope OSK isn't totally fubar'd
[21:15] <ogra_> yeah, its weird, since it works fine on the phoe
[21:15] <ogra_> *phone
[21:15] <mhall119> I'm assuming it's a driver thing
[21:15] <ogra_> shouldnt ... the toolkit notifies about the focus usuallly
[21:15] <ogra_> (to make the osk come up)
[21:16] <mhall119> oh, I meant the camera
[21:16] <ogra_> ah, yeah
[21:18] <mhall119> ogra_: oh no, it's the same bug I had before
[21:18] <mhall119> where apps would display a white screen and the OSK wouldn't come up
[21:18] <ogra_> ricmm, ^^^
[21:18] <mhall119> it was fixed in raring
[21:19] <mhall119> with an update to the android layer, platform-api, and something else (I forgot what)
[21:19] <ricmm> mhall119: there is no real reason for it to be broken in the nexus 7 and working in the others
[21:19] <mhall119> ricmm: that was the case in Raring too, IIRC
[21:19] <ogra_> ricmm, same for the OSK
[21:19] <ogra_> :)
[21:19] <ogra_> still it seems to happen
[21:20] <mhall119> I've tried telling my tablet that there's no reason for it to be broken, but it's not listening
[21:20]  * ogra_ understands the NM issue ... but definitely not the OSK one
[21:20]  * mhall119 suspects the mic isn't working either
[21:22] <popey> still getting the blinking on and off thing on the n7
[21:22] <mfisch> awe: I was trying to send a class 1/immediate SMS to the phone
[21:22] <mhall119> qtubuntu, that was the other package
[21:22] <popey> some of the apps just dont start
[21:22] <popey> like animal farm
[21:23] <ricmm> mhall119: I would have to look into it, but I dont have grouper at hand right now
[21:23] <ricmm> will have to be monday
[21:23] <awe> mfisch, OK...  I couldn't remember exactly what it was, and I was looking at the SMS core code...and just wanted to check.  There's a bunch of unsupported SMS message types, but I see code to generate signals for Immediate SMS messages
[21:24] <mfisch> awe: the test is pretty simple, assuming the API is correct then we'll get an ImmediateMessage signal and it will all work
[21:24] <mfisch> just wanted to see what happens in reality
[21:26] <mhall119> ricmm: ok, fwiw it's the exact same symptoms as before, only 1 our of ever 4 or 5 reboots gives me a working OSK and apps
[21:26] <mhall119> rickspencer3: ^^ the (somewhat) good news is that you can get it working, eventually, with enough reboots
[21:26] <awe> mfisch, ack
[21:27] <ogra_> yay,, races
[21:27] <ricmm> mhall119: and that was fixed? I dont remember pushing anything to fix it
[21:27] <ricmm> iirc it was notify-osd requesting some stuff that wasnt ready
[21:27] <ricmm> and dying in the process
[21:27] <mhall119> ricmm: it was, yes, but I don't recall what build
[21:29] <mhall119> ricmm: I think it was platform-api 0.18daily13.05.30.2ubuntu.unity.next-0ubuntu1
[21:29] <mhall119> at least, that's what I  built locally back then
[21:29] <ricmm> if you can point me to a web bzr commit that'd be better for quick feedback
[21:29] <ricmm> kind of in the middle of something else
[21:32] <Oranger> popey: Hey ! I'm sorry I wasn't available today :/
[21:33] <popey> Oranger: no worries, we can catch up next week, ping me when you're around
[21:34] <Oranger> popey: Ok, or we can just cancel the meeting of this week ?
[21:34] <mhall119> ricmm: I *think* it was http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/platform-api/trunk/revision/63
[21:34] <Oranger> popey: Because for my part I don't have a lot of news
[21:34] <mhall119> at least, I had build rev 64 while on raring to get the fix early
[21:35] <mhall119> but 64 doesn't seem important to this
[21:35] <popey> Oranger: sure, no worries
[21:35] <Oranger> popey: Ok, thank you :)
[21:35] <Oranger> popey: Have a nice week end !
[21:35] <ricmm> mhall119: right, well I dont remeber doing any explicit work towards that bug
[21:35] <mhall119> ricmm: plus I had to phablet-flash to get an android update, for those to work
[21:36] <mhall119> that's all I can remember about it
[21:36] <ricmm> I'll take a look into it on monday
[21:36] <mhall119> thanks
[21:36] <popey> Oranger: you too
[21:38] <Oranger> mhall119: Hey ! I heard the Alpha-1 date has been moved, it's true ?
[21:39] <ogra_> yes
[21:39]  * ogra_ only heard about kubuntu participating in it anyway though
[21:40] <ogra_> not sure there are other flavours doing it (and ubuntu doesnt do alphas anymore)
[21:41] <mhall119> Oranger: of the docviewer-app?
[21:41] <mhall119> or Ubuntu 13.10?
[21:41] <Oranger> mhall119: both
[21:41] <Oranger> I found it weird, that's why i'm asking you it
[21:45] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu touch core apps in 13.04 | http://askubuntu.com/q/308341
[22:02] <manoelramon> do you know which directive under /build removes java dependeces like the sdk in java.mk ?
[22:37] <rsalveti> cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/session-manager-touch/policykit-networkcontrol-hack/+merge/169291
[23:28] <slangasek> ogra_: so the new grouper kernel appears to have landed in the latest build, still fails in the container flip case but works unflipped... what's the prognosis here?