[06:57] <om26er> gm
[07:06] <Saviq> om26er, hey, you asked yesterday where can you get the latest unity8 builds (and then said this was the wrong channel :D)
[07:07] <Saviq> om26er, it's the right channel, and the latest published builds are at ppa:phablet-team
[07:07] <Saviq> om26er, and we'll move to daily builds soon-ish
[07:28] <om26er> Saviq, sorry was on a call, that ppa does not seem to have unity8 at all
[07:28] <Saviq> om26er, https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=unity8&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[07:28] <om26er> or maybe it has qml-phone-shell but the saucy version have not updated for a while
[07:29] <Saviq> om26er, but yeah, it's a week old or so, we'll be releasing today
[07:29] <Saviq> om26er, since we're releasing manually we need to remember to put a changelog entry at some point, and we haven't been great at it
[08:05] <Saviq> fginther, ping
[08:27] <nic-doffay> Saviq, could we land that sdk branch soon? Just did a final push to it after adding documentation and doing a check.
[08:27] <Saviq> nic-doffay, not my call :)
[08:28] <Saviq> nic-doffay, someone from the sdk team should re-review / approve
[10:28] <Saviq> seb128, my turn... we have, until now, used a unity and libunity branches that were bumped to version 7.80 so that we're always newer than distro
[10:28] <Saviq> seb128, and now we want to get rid of those
[10:30] <Saviq> seb128, is there something we could do in debian/control of unity8 to Conflict / Break / Depend so that upgrading unity8 would force downgrading of the other packages?
[10:30] <seb128> no
[10:30] <seb128> the package management is not made for downgrades
[10:32] <seb128> you need the distro version bumped over the version you were using or to use an epoch (add a "1:" on start of the version, which means what follows is higher that the version that didn't have the 1:)
[10:32] <seb128> but you can't really automagically fix upgrades for the users who got those versions out of doing that version/epoch bump on the packages that need to be "downgraded"
[10:35] <Mirv> seb128: yes I heard, but I actually checked later in the morning that unlike the last time, the files are actually still there
[10:36] <Mirv> so I'm not sure what's the issue
[10:36] <mhr3> Saviq, you can be heard swearing even in london :P
[10:37] <Mirv> seb128: for example, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+sourcepub/3234004/+listing-archive-extra - the files are still all there (unlike for example for 13.05.23 snapshot), but it does say "removed from disk" at the top only 5 days after the build
[10:37] <Mirv> seb128: how it looked for the 13.05.08 when those failed earlier was https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+sourcepub/3214532/+listing-archive-extra - no files at all
[10:38] <Mirv> sil2100: I e-mailed Ken, and Mathieu about the SRU (since they're listed on the task in addition), cc:ing didier, I can forward that to you too
[10:38] <Saviq> mhr3, I'll just ignore it and tell people to upgrade their image :P
[10:38] <seb128> Mirv, yes please, did you talk to infinity on #ubuntu-release?
[10:38] <Mirv> seb128: I also made a backup of the .31 releases on Wednesday to https://launchpad.net/~unity-team/+archive/sru/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=raring manually (except for bamf which should be called ubuntu1 and was already reuploaded but also rejected for some reason)
[10:39] <Mirv> seb128: in PM
[10:39] <seb128> ok
[10:39] <Mirv> but he's sleeping now
[10:39] <seb128> well, as long as it's handled
[10:39] <Saviq> seb128, so to downgrade they'd have to explicitly say which versions to use?
[10:39] <seb128> Saviq, yes, like sudo apt-get install unity=7.0.0-0ubuntu3
[10:39] <sil2100> Mirv: please, if you can, since today I'm a bit too busy, but I'd like to be up-to-date while you're gone ;)
[10:39] <seb128> or unity/saucy
[10:39] <Mirv> seb128: I can see that reuploading the 6 other packages to the queue would be in order, on Monday when Didier's back with his upload rights
[10:40] <Saviq> seb128, good enough!
[10:40] <seb128> Mirv, aren't those uploads just done by jenkins?
[10:40] <seb128> Saviq, great ;-)
[10:40] <Mirv> sil2100: forwarded
[10:41] <Mirv> seb128: yes, but we can't reupload / ask for syncs for superseded packages, and we'd again need to review all the packages for the changes 13.05.31 -> 13.06.14. no problem otherwise, but we'd have the 13.05.31 packages ready to go similar to 13.05.08 earlier
[10:41] <sil2100> Mirv: thanks!
[10:41] <seb128> Mirv, ok, that makes sense
[10:41] <Mirv> and then jenkins would do the sync request for the new reviewed packages, they'd be in queue and expire again :)
[10:42] <Mirv> so even if these rejections were done needlessly (the files are still there), we can't redo the requests anyway so they're gone
[10:43] <Mirv> for the next SRU sync request, before SRU team rejecting it, it should be looked how the files that have not expired can be fetched
[10:48] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ci failed because of  #include <UnityCore/Lens.h> ?¿
[10:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yes
[10:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, sorry, we're switching to smart scopes
[10:48] <tsdgeos> ok :-)
[10:48] <Saviq> tsdgeos, have to break some CI in the process
[10:49]  * tsdgeos ignores CI for a while and goes back to writing tests
[10:55]  * greyback getting good at using nmcli to manage his wifi
[11:05] <Cimi> Saviq, you think it makes sense to have Event as a separate component (like the calendar) I import in the menuitem?
[11:05] <Saviq> Cimi, I believe so
[11:05] <Saviq> Cimi, calendar is a separate component than an event, IMO
[11:08] <Cimi> Saviq, I was unclear
[11:08] <Cimi> Saviq, I meant, some menuitems contain all the code inside a Qml file
[11:08] <Cimi> Saviq, currently CalendarMenu and EventMenu
[11:08] <Cimi> import a separate component
[11:09] <Cimi> Calendar will be separate, wondering if Event will have to be separate as well
[11:18] <Cimi> I moved in back, less code
[11:19] <Cimi> (Event is merged in EventMenu)
[11:27] <greyback> Can someone confirm the version number of android-tools-adb package. I have 4.2.2+git20130218-3ubuntu8
[11:27] <Mirv> greyback: seems to be the same as I have
[11:28] <Mirv> on saucy, ubuntu8
[11:36] <greyback> Mirv: thanks.
[11:37] <greyback> adb is not working for me for some reason
[11:44] <Mirv> greyback: in which way? works here.
[11:44] <Mirv> greyback: what does adb devices give?
[11:44] <greyback> Mirv: a device ?????????. Let me reboot before I trouble shoot further, as my install is royally f**ked right now
[11:44] <Mirv> greyback: ???? usually means incorrect permissions
[11:45] <greyback> Mirv: bbiab
[12:18] <nic-doffay> Saviq, having issues running on device again: https://pastebin.canonical.com/92818/
[12:18] <nic-doffay> No idea why these packages can't be found.
[12:19] <Saviq> nic-doffay, we might be at fault here, we're trying to get the smart scopes going in CI and everything
[12:19] <Saviq> nic-doffay, but you should have this package already, unless you flashed recently?
[12:20] <nic-doffay> Saviq, I did flash recently.
[12:21] <Saviq> nic-doffay, you can download the packages from https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/3244988/+listing-archive-extra
[12:21] <Saviq> nic-doffay, and install manually on the device
[12:21] <Saviq> nic-doffay, https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+files/libdee-qt5-dev_3.0phablet2%7Esaucy1_armhf.deb
[12:21] <Saviq> nic-doffay, https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+files/libqtdee3_3.0phablet2%7Esaucy1_armhf.deb
[12:22] <Saviq> nic-doffay, https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+files/qtdeclarative5-dee-plugin_3.0phablet2%7Esaucy1_armhf.deb
[12:22] <nic-doffay> Saviq, ta
[12:22] <Saviq> nic-doffay, just put them on the device and "dpkg -i *deb" should be enough
[13:00] <nic-doffay> Saviq, still some other missing packages apparently.
[13:01] <Saviq> nic-doffay, full log from ./run_on_device -s please?
[13:02] <nic-doffay> Saviq, https://pastebin.canonical.com/92822/
[13:03] <Saviq> nic-doffay, dpkg -r libqtdee3
[13:03] <Saviq> nic-doffay, apt-get -f install
[13:03] <Saviq> nic-doffay, should help
[13:07] <nic-doffay> Saviq, it's just unity-core-6.0 that isn't found now.
[13:09] <Saviq> nic-doffay, sorry, you need https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+files/libunity-dev_7.80%7Ephablet3_armhf.deb and https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+files/libunity-core-6.0-dev_7.81%7Ephablet2_armhf.deb too
[13:12] <greyback> dandrader: yesterday you couldn't mumble because your sound devices were missing in saucy, right?
[13:13] <dandrader> greyback, yes, so I'm using my laptop that runs raring
[13:14] <dandrader> for mumble
[13:14] <greyback> dandrader: so you've no tips for me to fix it :) Oh well, I'll keep digging
[13:14] <dandrader> greyback, no. keep me posted. :) I think it will eventually work after some kernel update
[13:20] <seb128> mterry, hey, what's the status of https://launchpad.net/bugs/1155157 ? it's in the sponsoring queue, did you hold on upload waiting for some extra testing (from who?)?
[13:20] <fginther> Saviq, pong
[13:21] <nic-doffay> Saviq, still bust sadly.
[13:21] <tedg> sil2100, So it seems that the indicator stack didn't release...  what's the current issue?
[13:21] <Saviq> fginther, mzanetti briefed you already
[13:21] <mzanetti> sort of
[13:21] <mzanetti> fginther: but I lost track a bit myself...
[13:22] <mterry> seb128, someone else was working on uploading it, so I didn't.  /me is looking in mail for who
[13:22] <mzanetti> fginther: well, I have updated your job config so it runs. there is one "#TODO preinstall this stuff in the VM"
[13:22] <mzanetti> fginther: on the issues with unity8... I leave explanation to Saviq
[13:23] <fginther> mzanetti, ok, I was a bit baffled by the dependency issues
[13:23] <mzanetti> fginther: yeah... its a bit of a mess... it doesn't work with the phablet-team/ppa but also doesn't work without it - at least thats my current understanding
[13:23] <mzanetti> Saviq will correct me if I'm wrong :D
[13:24] <greyback> dandrader: probably yeah, but I don't have backup machine, so I'll just have to miss the standup
[13:25] <mterry> seb128, jmp was working on it
[13:25] <dandrader> greyback, you could dual boot. but that's a bit of a hassle
[13:25] <mzanetti> fginther: anyways, disregarding the issues we have with unity8, the mediumtests-runner-fginther job would work with the minimalistic VM's now
[13:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, kind of, yeah, but we should be able to enable phablet-team ppa now that I've dropped libunity and unity from it
[13:26] <dandrader> greyback, Otherwise I'm afraid we gonna miss your voice for quite some time
[13:26] <dandrader> :)
[13:27] <sil2100> tedg: eeh
[13:27] <fginther> mzanetti, so all you need installed in the VM are these : "recordmydesktop qmlscene ps-qa-tools xserver-xorg xinit x11-xserver-utils"?
[13:27] <sil2100> tedg: well, basically we can't safely release indicators without unity anyway
[13:27] <sil2100> tedg: so indicators is in daily-build, but unity still has issue, also due to hud
[13:27] <mzanetti> fginther: yep. that seems to be it... and for qmlscene only because of a workaround we need...
[13:28] <mzanetti> fginther: so I'm unsure if we should preinstall qmlscene or just install it in the workaround step
[13:28] <mzanetti> trying to save time the preinstallation would be good
[13:28] <Saviq> mzanetti, the potential remaining culprit is nux
[13:28] <tedg> sil2100, If unity fails, why can't we test indicators with the last released Unity?
[13:28] <Saviq> mzanetti, but let's make CI pass first and then we'll see if the packages work or not
[13:28] <seb128> mterry, ritz (who added the debdiff to the bug) work in jmp's team ... should I just sponsor the debdiff there?
[13:29] <mzanetti> Saviq: so I'll enable the phablet-team ppa back?
[13:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, not yet
[13:29] <fginther> mzanetti, I'll hold off a bit on updating the VMs
[13:29] <tedg> sil2100, Is this the same HUD thing with the BAMF errors?
[13:29] <ritz> seb123  which one is this ?
[13:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, let's make CI pass
[13:29] <ritz> seb128  which one is this ?
[13:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, for the new-libunity branch
[13:29] <mzanetti> fginther: yes please. I'll update you again on status in an hour or so
[13:29] <seb128> ritz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/1155157
[13:29] <ritz> aah, thanks :)
[13:30] <fginther> mzanetti, cool
[13:30] <mterry> seb128, yeah debdiff should be fine
[13:30] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[13:31] <mterry> seb128, I probably should have just uploaded a while ago, but mentally I was like "someone else is on it"
[13:31] <seb128> mterry, no worry, it's on its way to be uploaded which is what matters ;-)
[13:35] <sil2100> tedg: the same AP failures as before
[13:35] <sil2100> tedg: gedit save and app_activate_on_enter
[13:36] <sil2100> tedg: and the same thing - no HUD results for gedit it seems
[13:36] <sil2100> ;/
[13:55] <greyback> dandrader: where can I get the repo for ubuntu-qtlocation-plugin ?
[13:55] <greyback> I think I'm gonna do a clean install over the weekend. Too many things are now broken, I'm fighting more with my install than getting work done
[13:57] <nic-doffay> Saviq, still having an issue with unity-core.
[13:57] <Saviq> nic-doffay, log please?
[13:58] <dandrader> greyback, searching...
[14:01] <dandrader> greyback, https://code.launchpad.net/~rocket-scientists/aal+/ubuntu-qtlocation-plugin
[14:04] <greyback> dandrader: thank you
[14:04] <greyback> dandrader: it's private still?
[14:11] <nic-doffay> Saviq, https://pastebin.canonical.com/92835/
[14:20] <mzanetti> dandrader: hey, I just noticed (probably you know it already) that ever since we switched to the touch input stuff, scroll wheels are not working any more
[14:20] <mzanetti> dandrader: not a bit deal right now... but if its easy to enable we probably could/should
[14:21] <Saviq> nic-doffay, you didn't remove libqtdee3
[14:22] <Saviq> nic-doffay, what does "apt-get -f install" say?
[14:28] <nic-doffay> Saviq, I did.
[14:29] <nic-doffay> apt-get -f install doesn't install anything.
[14:30] <Saviq> nic-doffay, then you didn't install libunity-core-6.0-dev
[14:31] <Saviq> nic-doffay, https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa/+files/libunity-core-6.0-dev_7.81%7Ephablet2_armhf.deb
[14:32] <dandrader> mzanetti, yeah, I know
[14:41] <tedg> sil2100, I think this should help a bit, you should retry the stack when this lands: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/hud/active-window/+merge/169429
[14:42] <tedg> sil2100, I'm not sure it'll fix all the issues, but probably the gedit items.  Seems Unity changed it's startup of HUD and also a bunch of window names.
[14:43] <sil2100> tedg: excellent! Do you know why gedit was affected so much? Was it being invalidly blacklisted or something?
[14:44] <tedg> sil2100, No, HUD was getting started when the HUD dialog was up instead of before then.  So it was thinking the focused window was the HUD one, which was blacklisted.
[14:44] <tedg> sil2100, Before HUD would get started earlier, so it'd know about gedit.
[14:44] <sil2100> Ah, ok, makes sense, good catch
[14:44] <sil2100> The merger might take a while since there's a lot of merges pilled up
[14:45] <sil2100> Just hope it didn't hang up or anything...
[14:45] <tedg> K, mine is little though :-)
[15:34] <donoban> hi, I've just installed Unity on OpenSuse 12.2 and have two problems
[15:35] <donoban> first I haven't top panel and notification area, need to do ctrl+space+backspace for log out :\
[15:36] <donoban> and second I've get an error trying to set up properly two monitor config
[15:43] <donoban> any idea?
[15:43] <donoban> I don't know even how debug it
[15:45] <Saviq> fginther, ping
[15:45] <fginther> Saviq, pong
[15:55] <dandrader> Saviq, quick one. You might like it. https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity/8_directionEnum/+merge/169472
[15:56] <Saviq> dandrader, lol :D
[16:12] <sil2100> tedg: hi!
[16:13] <tedg> Howdy sil2100
[16:13] <sil2100> tedg: I re-ran the machinery for HUD and we still get those 2 gedit failures
[16:13] <tedg> sil2100, Really?
[16:13] <tedg> Hmm, that's odd.
[16:13] <sil2100> No idea what's going wrong, since the same thing is happening, but I see it's using the latest package, so the fix should be in...
[16:13] <tedg> Can you give me the link that run?
[16:14] <sil2100> http://10.97.0.1:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/113/
[16:14] <sil2100> Fresh and tasty, finished a few minutes ago ;)
[16:18] <tedg> sil2100, Can you grab ~/.cache/upstart/hud.log from that run?
[16:20] <bregma> hey all, I try to run Unity8 on my desktop and it errors immediately with a 'module "Ubuntu.Application" is not installed' error at line 18 in Shell.qml...  is there a package not in the dependency list that I need to install?
[16:25] <dandrader> bregma, did you use the "run" script?
[16:25] <bregma> no "run" script ships in the binary deb, and the one in the source tree apparently requires the build environemnt to be present
[16:26] <dandrader> bregma, check the CODING file in the root dir of unity8
[16:26] <dandrader> bregma, if you follow the steps there it will "just work"
[16:27] <dandrader> bregma, the unity8 packages are meant for the phone. won't work on the desktop AFAIK
[16:28] <sil2100> tedg: one moment
[16:29] <bregma> dandrader, I am trying to make Unity8 work on the desktop, that's the point....  so do you know where the "Ubuntu.Application" comes from?
[16:29] <dandrader> bregma, qtubuntu
[16:30] <dandrader> bregma, you might have to write a Qt Platform Plugin for the Ubuntu Desktop...
[16:30] <dandrader> so that it fetches the write icons, for instance
[16:31] <bregma> sounds like fun, thanks for the pointer
[16:31] <sil2100> tedg: this will take a few minutes
[16:31] <dandrader> bregma, btw unity8 has a fake version of Ubuntu.Application (so that you can play around with unity8 on the desktop). you might want to have a look at it
[16:32] <dandrader> in the source tree
[16:32] <tedg> sil2100, Ah, okay.  Thanks!
[16:42]  * greyback eow
[16:53] <sil2100> tedg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5765294/
[16:55] <sil2100> tedg: sorry it took so long
[17:48] <s1ck> Hi! I have a problem - my gtk applications are looking crappy - I don't think they get themed anymore. How do I fix this?
[17:57] <Mckbrother> Hello together. I have some problems with my GTK Toolkit on 13.04 I think. I've reinstalled Ubuntu yesterday and now, every application which uses GTK looks very weird (old buttons, old icons, ...). Does anybody knows a solution hot to fix this?
[17:58] <bschaefer> sil2100, hey, im not really sure about that crash you asked me to look into :(, i've not been able to reproduce it...
[18:05] <tedg> sil2100, Thanks, getting back from lunch.
[18:05] <tedg> sil2100, No issue.
[18:09] <mterry> mmrazik|afk, heyo.  Just a quick poke as a followup to that jenkins/gmail email subject bug.  I still have been getting the occasional email with the header "Re: [Merge] autolanding tests passed"
[18:52] <bregma> *huehuehue* now running Unity 8 as my default desktop on Saucy.... edge swipe is not so useful, it pops back in right away before I can touch any buttons in the launcher
[18:52] <bregma> needs work
[18:52] <bregma> :)
[18:52] <mmrazik|afk> mterry: oh...
[18:52] <mmrazik|afk> mterry: my bad
[18:52] <mmrazik|afk> let me reopen the bug
[19:06] <mmrazik|afk> fginther: if you have a sec (fixes the gmail conversations again): https://code.launchpad.net/~mrazik/jenkins-launchpad-plugin/lp1187002-take-2/+merge/169524
[19:06] <mmrazik|afk> this time I've grep-ed the source code and get_vote_subject seems to be used everywhere
[19:27] <dandrader> bregma, wow. Are you emulating touch events?
[19:28] <bregma> nope, it's a touchscreen
[19:28] <dandrader> ah, nice :)
[19:29] <fginther> mmrazik|afk, ack
[20:03] <om26er> mhall119, Yo! read what that guy have to say: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/ubuntu-touch-apps-arrive-on-ubuntu-desktop#comment-930848551
[21:59] <gotwig> mhall119, hey ho, lets go :O
[21:59] <gotwig> I have a problem when using bigger fonts with the unity applications scope, in preview mode
[22:00] <gotwig> The string for "Free Download" does get cut, in the German version
[22:00] <gotwig> now I asked to use instead of "Kostenlos Herunterladen" "Gratis Installieren", and asked the German translators to review it, but they said they are not going to apply this suggestion
[22:00] <gotwig> "Gratis Installieren" =  "Install Gratis"
[22:42] <mhall119> gotwig-afk: is there room enough for them to just make the button bigger?
[22:44] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, I dont know, does Unity support this?
[22:45] <gotwig-afk> IMHO its sounds strange, at least in German. If users are not familiar with Ubuntu, they maybe could think, downloading is just the first step, installation another. I would go for "Install for free" or something like that, as the string for the button
[22:46] <mhall119> gotwig-afk: I don't know, but it should make a reasonable attempt to display the text properly
[22:46] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, do you think "Free Download" is a good string here?
[22:47] <mhall119> gotwig-afk: I don't have an opinion, but probably they want to keep it as close to the same meaning as possible across all languages
[22:48] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, In the software center it talks about "Installing" right?
[22:48] <mhall119> for libre apps it does
[22:48] <mhall119> for closed-source I think it says "buy"
[22:49] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, I am going to report a bug report, suggesting to just use "Install", like in the software center
[22:50] <mhall119> gotwig-afk: use the bug report to say that the german translation won't fit
[22:50] <mhall119> you can offer that as a suggestion, but it would likely require changing every language's strings to the equiv of "Install"
[22:50] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, I dont know if its just my stupid mind, but I think the string "Free Download" does not fit the purpose
[22:50] <mhall119> the Unity devs might just decide to allow more button space
[22:51] <mhall119> gotwig-afk: maybe so, but it's not something we can change in just the German translation
[22:51] <gotwig-afk> I know that are two different projects, but we could use the same strings from the software center button for "install"
[22:52] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, I am not even sure the size of the button can change. they are equivalent long, the first and the second one.
[22:52] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#inbox/13f4145c136ec036
[22:52] <gotwig-afk> lol ^^ I am sorry
[22:52] <gotwig-afk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-applications/+bug/1190861
[22:54] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, do you think it makes sense to report a bug, so maybe the string can be changed from "Free Download" to just "Install"?
[22:54] <mhall119> like I said, report that the german string doesn't fit, then offer that as a possible solution
[22:55] <gotwig-afk> mhall119, you see I already reported the German string thing, yesterday
[22:56] <mhall119> I would just comment on that then that Install would make it fit