[17:10] what ever happened to the GTK+ stuff that was supposed to give us dynamic themes? [17:10] like they had a crayon theme that would hand-draw all buttons [17:11] it used random values generated for each individual control to adjust the parameters, such that each button looked like it was individually drawn--the lines weren't all identical, some were wobbly in different ways [17:12] which might be nice for Edubuntu. Other similar things might make sense in other contexts, instead of this pure sterility. Something that looks like hand-forged controls. [21:24] I've heard that Ubuntu might be discontinued after ver. 14.04. Do you believe this to be true? [21:26] as in for the desktop, which will remain important for decades to come [21:42] doubt it, and rumors should be ignored unless stated by an official canonical represesntative.